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At (the first eight minutes of) the movies with Roger Ebert

Oct 23, 2008, 07:35 AM | by Gary Susman

Categories: Film

Truloved_l People always tell me what a great job I have when they learn that I'm a movie critic, and I reply that, yes, it is a fun job, but unlike ordinary moviegoers, I can never walk out of a film that's sucking. But that's what Roger Ebert did, in effect, when he reviewed the indie film Tru Loved last week after watching just eight minutes of it. At least he acknowledged in the review that he was judging the film based on only the first eight minutes, but not until the end of the review. Later, he explained his decision on his blog (the piece read better that way, he said -- in other words, he didn't feel like he had to watch the whole movie to judge it, but you and I have to read his whole review to find that out). Now, however, he has reconsidered, apologized on his blog, and watched the movie in full and reviewed it (you can read both the original review and the new review here).

I think what Ebert did the first time is unprofessional, and he now seems to acknowledge that his first review did both the readers and the filmmakers a disservice. For one thing, his review of the partial movie contained an error about one of the actors that he would not have made had he seen the whole film initially. Also, he notes that it's a miracle when any movie comes together and makes it into the marketplace, and the least he can do is give it the respect of seeing it all the way through before rendering judgment. Ebert suggests now that the movie deserves extra consideration even beyond that because it's an independent film, and he's always been an indie champion. Indeed he has, but if he gives extra weight to subpar movies, he does no favors either for the indie film movement or for moviegoers trying to decide which films to spend money on. His job isn't to advocate for indie movies (or against big-budget studio movies) but to advocate for good work.

Still, Ebert didn't really change his opinion of the film after seeing the whole movie. One could argue that his opinion was tainted by the whole controversy that had arisen around the incident, though I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, since his review of the full film explains in rational and dispassionate terms why the movie doesn't work (it's basically agitprop meant to combat teen homophobia, he says, well-intentioned but full of cardboard characters and dramatically inert), while allowing that there are some audiences who might appreciate it anyway (teens starved for positive, gay-friendly role models). Maybe the makers of Tru Loved should have considered themselves lucky the first time, when the uproar over Ebert's stunt gave their movie extra publicity, before he tore the movie apart scene by scene.

One point Ebert doesn't address in his apology is that he's, well, Roger Ebert. No other movie critic in America could have pulled off such a stunt without getting fired. I fear that, even though he corrected his mistake, he's still set a bad example. At a time when film critics all over America are losing their jobs, it can't be good for readers, editors, or filmmakers to think that what he did passes for professional, acceptable behavior among film critics and the outlets that publish their work, even for a moment.

More on film critics under siege:
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The war on film critics


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Mack Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 07:50 PM EST

Sorry douglas I don't get her point either. Also, you shouldn't say things like "those apologists of him are equally as annoying" and then proceed to apologize in the next paragraph. Not smart. It also looks like you lurk around here carrying on conversations and interacting over the computer because you can't do those things outside your mom's house.

douglas Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:12 PM EST

you don't understand her novel because you are a moron. I this from your one post. sorry, I'm just following your logic, since apparently when can critique a piece of art while consuming only a smidge.

douglas Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:07 PM EST

bi-guy: I hope a doctor walks out on you during a critical surgery 1/20th the way into it!

bi-guy Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 03:09 PM EST

Jen80...I dont understand your novel.

Jen80 Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 07:03 AM EST

Seriously, though: Let's say you work in an office and go to a regular meeting. You know that 8 out of every 10 of your office meetings SUCK. So you go, sit at the big old conference table for about 10 minutes, then walk out, because you've been through this a million times before, then carry on the rest of your workday tasks based on the first 10 minutes of your meeting. Does this make sense to anyone? Everyone on here making the comment "Go Ebert! I walk outta movies all the time!" are COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that IT'S. HIS. JOB. Let him walk out of movies he sees in his free time all he wants. But what he did is no better than that guy who reviewed the Black Crowes album for Maxim without having heard the whole thing. Yeah--pick a random song off any album and base your entire opinion on the whole album just on that one song. How far is that gonna get ya, huh?

Jen80 Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:58 AM EST

I want to see a movie made out of the t3hdow/Eric Friedmann showdown.

Amy Araya Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:48 AM EST

"No other movie critic in America could have pulled off such a stunt without getting fired."

I guess you missed the Joel Siegel "Clerks 2" controversy. He wasn't fired.

Spackler Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:06 PM EST

So what. My wife and I leave movies earlier than this all the time. We just go down the hall to another movie. This rag could use a critic of his caliber. I would go by his hunch after 8 minutes than Owen's or Lisa's after 120 minutes.

douglas Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 06:49 PM EST

Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say "re-evaluate, not end!" I don't wish suicide on even my worst enemy =)

douglas Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 06:43 PM EST

It's obvious that the people complaining about this new "Ebert scandal" are people who are haters to begin with and those apologists of him are equally as annoying...telling people they should "end their life now..."? Excuse me? You end your life you propogandistic freak.
Furthermore, I own all fo Ebert's books and think he's a terrific critic, but anybody who knows his temperment knows that this act was not out of character for him. He totally is, and always will be, the "Michael Moore" of film criticism. His movie reviews always ooze leftist, but that's Ebert for ya. That's why some of us like him, because he reinforces our own ideologies....just ADMIT it already. GEEKS!

Lamby Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM EST

I can't help but think there's an ulterior motive behind this article considering the horrible reviews by Lisa and Owen on this site. Politics at play here? Was this nothing but a mask to vent at a pulitzer prize winning critic knowing Roger's review of an 8 minute viewing is vastly superior to EW's critic's reviews of a full 2 hour movie?

James Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 04:14 PM EST

This is sickening. I read this article and I immediatly smell jealousy from Gary Susman. What do you honestly think will change by calling out Ebert? Did you not get a job you wanted while you idly sat wand watched Roger, someone you'd like to be, professionally, and then decide to tear down his right to call off a movie 8 minutes into it to belittle the man who has ahd greater success than you?

Stop whining.

Real Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 02:48 PM EST

Funny EW would comment on this since I've read many of their movie reviews that seem more like trailer reviews. Check out Owen Gliberman's review of Femme Fatale and you'll see what I mean.

Auntiemm Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:59 PM EST

At least Ebert came out and said I made up my mind and walked out after 8 minutes....... I have to wonder how many more critics never admit to walking out or dismiss the rest of the film without admitting it in print.

t3hdow Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:53 PM EST

Oh Eric Friedmann. On the contrary, I almost feel sorry for you. I mean, you are, I'm guessing for your penchant for '70s films/culture, probably in your late thirties, if not forties. You have a wife and kid. You're probably have a halfway decent job; a hot commodity with the currently dwindling economy. If the highlight of your day is to piss off a twenty something college student with more immaturite insults that the person you're accusing of acting immature - on a website full of editors you forever spite - you seriously need to re-evaluate your life. You're the kind of person who buys into the BS that older age automatically equals maturity, yet you constantly prove otherwise...with all the harping on about loving drunk sluts and labeling people whose opinions don't match your own as moronic, bestiality lovers. Eric, really...really. If this is the quintessential paradigm of what it means to grow up, maturity is clearly, clearly overrated.

Bill Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:36 PM EST

Piffle. Roger Ebert has sat through countless bad films to their bitter ends. If he couldn't make it through more than 8 minutes of this one, then it must be incredibly bad.

If anything, he likely put too much effort into the review. He should have simply written "I walked out", which would have spoken volumes about the quality of the film.

I've read plenty of "reviews" by others that were barely more than a recitation of the plot (which was probably cribbed from a press release) topped off with a grade. For Ebert to admit he walked out is 100 times more honest and professional, and frankly, informative.

How many Lisa Schwarzbaum reviews have we suffered that said practically nothing about a movie, but imparted way more than we needed to know about her personally? EW should be so lucky to have reviewers like Ebert.

Jack Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:06 PM EST

Ebert's about-face on Vincent Gallo's "The Brown Bunny" is proof enough to take him at his word regarding this review. What he did initially, was honest. His actions after this incident were the same. What more do we want out of a human being?

Mike Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:51 PM EST

Who Cares. He is a legend as far a film critics goes and has done more movies than most in the industry. He made a mistake and apologized. Lets move on.

katy Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM EST

I applaud Ebert for deciding that his time was more valuable than to sit through a horrible film. But the idea of publishing a review for something he didn't watch is extraordinarily disappointing--especially coming from him. Shame on you, Ebert!

Jack Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:08 PM EST

"I think what Ebert did the first time is unprofessional"

I beg to differ... this is only film.. which I love more thann anything but some critics walk out of films and they have stated so... Ebert is honest about what he did... and he is not biased when it comes to his reviews. Furthermore Ebert can do what he likes with his reviews they are a joy to read no matter if the film is good or bad and he always backs up his choices.

So let's not make an issue out of this. he didn't shoot someone on the street he decided the film wasn't worth his time.

Eric Friedmann Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:32 AM EST

t3hdow - you know, I can almost picture the sad, hurt and pathetic look on your face as you're typing away your reply to me. It's amazing (and quite joyous, to be honest) how I can get such a rise out of people like you.

Therefore, I dedicate these next three words to you, just to deliberately upset you:

TORTURE PORN HORROR!!!

Enjoy!

Gilbert Grape Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:10 AM EST

Critics are generally idiots anyway. It's a worthless job done by people who wish they could make movies themselves. As a PAYING movie watcher, I like to form my own opinions and decide for myself what warrants my money.

jason Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:59 AM EST

it's not that big of a deal... it was a good review. I was a little shocked by the admission at the end... however what surprised me more is that he cold have found so much to criticize in such a short period of time. I don't see why so many are in such an uproar about it. and, are movie critics really losing their jobs? and is that supposed to be a concern to us, considering the state of the world?

fbellamy Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:55 AM EST

This explains his lousy review of Napoleon Dynamite - he didn't see the end!

OH BOY Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:54 AM EST

Umm... he didn't hide the fact that he walked out. It was actually in the article. Fine, you felt cheated to only discover that at the end, but again, it was on the page. Sure, he shouldn't have done that, but lets not beat a dead horse back to life. He apologized, and did the job properly (for a shitty movie, no less)... lets all move on. Lets do it... ready? Anddddddddddddddddddd step! GOOD!!

Katel Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:54 AM EST

I love Ebert and now the film maker of this film got a lot of publicity. He should thank Ebert.

MsDaisy Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:50 AM EST

Gee, I usually give a movie at least 15 minutes before I decide if it's crap or not. But then no one is paying me for my opinion.

Rob Grizzly Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:21 AM EST

I'm with Gary. What Ebert did was unprofessional. Just because he's Roger Ebert doesn't make it okay to not do your job properly. Especially if it is a job you are considered the best in the world at. But at least he apologized and remedied the situation.

No big deal, right? Especially considering he gave thumbs up to Garfield and thumbs down to Gladiator (which went on to win Best Picture of the Year)

I'm still bitter about that.

t3hdow Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:43 AM EST

Molesting farm animals Eric F.? Really? Isn't that comment a little crude for your mature, inquisitive mind? And really, the swearing after criticizing someone else for using the word 'sucky'? A bit low key for a reformed moviegoer like yourself? How about you quietly go back to work and I'll continue working towards graduate school, so I can get a real job, m'kay?
And Gre, I'm willing to let Ebert slide, because he is a great critic and he does watch many terrible films, but we should still call him out on his lapse of judgment. Most other critics wouldn't have the get out of jail free card if they pulled a similar stunt. The rottentomatoes.com fanboys, along with other moviegoers, would eviscerate anyone else.

Gre Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:33 AM EST

What Roger Ebert did was odd, but you also have to consider that this is a man who has spent a HUGE percentage of his life (not to mention the last half century) sitting in a dark room watching hours of tripe. I think he's allowed to have a bad day, don't you? Props to him for seeing the error in his ways.

Eric Friedmann Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:09 AM EST

t3hdow, I thought I told you a long time ago that you should be somewhere molesting farm animals!

If that's too difficult for you, then try a getting a real f*cking job!

I can just see it now:

"So what do you do for a living?"
"Oh, I write web blogs for EW magazine...hey, wait a second, where are you going? Come back! What did I say??"

Nick Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:09 AM EST

I found the 8-minute review piece utterly fascinating. Yes, there was one error regarding casting, which he got from imdb--but everything else was based entirely upon the ineptitude of the actors and filmmakers... unnatural line readings, stereotyped characters, story cliches. He had enough material from the first 8 minutes for a full review. The second review focussed more on the story, and why it only serves to preach to the choir. In both circumstances, RE has been honest and forthright about his reviews, even if he felt the first review read better in putting the disclaimer at the bottom.

Me, I think he should have put forth a one-star review with an asterisk next to it. That would have been funny to look at.

t3hdow Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:58 AM EST

And Eric Friedmann, I don't even know why your cranky behind is still here with all the complaints you have towards this mag (life too dull?), but in the middle of all your vitriol, you should at least do a bit of research on who actually reviewed Blade Runner. It wasn't Marc Bernandin (who made the 'misfire' comment). Both Owen Gleiberman and Dalton Ross reviewed it too (the former during its theatrical and later with the director's cut; the latter with the recent Blade Runner DVD set) and gave it nothing less than an A or A-. This also reveals the biggest flaw with EW readers: some of them fail to realize the mag's voice is anything but unified between the multiple editors, contributors and writers, and it often leads to confusion. This is why it's better to judge the reveiwer and not the entire magazine with individual opinions. Otherwise, it would be easy to think EW's a Blade Runner hating mag off one editor's remarks when EW's mostly supported the film since it's release.

movcritic Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:57 AM EST

Oh, you're right, Eric -- forgive me for using colloquial language in the virtual anonymity of the blogosphere. I should have chosen "subpar" instead of "sucky."

Rich Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:50 AM EST

By the way, Ebert has now completely jumped the shark. Whether it is because of his recent near-death experience, he is devoting far more of his time to political writing, and doing rather poorly at it. His movie reviews are almost an afterthought and you can guess with nearly 100% accuracy how his review is going to come out by looking at the movie's political viewpoint. The world ends not with a bang, but with a whimper.

t3hdow Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:49 AM EST

I can't count how many times people read EW reviews and angrily claim the reviewers didn't watch the film. So when Roger Ebert, respectable critic he may be, actually admits it, we should allow it to slide? I think not. It's exactly the same thing Lisa Schwartzbaum did when she signed off recent 'torture porn' horror (a label I personally spite) without actually watching at least one or two of them. Sure, moviegoers can have the privilege without being scrutinized, but when you're a critic, you don't have that luxury. They need to watch through the entire film to give it a fair analysis.
I'm glad Ebert realized his mistake, but still disheartened he did it in the first place. When you're one of the few critics people take seriously without overblown accusations of pretentiousness, why would you risk deluding your credibility?

Rich Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:44 AM EST

It makes a fun party game, though. Classic Movies Roger Ebert Reviewed after Seeing Only 8 Minutes: Psycho- Standard melodrama about a young couple embezzling money to elope. No surprises.
Planet of the Apes- Bizarre sci-fi film about astronauts crash-landing in the desert. No apes to be found.

Eric Friedmann Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:19 AM EST

People who actually want to call themselves "critics" should probably not use the word "sucky".

Eric Friedmann Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:17 AM EST

Was it Gary Susman who called BLADE RUNNER a "sci-fi misfire" some time ago? Man, I still want his head for that one! Like you said, Eric; nothing more than a glorified movie buff and blogger!

movcritic Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:09 AM EST

Mark: I'm sure you can sit through the first 8 minutes of something and know it's not for you. So can I, but that's not the point. The point is, as a critic, he needs to see the entire film before he reviews it -- that's his job (mine too, incidentally, and I have never reviewed a film I didn't see in its entirety). As a private citizen, sure, make snap judgments all you want (and I do that in my private life). But when it comes to passing judgment in a public forum where readers rely on your expertise, it is absolutely a critic's obligation to do the job, no matter how sucky the movie may be.

Eric Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:07 AM EST

I kind of agree, but the way Ebert has handled it seems more than adequate. Ebert has never been a cynical reviewer, and has always treated the industry with much more respect than most.

And the reason why he didn't get fired is not just "because he's Ebert," but because Ebert's better than most reviewers out there. When most film/television critics are nothing more than glorified film buffs and bloggers, you don't fire one who can actually write about films well.

Eric Friedmann Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:06 AM EST

Gary, I think you're in no place whatsoever to even begin to compare yourself to Roger Ebert and the legacy he has created. As far as I'm concerned, in the world of movie critics and their fame, he's Ingmar Bergman, while you're a mere Michael Bay!

mark Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 07:11 AM EST

I disagree. I don't think there's anything wrong with what he did. I can sit through the first 8 minutes, for instance, of high school musical, and know that I don't need to watch the rest to know my feelings towards it. Plus, I still respect roger ebert and don't think he was unprofessional at all.


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