Joss Whedon on Angel's superiority: 'There's no Edward Cullenus'

Speaking to MTV News before he went inside EW’s Comic-Con party (and danced!), Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon discussed the Twilight phenomenon and who would win in a fight: Angel (David Boreanaz) or Edward (Robert Pattinson). Of course, you’re gonna play the recently-posted video below to hear Whedon’s answer, since he sounds so… Joss, but in case you’re in a rush: Whedon says he thought he’d be laughed out of the room when he created the character of Angel, a vampire with a soul who romances a slayer, but clearly he was wrong. Of the vampire-human love connection, he says, “There’s something really timeless about it. I saw Twilight, I was like [pretends to be breathless] ‘She loves him so much!’ There’s something primal about that story. You can’t get away from it, and it just works like gangbusters. I love it.”

And who would win the fight? “I think Robert Pattinson’s really cool; Angel would kick the s— out of him,” Whedon told MTV News. “Okay, he’s Angelus. There’s no Edward Cullenus, okay. He just gets shiny in the sun…. Boreanaz would have him down in a heartbeat. No offense, ’cause he’s hot.”

We all agree with Joss, yes? Even if Angel didn’t tap into Angelus, he spends every day fighting other vampires and demons, so that experience would counter Edward’s speed.


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  • Vicky

    :) Joss is awesome.

  • Caledonia

    Seconded, Vicky. Joss rocks.

  • Lindsey

    Fantastic! It’s so true. Angel is by FAR the superior vampire. Also, he doesn’t sparkle so that already gives him a check in the win column.

  • Brittany

    True, but Edward can read Angelus’ mind. Let’s not forget that tiny little detail….

    • Lindsey

      The way Angelus’ mind works, he would probably makes Sparkles cry with his thoughts.

      • Phoebe

        That comment made my day. LMAO

    • Anya

      But, vampires’ minds can’t be read, as shown in the Buffy season 3 episode Earshot. There’s so much inconsistencies between their worlds, like sparkling in the sun. They burn.

    • Jen

      True Edward can read minds, but Angel would figure that out quickly and then stop him. Besides there was an episode in Buffy were she got the power to read minds and Anel was unreadable.

    • Mike Scrase

      I doubt Eddy would be able to react quickly enough to Angel’s thought paterns for that to make a difference. I mean, by the time you hear someone think “okay I’m going to punch them in the face” they’ve already punched you in the face. Besides, in a fight you aren’t carefully planning out every move in advance, you’re just acting on instinct.

    • Dru

      Nu uh, if you’ve seen all of the episodes you’ll remember in the episode ‘Earshot’ Buffy got the aspect of the demon and was unable to read Angel’s mind. Fail. His mind, much like Captain Jack Harkness’, is unreadable. And he’d kick Edward’s ass.

  • alexandra

    ah, ha ha. this is awesome. so true.

  • mscisluv

    The funny thing is he admits to really enjoying Twilight, with the caveat that Edward is kind of a wimp.

  • Dee

    I agree with Joss…Angel/Angelus will always and forever be my #1 fav vampire…I mean don’t get me wrong… I LUV me some EC, but Angel is just a bad ass..and the leather pants…ohhh!

    So now the question is…throw Spike, Eric and Bill up in there…hummmmm…
    I wish MTV’s Celebrity Death Match was still on…

    • amybraves10

      Yes, that’s a match I would want to see…Angel and Spike vs. Bill and Eric…awesomeness defined :)

      • strickens_girl

        Just the thought of that gives me such a happy!

  • pop

    I was stuck here trying to give my opinion in a non repetitive way but there is really no better way than Vicky’s: Joss is awesome!
    and i don’t think he is saying that Edward is a wimp but that Angel is probably more vicious.
    It would be a good fight to watch though, Angel is more bad ass, but sun, holy water or a piece of wood through the heart would kill him. Edward has the hole speed and need tearing-to-pieces-and-burning to die.
    but what matters here is: Joss is awesome! :)

    • mscisluv

      Good point: Whedon’s vampires get killed a lot more easily!

      • Mike Scrase

        True but that doesn’t garentee a win. If they’re fighting at night and Cullen doesn’t just happen to have a stake on him (which he probably wouldn’t since he’s a vampire himself/how often do you see a stake in real life), then Angel is unkillable unless Ed beheads him. And Angel isn’t going to just stand there and let him do that. Holy water and crosses don’t see to be lethal to vampires in the Buffyverse. Holy water can be fatal but only if it’s ingested (ala Helpless).

        It’s only the rookie vampires that are easy to kill really. You might think Buffy vamps are easy to kill because there are four or five ways to polish them off, but how many ways do humans have of dying? Thousands.

        Is it ever established how vampires die in Twilight? I’ve seen the movie but never read any books.

  • Amy

    What if Angel and Edward were fighting astronauts and cavemen, who would win? And would Edward or the astronauts have weapons?

    • Rebecca

      Ha ha! I just re-watched that episode the other day!

    • Lindsey

      Hahaha AMAZING! Spike and Angel’s bickering was always the highlight of the show!

  • strickens_girl

    I love Joss. And yes, Angel or Angelus, Edward would get his little sparkly butt handed to him. It wouldn’t be much of a fight but I’d still pay to see it. :)

  • Martha

    AWSOME, LOVELY JOSS.
    and completely true. haha

  • Jackie

    Here’s the thing, though, about who would win in a fight: Angelus or Edward – if they kept their powers and vulnerabilities from their respective vampire universes, Edward would probably win. Even being as bad-ass as he is, Angelus has WAY more vulnerabilities: sunlight, beheading, stake through the heart, holy water, etc. In the “Twilight” world, vampires are damn near indestructable. All Edward would have to do would be drag him out in the sun, stake him, or cut his head off, and the fight’s pretty much over. Plus, he’s got speed and can read minds.

    • Mike Scrase

      Edward has more powers. But Angel is a warrior. Edward is an emo. Ed has the superior brawn but Angel has the superior skill.

  • Amy

    Joss is totally right (and awesome as everyone else said). Angel or Angelus would both win (and I love Edward as well). He is just bad as* personified.

  • Shasta

    Angel would win cuz he’s a “Champion.” Blergh.

  • Mary

    Angel is the hottest vampire ever. I love me some Edward but Angel would kick the crap out of him!

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