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A decade later, does 'Seinfeld' still satisfy?

May 7, 2008, 05:53 PM | by Gary Susman

Categories: Television, Who Else Remembers This?

11437__seinfeld_l Hard to believe that it's already been 10 years, to the month, since Seinfeld went off the air and into the land of eternal syndication. Newsweek marks the occasion with a debate on whether the show still holds up. It's not much of a debate, really, as even the writer taking the anti- side concedes the show's verbal dexterity, the must-see-ness of its best episodes, and its comforting familiarity.

That's right, "comforting familiarity," a phrase we probably never would have associated with Seinfeld during the supremely cynical sitcom's run. After all, before Seinfeld, most sitcoms were designed to reassure viewers with messages about how life is ultimately fair and how you can always depend on friends and family for support. (Indeed, many still are.) Seinfeld, whose characters famously refused to grow or learn, had none of that, yet it remains reassuring nonetheless. It's reassuring, for instance, to be reminded that other people are just as petty as you (or even more so), that they share your frustration with arbitrary social codes, your annoyance with the irritants of everyday life, and your sense that life is, in fact, ultimately not fair.

And there's also, by now, the reassurance of nostalgia. Life really did seem simpler in the Seinfeld '90s -- the economy was good, New York wasn't on perpetual Orange Alert, and characters felt free to be as insular and self-absorbed as they wanted, without being concerned with the world beyond the coffee shop. Today, sitcoms from Larry David's follow-up Curb Your Enthusiasm to Two and a Half Men take a certain bitter, crass, Darwinian selfishness as a given, without much indication that they're being ironic or satirical about it. Compared to these shows, Seinfeld feels like Leave It to Beaver. This is not a knock on the newer shows, only an acknowledgment that the exploits of Jerry, Elaine, George, and Kramer (clockwise, from right) feel like warm family picnics next to the free-fire zones of some of today's sitcoms.

What say you, PopWatchers? Is Seinfeld still the master of its domain, or is it as stale as an old marble rye? Do you like it more or less now than you did during its run?


Joe C Sat, May 10, 2008 at 05:06 PM EST

Definitely one of my fave comedies of all time, but I don't think Larry David gets enough credit. When he left the show, the writing fell off a cliff. I still say my fave two episodes were the ones when the gang couldn't find Kramer's car in the parking lot, and the one when they coudn't get the table at the Oriental restaurant(the whole episode took place there!)

J Sat, May 10, 2008 at 04:28 PM EST

My favorite show of all time! Does it stand up? Yes. We just referenced an episode this week at work.

nyagnes Fri, May 9, 2008 at 02:07 PM EST

In response to dc's remarks Granted the acting ability of Jerry left a lot to be desired and will probably never be in a oscar nominated film as Harrelson did in his 5 minute appearance. Bu that was part of the charm. This was a perfect comedy in my opinion. Comedies make you laugh , forget your troubles this did just that. They didn't take themselves seriously. Some so called comedies try to instill a message in them. I think they call them dromedies. What stupidity. Does Seinfeld Still hold up ten years later? You bet it does!

nyagnes Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM EST

In response to dc's remarks Granted the acting ability of Jerry left a lot to be desired and will probably never be in a oscar nominated film as Harrelson did in his 5 minute appearance. Bu that was part of the charm. This was a perfect comedy in my opinion. Comedies make you laugh , forget your troubles this did just that. They didn't take themselves seriously. Some so called comedies try to instill a message in them. I think they call them dromedies. What stupidity. Does Seinfeld Still hold up ten years later? You bet it does!

nyagnes Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM EST

In response to dc's remarks Granted the acting ability of Jerry left a lot to be desired and will probably never be in a oscar nominated film as Harrelson did in his 5 minute appearance. Bu that was part of the charm. This was a perfect comedy in my opinion. Comedies make you laugh , forget your troubles this did just that. They didn't take themselves seriously. Some so called comedies try to instill a message in them. I think they call them dromedies. What stupidity. Does Seinfled Still hold up ten years later? You bet it does!

DC Fri, May 9, 2008 at 08:27 AM EST

Seinfeldian,Tony Danza if I recall had a lame talk show until like 2 years ago.
Half the cast of Seinfeld is now just
are completely off the map of the entertainment world. And Danny Devito ?? Gone pretty far for some one
who is only 5 feet tall.

t3hdow Thu, May 8, 2008 at 06:19 PM EST

I didn't appreciate the show much when it originally aired, since I didn't really get the petty undertones behind the characters until recent years, but it's still much better than most sitcoms. I can understand if some people find the core foursome deplorable, but without them, the show loses much of its charm.
Also, to Nunya: I felt the same way about Kramer, post-Richards's racist tirade in 2006 (btw, I'm a black male). I did feel kind of weird seeing him on screen days after watching the incident, but once it dropped off the media's spotlight months later, the discomfort vanished with it. Besides, if anyone thinks lowly of me for enjoying Seinfeld after that, I give them a couple facts:
1) Richards, like Dreyfus, Alexander and every other supporting actor on the show, got screwed with royalty fees for Seinfeld reruns (Larry David and Seinfeld himself are the only ones who profited)
2) Richards's career never took off post-Seinfeld anyway, so it wasn't a big deal in the long run.

Coyote Thu, May 8, 2008 at 04:03 PM EST

So far today: "Seltzer!" "Salsa!" and "These pretzels are making me thirsty." But I also pulled a "That's What She Said."

Yeah, they weren't the nicest people, but they were enjoyable. Larry David's "Curb Your Enthusiasm" took it to the next level, which I find a little uncomfortable. Same with the British "The Office."

To Faye Thu, May 8, 2008 at 03:59 PM EST

Serenity Now, Insanity Later!

To Faye Thu, May 8, 2008 at 03:59 PM EST

Serenity Now, Insanity Later!

Frank in Long Beach Thu, May 8, 2008 at 03:21 PM EST

Mulva. Serenity now. Manhands. The Bubble Boy. BEST SHOW EVER.

AnoAno Thu, May 8, 2008 at 02:36 PM EST

Still love it, my hubby and I quote it all the time, watch reruns all the time (the only show we do). For all of you that don't like Senfeild, well...no soup for you!

Faye Thu, May 8, 2008 at 02:22 PM EST

To this day, I still eat muffin tops on Festivus. SERENITY NOW! (Sanity later)

Faye Thu, May 8, 2008 at 02:22 PM EST

To this day, I still eat muffin tops on Festivus. SERENITY NOW! (Sanity later)

Adam Thu, May 8, 2008 at 01:01 PM EST

He took it out. He took IT out.

Martha Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:56 AM EST

Wait, NineDaves, what about someone who loves "The Office" and "Arrested Development" but is not and never was into "Seinfeld"? While the show had its funny moments, I just never could get into watching it regularly because everyone was such a jerk. Of course, just about everyone on "AD" was a jerk, too, so who knows why I adored that show?!?

Adam Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM EST

seinfeld is hands down the best comedy on tv ever. i would say cheers would be up there too, but it had too many "soap opera" moments. just like the office. seinfeld was strictly a comedy without the fluff.

m@ Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM EST

Great post! I have to say though that 30 Rock, Arrested Development, and The Office took up where Seinfeld left off. There are so many episodes that are still referenced today (Soup Nazi)... but I never really liked Jerry. For me, Elaine and Kramer were the stars of the show.

Bruce in NC Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:36 AM EST

As Jeremy Piven's character in Grosse Pointe Blank said:

*Honk!* Ten years! Ten...yeaaaars, man!

Whew, time flies.

Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM EST

NineDaves, totally agree with your classification system (tho I do like Raymond and consider myself a huge Seinfeld fan). Seinfeld easily holds up, and the shows we love today like The Office and 30 Rock and Arrested Development would not exist without it. Seinfeld still takes the cake, tho, even when compared with some of the great sitcoms of today. The cast was talented (even Jerry had a certian presence), the writing sharp and completley removed from anything that had been on TV previously (no revelations or meaningful encounters or family drivel). I was 7 when the show ended in 1998 yet have seen virtually ever episode in syndication, and it feels as timely as ever.

Winona Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM EST

I LOVED Seinfeld in its initial NBC run, and I think now that I'm getting older, I appreciate its humor much more. How they could cram so much good material into one 22-minute episode is amazing. My husband and I quote it often, and catch it in reruns when we can - I even bought him a "Vandelay Industries" t-shirt for our wedding anniversary. Yep.

GC Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:50 AM EST

Loved "Arrested Development" and "30 Rock" thing on TV right now, but "Seinfeld" was and is supreme. I have to disagree with the people who say it seems tame when compared to newer shows. Without Seinfeld, those shows wouldn't exist. And as much as I loved AD, those who think it was more daring than Seinfeld are mistaken. Even its creator Mitchell Hurwitz said it was a standard family sitcom (with a message at the end of every episode!), just told in an unconventional way. Seinfeld completely broke the rules of sitcom TV.

Seinfeldian Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:45 AM EST

Yeah DC, "Taxi" was so much better than "Seinfeld", because of the searing talents of Tony Danza, Marilu Henner, and celebwreck Jeff Conaway!

Seinfeldian Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:45 AM EST

Yeah DC, "Taxi" was so much better than "Seinfeld", because of the searing talents of Tony Danza, Marilu Henner, and celebwreck Jeff Conaway!

Heather A. Thu, May 8, 2008 at 09:43 AM EST

Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is one magic loogie.

Ames Thu, May 8, 2008 at 09:34 AM EST

I think the early seasons were brilliant. The last 2-3 (when the show became really popular) were too dark. Early on it was about everyday people dealing with everyday situations. Then it was about awful people creating their own ridiculous situations. A very funny show, but unlike some other classics, very inconsistent over the years.

Stef Thu, May 8, 2008 at 09:26 AM EST

One of the funniest things I think I'll ever hear in my life is "You mean the panties your mother laid out for you?"

Liddy Thu, May 8, 2008 at 09:23 AM EST

Seinfeld is still hysterical. My husband, my parents, my brothers and sisters all still quote it. And we always watch the Festivus episode at Christmas and the #1 dad episode at Fathers Day. Yes, we are all nerds.

NineDaves Thu, May 8, 2008 at 09:21 AM EST

there are just two kinds of people out there: "people who like seinfeld" and "people who don't like seinfeld." the "people who like seinfeld" tend to also like 30 rock, the office, scrubs, how i met your mother, arrested development, etc. the "people who don't like seinfeld" were really into everybody loves raymond, the kind of queens, two and a half men, and according to jim.

DC Thu, May 8, 2008 at 08:57 AM EST

Lets look at the facts, when Woody Harrelson is still making movies(I think in fact he was in
the movie that won the best picture Oscar) It shows the fact that the Seinfeld group
was really just lucky with the writing which connected with a some people(I can't see if you lived outside
NYC, you would find this show funny). "Taxi" & "Cheers" both had casts with alot more talent.

Jerry wouldn't even be in my top 20 stand up.

Fred Garvin Thu, May 8, 2008 at 08:21 AM EST

Have to agree with Jelana's above post--I still make, and hear, Seinfeld catchphrases ALL THE TIME. (That's "ALL THE TIME" as in when Elaine faked it.) Ten years? That's nothing. We'll still be watching it in 20 years. But I have to say that I enjoy the show more on DVD because you get to see the material that is cut out in the syndicated episodes.

Lisa Thu, May 8, 2008 at 08:13 AM EST

I used to love it, but now I loathe Jerry Seinfeld and Michael Richards so much, I won't watch it anymore.

Dtom Thu, May 8, 2008 at 07:58 AM EST

I was, and still am, a huge Seinfeld fan. In college when it was still airing, we couldn't go out on Thursdays until 9:30, because we had to watch Seinfeld. I will still watch it any time it's on.
To Al Fredo - I agree with you on everything, including Jerry's terrible acting skills, but they really played that up and made it a part of the show. To me, one of the funniest things about the show is how bad an actor Jerry Seinfeld was (and still is).

Joe Thu, May 8, 2008 at 07:51 AM EST

MsDaisy, the jerk store called, they are running out of you

MrKitty Thu, May 8, 2008 at 07:51 AM EST

Was a rabid fan early on. Then the mean/petty side of the gang came to the surface - it was always there, I just began to see it and lost interest in these nasty characters. Granted, some of the shows were classic, but on the whole - who would want to spend time with them if they lived on YOUR block? I bet not many, you would always have to watch your back, or wallet.

Eric Friedmann Thu, May 8, 2008 at 07:50 AM EST

Like any other successful TV series of the past, SEINFELD reruns are just a familiar option when there's nothing else to watch (and there usually isn't!).

Ryan Thu, May 8, 2008 at 07:49 AM EST

Loved it then, love it more now. The only thing lacking a little is the laugh track. Now that I'm used to the single camera style of The Office, 30 Rock and the shows on HBO, I find the canned laughs kind of intrusive. Uh, thanks, but I know when to laugh.

MsDaisy Thu, May 8, 2008 at 07:21 AM EST

Hated it then, hate it even more now. I can't stand Jerry Seinfeld's whiny routine...I just don't think he is funny at all.

Rinda Thu, May 8, 2008 at 07:13 AM EST

Put me in the "it's overrated" camp. I didn't like it during it's run and I haven't liked the syndicated eps I've seen. I guess I just don't get it either.

Karen Kirk Thu, May 8, 2008 at 05:34 AM EST

Seinfeld will always be Seinfeld, still watch and enjoy, always will! I never get tired of the re-runs, some I love more than others!

meg Thu, May 8, 2008 at 03:04 AM EST

you know what really annoys me? those stupid questions at the end of every ew popwatch blog post. "what say you, popwatchers?" give me a break. oh, and airline peanuts. what's the deal with that.

meg Thu, May 8, 2008 at 03:03 AM EST

you know what really annoys me? those stupid questions at the end of every ew popwatch blog post. "what say you, popwatchers?" give me a break. oh, and airline peanuts. what's the deal with that.

art vandelay Thu, May 8, 2008 at 02:05 AM EST

it's still great. especially the episode with the merv griffin set. i hate sidlers! and of course - elaine dancing! (sweet fancy moses!)

Nix Thu, May 8, 2008 at 01:53 AM EST

I have a beef with this show: not how it showed how mean and petty people can be, and how funny they are being so, but that it seemed to give a lot of people -- and certainly, as Susman notes, a lot of sitcom writers -- permission to simply remain mean and petty. Is a satire effective when the behavior it satirizes becomes unironically embraced? However, it certainly is funny when one is stoned.

Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:58 AM EST

It is definately still the master of ot's domain...yada yada yada...

Rosemary Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:46 PM EST

I watch it almost every night instead of the local "news." Still crack up. Still use quotes with my friends. It's like it never really went away...

nunya Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:44 PM EST

i agree with dave. (sorry, i love seinfeld so much i have to write multiple posts, plus i'm avoiding work). i think of seinfeld so many times in real life. i hate close-talkers, i hate having to perform certain social cordialities, such as the kiss hello, or shaking hands, i hate low-talkers, etc..

to Nicole from Nunya Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:37 PM EST

it's interesting, i'm a black female and yet i still love kramer. the character is so brilliant and so likable that i am able to separate the character from the actor. man i love kramer's schemes; the bottle deposit trip with newman, the coffee table book, the lawsuit against hot cafe latte, so many....

Dave Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:37 PM EST

Gosh, how many times a week do I think of a "Seinfeld" situation? Whenever I buy a Twix from a candy machine, when I get my people on "call waiting" mixed up, when I wait more than a few minutes to be seated at a restaurant, when I spot a doughnut (or similar tasty treat) in a trashcan, when I wonder if a woman's boobs are real, when someone says they never watch a particular TV show but somehow know everything about it...etc. (Or should I say "yada, yada,yada.") Thank you, Jerry. Thank you, Larry David. And thanks to all who wrote, directed, starred or guested.

Nicole Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:00 PM EST

While I was, and still am, a big fan of the show in general, I have to say that the joy I got from it is, perhaps irrationally, tainted since the Michael Richards video at the comedy club went public. Every time he appears on screen, I flash back mentally to those frightening and repulsive images from his tirade. I don't even necessarily avoid it due to some kind of social stance (why avoid a show I love that many people contributed to, on the basis of one person?) - it is simply that I become uncomfortable when I see him. I can't find him funny anymore. It's really unfortunate, but it's a fact.

MD Wed, May 7, 2008 at 09:50 PM EST

Master of his domain always -timeless!!!

42man Wed, May 7, 2008 at 09:43 PM EST

Although Seinfeld is no longer my one and only FAVOURITE show as it once was, it is certainly in my top 3, with Arrested Development and South Park. The similarity between these three shows is that they all poke fun at the ridiculousness of society and show us for what we truly are: flawed. I must admit, Seinfeld is most certainly tame compared to the other two, but it certainly holds up as a true classic in television.

Chandra Wed, May 7, 2008 at 08:58 PM EST

I am in the 'it is overrated' camp. I never cared for the show. I never felt it had exceptional verbal dexterity...I just think it was unique so people assumed it must have been good.

Silv Wed, May 7, 2008 at 08:43 PM EST

I found I was done with Seinfeld the day after it ended. Haven't watched an episode since - especially noteworthy as Chicago's Fox station must have a deal to run the reruns into perpetuity.

Al Fredo Wed, May 7, 2008 at 08:31 PM EST

Dan is right; the prominence of Seinfeld reruns is way higher than those other sitcoms. No doubt Seinfeld holds up; it is a true classic. And not simply because of its catchphrases that entered the mainstream lexicon. The plot structures, zaniness of storylines, phenomenal acting (well, beside Jerry himself) - all top notch. Althought to nunya's point, since I am a major Office fan I think that show may surpass even Seinfeld.

Anna Wed, May 7, 2008 at 08:25 PM EST

I still watch and enjoy episodes of Seinfeld on a regular basis. But part of the draw of the show when it was airing was the idea that the situations could occur to anyone. But with technology, a lot of the episodes have become obsolete. So the enjoyment of the show has changed to more of a nostalga.

tarheel Wed, May 7, 2008 at 07:48 PM EST

hellooooooooooooo! of course it's still funny!

actingup Wed, May 7, 2008 at 07:37 PM EST

I am the biggest Seinfeld fan EVER. I use so many Seinfeld quotes - I drive my friends and family crazy. I am watching an episode right now. I feel it does still stand up - it still makes me laugh. Seinfeld, Frasier, Friends - are all still hilarious. There are so few shows now that make me laugh - and only one is a "traditional" sitcom ("New Adventures of Old Christine").

dc Wed, May 7, 2008 at 07:03 PM EST

by far the most overrated tv ever!

Nik Wed, May 7, 2008 at 06:49 PM EST

My fiance and I love Seinfeld, we watch it almost every night. And we're both only 20 years old. We prefer to watch it over a lot of the new tv/reality shows that are on nowadays.

daryl Wed, May 7, 2008 at 06:21 PM EST

Never a big Seinfield fan. I will say though that "The Contest" has got to be one of the best sitcom episodes ever written for television. I still burst out laughing when Kramer slams his money on the counter.

Snarf Wed, May 7, 2008 at 05:46 PM EST

Never really "got" it. (Although it had it's moments)

To to Dan Daoust, from Dan Daoust Wed, May 7, 2008 at 05:43 PM EST

Those are niche channels specifically devoted to airing shows from the past. You can watch The Joker's Wild on the Game Show network if you're so inclined. My point is that 10 years after Seinfeld ended, you can still find Seinfeld reruns on your local network affiliate at highly viewed times. The same cannot be said of many of other significant shows within two years of those shows ending.

to Dan Daoust Wed, May 7, 2008 at 05:32 PM EST

the cosby show has been off the air for 16 yrs, and reruns of it run constantly on TV land, nick at nite, etc, and cheers used to be on nick at nite.

Dan Daoust Wed, May 7, 2008 at 05:19 PM EST

There's not much point debating whether Seinfeld does or not does not hold up. The fact is, it IS holding up. It's ten years since the series ended, and reruns still play on easy-to-find channels during prime rerun time (7:00, 7:30, 11:00). I don't think you could find a Cheers or Cosby Show rerun even two years after those shows ended. So you can ask the question, but the TV Guide has already answered it.

nunya Wed, May 7, 2008 at 05:14 PM EST

seinfeld still far surpasses anything on tv today. i am a diehard office and 30 rock fan and yet i must admit that seinfeld at its funniest is better than both--but they're all great!!

ilana Wed, May 7, 2008 at 05:06 PM EST

THough I have to agree that if Seinfeld aired today, its situations may be a little different, however, I think that Seinfeld is still a relevant and hilarious comedy. It was one of the first TV sitcoms to show how imperfect and petty people can be; sitting in a roomfull of people and watching an episode, one is sure to hear people shouting out "that is so true!" after seeing "close-talkers" or Jerry getting turned off by a pretty girl he dates with hands that were a little too big and masculine. People are stupid and petty, and Seinfeld showed that in the 90's, as well as today.

Jelana Wed, May 7, 2008 at 04:59 PM EST

I always liked it, but my appreciation has grown over the years. I don't think a week goes by at work without a Seinfeld quote. Amazing how much of it still resonates.


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