Baby TomKat and Baby Shields: What are the odds?

nicole Thu, May 11, 2006 at 06:13 AM EST

the name Suri in Zimbabwe Shona language actually means gas as in passing gas if you add chiSURI it would actually mean PASSING GAS

maureen Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:22 PM EST

oh come on. She was 26 and pregnant and he was 43(0r more)and the father. He was married for 10 years and had 2 pre-teen children in shared custody between international countries with another celebrity. If it were my daugher (I have two daughters ages 22,20...I am 46 my husband of 26 years is 50) I would have prayed that the Lord shield her from a predator like him. I feel her parents are surely agast and are just hoping she comes to her senses. They can't say much for the fear of the power he has over her at the moment...but noone would ever wish for their beautiful, talented, young daughter to hook up with a handsome(sorta but short) powerful(and using it) middle aged(sorry, you look good, but the calendar says you are past prime)guy. I am sure that when Katie made it in Hollywood and had a key role in her TV role they never thought that Tom Cuise would come into the picture and not only impregnate her in the first three months of their relationship, but he would also STEAL her mind in the process.

I have two intelligent, beautiful, college educated daughters ( one is, one will be...graduated that is) who are every bit at
"good looking" as Kate. They decided to attend college instead.

If a guy 43 came along and screwed the whole thing up just when she starting on her dream job (she was, he did) i can only think of one saying " Fool my once, shame on you, Fool me twice, Shame on me"

Kate, that means you have to learn from your mistakes.

Don't let him fool you a second time

or at worst, Where are you Kates Parents???Help Her!!! Why do you just stand by? I am sure that she received the opportunities she aquired by your help and diligence. AND her personal aura. I know it must be rewarding to have a child having talent and earning acolades so young in this industry(I am from PA but understand the 'accoclades" are from LA)....BUT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND What if she was like my beautiful (not just in my standards...but in industry standards?

What has happened to Kates friends? I guess in the beginning it was you couldn't help but smiling to the other Moms and Dads at the high school about the movie and TV roles heading her talented way. Oh, but wait...Tom Cruise was in the picture...and in the time you had to eat your microwaved popcorn Kate popped up ...pregrant...faster than you could have...well if you want to know she popped up pregnant than I did with her Father!!!

If you want to know my forcast for the future it is as follows:

Suri you will be loved by your parents...
They just won't be tucking you into bed together...nor reading you nightime stories at the same time in the same place together 10 years from now. I wish you the best...when you are 22 and a new college graduate...your Mom will be 48...your Dad will be 65. go for the Gold...earn a college degree and live a life to benefit mankind.

Amy Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:09 PM EST

How funny is it, MJA, that you keep spouting off who cares about these celebrities? Why did you come to this website in the first place? Maybe you should take your own advice & get a life! Do you really take yourself this seriously?

chewbecca Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:07 PM EST

To MJA---It is midnight, had nothing better to do. Thank you for the laughs. You try to be so pretentious with your responses and say people should "get a life" while you are obviously spending so much of yours here. You can respond, if you like. I will most likely never be on this site again and will never see your banter. By the way, your English is deplorable. It hinders one from taking you seriously in print, if-in fact-you are serious.

Chewbecca

marie Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 10:13 PM EST

Beautiful big, blue eyes???? Most all caucasian babies are born with blue eyes, and gradualy change color as the child gets older.

z Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:56 PM EST

Hey, MJA! If you have a life, what are you doing on this message board? Taking a break from your wonderful life? Good for you.

Sally - California Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:34 PM EST

Some of you have said "Who cares?" (re: Tomkat's new baby and the buzz around birth, etc.) Believe me, I care. Tom Cruise is blaring to the world how much he is "into" Scientology along with John Travolta and others. Tom has even intimated he only wants a relationship with someone who will join Scientology as well. His own 2 children are taught using the Scientology methods. Somehow I cannot believe - but I can't find reference to - Scientology condoning childbirth without first marriage. Sorry, Tom, but you are leading this little lady (now 2 little ladies) down the dark path of YOUR wishes. Marrying Katie AFTER the birth just seems selfish to me. This should have happened the second you were aware of the pregnancy.

TRACI Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:17 PM EST

HEY TOM AND KATE AND BABY SURI I JUST WANTED TO WISH U THE BEST OF LUCK HAVING A BABY IS A BLESSING THE FIRST YEAR IS THE BEST SO ENJOY YOUR BLESSING BABY GIRL

TAKE CARE

TRACI C

TRACI Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:15 PM EST

HEY TOM AND KATE AND BABY SURI I JUST WANTED TO WISH U THE BEST OF LUCK HAVING A BABY IS A BLESSING THE FIRST YEAR IS THE BEST SO ENJOY YOUR BLESSING BABY GIRL

TAKE CARE

TRACI C

dv Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:05 PM EST

sorry...typo.IVF

dv Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:04 PM EST

I heard Katie had IVK at Engelwood M.C. with sperm donation.(not Tom's)

susan Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 08:58 PM EST

Did I hear that Katie had an Epidural? Why didn't she do Lamaze and vitamins? Tom...remember when you said Brooke was stupid for using drugs and therapy? So...do you still think it's stupid because your little girl used them? Opps, sorry your Fiance. Grow up and get your head out of the clouds you brainwashed loser. Now you have your puppet brainwashed too. Katie get out while you still can!! He is weird!

Deb Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 08:00 PM EST

Why would anyone want Katie to have post-partum? She
already has a man old enough to be her father, Tom jumps on sofa's telling the world how much he
loves her, yet she goes nine mo's & has a baby, unmarried,
Joins one of the biggest cult groups in America...How much more
problems does she need?

Jasper Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 07:22 PM EST

My deepest sympathy to baby Cruise, growing up with her nut case father she should be in therapy by age 12.

MJA Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 02:08 PM EST

Hello, they are movie stars. Their job is sell their movie. So of course they will do public things to get their movie talked about. I don't fault them for that. That is their job to do. What I hate is when people make them out to be more that what they are. Like everything they do is so earth shaterring. Oh no hey named their baby Suri, Apple, Moses, how dare they... SO WHAT.. Oh no they don't want their kids to be baptized, shame on them... SO WHAT.. WHO CARES... Live you own life.

c Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 01:13 PM EST

So MJA wants everyone to stop buying the celeb mags. Well I don't think the celebs' publicists would agree with her. They are a great way to keep their clients in the spotlight. It is a bit too coincidental, that as a premier nears, all of-a-sudden drama seems to surround these stars. Such as TomKat forming in the midst of Batman Begins, Thank you for Smoking, and Mission Impossible III, when the media had bearly uttered a sound about Tom or Katie for over 2 years. Yeah, that is a coincidence.......;-)

eva Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 12:40 PM EST

Okay, I have to post a comment.

You don't know these people at all. How can you use what they say in magazines and the like as a fact of how they are? First of all, gossip is gossip, which usually means 50% lies........have you ever heard gossip and realized it was totally untrue or even partly? That's gossip.

And Second of all, WHO CARES......why are you analyzing and theorizing their lives? Some of these comments are just hilarious...you would think you're talking about politics or something........Focus your energy on more worthwhile subjects...like yourselves for one...I like reading those gossip mags, but it's for entertainment. I don't get "into it" like a lot of you people here. I mean, get a life people...SERSIOUSLY.

c Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 10:35 AM EST

MJA don't go around telling people that you are catholic. You'll give us a bad name.

MJA Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:51 AM EST

AND if you are sick of them then stop patronizing the magazines that puts these celebs on their cover week after week after week. They are the ones that are feeding these frenzy. I don't fault the celebs they are doing their job. I fault the American public for buying into their BS lives. We are so celeb obsessed that we make them out to be more that what they should be, just people who can act.

dee Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:50 AM EST

This is so sad. In the 2006 that a woman can not be with her child because a man said so. TO her family be there for her,she will need you. ( she to is a child).No one should take them away for her family. because the cult thinks so. Educated people don't go though this.

MJA Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:42 AM EST

To Sara.. ummmm how do you know so much? Where you there at the delivery room? Where you at the hospital when all this was happening? You give me a break. By the way, she did give birth at the hospital with an epidural. Do you also crucify other parents who chose not to baptized their own babies? There are others, this is not a unique situation. I don't have a problem with people living their own freaking life. Maybe you should concentrate on your own and stop worrying about what Katie Holmes is doing to hers. Maybe you can be a happier person and stop passing judgment on others who doesn't think and believe the way you do. AND don't get me started on religion and Scientology. These are people who chose this spiritual route. If this is working for them, who are we to say they are wrong? There are other problems in this world that we should concentrate on, not what these multi-millionaires stars are doing with their lives.

Adair Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 08:05 AM EST

Just thought you'd like to know... my local radio station reported these statistics as FACT this morning. Calling you guys "oddsmakers" and stuff - made me giggle.

osb Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:23 PM EST

I do believe Tom somewhat has a point with the whole 'over medicating our children' thing. What he doesn't seem to understand that there are more polite ways of expressing his opinion rather than insulting everyone who may dare to disagree with him. He claims 'communication' is very important to him. Last I knew, yelling "F*&# You" to people who don't agree with Scientology wasn't exactly an acceptable form of communication.
When it comes to Katie, I couldn't care less what that girl chooses to do with her life. It's her parents I feel sorry for. They're the ones who are stuck in the worst situation. From what I've read, Scientologists don't tolerate others who try to pressure them to leave Scientology. As a Scientologist, you are told these are 'suppressive people' and you must 'disconnect' from them or else you are shunned by the church. Katies parents are forced to support her decision or else they run the risk of never seeing their daughter and grandchild again. I can't imagine that being easy for any parent when their child chooses to join a religion that doesn't hold family in high regard.

Don Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 07:31 PM EST

TomKat: The Divorce.

The countdown begins...

Karla Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 06:36 PM EST

Hey, don't hate on each other - it takes the focus off of the facts:

Tom turned his love life and impending fatherhood into a full scale media circus. He has also not just mentioned his cult, but has trumpeted it all over the media.

And scientology is no religion - it's a full on cult. They're very, very different things, so don't confuse those facts either.

If some of you want to live and let live, and you're happy with a very famous man who doesn't even have an AA degree dispensing psychiatric advice to women he doesn't even know - then more power to you!

But to ask that we, the intended audience - the stooges, the marks, the patsies - of all Tom's wild manipulations, stay mute and complacent... well, sorry neither!

Free speech means he gets his massively media-slathered and seemingly endless moments to force his beliefs on everyone. Yay for the USA.

And free speech also means that those of us who have some actual experience of postpartum depression, cults, and Svengali-like relationships get to freely discuss the issues.

Seriously, go to cult watch and to the ex-Scientologist pages. Or get Dianetics, or the Hatter's Manuals. Don't let this cult hide under the mantle of the protections of religious freedom - it's a travesty to place it alongside established religions.

And God Bless Suri - she didn't deserve this life of freakish media attention and even more freakish culty childrearing ideas.

Maybe we can find a way to send notes into her closed-off world - like in the James Carrey movie "The Truman Show."

sara Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:19 PM EST

oh MJA, give me a break. That woman has given away not only the rights to her own body (HE dictates she can't have drugs, HE dictates she must have a silent birth), but also everything in regards to that poor baby (HE dictates that she cannot speak to her own newborn, HE dicates how she can or cannot be baptised). You clearly don't have a problem with that. And that is both baffling and rather sad.

Katie Holmes clearly has a problem. And anyone turning a blind eye not only to her manipulation - but anyone else's as well - is only contributing to the insanity.

Cheryl Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:10 PM EST

Run Katie Run, I use to love Tom (as an actor) but now that he goes around telling others how to live their lives (ie: Brooke Shields) he has become an ugly person in my eyes. He need not push his beliefs on others and to make katie wear the daily ultra sound thing, what a control freak!

MJA Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:06 PM EST

Blah blah blah... Who really here knows the real story about any of these celebrities? How can any of you really say one is being forced to do anything he or she doesn't want to do. How can you call someone whom you've never met or spoken to an idiot? Who are you to judge anyone? You only know them from the magazines and what the gossipers write about them. Come on. Don't feel bad about their new baby, you don't even know what goes on in that household. Feel sorry for any baby that are left in orphanages without any parents to love them. Religions in general, all of them are some form of a cult. You are trained to believe that religions way of thinking. I should know, I was raised a catholic and still practicing today. But I do not judge anyone for whatever spiritual belief they might have. If they want to worship L Ron Hubbard, then more power to them. I said it once and I'll say it again. Have a freaking life.

sara Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 03:51 PM EST

"The actress reportedly agreed not to talk to her new arrival for at least seven days in accordance with fiancé Tom Cruise's Scientology beliefs."

that says it all right there. The woman is being told not to bond with her own child. And she agrees to it?? That woman has no rights in regards to her own baby. It is sickening. How would any woman in her right mind want anything to do with this whack-job and his whack-job "religion"?

sara Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 03:38 PM EST

MJA, Scientology is a cult, and if Tom Cruise wants to be part of it, that's his business. However, now, he has also forced the idiot Katie Holmes into it, separated her from her beliefs and her family, and now an innocent child has ended up smack in the middle of this nightmare. He appears to be on a mission to indoctrinate the rest of the freaking world into it as well.

Yes, his actions bother a lot of people. You can call it sanctimonious if you wish. I, however, call it caring for the welfare of other human beings. One is an idiot who has only herself to blame. One is a defenseless child.

Jessica Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 03:37 PM EST

Hahaha I can't believe this. Born on the same day...that's hilarious.

Now, on a more serious note, in response to MJA's comment.

PLEASE read this link. No matter what you believe, there are things in this article that EVERYONE should know about Christianity AND about Scientology. "The actress reportedly agreed not to talk to her new arrival for at least seven days in accordance with fiancé Tom Cruise's Scientology beliefs."

I don't consider myself to be better than anyone as a Christian, which you seem to be implying (MJA). It is not a Christian thing to say that "they SHOULD do this, they SHOULD do that." But rather to spread the word about the eternal, undescribable peace and salvation that comes from living a life in Jesus Christ--a life that Katie Holmes once had--and hope that people will see that they DO need God in their lives. I wouldn't wish ill upon anyone, and while I don't agree with ANYTHING in the Scientology religion, I pray that Suri's parents will give her a happy life and that when she is old enough to decide, they will not abandon her if she decides to accept Christ as her Savior.

Philly Patri0t Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 03:36 PM EST

That is the kind of people who follow celebrity news, though, MJA... or didn't you know that? My girlfriend's parents are the same type of people. *sigh* I just got here from a link from Soxaholix, a Red Sox blog, so I definitely feel out of place on this message board. I shouldn't even post this, lest I be tainted by the evils of the entertainment scene and people not minding their own business.

MJA Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 02:58 PM EST

Oh my god, the comments here are so high and mighty. You guys needs to get a life pronto. It seems everyone here is perfect that you can comment on someone else's life and the choices they make. WHO CARES if they believe in scientology or whatever religion they choose. It's their life they can live it the way they want to. I feel sorry for YOUR children. Having parents that are so sanctimonious. Wishing ill on others is equally worst than whatever Tom Cruise said about depression. People get a life.

sara Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 02:43 PM EST

If Katie Holmes knew what was good for her she never wouldn't have given that creep the time of day let alone had a baby with him.

joanna.g Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 02:34 PM EST

If katie holmes knows whats good for her and her daughter she will pack her bags and tell tom crusi that se ya and go back to ohio where she can grow up in a good cristen family .

Sara Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 02:17 PM EST

That poor kid has no chance. Born to a psychopathic meglomaniac and a brain dead zombie of a mother. Hopefully when she's 18 she'll be able to break free from the insanity she's being forced into.

Sara Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 02:02 PM EST

Christine - I understand what you meant, but I think it's just cruel to wish ill on Katie solely because Tom is crazy. There are plenty of negative things we could all psychologically inflict on him that would have nothing to do with hurting her. She's a new mom, and has enough to deal with right now - recuperating, taking care of the baby, finishing the conversion to Scientology, getting ready for the wedding - without a bunch of people wishing a debilitating problem on her for the sole reason of getting back at that nutcase. Wishing PPD on HIM, however, is fair game in my book.

Lisa Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:59 PM EST

Tom? Yuck.

Katie? One day soon, she'll wake up and think, "Oh my -- what have I done?"

CEB Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:55 PM EST

Clearly, Tom and Katie did NOT go to that web site before naming their child, Mike.

Seeing as this would be Tommy's third marriage, and that he's turned into a complete Scientology nut (I can't believe Katie converted) IF they actually make it to the altar, I don't think they'll make it past five years. And Katie will dump Scientology. And Tom will be pissed...

Lu Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:54 PM EST

You know, the name Brooke gave her daughter is very common here in the deep South. We, though, spell it "Greer" instead of "Grier." Maybe they have a thing for Rosie.

sally Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:45 PM EST

Hey Mike--show some sensitivity! Little Suri can't help it if she was born with unusually long eyelashes and an thick, luxurious coat.

MonicaNichole03 Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:28 PM EST

This is the best publicity stunt ever!! Go Tom!

Mike Kennedy Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:21 PM EST

Please please please please and please go to this website...

http://www.surinetwork.org/

I love that they named their baby Suri especially after seeing this website. Man I hate Tom Cruise.

luv_my_junk Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:14 PM EST

this is freakin hilarious!!! THE IRONY POLICE-What a hoot!! Definately made my day!! I came over from Popsugar-totally worth the jump!!!

Fatima Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:57 PM EST

Oh, Grier can avoid being teased for her name if she claims she was named after the totally bad-ass Pam Grier. Of course, she'd probably have to tell those kids who that exactly is.

Allison Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:22 PM EST

Suri Cruise? Isn't that a city in upstate New York?

Lu Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 11:40 AM EST

Suri? I wonder if there's any fringe on top. Who know they were such musical theater fans.

coastal Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:56 AM EST

I saw a portion of Cruise's interview with Diane Sawyer where he claims that he's "close" to Katie's dad and whole family. First of all, the look on his face while answering said to me "DAMAGE CONTROL"! Not an ounce of truth or sincerity. Also, how could Katie's family be close to this guy when he won't baptize the child in HER faith? I'll bet they are LIVID.

Chris B. Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:33 AM EST

Rumor on Chicago radio is, not only did the mommies give birth on the same day, but at the same place, and even on the same floor! That would just be TOO much, if true! Can you see Brooke's hubbie running into Tom in the hallway?!

Howard Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:30 AM EST

Odds that Grier has an entourage in play group: 2-1 (Don't forget, her husband is co-creator of that series).

Odds that Suri will need the therapy that she won't be able to get: 3-2.

Odds that Katie abandons Scientology after a bout of PPD: 4-1.

Odds that Tom goes along with her: 20-1.

As I've usually told my friends, Cruise should have kept his mouth shut about post-partum until he got either a medical degree or a uterus. I hope that Katie doesn't have to deal with it, but if she does, I doubt that we'll hear about it unless she is able to handle it via Scientology's methods. Still, the fact that the TomKitten and Brooke's baby have the same birthday cracks me up.

e Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:30 AM EST

Will the truth ever come out that Katie was empregnated by a turkey baster? Also, when will Tom come out?

Delon Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:25 AM EST

Is it true that Tom wants to eat the baby's placenta?!?!

Christine Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:06 AM EST

In other words, it's not that I really wish for Katie to have PPD as much as I wish for Tom to have to deal with it.

dma69 Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:05 AM EST

This is TOO funny. What are the odds of two warring actors having babies the exact same day? Genius! Sheer genius!

Christine Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 08:59 AM EST

Hey, Sara, I've HAD postpartum depression, with two children. I'm just saying that Tom knows nothing about it, since his first two children were adopted, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Katie got it, because stress certainly has something to do with it. Many more women get it than actually admit it. Tom can't control Katie's hormones with his mind, so if she does get it, it will be interesting to see if Tom admits he was wrong about it, but I doubt it. (Thanks for your support, Amy.)

Coastal Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 08:14 AM EST

Interesting how you never see Nicole with those adopted kids anymore...Poor Katie, good thing your father is an attorney!!

Caroline Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 08:01 AM EST

Tom is a freak and Katie is in a coma. How nasty do you think the custody battle will be when she wakes up?

Amy Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 08:00 AM EST

Yes, Sara!! Let's be a twit and bash other people for giving their opinions!!

I hope Katie has postpartum, too, and see how Tom handles that!!

sally Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 08:00 AM EST

WOOOOO! WOOOOOO! TOM CRUISE, PULL OVER, THIS IS THE IRONY POLICE.

But officer, I wasn't doing anything ironic!

Son, do you have any idea how ironic you were going back there? First you spout off about post-partum depression, then you and your little lady here pop out a hatchling the same day as Brooke Shields.

That's not that ironic!

Now boy, I wasn't born yesterday, unlike your extremely ironic young'un. Please step out of the delivery room and place your hands on Ryan Seacrest's behind. Hey now, no sudden moves. And please put on your pants. We don't take no truck with tighty-whiteys in this town.

pn Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 07:59 AM EST

Forget Paris and Nicole.......It's now Suri and Grier, "The Suril life 7", classic makings for hit reality show (half of profits go to the church of scientology).

Sara Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 07:56 AM EST

Yes, Christine! Let's all wish post-partum depression and other mental illnesses on a 27-year-old actress, just because her choice of mate is one who's totally insane! Why wish bad things on the person who's the actual problem (him), when we can wish them on a new mother who just undergone a silent birth with a pacifier and no epidural! BRILLIANT!

Leave her alone.

Christine Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 07:28 AM EST

I hope Tom has to deal with some postpartum depression from Katie--he deserves it after all his nasty comments--he clearly knows nothing about it.

Aramis Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:32 AM EST

Oh....drats! What, no stake through the heart to bring baby Suri into the world?

I mean, how is a seemingly human baby to survive with two vampires for parents?

I guess I can't be so judgemental. I'm sorry. It was wrong of me...after all, Heather did have two mommies. I should be more accepting of the abnormal (the hellspawn of TomKat, that is).

Don Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 10:37 PM EST

What if in 20 years Brooke Shield's baby and the Tomkitten had this cool, Matrix-esque flying kung-fu fight for our souls?

That'd be so cool.

anna Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 10:29 PM EST

love Suri!

Martin Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:26 PM EST

Just think of all the money both couples will save on joint b-day parties. Grier + Suri = BFF!

The Other Kyle Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:04 PM EST

I believe I brought this to attention in the previous PopWatch news item comments.

You're welcome EW.

Michael B. Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 08:52 PM EST

That is great. Lol. You just made my day.