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Which movies of our era have had the most impact?

Jul 5, 2007, 05:41 PM | by Gary Susman

Categories: Film

Scar_l How do you define a movie's "impact"? Is it the number of later films that follow its example? Or is it the movie's influence on the world outside the multiplex? Alas, USA Today's list of "Movies with Real Impact," the 25 milestone films of the last 25 years, doesn't bother to answer that question. The paper's top pick, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, is certainly a great work of popular and cinematic art, but what "impact" has it had, besides on the bottom line at New Line? Yes, it spawned the Narnia and His Dark Materials franchises and made Peter Jackson a brand-name director, but I think it's too early to judge what sort of impact, if any, LOTR will have on moviemaking or on real life. Besides, there are many other films, including several on this list, whose legacies are far more apparent.

Some of the list items are indisputable: Pulp Fiction, Do the Right Thing, Titanic, Fatal Attraction, There's Something About Mary (the most influential comedy of the era), Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (for inspiring the creation of the PG-13 rating), El Mariachi (for launching the low-budget indie boom), Crouching Tiger, The Matrix (which surely belongs higher on the list than No. 20), Goodfellas, and sex, lies, and videotape (which put Sundance and Miramax on the map).

Others are close but not quite there. Mission: Impossible III is on the list for showing that Tom Cruise's career as the signature star of the past quarter century could suffer some damage from his off-screen behavior, but where's Risky Business, the film that effectively launched that career in the first place? Toy Story is here as the first all-CGI film, but where's Terminator 2, the film whose blend of CGI and live-action became the norm for most big-budget spectacles? The Bodyguard is here for its massive-selling soundtrack CD, but where's Flashdance, whose integration of film narrative and music (and music-video editing) was much more influential? Fahrenheit 9/11 is here as the top-grossing documentary, but it's had less real-world impact than An Inconvenient Truth or Super Size Me have had (or Sicko may yet have). Where's Scarface (pictured), which became the blueprint of so much of hip-hop culture? Where are such frequently copied movies as Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, and The Silence of the Lambs?

Of course, a list like this is subjective; you surely have your own movies that have had a great impact on you during the past 25 years. That's your cue, PopWatchers...

chippy Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 06:08 PM EST

There have been many great movies made but my personal favorite is The Godfather(trilogy)...I could esily watch this amazing Coppola film over and over and never tire of it .

Betty to Eddie P Sun, Jul 8, 2007 at 01:36 PM EST

I'm coming to this discussion late, but I must comment on what was going on btwn Galadriel and Eddie P. Why was Eddie accusing her of "ferocious and condescending attacks" when all she was doing was bringing some facts into the discussion? I don't see Eddie giving EpSato a hard time for saying "What clueless pop culturally illiterate dope wrote that list" which is way more incendiary than anything Galadriel wrote. Eddie singled her out, she responded quite appropriately, if you ask me, and then he called her a loser. Eddie, if you're still checking on this post, you'd best grow up and stop picking fights with people who know more than you, because Galadriel obviously knew her stuff, and you attacked her for it but didn't go after any other posters who were way ruder. I admire Galadriel for sticking to her guns. She shouldn't have apologized to him, but that only shows she's way more mature and classier than that jerk.

Sarah Sun, Jul 8, 2007 at 01:09 PM EST

Strepsi, that's a very interesting point you make about the tinting. I never really thought about that! Some others that have that tinted look come to mind as well: I, Robot, Minority Report, The Island, War of the Worlds, Pirates: At World's End, The Fountain. Now if only these people would get their act together and make The Hobbit movie, I'd be a much happier person!

Strepsi Sun, Jul 8, 2007 at 06:47 AM EST

Star Wars isn;t in there because it's only the past 25 years. Or else it and ALIEN would rule.

Agree with Scarface (Gwen Stefani even based her look on Michelle Pfeiffer), trade it for MI:III

LoTR is very impactful. PRO: For taking fantasy deadly seriously, with impact on children's lit, SciFi, and Fantasy genres. CON: Cinematography. Thanks to LoTR, Matrix, and Saving Private Ryan, all movie from 1999 on have been de-saturated and tinted blue or green. Like we look at Technicolor today, you'll be able to look at a blue-green movie and go "That's so early 2000s"

to eddie p Sat, Jul 7, 2007 at 10:21 AM EST

awwww, did the mean ol' galadrial hurt your itty witty feewings? let's have a pity party, 1,2,3... awwwwwww! in the words of jack sparrow, you're not a eunich, are you? btw, where's your imaginary friend, coach's bimbo, or whatever her name is, to back u up??? like i said before, eddie p is so lame he had to give himself some support under a different name. who's the loser now? big man? and if you like lotr, why'd you go picking fights with people for defending it? must be a mental case to boot.

JJ Sat, Jul 7, 2007 at 08:02 AM EST

I SEE EDDIE P DOESN'T HAVE THE STONES TO APOLOGIZE FOR HIS IDIOTIC NAMECALLING AND BABY-ASS WHINING. WHAT A TURDWAD!!!!

Genie Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 08:37 PM EST

Susman writes "the Lord of the Rings trilogy, is certainly a great work of popular and cinematic art, but what "impact" has it had, besides on the bottom line at New Line? Yes, it spawned the Narnia and His Dark Materials franchises and made Peter Jackson a brand-name director, but I think it's too early to judge what sort of impact, if any, LOTR will have on moviemaking or on real life. Besides, there are many other films, including several on this list, whose legacies are far more apparent." He thinks Scarface is more deserving than LOTR? Shooting down dozens of people and shouting "Say hello to ma little fren!" is a superior film?? He IS crazy.

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 05:51 PM EST

Ceballos, can I come with you???

Ceballos Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 05:45 PM EST

...as always, the lesson is: don't f--- with LOTR fans...they're passionate, many and they will overwhelm you. Have a great weekend all (and have a great next week, actually, I'm off to Minnesota for Internet-free fishing fun).

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 05:42 PM EST

Eddie, dude, sorry about the bite me comment. It was my lame attempt at being funny, but I erred and I apologize. It was fun. You have a good weekend. FRODO LIVES!

Eddie P Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 05:37 PM EST

Ok, my last post. I realized the Blog Police has already ruled on the case. Keep in mind, I never bashed LOTR (in fact, I enjoyed them all). I never disputed anyone's assertion that the series was influential. All I called attention to was someone's ferocious (and condescending) attacks on other posters who dared offer counter views. To me that's bluster. The "bite me" response led to an unfortunate downward spiral. Oh well, made a Friday more interesting.

Sarah Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 05:05 PM EST

Ep Sato; thank god there's no LOTR cartoons or tons of kids walking around like elves and hobbits. Those things cheapen a film franchise (and BTW, LOTR isn't 'sci fi'-it's fantasy). But I don't see any of these things for Scarface, Pulp Fiction, Something About Mary, The Matrix either (again, thank god!). I have LOTR t-shirts, action figures, costumes, pins, posters, license plates, calendars and desktops that I display proudly, so I don't get your point. And Star Wars would've been on this list if the first film were within the 25-year limitation. BTW, Gladiator is not a fantasy film. It's a period drama based in history. Big difference. All y'all get off Galadriel's back! You go girl!!!!!!!!!!

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 04:56 PM EST

Blog Police, that's cool! Sorry if I came across arrogant and hostile. I love LOTR and get hot under the collar when people bash my Hobbits and Elves. I'm also bitter that there STILL isn't a film version of The Hobbit b/c New Line won't pay Peter Jackson what they owe him. Cheap bastards. It should've been done by now! But I still don't see why Eddie got so mad at me for saying bite me. He called me a loser! I'm telling MOM!!!!!

Herstory Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 04:46 PM EST

One more comment... WTF does Scarface have to do w/ hip hop? "Gangsta Rap" (worst thing to happen to the black community since jim crow btw) maybe but hip hop? You've got to be joking.

EP Sato Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 04:38 PM EST

I stand corrected about LOTR vs. Gladiator. That said, my point was that Gladiator came out first and a slew of fantasy films came out after.

That said, we're discussing a film's impact on popular culture. Outside of the world of sci fi conventions, I don't feel as if this is the case with LOTR. It's not like the LOTR figures have become this huge mainstream toy hit like the Star Wars figures did.

There's no LOTR saturday morning cartoon, and you don't see tons of kids going out dressed like the fellowship of the ring a few short halloweens after the movie came out. LOTR was an undeniable hit, but it's also based on a book that was written decades ago. It was already a part of popular culture when the movie came out. LOTR as books had a major impact on society as a whole (the whole D&D phenomenon as one example, the prominence of Gandalf among non conformists as another), but the movie notsomuch. And this is all just one guy's opinion.

Cheers.

Blog Police Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 04:37 PM EST

I've reviewed the facts of the case and do hereby find Galadriel guilty of arrogance and creating a hostile environment, Eddie P guilty for throwing the first punch, and Coach's Mistress guilty of doing a poor job of intervening, despite her good intentions and apparent fact that she's involved in some sort of adulterous relationship. Case closed.

Steamy Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 04:19 PM EST

There's Something About Mary was one of the most overrated STOOPID films ever made! Potty humor and bodily fluids humor. Oooo, THERE'S a good time! I agree. Lord of the Rings ALL THE WAY!

Jasmine Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 03:49 PM EST

I HATED sex, lies, and videotape. Watched it once to see what all the hullaballoo was about, but could barely make it to the end, waiting for it to get good and IT NEVER DID! What a piece of trash! Give me Lord of the Rings over that junk ANY DAY!!!

CC Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 03:05 PM EST

Ugh, SCARFACE??? What is wrong with this dude? Scarface was the ugliest, dirtiest, rudest, most gratuitously violent film I ever saw. It could be on the top 25 list only if that were a list of movies never to imitate or remake or rerelease. Blech!!!!

Vixen Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 03:02 PM EST

Who cares what Eddie says? And what's wrong with you idiots defending him? If that bastard called me a loser, I'd punch his lights out.

James Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 03:00 PM EST

Duh! Eddie J or P or whoever the hell he is was mad because he didn't have anything to back up what his opinion was. Galadrial did a good job stating a case for LOTR. If you dont like it, stop being a whiney crybaby and go play in the sandbox.

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 02:57 PM EST

Sorry if my "grandstanding" offended you. I happen to know a lot about LOTR, so I apologize for throwing too many facts into the discussion. If I may defend myself against your accusations, Mr. Susman said the films didn't have any impact yet. So I gave plenty of examples of their impact. And the responses I get are:
"oscars are not about the impact of a film"; in WHAT UNIVERSE?
"without the success of 'Gladiator' no one would have funded a sword and sorcery trilogy" which is incorrect since production on LOTR began long before the release of Gladiator.
"I love these topics that provoke so much bluster (that means you, Galadriel)"
"Ah, taking time out of your dungeons and dragons game. Nice response loser."
Did I call anyone a loser? Did I pick a fight with anyone? I think you should be careful who you call "angry, agressive, dismissive and rude." Get a grip. It's a discussion.

Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 02:40 PM EST

I think what EddieP and Coach's Mistress were taking offense to was Galadriel's argumentative tone and initial grandstanding rudenss. His very first post insulted Gary Susman, and his next one insulted another blogger before EddieP even got involved. Galadriel seemed awfully angry from the start that anyone would ever dare question the position of LOTR at #1. Lists like these are subjective and are based on opinions. People should be able to state theirs as well. And, although Galadriel gave great support for his/her (sorry, still not sure if you're male or female) s/he came across as angry, agressive, dissmissive and rude. This should be fun - the name calling from both sides was immature and not neccessary. Let's take a deep breath and relax...

JJ Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 02:12 PM EST

What a colossal jerk EDDIE P is! Man, I'm glad he's gone from the discussion. Complaining that somebody gave too many reasons for a film being great? Sounds like sour grapes and a sh*tty attitude to me!!

fredric Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 01:51 PM EST

Agree with Clueless as an inclusion. But what about failures as having impact, too? Surely there were some impact from the lessons learned from Waterworld. And as much as I like Pretty Woman, I think When Harry Met Sally might be its precursor.

Herstory Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 01:45 PM EST

To brake from the Scarface LOTR argument for a moment, I think "influential" should be defined better. As far as films go "Auntie Mame" from the 1960's influenced my life more than any other film/book and I'm 25. I think what infulences a person is as personal as what someone is entertained by, and it's obvious one woman's "fav film of all time" is another's worst. On another note films from the last 5 years shouldn't be included because we don't know there impact yet, 10 years from now maybe, but not yet.

Eric Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 01:32 PM EST

"48 Hours" for creating (or is it burdening us with?) the blueprint for the buddy-action comedy that seems to have about a half dozen new incarnations every year. Still the best of the best... what happened to you, Eddie??

nASTY j Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 01:08 PM EST

EddieP is a sore loser! Ahahahahaha! LOTR ROCK ON! #1! uSA 2dAY ROCK ON!

Galdriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 12:23 PM EST

Eddie P: What do you care if I throw out some researched facts to defend LOTR against some of the derogatory comments people have made? Some of their comments were factually incorrect. What do you care? You care enough to pick fights with me, call me a loser, whine about my "essays", and insinuate that I spend my whole life playing dungeons and dragons, which I've never played in my entire life. Your insults are tiresome. Your ignorance is tiresome. Who died and made you the Blog Police?

Eddie P Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 12:18 PM EST

There is no point in continuing an exchange with Galadriel. First, she(?) goes after Gary, then Q-A, then Ep Sato, now me. Fine, you win. Your mastery of research (citing BC professors no less!) on LOTR is so compelling. You have now convinced everyone that it belongs #1 on the list. Congrats to you. For the record, stating an opinion with some evidence is fine. Your repetitive, argumentative jabs are tiresome. But maybe everyone else (other than Coach's mistress) enjoys them.

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 12:03 PM EST

Eddie P, so your big ol' beef with me is my "thesis-paper type arguments". Oh, pardon me for bringing some facts to this discussion to back up my opinion. And you clearly deserved the 'bite me' response to your original statement "I love these topics that provoke so much bluster (that means you, Galadriel)." You're obviously picking a fight with me ("Ah, taking time out of your dungeons and dragons game. Nice response loser."), so bring it on. Forgive me if I'm not quaking in my boots.

Ashleigh Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:52 AM EST

Okay, I'm probably going to take a lot of heat for this, but what about Dirty Dancing? Think of how many dancing movies it's spawned since then (Step Up for example has basically the same premise). Plus, it motivated so many people to begin dance lessons, much like the Dancing with Celebs phenom. Just my opinion!!

GeeMoney Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM EST

The Matrix should be higher on the list. What about Spider Man? I think thanks to Sam Raimi casting Tobey Maguire, a guy who may have been a dorky superhero, not to mention a dorky superhero who could actually act, I think studios are now thinking twice about hiring action starts just for their sex appeal and instead focusing on their great acting ability.

Eddie P Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM EST

First off, I am not Coach's Mistress; I am not insecure that I would need to sign on as someone else to apparently support myself. Second, I didn't start this juvenile exchange. Note Galadriel came back first with the bite me response. All I am distinguishing is people who make thesis-paper type arguments trying to make points to convince others that they're wrong vs. simply stating your opinion (which I have no problem with).

Eddie P Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM EST

First off, I am not Coach's Mistress; I am not insecure that I would need to sign on as someone else to apparently support myself. Second, I didn't start this juvenile exchange. Note Galadriel came back first with the bite me response. All I am distinguishing is people who make thesis-paper type arguments trying to make points to convince others that they're wrong vs. simply stating your opinion (which I have no problem with).

David Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:25 AM EST

I loved the LOTR films; they're among my favorite of all time. I think they are influential and will become more so as time passes. That said, I don't believe that they are the most influential of the past 25 years, at least not yet.

As someone else noted, they were not the first to shoot more than one film at a time -- "Back to the Future" II and III did this back in the late 80s. Also, while the DVD extras are great, they really are not relevant to a discussion of the impact of a film. And many DVDs released before LOTR had "comprehensive DVD extras" -- check out most Criterion releases.

To Coach's Mistress Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:13 AM EST

Uh, no, YOU started it by calling people losers for trying to make a point. The first time you decide to chime in on this discussion is to say, "I'm with Eddie P...you are a loser." I suspect you ARE Eddie P under a different name. Sad.

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:11 AM EST

Coach's Mistress: What's your problem?

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:09 AM EST

Here's how LOTR has already influenced the film industry:
1. LOTR was the 1st to use MASSIVE software which made the epic battle scenes possible, and has been used to film I, Robot; Elektra; The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe; and King Kong (source: http://www.massivesoftware.com/feature.html)
2. 1st to use an actor's physical and vocal performance to make a fully digitized character like Gollum possible; method also used in films like Pirates of the Caribbean (Davy Jones)
3. 1st to shoot more than one film at the same time, which was subsequently done for the Matrix and Pirates sequels
4. set new standards for comprehensive behind-the-scenes DVD extras, as can be seen in numerous current DVD releases

tman Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:02 AM EST

PEACE people!

Coach's Mistress Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 11:00 AM EST

Oh, I'm sorry. Galadriel does make lovely valid points for his/her arguments, but also can shove some insults at others in there as well. Or are you too busy saying "DOIIYYY!" all day long yourself? It seems like he/she can dish it out but can't take it. I don't want to shatter your image of me being young and immature, so here it goes..."She started it!"

Sarah Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:57 AM EST

elegantlywasted: I loved Moulin Rouge too, but that's a tough movie. Either you loved it or hated it. Loved Ewan McGregor too. But please, don't put down LOTR. And by the way, Billy Boyd who played Pippin DOES SING, and quite impressively, in Return of the King during the scene with Denethor.

rockin robin Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:54 AM EST

No question, The Breakfast Club should definately be on the list.
Jurassic Park??? Not so much.
Too bad Airplane! doesn't qualify. It deserves to be grandfathered in.

To Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:53 AM EST

I think you just answered your own question; no there has not been any other movie like LOTR in terms of a company risking everything for such a grandiose project.
That is why people are questioning its influence. If it is the only one to do so, then how did it influence other movies or the way that movies are made?

Coach's Mistress & Eddie P Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:53 AM EST

How old are you people? You pick fights on this message board with people who make intelligent and valid points (YOU ROCK, GALADRIEL!!!), and then all you can say is that she's a "loser"? Are you 8 years old? Or do you just walk around going, "a-DUH!!! a-DOIIYYY!" all day? Morons. Let me say something to you that's more on your level for my girl, Galadriel: I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

elegantlywasted Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:50 AM EST

I hated the LOTR movies but loved the books. Go figure. I don't really see how the films are influencial, but they did have impact as far as people who are obviously bloody fanatical about them. With that said, I don't think the movies should be on this list.
I do love the suggestion of Moulin Rouge. A wonderful movie that is misunderstood by many but certainly did pave the way for other movie-musicals. Plus, who new Ewan McGregor could sing! Could any of the hobbits or elves sing? Don't think so! Ha ha!

Max Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:48 AM EST

CECE: You're right on! No other movie in that genre can or ever will touch The Breakfast Club! "So, Ahab...Kybo Mein Doobage." Classic!

camy Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:46 AM EST

I believe as for musicals if it weren't for the past 25 year rule then it would have to be West Side Story and The Sound of Music which are still the most known movie musicals/ stage musicals to this day.

Coach's Mistress Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:41 AM EST

I'm with Eddie P...you are a loser.

Cece Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:40 AM EST

I will stand by my support of Moulin Rouge, but will counter your assessment of Clueless as the film that ushered in the '90s and '00s blaze of teen flicks with an even better one: The Breakfast Club. No teen movie from the '80s had a bigger impact on Gen X, Gen Y and the millineals (that's what they're calling us now). The Breakfast Club had everything except minorties (my only concern). It's a movie that stands the test of time and shows that every teenager is insecure, no matter who you are or who you think you are. The Breakfast Club rules!!

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:21 AM EST

Here are USA Today's reasons for placing LOTR at #1: "New Line Cinema risked it all by entrusting low-profile New Zealander Peter Jackson with the audacious task of spinning Tolkien’s dense literary fantasy into cinema gold. The result: 17 Oscars, a box-office gross of $3 billion worldwide and the birth of two superstars — one virtual (Gollum) and one pointy-eared (Orlando Bloom)."

I know Eddie P is going to get all hot under the collar at me for piping up again (just tears me up inside, let me tell ya), but I thought those of you saying LOTR does not deserve its place at the top should actually read what the article from USA Today says. Are there any other movies this ambitious, trailblazing, or successful? I think not.

Tony Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 10:14 AM EST

First of all, I would like to point out that the list is of the most influential movies of the past 25 years, meaning that movies made before 1982 are ineligible. That leaves out the first two Godfather films and most of the original Star Wars trilogy, as well as Airplane! (1980), Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981), Saturday Night Fever (1978) and Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975). Second, I think LOTR is too recent to have made as much impact as to be number one. Give it another decade or so to see how influential it really is. Third, I think #14 on the list had little to do with the movie itself, considering the reasons given in the article. Replace it with something worthier - say, E.T. the Extraterrestial.

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:57 AM EST

That's the best comeback you have? To call me a loser? Wow, you really are mentally challenged. JJ's right. You must be a load of fun at parties.

Eddie P Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:53 AM EST

Ah, taking time out of your dungeons and dragons game. Nice response loser.

JJ Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:52 AM EST

Hey, Eddie P! Y U tryin ta ruin our fun, man? Wut R U, a stick in da mud? U must B a ton O fun at parties!

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:48 AM EST

Eddie P: Bite me.

Eddie P Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:42 AM EST

Geez, I love these topics that provoke so much bluster (that means you, Galadriel). Look, it's a subjective list. It's not a list of the top 25 movies, and it's clearly trying to find representatives across a number of ways of measuring "impact" (gross receipts, awards, imitators, salaries). Don't get your blood pressure up because your favorite movie isn't recognized.

Ames Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:42 AM EST

Most of you are listing films that impacted Hollywood. What about films that impacted us? To that let me say Austin Powers changed our vernacular like no other film recently.

Andie Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:41 AM EST

I think Clueless started the whole new teen-movement of the 90's and 00's making possible the WB, boy bands and even more teen flicks that engulfed pop culture. I'm not saying it's a great impact, but I'm sure some good came of it.

Jess Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:21 AM EST

Matt, I've tried several times now to sit through Scarface, and it's just a massive orgy of selfishness and violence.

Matt Millen Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 09:03 AM EST

To all of the critic snobs (and critics wannabes), rip on Scarface all you want but it deserves to be on the list. Yeah, its too long, but so is Lord of the Rings and the hard to sit through Titanic.
Who in the blue hell put "The Bodyguard" on this list?

Ceballos Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 08:35 AM EST

"i dont see what impact star wars episode 1-3 had except for that now people realize how bad a director george lucas is" Haha! I loved that, Paige.

Ceballos Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 08:32 AM EST

Well David, while I certainly agree that Moulin Rouge and Chicago aren't the most influential Broadway movie musicals of all time, I don't see the need to smack down anybody who disputes their influence by claiming they "have a shallow knowledge of film history. I get it...not everyone is a movie musical kind of person.


This article is talking about movies from just the PAST 25 YEARS (which is why Star Wars and other, infinitely more influential older movies aren't on the list). I guess that means you just have a shallow knowledge of this blog item.

paige Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 08:26 AM EST

another stupid list!!! i dont see what impact star wars episode 1-3 had except for that now people realize how bad a director george lucas is... how Jaws and the original star wars trilogy arent up there is beyond me: they did father in the birth of the blockbuster to begin with... also- wheres Schindler's List, Clockwork Orange, Scarface (even though I personally think its overrated, overblown 3hr garbage), hell, wheres Grease??? stupid list

Tim Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 08:19 AM EST

Scarface is so over-rated.

And no Star Wars??!?!!! That's blasphemy!!!!

I'm getting tired of these endless lists from people whose opinions don't count or matter.

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 08:08 AM EST

LOTR's cultural significance, i.e. "impact on real life" is best explained by Peter Jackson via lordoftherings.net:
"These films are truly timeless. That term is used a lot, but the themes are as relevant today as they were 50 years ago when Tolkien wrote the book. They were relevant 500 years ago. It's basic human emotional stuff. It's friendship, it's courage, it's loyalty, it's love, it's fear, it's good vs. evil...What you find in The Return of the King especially are the emotional moments of just admiring the courage of somebody, admiring the selflessness of somebody, realizing that this person is taking themselves to the point of death because of something they believe in, because of somebody that they love. Those are very basic, honorable themes, and they are all things that we would ourselves like to aspire to. I think that's why it touches people." LOTR is uplifting in the most elemental ways. Can anyone say that about Jurassic Park, Scarface, Pulp Fiction, etc.?

Me Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 08:02 AM EST

Just another stupid list from those whose opinion rules supreme over all of us who are uninformed and uneducated in the world of cinema.
Whatever.

Sarah Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 07:59 AM EST

Joe C: If movies had no impact on real life, we would forget them as soon as they're over. And you wouldn't be on this message board talking about movies.

Joe C Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 07:47 AM EST

Let's dispense with the notion that movies have an impact on 'real life'; the best movie is simply entertainment. Using that criteria, I would have to say 'Godfather' 'Scarface' 'Star Wars' because those movies have been copied more than any others. And for comedies, it has to be 'Airplane!

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 07:39 AM EST

Ep sato, that's very interesting. You're claiming that Gladiator was more successful than LOTR. On what level are you talking, because it didn't make much money (Gladiator domestic box office earnings: $188 million; Fellowship: $314m, source boxofficemojo.com), win as many Academy Awards (5 compared to 17), introduce any groundbreaking technology in cinema or production, and it starred a narcissistic, abusive man. Also, your claim that "without the success of 'Gladiator' no one would have funded a sword and sorcery trilogy" is completely incorrect because production on LOTR began in 1997 and if you remember, Gladiator was released in 2000.

David Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 07:23 AM EST

Anybody who says braveheart is a movie that has a great impact obviously has a shallow knowledge of film history. It's like saying Moulin Rouge or Chicago had the most impact as movie musicals! Oh wait somebody said Moulin Rouge too! so either you're too young to know other earlier influences (though that shouldn't be an excuse if you are really a cineaste) or like i said you don't know films. yukyukyukyukyuk! hehe.

EP Sato Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 07:20 AM EST

And yeah, wassup with No Star Wars?

Oh wait, USA Today? You mean the newspaper they give you for free with your breakfast purchase at Mcdonalds? That's only the worst paper with nationwide distribution out there, save maybe the weekly world news and national enquirer.

In your face USA Today!

EP Sato Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 07:19 AM EST

What clueless pop culturally illiterate dope wrote that list? Instant snubs notice for the Warriors and Clerks.

The Warriors is STILL Walter Hill's best work and had a major influence on pop culture (several videos feature parodies of this movie), and the "warriors, Come out to play" scene has been immitated countless times. It's an influential classic.

Clerks made it possible for fanboys with no money to become filmmakers. Kevin Smith inspired tons of indy film makers and continues to do so as a teacher. Where's the love for KS?

Meanwhile, the CABLE GUY makes the list? While LOTR helped spawn countless imitators, but without the success of "Gladiator" no one would have funded a sword and sorcery trilogy. So it's Gladitor and NOT LOTR that should be at the top of that list.

And why didn't the X Men make the cut? After X Men 1, everybody got into making comic book movies. Even ones based on comics by underground artists Harvey Pekar and Daniel Clowes. That's influence dude.

Galadriel Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 07:09 AM EST

Q-A, what a brilliant mind you have. Excellence in cinema and winning a boatload of oscars DOESN'T mean anything. How silly of me. Thank you for sharing your infinite wisdom with all us lowly peons who know NOTHING of cinema and/or its impact on moviemaking and culture, not to mention the scholar I quoted from Boston College. Lord knows you're MUCH MORE knowledgable than he is. It's reassuring that you had no comeback to any of the other five points I made. I must not be a total moron. Though Jurassic Park was groundbreaking for its time, 1993, I don't see what impact it made culturally. Perhaps you can bestow your superior viewpoint on my feeble one and give some real reasons why Jurassic Park is so much more significant than LOTR.

apk Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 06:47 AM EST

Braveheart made war scenes up close, personal, bloody, and savage long before Private Ryan and the Fellowship of the Rings. No other movie has had more influence on how battles are scripted, staged, and shot.

All of the following movies have "Braveheart" style grim 'n gritty battle scenes, and these are just off the top of my head: Gladiator, The Patriot, Saving Private Ryan, LOTR Trilogy, Star Wars: Ep I, We Were Soldiers, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End...

Chris G Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 06:30 AM EST

Hello, "Airplane!" Do you think there would be 34534 Scary Movie sequels? Or Date Movie or Epic Movie... um, on second thought nevermind...

kats Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 05:23 AM EST

All about "The Matrix". So good, so influential, such an impact on the way martial arts and special effects are done in countless movies now. Unfortunately, it also spawned two awful sequels. Was it responsible for the "threequel"?

Q-A Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 02:18 AM EST

Well Galadriel, oscars are not about the impact of a film, but it's cinematic achievement. Gary is totally right, it is too early to tell which will be its lasting impact, although there definitely is a surge in fantasy epics everywhere (he could also have listed Eragan, D-wars, Terabithia...). I any case, it surely shouldn't be #1.

Personally I think Jurassik Parc should have been at the top!

Jakeem Fri, Jul 6, 2007 at 01:49 AM EST

"Scarface" is soooo overrated and it has one of the great anachronisms of all time. The beginning of the movie is set in 1980 during the Cuban boatlift. A few minutes later, you can see a street scene in the Miami area featuring a USA Today box. USA Today didn't exist until 1982!

Galadriel Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 09:54 PM EST

Sorry, my statistic was incorrect. Return of the King won 11 Academy Awards, the trilogy won a total of 17. Apparently the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences can recognize LOTR's impact.

Galadriel Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 09:46 PM EST

Gary Sussman, you don't see the impact of LOTR? What rock have you been living under? Allow me to enlighten you. Re: moviemaking-LOTR was the 1st to use MASSIVE software which made the epic battle scenes possible; 1st to use an actor's physical and vocal performance to make a fully digitized character like Gollum possible; earned 11 Academy Awards; first to shoot three films at once; set new standards for comprehensive DVD extras. Re: cultural impact-Thomas Hibbs, associate professor of philosophy at Boston College explains it best when he compared LOTR to the 9/11 tragedies: "Both dramas feature ordinary citizens and leaders, shaken from their commonplace lives by an invading evil; after an initial shock, they commit themselves to a cause, and, in so doing, discover in themselves resources they never knew they possessed. There is also a similarity in the way diverse peoples, while never forgetting their particular homelands, put aside differences to fight against a common enemy."

Nix Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 09:44 PM EST

I cringed when I saw Tony there. "Scarface" is the uber-role model for almost every young male out there. It was everywhere in the dorms in college and a friend who used to do some light business in that business often cites "Scarface" as an influence in his prioritization of getting money as a sign of respect and his choice of method for making that money. I suspect quite a few of those boys out there who are still in that business feel the same way, and due to their ubiquitous services, "Scarface" affects us all.

ns Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 09:03 PM EST

Before I saw the USA Today list, I would have ranked Pulp Fiction as an easy #1, followed by Toy Story and Die Hard (which as has been noted is the most copied action film of the era).

The Blair Witch Project needs to be mentioned too, for its then-revolutionary method of creating buzz.

SeattleMoviegoer Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 09:00 PM EST

Just a comment about the modern movie musical and its recent inspirations. CHICAGO was certainly the mover and shaker. EVITA actually got the ball rolling as it took in $150 million worldwide--as did MOULIN, PHANTOM and DREAMGIRLS. CHICAGO went over $350 million. So, this ain't small change. Musicals are doing the kind of business that other so-called major hits are grossing. Musicals I've mentioned have done better than NORBIT, BLADES OF GLORY, FAILURE TO LAUNCH, etc. etc. I have a feeling that HAIRSPRAY will do better than any of them. And SWEENY TODD (with good reviews and awards) will slay the competition as well. MAMMA MIA will do gangbusters as it does onstage.

Donna Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 08:50 PM EST

The Big Chill -- established Lawrence Kasdan as a first-class writer/director; featured a best-selling soundtrack; established the "friends" theme performed by an amazing "ensemble" cast -- both bellweathers of '80s cinmea & TV.
Just consider: Glen Close, Kevin Kline, Tom Berenger, William Hurt, Jeff Goldblum, Mary Kay Place, JoBeth Williams, Meg Tilley and a mostly left-on-the-cutting-room floor Kevin Costner all on the same bill.
Now that's one-of-a-kind entertainment.

Matthew Cruz Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 08:09 PM EST

LOTR stands as the most influential set of films in the last 25 years because of its cinematic influence as well.

The mass armies, sword-and-sandal epic battle sets have set a precedent (one that's hardly been matched) for action sequences in the last six years since Fellowship's release. That aside, it opened the door for fantasy/literature tales as widely accepted pop-culture:

-Troy
-Narnia
-Golden Compass
-Stardust
-Eragon
-Alexander
-Bridge to Terabithia

Anything that comes out now is just "like LOTR."

Ceballos Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 07:47 PM EST

Yeah, Emily, but every "Matrix" or "Die Hard" ripoff has been inferior to the movie that inspired them...just because no other Broadway musical adaptations have reached the creative and financial heights of Moulin Rouge and Chicago, doesn't mean they weren't influential. I would even argue the fact that Phantom did ok (over $100 mil worldwide) and, although, people LOVE to bash it, Dreamgirls made over $150 mil worldwide and was nominated for eight Oscars...I know it was WAY overhyped when it arrived, but it's hardly a failure.


The reason i personally put Moulin and Chicago on the list is because, i think without those movies being successful, we don't see that Phantom, Dreamgirls, Rent, Hairspray this month or Mamma Mia next year or whenever.

eddie Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 07:09 PM EST

BY FAR: SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. I've seen this movie like 30 times & I always find it very interesting everytime! Jodie Foster should make a movie of this caliber! Seriously, its long overdue.

Emily Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 06:46 PM EST

I dont get why people on here say that moulin rouge and chicago should be on the list. There actually has not been a good musical in decades. Dreamgirls did well but i dont think it even covered the expense it cost to be made. The other big screen musicals this decade were box office bombs and did poorly with critics.

Cece Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 06:25 PM EST

I'm throwing in my bid for Moulin Rouge. That was an EXCELLENT movie that broke down the door for Chicago, Rent, Phantom of the Opera and, of course, Dreamgirls. JHud needs to thank Baz Lurhman and Miramax for that Oscar because without the sheer brilliance of Moulin Rouge, Dreamgirls would have been just a passing thought and not a reality.

Michael Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 06:22 PM EST

If going back 25 years includes 1982 you've gotta add "Blade Runner", the movie that seems to have established once and for all what the future would look like. "Pulp Fiction" set the standard for plot structure and dialog. The other most influential movie of the 90s would be David Fincher's "Se7en", which had as big an influence on the look of thrillers and horror movies as "Blade Runner" did on science fiction.

daisyj Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 06:19 PM EST

"Saving Private Ryan" definitely deserves to be higher on the list than it is. I'd argue that every major battle sequence on film since then (including, or maybe even especially, the ones in the LOTR movies) owes it a major creative debt.

Patrick Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 06:18 PM EST

NineDaves - "Saturday Night Fever" and "Rocky Horror" are more than 25 years old, so they do not qualify for this list. And BW, the same goes for "Star Wars" - it's 30 years old.

NineDaves Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 06:10 PM EST

Flashdance? How about Saturday Night Fever. That broke box office soundtrack sales. And where's Rocky Horror - which I would argue was the first "cult" movie that still has an active following.

Back in Time Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 05:44 PM EST

The two-at-once sequel filming was pioneered in Back to the future II and III, years before LOTR.

Chub Mack Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 05:33 PM EST

Doh! That should read "two-at-once sequel productions for the Matrix and POTC."

Chub Mack Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 05:31 PM EST

I'm no Mr. LOTR, but I think it's HIGHLY influential based on its three-at-once production schedule which has begotten two-at-once, sequel productions for the Matrix and LOTR. These insta-franchises have a huge effect on how movies are made and sold less and less as stories and more and more as "brands."

Ceballos Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 05:23 PM EST

Even though the list doesn't elaborate, Personally, I like to think of influential more as the number of films that followed the example.


As far as the films I consider influential in the past 25 years, a few are on the list (The Matrix and Pulp Fiction) and Susman mentioned another, Die Hard, which pretty much spawned any action movie with ONE hero in a confined area against a group of baddies.


As for others not on the list, I'd say 48 HRS precedes even Lethal Weapon as far as black/white, mismatched buddy cop action comedies go.


I'd also toss in Moulin Rouge/Chicago for bringing back the big-budget Broadway musical (esp. Chicago), though that trend seems to be tapering off.


Also, The Little Mermaid, whose success spurred that white hot streak of animated Disney musical classics (Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Aladdin, etc.) that I grew up with.

BC Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 05:13 PM EST

Not sure what the criteria is but LotR had a lot of impact on the film industry in terms of CGI (in particular with the way epic battles are handled and using a CGI creation as a main player).

BW Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 04:58 PM EST

What about "Star Wars"? I'd argue that franchise is the reason they were able to make LOTR.

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