'The Dark Knight': Did the hype ruin it for you?

Colin Farley Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 03:30 PM EST

it certainly would have been a huge hit, definitely the biggest of 2008, because of the large number of repeat ticket buyers the movie had. What made it a phenomenon was the curiosity surrounding Heath Ledger's performance. Without an opening weekend in the $150-160 million range, it would've come close to the $400 million mark, which is still gargantuan.

Vicki Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 05:47 PM EST

I really didn't like The Dark Knight at all. I'm a huge batman fan but I thought that the movie was at least an hour too long and the acting by Christian Bale was awful-who's usually great. I also think that Heath Ledger was over-rated he played crazy well, but I don't see Oscar worthy.

Darren Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:47 PM EST

I can certainly relate to being disappointed in a movie that was over-hyped. That is exactly how I felt about Titanic. I was thrilled to see that The Dark Knight seemed able to outgross it. Sadly, it could not.

I do think The Dark Knight lives up to hype, though. I think the performances, the cinematography, and even the score all staggeringly captivating. I was so entertained by the movie I could forgive the fact that the last 30 minutes are a little weak.

I would highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys any of the following: a strong ensemble cast, superhero movies, cinema with dark social commentary, or even a love triangle hidden within a thriller.

Truck Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:48 PM EST

Where exactly is the DVD review? I cant find a word regarding featurettes,the director's commentary (or lack thereof), inclusion of a digital copy,et al.

This article is nothing more than an empty, opinionated review of the film itself. And to say that the success of this film is predicated on the death of Mr Ledger, is an insult him, Mr. Nolan and everyone who enjoyed the heck out of this film.

Do us all a favor and do what you are paid to do. Leave the FILM reviews to people more qualified to do so...

Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:52 PM EST

I love Joker best!!

Daniel Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:59 PM EST

Derek L., How the heck can you say TDK was a disappointment of '08? There is no way that it is disappointing. BATMAN IS EPIC!

Derek L. Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 01:00 PM EST

I agree to some extent. Although the film received a massive amount of pre-release hype, I tried not to wrap myself up in it too much. I've been a Batman fan for a long, long time, and I thought that "Batman Begins" got the character absolutely right. At the very least, I expected it to be on the level with that film. As it turned out, it wasn't even close. The major problem was that the Harvey Dent/Two-Face storyline simply was not necessary and should have been saved for a later installment. I have no quibbles with the performances, but this film had major problems. All in all, one of the most disappointing films of 2008.

Muffy Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:56 PM EST

Classic, Classic, Classic!

Cheryl Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:25 AM EST

I agree with you 100%. I was amazed at Heath Ledger and I loved Michael Caine, but the rest of the movie was just good. I didn't think it was AMAZING as so many people were saying, but I still enjoyed it. To me, the hype didn't ruin it... but it sure did disapoint me to some degree.

Normalman Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 04:12 PM EST

Absolutely agree. I also just saw it and while it was enjoyable it was just too much of a mess. First it was more Harvey Dent's story then Batman's. Batman almost seemed to disappear behind his mask and his high tech gimmicks. Second, while Ledger was a fine Joker, for a guy who does know planning, he managed to do a whole ton of stuff that would require an army to plan and pull of.

AJZepp Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 02:18 PM EST

No offense, but this is one of the most pointless articles ever. It's like seeing pictures of a girl your friends want to hook you up with, and listening to them sing her praises for six months before you finally meet her. Then when you finally DO meet her, you can't help but be disappointed that she's not as perfect as you thought she'd be. If you aren't going to evaluate things objectively and without the influence of hype and sizzle, you are setting yourself for disappointment regardless.

Old School Mike Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 05:04 PM EST

Very good movie, but way overhyped. Batman Begins was and is the pinnacle of the superhero movie. The Dark Knight, despite greater critical praise, failed to match the original. Ledger was great but the movie was only very good. A solid B+.

JC Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 04:32 PM EST

I thought the movie was alright. Ledger was great. The Two-face story line totally dragged the film down. Could not stand the way Bale talked as Batman. Definitely not a classic.

Manny Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 02:23 PM EST

You ruined this movie for yourself because nothing equals the hype.This is a classic film with direction that recalls other classics like Heat and Shane (that ending was a brilliant reworking of the latter).The script is so fast paced and yet each of the nearly dozen characters are all fleshed out. Bale's Batman may not be the best (I love Keaton's) but this is art, not a sport. You can't compare and if KEaton was in this movie his Batman wouldn't be better. I just feel like every critic is going out of their way to tell us how great this movie is yet not legit enough to be better than slightly above average art films like Milk (Sean Penn rocks though!).Frost/Nixon? Are you serious? These movies are good movies that critics love because they came out in December. And they seem to think they watch movies with an impartial viewpoint but bomb movies that do things they didn't expect. Look at the Bond movie.A damn good movie but since he's not being a wise ass every five minutes,it sucks!

tgriffin2009 Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 02:42 PM EST

I watched it on pay per view the day after Christmas because we were all in the mood for a good movie and after it finished all of us really didn't have anything to say good or bad. I honestly felt the joker to be the only actual entertaining factor in this film. The first Batman movie for Christian Bale "Batman Begins" balanced all the characters alot better than this movie did. In this one everyone was kinda dull except for the joker.

DF Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 02:40 PM EST

I have to disagree. I think that the reason this article was even writen was for an editors counterpint. Do you even agree with what you are writing Mike? And as i read through all the other comments about how good movies like Benjamin Button are i can't help but think about what a bunch of hypocrites people are. Button was the movie of the year if we are giving away awards for being long and boring. TDK was definatley a long movie but i never lost interest in it once, not for a single moment. When i saw it in theaters i didnt even think it was that long. EW needs to stop writing crap like this just to get people to talk because it is just trash plain and simple.

Sauer Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 09:04 PM EST

If any film was overhyped it had to have been TROPIC THUNDER, I still fail to see what is so amazing about this flick. To me it's was typical Stiller fare post MARY--loud, crude and obnoxious.

Korey Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 02:54 AM EST

Regarding all the hype: Ignore it. No movie can live up to all of that. I will tell you that The Dark Knight is a great movie and that you should have seen it on the big screen with an audience. Most anyone seeing it now for the 1st time will want to bash it because they didn't j*zz in their pants after viewing it.

KR Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 06:20 PM EST

To Cliene: Dent was not "left behind in the hospital . . . ALONE". The police officer clearly radios someone who was responsible to evacuate Dent--likely another officer--to verify Dent was evacuated, and he gets no response. The officer then goes into the hospital to verify that Dent was in fact evacuated, and that officer gets killed by the Joker disguised as a Nurse. So either the people assigned to evacuate Dent were killed off screen or they left him alone because the Joker and/or the Mob arranged it through the corrupt police department—like “The Godfather” scene with the Don in the hospital.

There is actually quite of lot of detail in the movie that easily explains many of the so-called “plot holes” listed in this forum.

Warren Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 01:51 PM EST

Ledger was great. The script was unfocused. The fight scenes a mess. I don't care for Bale as Bruce Wayne or Batman--although he had potential. And it's too long.

The Checkered Man Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM EST

Yes, Heath made a great Joker, a true psychopath worthy of the name. But the lapse in this film is BATMAN and in particular the "Bat-Voice". Bale & Nolan should be ashamed of themselves thinking this is suitable. It's so distracting and after multiple viewings becomes silly, and embaressing. Bale is a great actor and I'm 100% certain he is capable of better vocal work than this. I fondly look back on BATMAN:TAS when we'd see Bruce in the Bat-suit with his cowl back at his computer talking in the "bat-voice" then taking a phone call for Bruce Wayne and how brilliently Kevin Conroy switched between these two characters vocals making them strikingly different and providing a very special look into the fractured psyche of Bruce/Bats. Now that Batman is going to be featured more in Nolan's films (as opposed to the Bat-lite origin story) we need to be able to relate to him. He needs to sound human when talking with Gordon. Please fix this in future instalments Mr. Nolan and Mr. Bale.

cilene Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 09:12 PM EST

No. Actually the movie did it!

The movie made me laugh... and not a pleasant one. It was like... WTF they think they are doing? Please... call me a girl, but not stupid. How come you leave a cop INSIDE the cell holding a maniac? And a cell apparently WITHOUT LOCKS? Have they never watch any cop show like CSI, Law & Order... God... even Robocop????? Please... Harvey was the most important guy in Gotham... and he stayed behind in the hospital... ALONE? No cop to take care of him, even when a lunatic was free? Oh, please! Believe me, I almost left the theater in that moment! I do agree that Heath should be nominated and should win. Not because he is dead, but because he did a wonderful work... to beat Nicholson's Joker was not a pleasant work, but he did a different and credible Joker in this new batman universe.

Brandon Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 06:42 PM EST

If The Dark Knight was nearly as "great" as people say it is, than its always better to be on the "ehhh" side at first until you watch it. I personally thought it was too long. Also when Heath wasnt on screen, you just spent your time waiting for him to be, Batman wasnt even the star of this movie. Give the Best Picture to Danny Boyle already!!!!!

TAP Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 01:11 PM EST

First - the disguised voice of Batman was annoying and distracting - a bad "Clint Eastwood" type plus half the time you couldn't hear what he was saying. He really needed a Ricola :) One scene made me laugh out loud - When Dent says " I'm Batman!" Reminded me of the old TV Show "To Tell the Truth". The end - from not going back to the boats with the people on them - to the Joker left hanging seemed incomplete. The joker as a drag queen nurse was laughable as well. This movie was probably NOT finished before Heith Ledger died, and it showed. I felt like I
was getting sloppy seconds - from the plots, to the dialogue - it was poorly done.

Matt Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 04:48 AM EST

A few too many people drank the Kool-Aid here. The Dark Knight was a very well done, well produced, and well performed film. Despite his best efforts, ultimately Christopher Nolan directed a fairly predictable and intellectually dumbing film.

Far too often the film insists on creating a scenario that boggles the mind and destroys the reality Begins created. Bruce Wayne can find a group of South Korean smugglers to sneak him out of Hong Kong? Why not! The Joker can find a firetruck and light it ablaze before anyone notices? Sure! Hundred of Barrels of explosives can find their way onto the only two boats leaving Gotham CIty? Of Course!

The Dark Knight is a good movie, but this is not a cinematic classic by any means.

Lilly Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:46 AM EST

I completely agree with the writer of the column about hype ruining movies like TDK. As for people who didn't like or get TDK being condescending or snobs, I've found that many Dark Knight fans fit that description in their absolute devotion to the movie. And Batman IS a comic book character/superhero, but this movie seems to look down on those origins. Batman is a dark series, but this was over the top. Give me "Iron Man" any day of the week as an example of what a comic book superhero movie can aspire to. "Iron Man" was intelligent and FUN. And it honored its comic book origins, instead of trying to "rise above them".

David T Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:15 PM EST

Wow, there certainly a lot of opinions on this movie, which I would say is a success in itself. Me, I REALLY wanted to love this movie, as I felt the first one was a perfect template for how this genre should be. But it was like the creators forgot some of that in making The Dark Knight. First, there were huge continuity issues between this film and he first (Wayne Tower). Second, it never truly dove into the dark side of Harvey Dent (i thought the movie could spent time, say, why he was late for court showing a glimpse of his darker side, maybe working out boxing, and pummeling a guy with more anger than he should have). Also, I thought that the love of Dent and Rachel was never really exposed - she seemed torn between her long infatuation of Bruce, and this new fling with Dent. I thought the Hong Kong thing was all about showing "how cool is Batman" and felt like it should be in a 007 film. also, why blame Batman for Dent's death? Why not blame Joker or a mob guy - if youre gonna lie

Jen @Heather Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 05:31 AM EST

>>I spent 1/2 my brain power wondering if the mayor was Richard Alpert.<<

HILARIOUS. My sentiments exactly (although I thought the movie was tremendously awesome).

Sarah El Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 03:30 AM EST

Did I absolutely love The Dark Knight? Yes. Do I think it deserves a Best Picture Oscar? Maybe in a slower year, but having seen a few of the other Best Pic contenders I say that its best bet in that category is a nod, but not a statuette.

I saw The Dark Knight on opening night, midnight premiere, which I had never done for a movie before. And maybe it is my predisposition to superhero movies or action movies, but I loved the movie, and I went back to see it again in theatres and loved it just as much the second time. It isn't my favourite movie from this year, but it's in my top ten, for sure. I was afraid the hype was going to kill the movie, but I felt like it matched the hype it was given. Maybe if I had waited the experience wouldn't have been as great, as in your experience, but I felt like all the "it's going to be SO AWESOME" hype ended up being justified when I saw it.

And although the film itself isn't entirely deserving of an Oscar, Christopher Nolan and Heath Ledger are.

AK Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 03:28 PM EST

Wow, this post reflected my sentiments exactly (though I saw the movie back in August). After all the hype, I was underwhelmed, though I thought Heath Ledger was inarguably great.

Heather Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 01:55 PM EST

Huzzah! I'm not the only one who felt underwhelmed. I read all the critical praise and hear all the "Best Comic Book Movie Evaaah" rants and I think "Um, really?" I am one of the few who liked Batman Begins better. Christan Bale's Batman really disappointed me, Aaron Eckhart really astounded me more than Ledger (Making me wonder if Ledger hadn't died, then what would the reaction to Dark Knight really be), and I spent 1/2 my brain power wondering if the mayor was Richard Alpert.
I might have to see it again since I did watch it in a packed Cheeto smelling theater with a guy who convulsed in glee everytime Ledger made an appearance. However, will I still be as underwhelmed too? I think maybe.

Crystal Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 02:04 AM EST

I saw TDK the week after it opened and I think it is a good, not great movie. And as a "comic book" movie I think it is not good at all, it is an exceedingly dark drama really.

I don't understand people who have seen it over and over - who wants to be that depressed?? That being said, I thought HL and AE were excellent.

rma Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM EST

I am a little tired of the anti-Dark Knight backlash. This post wasn't necessarily bad, but there are a lot of folk who have gotten pretty condescending about their hatred of this "comic book" picture. There hasn't been a movie that has moved me the way this movie did in years. And shut your mouths about Ledger - it's unfair to call him "average" or "overrated". There's a refreshing boldness to what he accomplished both in Dark Knight and in Brokeback. It's a damned shame he left us - a true contributor. Someone who wasn't just interested in the celebrity of the business - he had something to offer. It's our loss. (Oh, and I just wanted to ask, if you waited this long to see The Dark Knight - what the hell are you doing writing for Entertainment Weekly?!)

Kara Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 09:53 PM EST

Kathleen - I totally agree with you. Dark Knight was not only a great superhero action movie, but also showed a remarkable amount of depth that raised questions about the good of humanity, etc. It was this complexity that transformed the movie from a good action movie to an extraordinary work of art - it will be a crime if it's not nominated for Best Picture.

bob Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 07:49 PM EST

Out of all the movies I've seen this year, this is my third favorite (behind Milk and Slumdog.) I think Heath Ledger deserves to win for Best Supporting Actor, but I don't think the film should win. I thought the last chunk with Two-Face seemed tacked on, because once The Joker was done with, the movie lost its momentum.

bill Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 01:46 PM EST

I couldn't agree more. I was actually bored with it at times. I could easily have been cut by at least a half hour.
Heath was okay (R.I.P.) but kind of "preachy" and wouldn't you have rather had Katie Holmes bite the dust, rather than Maggie.

Spot on Mike! Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:03 PM EST

I finally saw Dark Knight yesterday and agree with everything Mike Bruno said. I couldn't figure out why I was the only one who didn't like the movie but apparently I'm not.

raphael Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 06:10 AM EST

Veronica Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 04:30 PM EST

Did Luscious character quit, did Bruce Wayne learn how Rachel really loved Harvey? And is Harvey Dent dead. It stank!
To Veronica the lady who wrote the jargon in quote. I think you should get your I.Q checked seriously. Did lucious quit, did u hear him say as long as this machine is at wayne enterprises I wont be. Did you see him punch in his name and the machine get fried. What do you deduce from that huh? ofcourse he stayed on there was no machine. Did wayne learn that rachel actually loved harvey, um duh he didnt. The only proof that she did was burnt by his butler alfred for gods sake. And finally is Harvey dent dead. Like duh he fell from all the way up there, afterall he's only human. Are you blind, why dont you try jumping of a tall building and see if you live to tell the tale. Jeez woman you suck big time, get a translator next time you go see a movie, if there isnt one for movies probably there should be for stupid people like you!

Kathleen McDeavitt Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:37 AM EST

Ok, so there have been many films that have artfully blurred the line between good and evil, and there have also been some that have stripped society down to its essential core by depicting a chaotic desperation in which a struggle between survival instinct and empathetic selflessness defines what it means to be human. Dark Knight was a spectacularly entertaining superhero movie that managed to do both of these things (while also throwing in some timely sociopolitical commentary, eye-popping action, and plain, painful human tragedy). Which constitutes one of the reasons why this stunningly complex hybrid of a film, the eptiome of its genre's potential, rich in human drama and thematic quandaries, is the best film of 2008.

Kk Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM EST

Gordon Jr.: Why's he running, Dad?
Lt Gordon: Because we have to chase him.
Gordon Jr.: He didn't do anything wrong.
Lt. Gordon: Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

Jakerr99 Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:47 PM EST

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!! I'm sorry,guys. I went into this expecting to be blown away. Parts did. Most parts dragged by. Ledger was great. Bale good. Gylenhaal arf, arf. What happened to her? A big time snoozefest.

Dark Crap Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:49 PM EST

‘The Dark Knight’ deserves an award - most OVERRATED movie of the decade. Ledger’s performance was average, so was rest of the movie.
Some good scenes, but overall NOTHING to deserve so much attention.
Other Batman movies were much better, for their time.

Jim Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 09:57 AM EST

I have to say that I normally dislike special effect super hero type movies. I just never got into them . . . until now! This is a powerful movie on several levels and the acting by Ledger is down right amazing. When it was over I turned it on again because I couldn't get enough of Ledger. That rarely happens to me and the last time it did was "no country for old men" and watching Javier Bardeem. Maybe I just like watching villians insted of hero's. I don't know but I highly recommend it.

Justin M. Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 01:08 AM EST

Have to disagree with you here. I knew, like you, that The Dark Knight was a really good movie on first viewing, but it's been in the repeat viewings on DVD that one gets to truly appreciate what Nolan has accomplished here.

The plot is labyrinthine, but every line, every plot point, makes absolute sense, when you give the film the necessary scrutiny. Were it not for Ledger's performance, we'd still be talking about the high quality of the rest of the cast putting in work that would be among their best in their considerable careers.

Even at it's considerable length, there isn't a bit of fat. Every scene, and every line of dialog either develops character, pushes plot, or does both. It's a grand piece of architecture.

There are few big budget films that pull off what this one did, and though I haven't seen any of the Oscar bait films this year, I can't see The Dark Knight suffering from comparison to any of them. There are too many pros and no real weaknesses.

Mark L. Power Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:59 PM EST

The script for this movie was somewhat simplistic with its naive and politically correct concept of the inherent goodness of mankind but the acting and the direction by Chris Nolan went completely in the other direction ignoring the words and through the power of its dark enigmatic images gave us a brilliantly mordant fable of all our fears. Add to that the great acting by Ledger and others and you have a wonderful film if you follow Nolan's lead and ignore the plot and the dialogue.

The bob Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 09:10 PM EST

I made the mistake of reading the reviews of this movie before I saw it and that made it impossible for me to see the movie with my own eyes. I rented it this past week and after watching it several times I think I am finally starting to get past the hype, finally starting to "see" it from my own perspective, that of a comics fan. From that point of view it's a FUN movie, not some deep, moving, downer type of movie that I was told to expect. Maybe if you could reset your expectations, and just watch it as a comics movie and forget all the pretensions, maybe you could enjoy it a lot more.
Don't take it too seriously. I was expecting a deadly serious movie and because of that I missed most of the humor the first few times I watched it, but trust me, this is a slyly funny movie. For example, the Mayor is played by Nestor Carbonell, who years ago played "Batmanuel" on "The Tick". No way that is a coincidence. And that is just one example.
Get your mind right and this is a fun movie.

Aaron Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 08:16 PM EST

Dude, the Hype didnt ruin it, and Harvey dent plot was important to the storyline if not the only reason this film was able to go in the direction it did. Ledger great joker (fyi i dont care how my spelling came out)

Jack Thompson Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 05:04 PM EST

The Dark Knight was awesome. From a personal standpoint, almost every negative review I've heard about TDK came from women. And most of the comments below just proved me right. Which is why they could probably be ignored.

What's the matter? The death of Rachel Dawes was a bummer for female audiences? I dunno. You tell me.

Veronica Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 04:30 PM EST

I agree in a way with you. I tried three times to see this big Batman movie and every time I go a little further. I tried the weekend it came out to see it sold-out that night(like you could not get babysitter to stay longer). Next time I got off early from work on 4th of July and went to theatre but the movie had been played so much at the fundraiser for the Harvey Dent character it just froze so I got money back went home. Last night I finally got past that scene to the end and I like you... other than Heath's mesmerizing portrayal of the best "Joker" ever!! The movie stank. It was way too long and after all the realilty of the themes I found the make-up comical (Tommy Lee Jones make-up for his two-face was much better. It left with way many questions. 1) What happen to Joker after Batman left to find Gordon's family. Did Luscious character quit, did Bruce Wayne learn how Rachel really loved Harvey? And is Harvey Dent dead. It stank!

Veronica Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 04:30 PM EST

I agree in a way with you. I tried three times to see this big Batman movie and every time I go a little further. I tried the weekend it came out to see it sold-out that night(like you could not get babysitter to stay longer). Next time I got off early from work on 4th of July and went to theatre but the movie had been played so much at the fundraiser for the Harvey Dent character it just froze so I got money back went home. Last night I finally got past that scene to the end and I like you... other than Heath's mesmerizing portrayal of the best "Joker" ever!! The movie stank. It was way too long and after all the realilty of the themes I found the make-up comical (Tommy Lee Jones make-up for his two-face was much better. It left with way many questions. 1) What happen to Joker after Batman left to find Gordon's family. Did Luscious character quit, did Bruce Wayne learn how Rachel really loved Harvey? And is Harvey Dent dead. It stank!

Tomforaf37 Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 04:26 PM EST

First of all why does this article exsist? I undertstand if your busy as a critic and can't make it to the movies. It's your job however. I'm in the Air Force and that would be me saying I forgot my weapon or something. it's just dumb to write this dumb article in order to get it read.

Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 04:01 PM EST

One of the greatest films of all time for me. The majority of people were blown away by it even with all of the hype. It will remain my best film and many others greatest film also.

Kyle Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:53 PM EST

Think about movies that have one an Academy award in the past. I still can't get over the awful Shakespeare in Love movie...It's a great movie, and deserves to be recognized as such. As for long movie times. I like long movies. There's more time for character development and they don't feel rushed. Not to mention if I'm going to spend $11 on a movie I would like it to last longer then something on TV.

Fred Garvin Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:35 PM EST

When I first saw DK I felt the same as the article writer: entertained but not blown away. But then I bought the DVD and watched it again, and again, and again.... it's a well crafted, multi-layered film. There are so many details to this film that you miss so much of it the first 2 or 3 times through. The true hero of the film is actually Gary Oldham as Chief Commish Gordon. Excellent film. All great work should not be easily regarded the first time it's observed. I did the same thing when I saw Nolan's "Memento" the first time, I was slightly annoyed but knew I was watching something amazing.

George N Huftalen Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:02 PM EST

I too, finally saw The Dark Knight over the Holiday weekeend(it was a Christmas Gift)and was underwhelmed. I thought it a very good film, a little long and while Heath Ledger was excellent, I was puzzled by the "to-do"...Until...I decided, that since I missed it in the theatre and was downloading the digital copy that was boxed with the film, that I needed a second look. I now feel differently. Batman was in the movie for very little screen time and I noted more concentration on the rest of the cast. This is not a "Batman" film, but an excellent crime drama about a city that is trying to clean up crime only to have a new player without rules overturn their apple-cart. In my youth, I was a comic-reader/collector and I also, after a second viewing, believe that Ledger's portrayal is the first to ruly capture the madness, scariness and futility of the Joker and what Gotham, Gordon and Batman are up against. Kudos! I hope it wins Best Picture!

George N Huftalen Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:02 PM EST

I too, finally saw The Dark Knight over the Holiday weekeend(it was a Christmas Gift)and was underwhelmed. I thought it a very good film, a little long and while Heath Ledger was excellent, I was puzzled by the "to-do"...Until...I decided, that since I missed it in the theatre and was downloading the digital copy that was boxed with the film, that I needed a second look. I now feel differently. Batman was in the movie for very little screen time and I noted more concentration on the rest of the cast. This is not a "Batman" film, but an excellent crime drama about a city that is trying to clean up crime only to have a new player without rules overturn their apple-cart. In my youth, I was a comic-reader/collector and I also, after a second viewing, believe that Ledger's portrayal is the first to ruly capture the madness, scariness and futility of the Joker and what Gotham, Gordon and Batman are up against. Kudos! I hope it wins Best Picture!

milo Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:39 AM EST

this is a great movie and should get nominated.

michele Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:44 AM EST

I finally saw the Dark Knight "on demand". Ledger's portrayal of the Joker was so maniacal it made the movie so dark and violent that the movie was not "fun". I can't help but wonder if Mr. Ledger had not unfortunately passed away if his portrayal would have been as well received. I do think his dark portrayal seemed to mirrored his strategic end and maybe that is why it has been so well received.

It is so sad that his life ended so young and that it has been so intertwined with this role. He was a talented actor.

Unfortunately, this is the first time I can say I will not watch a Batman movie again.

Clay Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 02:45 AM EST

I just read Schwartzbaum's "10 Best and Worst" Coulmn where DK went in as 3rd best and 7P was 2nd worst. A paradoxical positioning, as both films are overwritten, overly-indulgent, talky yet essentially vague and sophomoric on complex morality, and about 30 minutes too long.

For my money, I preferred 7lbs because A) I'm a sentimental fellow at heart, and B) It was about ten times more believable. Which isn't saying much.

shaunte Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:54 AM EST

even if he didn't die he would still get praised because he played the joker so good! but i think the two face thing was a bit off, for me. he deserves the oscar. most of the movies that gets nominated aren't even ones most people even watch. if the dark knight does get nominated me and others would be really happy!

Richard Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:01 PM EST

and i gotta say the fact that people are saying this movie is too long well i think people nowadays are more used to movies that last like an hour and a half but back in the 90s and before movies usually were two hours to two hours and 8 mins sure Dark Knight is longer but still and another thing if you notice all the greatest movies (like the godfather for example) were 2 and a half hours long so yea thats another Sign BTW that The Dark Knight Deserves Oscars (yes Plural)

Ryan Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:59 PM EST

i think its stupid if the dark knight does not win best picture because all these new movies that are coming out like bejamin button and revolutionary road , are not living up to the critical acclaim. Its sad because these movies are gonna get nominated for best picture and the dark knight has had more critical and commercial sucess.

Mystic Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 08:23 PM EST

This movie was way too longand should have been named "the Joker" because there was not much Dark Knight in it. Cutting aout 30-45 minutes would have made it a more cohesive movie. The prisoner scene and the Two-Faced storyline adding nothing to the overall movie.

Vanos Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 07:59 PM EST

I like you, did not see the movie until just yesterday. I never cared much about Heath Ledger, but, I do have do say his portrayel of the Joker was more than worth of Oscar nomination, if not outright win. He nailed the part perfect.

dark knight lbc Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 05:34 PM EST

Sounds like he was looking not to like it from the begining. He's probably one of those suckers that keeps saying Iron man was good, can anyone say "begins" rip off, becuse Robert Downey Jr is so compelling, even if the movie was crap. Didnt he just do a Christian Bale copy of an orgin story.

Ellipsian Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 05:16 PM EST

*caliber*

Ellipsian Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 05:15 PM EST

"The Dark Knight" would still have been one of the top three movies of the year, even without the tragedy of Heath's passing. That said, his death brought more gravity to the film, and the fact that his performance was nothing short of a tour-de-force lent added credibility (though it was never lacking in gravity nor credibility to begin with).
Yes, I was a bit underwhelmed overall, what with the white-hot hype surrounding the movie, but the film as a whole--and Ledger's award-calibur performance in particular--deserves to stand as one of the year's best. (Also, can we give Aaron Eckhart some of his due, please? The man rocked it.)

sarah Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 05:06 PM EST

this movie was my favorite and always will be i loved it so mucgh. the joker did a great job

sarah Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 05:06 PM EST

this movie was my favorite and always will be i loved it so mucgh. the joker did a great job

Wabbit87 Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:53 PM EST

I have to say that Dark Knight was one of the BEST movies I have ever seen Ledger was amazing as the Joker

aaron welch Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:39 PM EST

This was the best movie I have seen in a long time because of the depth to it. If that was not enough for you out of a comic book movie maybe this planet doesn't have what you need and you should leave.

thomas Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:34 PM EST

Yes, I agree the film may have been overhyped a little, mainly because of Heath Ledger's passing.

But it's still an excellent movie. I doubt it'll win Best Picture this year (hope it's a strong contender for a nomination, though), but Chris and Jonathan Nolan definitely deserve a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar.

Firestrings Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:03 PM EST

The Dark Knight is the second highest grossing film of ALL TIME! Need I say more? The hype machine is a problem because people can get jaded quickly, but that's the nature of advertisement. People need to learn how not to let their minds get eaten by what articles or critics say and come up with their own conclusions when watching a film. Either way,I will say it again, second highest grossing movie of all time.

jennifer Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 03:59 PM EST

no question bout it should win Best picture for the Oscar's those actors made that film great...Christian Bale(best batman) Joker(to me Heath Ledger)...deserves everthing money and Oscar

jennifer Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 03:59 PM EST

no question bout it should win Best picture for the Oscar's those actors made that film great...Christian Bale(best batman) Joker(to me Heath Ledger)...deserves everthing money and Oscar

Julie Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 03:45 PM EST

I think that the Movie would have been even BIGGER had Heath still been alive. It would be much easier to celebrate his performance with him here. His untimely death has added a saddness to the Movie. I myself LOVED it in the Theater and at home on DVD. I can't wait until my boys are old enough to share this Movie. Christopher Nolan does an amazing job far better than Burton's take on Batman. As far as Ledger- No Joker will ever compare, he was AMAZING and I miss him greatly!

Sven Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 03:16 PM EST

Watching a movie because someone told you it was great invariably ends in disappointment. That's because when your friend saw it opening, they likely had no idea what they were in for, and had their expectations exceeded. They turned around and told everyone and their mother "You HAVE to watch TDK! It's the BEST MOVIE EVER!"

The lesson? Not sure if there is one. You can't blame the first guy for gushing.

Rye Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:46 PM EST

"Ruined?" Are you that fragile?

You either like a movie or you don't.

justine Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:43 PM EST

I actually agree with the writer. Heath was really good, and I think he should be recognized for his performance. He was definitely the best thing about the movie, but I have wondered myself whether this film would've been so epic if he hadn't died.

Shawn Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:42 PM EST

I couldn't agree more! This was so over-hyped, I was expecting a divine experience of epic proportions.

The film is good, a solid B. Ledger was incredible and deserves all the accolades. However, the movie overall was WAY too long. I think they could have reduced this to 100-110 minute movie and released this "theatrical" version as an extended version.

Also, Bale started to grade on my nerves mid movie with his grumbling Batman voice - sounds like he has a cold. He needs to work on this. All other performances are good.

Cheers

Mark Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:29 PM EST

Maybe the writer didn't like it because he was occupied with his two year-old. By the way, who hired this guy?? A guy who doesn't go to the movies is giving his opinion on a movie that came out a year ago??

maria Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:16 PM EST

how about all the hype for twilight you guys were giving it and that movie sucked ass. talk about a bad movie right there.

JRock Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:08 PM EST

I agree...no matter the size of your tv, this is a movie better suited for theatres. TwoFace's CGI and make up looked awesome. My only complaint with the movie was that he (TwoFace) is likely not to appear in any more. Everony goes crazy for Ledger, who yes, did a great job, but Aaron Eckhardt was fantastic.

If this movie wins an Oscar, it will not be for one performance but for all who brought it out and tied it together. Even if Ledger hadn't passed away, the accolades would still be pouring in.

Chris Price Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:00 PM EST

Damn, people really suck.

steve-o Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:47 PM EST

"i also found it too long."
"two-face's CGI was terrible."
"what was wrong with batman's voice."
"i couldn't follow the story."
"too dark."
wow . . . and i thought my jokes were bad. for all those who felt the movie failed to live up to the hype, maybe you should direct your business elsewhere. go purchase "mama mia" & prepare to be mezmerized by the enchanting songs; rent "spiderman 3" again & marvel at the CGI action sequences & accompanying love triangle; go see "the curious case of benjamin gump" or "gran torino" while the films are in select theatres & tell your friends you saw it during it's limited release.
and how high were these expectations? did you expect to come out of the theatre with a new perspective on life? on the concept of good & evil? did you expect the dvd to provide you with a formula to predict saturday's winning lottery numbers? if so, you may have been disappointed . . .
if your the other 95% who saw the movie, however, chances are it delivered.

Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:34 PM EST

Reviewing a movie you watched on a TV is like reviewing a restaurant on the nuked contents of a doggy bag.

Ani Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:13 PM EST

I hated it. I thought it was boring, long and extremely predictable. YES predictable. More than half the things I guessed before they happened. And the horrible CGI on the two face man...oh man, I could not take him seriously.

Heath ledger was awesome though.

Luis Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:09 PM EST

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Dr.007 Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:03 PM EST

This film had nicely woven story lines and really well played roles that had synergy. The story and themes were beyond typical comic book movies and were well realized. . I didnt find the Godfather II comparisons to be so far fetched. It was the best picture I saw with more depth but more depressing than Slumdog Shakespear in love or the Curious Case of Benjamin Gump -

Sarah Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:57 PM EST

I'm not disputing that this was an awesome film, but I was sadly disappointed and I can only put that down to ridiculously high expectations on my part. I wish I'd seen it months ago, because I spent a large portion of my viewing trying to work out what it was that made it so fantastic. It isn't the film's fault that it was given this much hype, it's just, as has been said before me, the nature of the business.

Chaz Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM EST

This movie and Heath Ledger will forever be thought of as brilliant by the masses...for pretty much the same reason Nirvana and Kurt Cobain will be.

Stevie Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:45 PM EST

The Dark Knight was one of those movies that HAD to be seen in a movie theater that has digital surround sound. The action cannot be replicated in a home viewing unless you have a $30k sound system.

Paul Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:38 PM EST

It is rightly deserving of an Oscar nomination. Before Ledger's death, this movie was well talked about. I didn't go trying to see someones last performance. Rather, I was going in hopes of an awesome action flick. I feel it was a lot more than that mainly thanks to Christopher Nolan. Everyone sings Ledger's praises, as he deserves it, but Nolan's prowess in creating a realistic Gotham City and a movie with social subtext, even if it's a little thin here and there, is an impressive piece of film making. It bridges art and entertainment perfectly. Worth a nomination even if it's just because it captured the attention of the nation and the world. Look at Titanic, a far less superior film. It won best picture. Why couldn't The Dark Knight do that?

NY Johnny Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:37 PM EST

People, people...all this arguing...why so serious?

Amanda Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:36 PM EST

I thought that the movie dragged a little bit the first time I saw but with multiple viewings it definitely feels shorter. And I think Christan Bale makes a great Batman and Bruce Wayne. And I definitely think hype can ruin our expectations. It did for me with the Curious Case of Benjamin Button. Everyone fell over with praise for it but I thought it wasn't anything to write home about. So I guess it depends on our views. Though I haven't seen all the Oscar contenders either, I feel that the Dark Knight is still the best movie I've seen this year.

elly Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:35 PM EST

I like Batman in general; really enjoy Chris Nolan's work, and the first time I saw TDK, I felt disappointed. Then I saw it again, a month later, and I decided it was as perfect a film as can be. I think a big part was, it's such a tense movie that I couldn't really appreciate it the first time because I was so freaked about what the Joker would pull (or not pull...) next. When I knew *how* it would play out, I was able to sit back and marvel at just how well it played out - which was, extremely. My husband found the same thing. I was disappointed with Harvey the first time too, until I realized that I was expecting TDK to be 'The Long Halloween', which it wasn't. I recommend a second watch - it may change your tune. :)

Fil Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM EST

At last a message board thread to gather up the minority of viewers who just didn't get it. Frankly, it's insulting to assume that 90% of the moviegoing public (and critics) was drinking the FlavorAid when they gushed about the movie. So please, people, continue to demonstrate your ignorance with your myopic reviews here.

Brian_izzle Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:28 PM EST

how pathetic.....I love it how people jump the Band wagon on everything, Someone writes a Column about how the movie didn't fill their own expectaions to contradict the masses and then those some contradicting pundits join in ....I would like to ask this ....what the hell do you really expect from a COMIC BOOK adapted movie? really? ...Are you kidding me Bruno? its not the Films fault for the over hype and Heath Ledger deserves to win regardless of the sad outcome of his death ...I would have seen this movies beacuse Batman Begins was amazing as well ....so spare me all these ridiculous comments about how the movie wasn't all that great ....you want over hype Watch the crap that is TWILIGHT....you wanr over the top bad acting and predictable story lines watch Spider Man 3....but please get out this chat blog if you think that this movie didn't raise the bar for any Super hero movie , its just sad ...hype is caused by people not the film itself....get over yourselfs...

allen Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM EST

lord of the rings was too long when didn't should't be that long my ass started to hurt bad but that movie was nominated for best picture so why the hell not the dark knight

Mike Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM EST

I agree. Heath's performance was incredible, but all the rest of the movie was average. The fakey invincibleness of the Joker (everyone in the police station is hurt by the bomb but him? He's able to hide a dozen bombs in a hospital and no one notices? etc.) The tongue flicking got tiresome. Batman's weird voice was sometimes not understandable. Yes, it was too long. It was a good movie, but not a great one.