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Hollywood conservatives: Come out of the closet and be heard!

Oct 22, 2008, 07:11 AM | by Gary Susman

Categories: Current Affairs, Film, Politics as Entertainment

Jonvoight_l Back in 1996, I was lucky enough to get to interview Charlton Heston, who, at the time, was still a much-in-demand character actor (he made three movies that year) and also at the height of his outspoken political advocacy for the right. He complained to me that conservatives in Hollywood felt besieged and believed they wouldn't get jobs if their politics were known. "There are more conservatives in the closet in Hollywood than there are homosexuals," he said, repeating a line he'd used in many a stump speech. But surely, I said, his implied comparison with the 1950s blacklist wasn't serious; after all, he was there in Hollywood at the time, when some movie-industry leftists actually did lose jobs and were even jailed because of their politics. Nothing comparable to that was happening now, was it? Well, sometimes it feels that way, he said. A couple years later, having heard Heston say that the Oliver Stones of the industry wouldn't hire him, Stone made a point of hiring Heston for Any Given Sunday. So I guess the griping worked.

Cut to today, and nothing's changed: Conservatives in Hollywood are still complaining that they're being shunned in an industry town consisting predominantly of liberals. The latest set of complaints comes via this Hollywood Reporter article about the impending launch of BigHollywood, a blog at breitbart.com that hopes to be a right-wing answer to the Huffington Post, with a group of 40 conservative Hollywood insiders as group bloggers. (Andrew Breitbart announced the planned blog back in August, but it doesn't appear to be live yet.) The gripes in Monday's THR article follow a similar airing of grievances by conservative screenwriter Andrew Klavan a week ago in a Washington Post op-ed. While I'm not buying any of these claims that openly conservative actors and screenwriters can't find work -- people like Klavan, Jon Voight (pictured), Kelsey Grammer, Patricia Heaton, Dennis Hopper, Robert Duvall, Tom Selleck, David Zucker, Clint Eastwood, and Bruce Willis aren't hurting for opportunities in Hollywood, just as they weren't when Heston spoke to me 12 years ago -- but the conservatives are correct that there aren't many overtly conservative movies made in Hollywood. I don't believe, however, that liberal intolerance is to blame.

Why aren't more conservative movies greenlit? One might ask that question of Fox chief Rupert Murdoch, who has been willing to lose millions to promote a conservative ideology via his paper the New York Post, but whose entertainment projects at the Fox broadcast network, cable's FX, and the Twentieth Century Fox film studio are all over the political spectrum. Perhaps he knows that, in entertainment, people want escapism, not spinach or propaganda. It's why (as conservatives note) few went to see last year's group of movies critical of the War on Terror (In the Valley of Elah, Rendition, Lions for Lambs, etc.) or this year's W., but it's also why few went to see American Carol, either. (It's not a liberal conspiracy that both Carol and W. are being roundly ignored in favor of talking chihuahuas.) Explicitly partisan movies, left or right, don't seem to do as well as those that give both sides a voice or whose ideology takes a backseat to plot and character development.

Still, if conservative Hollywood wants to make more openly ideological movies, it should stop whining and make them. That's what Zucker did with American Carol (and with his conservative affirmative-action program of hiring fellow travelers like Voight, Grammar, and Hopper), and more power to him for raising the money and getting the movie widely promoted and distributed. That's also what Mel Gibson did with The Passion of the Christ, even putting his own money into the picture (and his $25 million investment certainly seems like a modest sum well spent after the movie's enormous box office success). Conservative tycoon Philip Anschutz has promoted his agenda by backing Walden Media's slate of family-friendly movies, which includes the Narnia series, Charlotte's Web, and Nim's Island.

Grammer was, for a long time, the highest-paid actor on TV; why isn't he producing the kind of movies he and his colleagues want to see? Go, make the movies, and let the invisible hand of free market capitalism work its magic with them. Isn't that how conservatives say it's supposed to work? If the movies are good, and if they sell tickets, and if there are enough hits among them so that mainstream Hollywood can't dismiss them as a fluke or a niche product, the studios will come to you to make more of them.

More on conservatives in Hollywood:
Conservative Hollywood unites for An American Carol
Television Commentary: The AMC Project: Rated R: Conservatives in Hollywood
The Final Cut: Columnist Mark Harris on why TV's quasi-conservatives do liberals a disservice
Ask the Critic: Do you ever get sick of Hollywood's liberal yarns?
America is from Mars, Hollywood is from Venus
PopWatch: Are stars' liberal politics turning off moviegoers?


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To Rufus1133 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 01:12 AM EST

"I have to give you something to attack, as that's all you people do. Once your drawn in I can help you think for yourself, gorw and change."
What? So, the Klan did good for the Civil Rights Movement by drawing the counter-argument in and encouraging free-thought? That’s your flaw - not the grammar, sentence structure, spelling or lack of a cohesive point.
Historically, Hollywood has led the way for a lot of societal change and contributed tremendously to our country. However I think there is a growing mentality that all Conservatives can be bundled under the same heading of ignorant war mongers and that is simply not the case. Republicans are not fascists (do you even know what Fascism is? I don't think you do.) the same way that liberals are not revolutionaries. We are individuals who try to understand our world the best way we know how and communicate our understanding to others. Sorry it's so long but I don't care for hateful tirades that naively demonize others.

calleighgirl Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM EST

ginaballerina you are way off the mark. you are a victem of the republican far right. i'll bet you think you are more of an american because you are 'conservative', don't you. what a joke. is is american to send jobs overseas, to steal from your company and leave your employees w/nothing,send our men to war to get back at the terrorists of 9/11? if you had good sense you would realize iraq is NOT who bombed us. wmd? where are they. republicans lie all the time and try to cover up all their mistakes. watergate? wallstreet and bank failings, iranscam...oh! i could go on. i no longer watch fox news because it leans too much to the right. i would rather the news be delivered and let me make up my own mind w/out having it shoved down my throat. may you, the right, and the moral majority live w/your problems and leave the rest of us ALONE!!!!

suzan Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:18 PM EST

liberals are more open minded and sympathetic than conservatives are. that is why there are no great movies by 'conservative'. maybe a serious movie about jimmy swaggert, jim bakker, pat robertson, etc. should be made. then we can all get bored to death and be ripped off by these conservative right wing moral majority. who made them the majority anyway. i don't agree w/anything they say, do or think. they are narrow minded and dangerous. charging people to support their so called 'religion'. they prey on the poor and trusting, although foolish people. that's where republicans take you...for granted!!!!

To GinaBallerina Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 03:50 PM EST

Who says the entire media is liberal? Seen Fox much?

GinaBallerina Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:24 PM EST

Walter,

We don't hear about FACTS like these because the (liberal) media only tells you what it wants you to hear. Scary, isn't it? The more you know, the more scary it is. That probably explains why people are more content to bury their heads in the sand.

jay234 Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:26 AM EST

i agree with whoever wrote the article when they said conservatives who have the money should stop whining about their being no right-leaning movies and they should just go and make it themselves how bout this , are you ready for this this is a new idea they havent thought about ityetjust make a good movie!no matter if it leans to the right or left or stays somewhere in the middle

Alan of Montreal Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:19 AM EST

Bill Maher isn't a liberal--he's a libertarian. There's a difference.

walter hook Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:15 AM EST

IMPORTANT! Read the claims on the web site given below? I'm curious that if they are true why we don't hear more about them? The powerful Jews in Hollywood such as Steven Spielberg should bring these out and change the strong Obama endorsement. Please read.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/09/roster-of-hate-guide-to-barack-obamas.html

Sina Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:29 PM EST

I don't get the argument. Conservatives ruled Hollywood for years. Then around 1967, the liberals came out swinging. I don't see Jon V hurting for work. Dennis Hopper, yeah because he can only do one facial expression now. Give Patricia Heaton a job on the View so they can have a conservatives on there that can talk!

Susan Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:06 PM EST

Sometimes conservative movies are pure propaganda. Take "Fireproof",the Kirk Cameron flick that was supposed to promote the antigay marriage amendments in Arizona,California,and Florida. It flopped because it's an awful movie.

The liberal,New Age movies-"What the bleep do we know?","The Celestine Prophecy","Conversations with God" and "Way of the Peaceful Warrior" (quite a few based on bestselling books) were box office and critical flops. "Da Vinci Code" failed to impress,as did the atheistic "Golden Compass" (I liked the movie,tho I disagree with Philip Pullman)

Speaking of Hollywood conservatives,Elijah Wood (Frodo himself) has been called a "Republican B-list mama's boy" (at Fandom Wa**) and "bug-eyed conservative Republican" (at Popnography) Any truth to this? Thank goodness with the War of the Rings here in California,he's not doing sickeningly sweet ads in favor of Prop.8. That's NOT how the Bible describes Elijah's comeback!

Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:58 PM EST

Why do movies have to have a specific political agenda? Why can't they be made to express creativity and be made to create art? Sure, a lot of movies have hints of their creators political ideals in them, but subtle hints. It is very rare that a movie that is blatantly political does well in the box office. And when they are blatantly political, they're usually documentaries. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have conservative leanings, and sure, I don't agree with things I see in some movies. But, I know how to enjoy the movie as a work of art, to appreciate every aspect of the film and not just what politics they might be pushing on me. If you're going to put in politics into a movie, do it as an allegory or do it subtly. There doesn't need to be liberal cinema or conservative cinema, there should just be cinema.

Aaron Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:46 PM EST

Coservatives need to shut up. They're just upset that Hollywood makes movies that show that Gays aren't evil and they're destroying the children! That's why GOP movies aren't made. They suck. They undermine the free-thinking open-minded movies like Philadelphia and Brokeback Mountain.

datruth82 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:39 PM EST

Are you kidding? Is this article title a joke?

Two words: Tyler Perry.

Talk about being out of touch.

Brett Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:05 PM EST

I don't think it's the slant or the message of the film that dictates its success. It's whether the film is well made, marketed well, stars people the public want to see, etc. "American Carol" had some moderately big names but terrible jokes and its premise was to lampoon Michael Moore. No one except the extreme left really cares about Michael Moore. Most of middle America either doesn't know whoe he is or doesn't care who he is. So, a satire on Michael Moore is not going to appeal to many people. Now, a conservative movie, if done well, could be a hit. But any movie that preaches its politics (like "Lions to Lambs," or whatever that "talking head" debacle was that Redford put out with Tom Cruise) is pretty much doomed to failure in today's marketplace.

go conservative Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 06:59 PM EST

The "family movies" market is so ignored. The liberals are constantly marketing their movies with adult themes on kids. Was the masterbation talk really necessary in Transformers? Do we really have to have characters swearing and telling adult jokes in animated and so-called family films? There is a time and place for everything, but Hollywood and liberals seem to think their agenda is 24/7.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 06:48 PM EST

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Noon


the post ww 2 nazi's (the mccarthyites, the neo-cons) no longer burn books. They just ban you. or flood the market with their nonsense and propoganda.

All they do is whine and cry. All day every day, these people whine cry and complain for power. They attack and discredit daily for money and power. What if one day people stopped caring about their complaints? do the only power these control freaks have over america is the power we, as americans, give them.

Hopefully the gop hides in caves and whines and cries the next 30 years. These time america should give them a deaf ear. We've seen what these fascists are about. They tried their fascist take-over of america compleate with their very own Reichstag Fire. they failed. the american people are smarter than they are. America is not a fascist nation. the gop tried to impose a fascsit state. They failed. Either they reject their fascism and join america or ....... :)

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 06:43 PM EST

"Upon its release, the film was criticized by many filmgoers, as it did not contain such expected western archetypes as chases, violence, action, and picture postcard scenery. Rather, it presented emotional and moralistic dialogue throughout most of the film. Only in the last few minutes were there action scenes.[3]

John Wayne strongly despised the film because he felt it was an allegory for blacklisting, which he and his best friend Ward Bond had actively supported. In his Playboy interview from May 1971, Wayne stated he considered High Noon "the most un-American thing I’ve ever seen in my whole life"[4] and went on to say he would never regret having helped blacklist liberal screenwriter Carl Foreman from Hollywood. He later teamed up with director Howard Hawks to make Rio Bravo as a conservative response. Ironically, Cooper himself had been a "friendly witness" to the HUAC several years earlier, and Wayne also accepted Cooper's Academy Award for the role as Cooper was unable to a

To lol Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 06:07 PM EST

Check again. American Carol beat Religulous by $300,000 in its first week even though it was on twice as many screens. That does not count as a win. And since then? Take a look at the numbers.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:59 PM EST

Ok, so the gop has representation in movies. Problem solved. this article admitted as propoganda by the gop.

ratings a movie do not make. High ratings don't make fox news. high sales don't make mcdonalds the mest food in the world. the highest grossing films do not automatically win the oscars.

Look at the gop burning both ends of the candle. Hysterical. Are they incompetant or fascists/criminals? It has to be one. Either they are morons or they know what they are doing and saying and are fascists. Which is it gop?

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:57 PM EST

GOOD. THEN YOU HAVE representation. What are you complaining about? Make more movies, gop, if you have a problem.

I know you are all rush limbaugh dittoheads. The borg. Clone robots who are unable to think for yourselves and must be directed by a higher power or smarter mind. Black and white.

think for yourselves. The more you people start thinking for yourselves, or rush or fox shut down forcing you to think for yourselves, the less you will whine and cry that you have no representation. The more you become like "real americans" the less "real americans" will have to pretend they are in 1955 to accomodate you, freeing them as well as you. :)

I know conservatives want to live in 1955 mayberry forever. I know you want everyone else to live in 1955 mayberry. That time has past.

America Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:55 PM EST

Interesting to note pro war films and pro American films like SPR,Black Hawk Down,Air Force One,Hunt for Red October etc...did so good at the box office while movies that preach anti war message and make military soldiers look bad are FLOPS.

lol Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:48 PM EST

But American Carol beat the movie by liberal moron Bill Mayer.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:46 PM EST

"To DanOregon Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:42 PM EST


I think you need to brush up on your film history a bit. High Noon was widely regarded as a thinly veiled rebuke of the McCarthy witch hunts where people were afraid to stand up for what they knew was right (and was written by a blacklisted writer, if I'm not mistaken). It's a rebuke of conservative hysteria. Terrible example you picked there.
"

Really? Wow. that is what people who are blackballed from hollywood do, gop. They make movies that are thinly veiled as ghost writers and get no credit OR MONEY for it. Just the reward of a better world/america. I hear you now gop. No MONEY??!! that is all you care about. Screw america, screw the government, screw the world, screw the children. As long as you make money or get low taxes. SAbotage for money used to be called treason. Ask benidict arnold.

To DanOregon Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:45 PM EST

Terrible examples there. High Noon, written by a blacklisted writer, was a thinly veiled rebuke of the McCarthy witch hunts. That is, a rebuke of conservative hysteria.

To DanOregon Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:42 PM EST

I think you need to brush up on your film history a bit. High Noon was widely regarded as a thinly veiled rebuke of the McCarthy witch hunts where people were afraid to stand up for what they knew was right (and was written by a blacklisted writer, if I'm not mistaken). It's a rebuke of conservative hysteria. Terrible example you picked there.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:39 PM EST

You got to say something got. You can't touch my posts. The gop is left with whine cry complain. Lie spin discredit. You are the pathetic ones gop. In a few weeks it won't matter anymore will it? In a few weeks america, and the world, can finally stop pretending to care about your false outrage and yoru constant control attempts and whining. Enjoy your sad existance while it lasts gop. Soon you will be irrelevant. No one to whine to. No one to cry to. No one to listen to your attempts to control and silence others. Enjoy your existance gop. It's going to last a very long time. don't hate and blame the world for your lot. you made yoru beds. TO NOT force you to sleep in them does you no favors as you will never change and grow and try to live in 1955 forever. you can't hold america decades in the past forever gop. Either get with the program and 2008 america, or get left in the past.

aaron Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:35 PM EST

Wow. This rufus1133 guy needs to get off the computer and get a life. It's like he's sitting at his computer waiting on people to disagree with him or say something negative about his (many) comments so he can quickly respond. Get over it man. By the way, I'm a liberal also so don't try to attack my politics just GET A LIFE!

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:26 PM EST

naaaah dan.

Having the odds stacked against you, a conservative does nto make you. The word your seeking is underdog. the conservatives want propoganda to validate their treason and criminality. Or what they do in the name of what they call their religon. Mel gibson and the passion is not a "conservative" movie. It is a religous christian movie. Die hard is not a "conservative movie" (unless he is being conservative in his actions behind the chenes I don't know about. My favorite movie by the way).

The problem is the conservatives have hijacked certain aspects, and have tried to make these aspects them. they are not conservative concepts. Research what the word means, politically speaking. Nothing to do with long odds. Everything to do with control or others, amoung other things. But world war 2 movies are not "conservative". They are war propoganda. Westerns are not "conservative". they are harkening back to rules and a time long ago. the goal is to justify current actionsorpast

DanOregon Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:20 PM EST

I'd argue that any movie featuring a lone individual stacked against a large force (Die Hard, Hoosiers, Rudy, High Noon, even Star Wars) can be classified as a "conservative" movie. But what do I know.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:13 PM EST

WELL SAID formerlion. I hear you and agree with you 100%, word for word. Just know it goes both ways. And most times it's the gop side imposing their will on others. I agree with you and wish for all to be free, and for work and politics not to mix (unless they are one in the same). Same with religon and politics, and news and politics.

Conservatives can only exist if they are the "good guys". They are above being imposed on. they have rights. They have freedoms. they are the "american patriotic ones". Never mind they reject my freedom, democrac/majority rule, the constitution, the seperation of church and state, silencing those they disagree while at the same time being above being silenced, and on and on.

I hear you formerlion. the nazi's IN the gop have hijacked the party. They said it, "Your either with us or against us". they have declared war on america AND reality. Either you are with them, fighting the fascists in the gop, or standing by doing nothing, enabling.

Jeffrey Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:01 PM EST

The Dixie Chicks, Charlie Sheen, and Matt Damon are supposed to "shut up and sing", but conservatives decry how they're being marginalized. It's just a taste of their own medicine. The party they follow thrives on dividing Americans and pitting them against each other. As an example, now "liberals" aren't "real" Americans. Get that, now I'm not a "real" American! Well, if this is the way to inspire me to vote for McCain, it's not going to work. Hollywood works better as a liberal institution because show business is not conservative, and those who consume mass media entertainment do not have "conservative" attitudes; at least not extreme right-wing ones. That's as it should be, because extremely conservative entertainment wouldn't be entertaining at all. Conservatives in show biz should stick to being money-men, and hosting right-wing "news" shows on radio and t.v., where they can spin lies and create divisiveness at will.

calleighgirl Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:46 PM EST

why do republicans always think liberals are unamerican? that is crazy thinking. we are more american than republicans who want to take everything away from the american people. big oil and businesses, and tax breaks are all they are interested in. tax breaks and shelters are unamerican. who do they think will do the jobs our taxes apply to. certainly not them. they wouldn't want to get their hands dirty w/a fire or a murder which fire and police have to encounter. let them fill their pockets w/everyone elses money. now that's UNAMERICAN!!!!

boobooboy Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:41 PM EST

separation of church and state is a necessity! look at alll the religious wars other country have because the religion rules the people. irag, iran, afghanistan, northern ireland. all have been fighting for years w/no end in site. church is for religion, state is for just that....state affairs. religion is not, and should not ever be a part of government. i live my religion the way i was instructed, i do not let it interfere w/anyone's lives. it's private, not public!!!!

suzangrace Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:35 PM EST

o can't stand 'conservetives',they are so smug. it's always their negativity that affects all of us. if they are so smart,why are they giving oil companies, big business, and wall street deals on tax breaks.these taxes pay our education, fire law enforcement,health, social security, etc.are they givetax breaks if a company sends their work overseas? nafta is a huge mistake!american workers need these jobs,that is a fact.why do we have to call india when we have a computer problem they don't understand the problems, & i can't understand a word they say! i spent two hours w/a man in indai to fix a computer problem for 2 hrs. it took my 17 yr old neighbor to find the problem.all the republicans want is what's good for their wallet.the hell w/the rest of the country.ceo's grab all that money,no retirement for workers.they took it.since they don't want to pay taxes, i hope fireman or police charge them if they call for help.afterall,they're not paying their salaries.repubs are BAD NEWS!

formerlion Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:10 PM EST

I'm not sure why I'm even bothering with a rebuttal, but here you go, rufus: the post is about Hollywood, so that's what I addressed.

Maybe I should also specify that I did, in fact, vote for Obama. I vote Repulican about 60% of the time and consider myself just right of center. It's not necessarily that I disagree with my co-workers values, but I disagree with the black and white, good vs. evil statements they make against anyone on the right. Have a batch of extreme social conservatives tainted the name of the current Repulican party? Probably. But that doesn't mean I appreciate demonization of the party or conservatives as a whole and want to be subjected to it everyday. It takes a very large, very heterogenous group of people and boils them down to one negative, simplistic idea. It's unfortunate to hear that your workplace operates on the same level of intolerance that mine does, but with the majority in the minority and vice versa.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:49 PM EST

""I love the people here, but I know I have to keep my mouth shut when they openly compare Republicans to Nazis in the office, or talk about McCain's plans to abolish the separation of church and state (say what?)."

Really? I voted for obama monday. My boss told me I'm not getting a raise, after asking me who I voted for. He said I'm not getting a raise because obama's tax plan will tax my business and that would be my raise.

I also had to hold my tongue when he has been called "osama" and a terrorist.
"

Also said I'm getting fired for voting for obama. You?

DN Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:48 PM EST

I wonder if the complaints by Heston, Voight, and the like are a preemptive action because they expect to be treated by liberals in Hollywood the way their representatives in Congress treat liberals in America (e.g. Rep. Michelle Bachman's remark, "Liberals are anti-America.") Conservatives seem to have a strong disdain for liberals so, perhaps it's expected for the feelings to be mutual. But, they're not. We're all Americans. We just have different visions of how to do things.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:47 PM EST

the street runs both ways formerlion. In hollywood liberals may call many of the shots. if you don't like hollywood, move. do you think liberals control most of big and small business in america? If not do you think the same game goes on, the other way? Think gop. think. you don't have it nearly as bad as you whine and complain daily. you want bad? You want presecusion. the red scare of the 50's. Being a liberal from 01-06. That's persecution. this is more "I know you are but what am I" from whining bully elementary schooll children

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:44 PM EST

"I love the people here, but I know I have to keep my mouth shut when they openly compare Republicans to Nazis in the office, or talk about McCain's plans to abolish the separation of church and state (say what?)."

Really? I voted for obama monday. My boss told me I'm not getting a raise, after asking me who I voted for. He said I'm not getting a raise because obama's tax plan will tax my business and that would be my raise.

I also had to hold my tongue when he has been called "osama" and a terrorist.

Do you think liberals had to bit their tongues when everything not exactly like rush limbaugh was called un-american or un patrioitc?

Maybe the gop are fascists. Research the term "fascism". Maybe they are not calling republcains fascists as an attack. Just maybe they are calling one who fits a label what it is, as you call a "shoe" a shoe and a pig a pig. If the gop doesn't want to be called fascists, maybe they should stop being fascists.

More control attempts. sad

formerlion Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:33 PM EST

This blogpost is ignoring one crucial aspect that the article touched on: that those who don't have any power--assistant, dayplayers, etc.--are the ones who feel the daily pressures. I work in a Hollywood office and I'm the lowest man on the totem pole. I love the people here, but I know I have to keep my mouth shut when they openly compare Republicans to Nazis in the office, or talk about McCain's plans to abolish the separation of church and state (say what?). I have friends whose bosses have "made" them (i.e. politely insinuated that it was part of their job) volunteer at Obama phone banks. Sure, Kelsey Grammer can wear whatever button he wants, but those of us in the cubicles, or those who have just joined writing staffs, have to be hush-hush if we don't want to mark ourselves. I know what I was getting into it and none of it comes as a shock, but there is frustration with the hypocrisy. Acceptance of everyone and their ideas--as long as it falls to the left of the center.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:27 PM EST

one nation? Or do you choose yoru party instead? You can have rush fox hannity and o'reilly, savage coulter malkin. you can have them. That's your right. this is america after all. the left will give you the freedom you have denied the rest of us. We are americans not party loyalist traitors. But their is a consequence to your choice. Have fox and rush and those like him. the cost is irrelevance or the gop going the way of the whigs. Is that worth the cost? you can't have yoru cake and eat it to. you can't wage war and cry that war is rampent. You can't sabotage america for money and cry about a divided america. Stay your course. that choice leads to marginalization and irrelevance. Long term. OR shut down fox rush hannity and those like them yourselves. Save yoru party and marginalize those who destroyed your party. Choose. But be a grown-up. Stop crying that the choices you choose have conseqeunce, in this case irrelvance. time to grow-up gop and swim in what you have been shoveling

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:24 PM EST

"If america is going to grow and change we must either bring these people living decades inthe past along. that's my wish. I hope you go along with america and democracy, rather than sabotaging it. I won't hold my breath though
"

opps, cont.

If your plan is sabotage divide and conquer and treason than their is another path. Or you people and our great nation. It's called irrelevance. It's called point out and marginalize those who try and destroy america for money and power. choose wisely gop. your party is splitting from the inside. If it survives it will be in the political wilderness for 30 years. you had yoru time. you wasted it. Democracy and majoirty rule is goin gin another direction. Please don't hate and blame liberals. Don't hide from reality and blame the world. you had yoru chance. If you did your jobs you would not be in the deep water your in. To NOT give you the irrelevance you have earned does you no favors as you will never grow or change. choose gop.One nation?

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:20 PM EST

tRYING TO MAKE YOU REPUBLCAINS THINK FOR YOURSELVES FOR ONCE. iF YOU CAN'T READ, TRY AGAIN. tHINK FOR YOURSELF. TRY AND PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER. I know it's hard. I know your used to being told what you must say or think. But at least try. I gave you plenty of ammo and spelling errors to talking about, if you can't name ONE conservative banned or touch the substance of my posts.

I'm trying to help you republcains grow and think. I have to give you something to attack, as that's all you people do. Once your drawn in I can help you think for yourself, gorw and change. It's not liberals holding up progress so talking to them is preaching to the choir. If america is going to grow and change we must either bring these people living decades inthe past along. that's my wish. I hope you go along with america and democracy, rather than sabotaging it. I won't hold my breath though

Martha Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:12 PM EST

And rufus1133, I'd try to address some of your points but I have absolutely no idea what you're saying in all the gobbledegook, beyond "liberals good! GOP bad!" or some such.

Martha Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:10 PM EST

Tiffany, you said, "I think one of the reasons celebs aren't more outspoken about conservative viewpoints is because Democrats and left wingers act tend to act like its a personal affront that celebs have different beliefs." Seems to me that many left wingers act like it's a personal affront that *anyone* has different beliefs. It's that "I'm enlightened and you're not" attitude that drives me nuts. That being said, Heston went a little overboard in comparing today's Hollywood conservatives to those blacklisted during the McCarthy era. I'm with Gary, though - if you want to see "your kind" of entertainment, go out and make it yourself.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:03 PM EST

cont.

You choose a party over your country. you choose the will and betterment of yrou party, over the will and betterment of yoru country. At one time that was called treason. I don't want you people shipped out of the country for yoru treason, as benidict arnold was. I don't want you hung, like the law says for treason. I just want you conflict of interest as news (conflict of interest, knowingly misleading the elderly, inciting violence and hate against americans) to go away. you should be saying thank you. Not whinging crying and complaining. rush could (I would say should) be charged with treason for his dividie and conquer sabotage of america for money. I just want him off the air. Your getting off easy gop. Still you cry. Rememebr the red scare. If you choose the laws you make for others can apply to you as well. I would prefer for all to be free. you will nto allow that gop. Freedom for all ends in the gop party ending. good riddance I say. Can't come soon enough

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:00 PM EST

cont.
And you are also losing the right to force your gop concepts on america. Now it's time for the street to run the other way. The fairness doctrine? I assume that's what yoru whining about. Majority rule. 47% of america wants is. 32% of america does not. If the liebrals win, and obama wins, they will choose to enact laws or not, based on laws their constiuincies and what they feel is best for america. If they feel fox rush hannity and those like them have been a horrible presednece of the public conversation, and on the media, bye bye fox and rush. It's called democarcy. It's called majority rule. If you don't believe in democracy or majority rule, gop, your living in the wrong country. Fox rush and hannity killed the gop (and accountability and credibility for the gop. If you were smart you would shut them down yourselves, so others don't have to. you say you love america gop. Choose. AMerica/democracy or your lying fascsit propogandists. If you love america it should be no choi

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:56 PM EST

"rick Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM EST


I agree with the argument that the movies and shows should be made and let the market dictate the results. Now, can we apply that same argument to Pelosi and the liberals that are trying to outlaw conservative and religious radio because the liberal shows can't make it in the market
"


Awww. So based on this article you want it to run both ways. Maybe in past years. Now is a new concept. Now the rules and laws you apply to others will apply to you as well. If you don't want that, stop making rules for others to follow.

Same with democracy and majority rule. No liberals were going batty and crazy the last 8 years when bush was destroying our country. We sat back and did things the right way. Now it is time for the gop to reap what you have sown. you made laws and broke laws liberals, also america and the world, find indefendable. No one went to jail. Elections have conseqence. In this case irrelevance is your conseqeunce

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:44 PM EST

"so in the red scare liberals were jailed and banned from music, with the help of regean who sold out his union members as HEAD OF THE ACTORS GUILD. "

movies rather.

Again, you give a list of those NOT effected. How about some that are. I can write a list of 50 bann liberals during the last 8 years. 50. How many cosnervatives have been banned for their opinions? One name please. I can give you 50 from the other side.

Someone please show the readers on this site this writer has any clue about what he's talking about, or merely spouting whining gop propoganda. One name please. If it's so wide spread it should be easy.

But you can't. Please show yoru fascsit gop faces.

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:39 PM EST

The gop cultists are pathetic. they could have everything eactly how they demand it 90% of the time. They will still call out bogus complaints and whine about the other 10%. America is the land of the free, but only they can be free. the market speacks and dictates but only if they approve or can control it.

The gop is the party of hypcorites and whiners. Who cares what they whine and cry about today, it will be something differant tomorrow. They always got a complain. They always have something to claim bias. Hypocrite gop.

No one cares what you say or think anymore. you had yoru time. you wasted it. You cried wolf far to many times for anyone to give your whining any credance, at this point.

the republcains have removed all their crediiblity and accountability, themselves. They can still whine cry and complain about the world changing (where they will not). the differance now is, who will listen? Who will give their whining complaints credance? I hope it's irrelevance for 30

rufus1133 Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:35 PM EST

this writer, up to his old republcain propoganda tricks again. So yoru grip is Kelly grammer can't find work? Or john voight? Wow. Why not start a conservative only union? then they can sit around in a circle and cry that john wayne and elvis are dead.

Ew and this gary guy are pathetic. the republcains love these whisper campaigns. They love to whine cry and complain, and pretend they are not working the refs. Sad.

so in the red scare liberals were jailed and banned from music, with the help of regean who sold out his union members as HEAD OF THE ACTORS GUILD.

what conservatives have been jailed for their bush/war love? What conservatives have been blackballed? You mentioned those who are not affect. how about some names who are, rather than a wisper campaign.

Tell the dixie chicks conservatives are being silenced due to their political opinion. Tell pat tillman the same thing, wait you can't he got murdered for his free speech. Tell rosie odonnell the right is being ban

Lorrie Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:28 PM EST

Dennis Hopper right wing?? Easy Rider was a LONG time ago.

Matthew Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:16 PM EST

I know at one time Clint Eastwood described himself as a republican/conservative, but now a days I'm not so sure. At the very most, he is a Barry Goldwater/libertarian conservative. Much different than neocons like Patrica Heaton and Kelsey Grammar.

tiffany Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:15 PM EST

Disclaimer: I'm a moderate Republican.

However, recently Ohnotheydidn't had a post featuring a list of right leaning celebrities(including Sarah Michelle Gellar). Members of ONTD are decidedly left leaning and most actually expressed betrayal that their favorite celebs were conservative in their beliefs.

I think one of the reasons celebs aren't more outspoken about conservative viewpoints is because Democrats and left wingers act tend to act like its a personal affront that celebs have different beliefs.

Think about Conservatives reactions to the Dixie Chicks' statements about Bush. Its the same thing only in reverse.

As a Republican I keep my mouth shut most of the time because I know its easier than making waves.

JackSparrow Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:29 PM EST

Plus they never have anything constructive to say. It's all GUNS! WAR! MONEY! with the conservatives.

FM Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:07 PM EST

To Right Now:

My statement of preference that they "shut up" is not based on their ideology, its based on the fact that they are whining, and are capable of doing better. I would say the same to a far left leaning actor in a comparable situation.

As for your statement that it is not about the money... what business do you think we are speaking of here? In Hollywood, where for every good movie released there are a dozen "Underdog"s, "Alvin and the Chipmunk"s and "Battlefield Earth"s it sure as heck is about the money.
Make absolutly no mistake, if there ever proved to be as much of a market for politically extreme movies as there are for more moderate ones, then they would be made.
There is no vast left wing conspiracy here. The movies you appear to want made are not being made because they have not been proven to be economically viable. They may in fact be so, but the risk involved to find out is currently perceived as outweighing the probable rewards.

rick Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM EST

I agree with the argument that the movies and shows should be made and let the market dictate the results. Now, can we apply that same argument to Pelosi and the liberals that are trying to outlaw conservative and religious radio because the liberal shows can't make it in the market. What goes around comes around! If you outlaw one, I could see Rolling Stone, EW, and more being sued over violation of the Fair Access Act they are trying to force down our throats.

Adrian. Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:52 AM EST

Yikes. It blows my mind that Voight, at one time the star of one of the most controversial, envelope-pushing and culturally progressive American films ever ("Midnight Cowboy") was a guest at a McCain/Palin rally.

Greg Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:24 AM EST

Bruce Willis identifies himself as an Independent, not a Republican.

E Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:11 AM EST

I don't think this has as much to do with politics as with ideology. A more liberal point of view tends to encourage people to look into the lives of others with curiosity and figure out why people do the things they do. That sort of a view is compatible with making good art. I don't see that same curiosity in most outspoken conservatives where adversaries are just written off as evil. That kind of black and white thinking isn't very compelling in art. So is it any wonder Hollywood would lean more toward a liberal point of view?

Coyote Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:26 AM EST

I don't know about you, but I'd run, not walk, to see a movie written, directed or produced by someone who is "cautious, moderate, tending to preserve the status quo" (Merriam Webster definition of conservative).

Did ya ever think that people who lean towards creative endeavors aren't generally conservative in their beliefs, just as those who sign up for the military aren't known for their liberal attitudes?

Or are conservatives looking for some kind of hiring quota or affirmative action system? That would be a delicious irony!

To "To all other posters" Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:56 AM EST

I know you are, but what am I?

To all other posters Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:41 AM EST

Yeah, real mature guys.

To Right Now Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:20 AM EST

Blah blah blah, waaah waahh wahh. That's all I'm hearing from you. Wow, you sound just like the GOP! Neato!

Right Now Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:04 AM EST

I love the "tolerance" voiced by your liberal commenters. It's ok to be conservative, but just shut up about it. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. I believe that a project - TV, movie, music, whatever it is should stand on its own merit - does it have an audience? Do they enjoy it? Does it make money? Those should be the criteria that judge a project's worth. This is America and supposedly we have freedom of speech, thought, religion. What is so frustrating to so many is the active suppression of conservative thought by Hollywood and the promotion of the left. Yes, American Carol made no money, but how many left leaning projects were financed in the last 5 years? For every American Carol, there are 10 times as many Valley of Elah, Stop-Loss, Rendition, etc. All losers at the box office, too. If this was truly just an economic proposition, we would see more attempts at right leaning projects. It's not about money at all, it's all about promoting one point of view and suppressing another.

Jason Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:47 AM EST

Is this a bad attempt at a joke?

Comparing conservatism in Hollywood to liberalism during McCarthy's reign or homosexuality even today? Seriously?

Uh, the difference between feeling a political "cold shoulder" (real or imagined) and being imprisoned, harassed, fined, beaten and/or your life and career destroyed is a pretty big one. This is not an apt comparison at all.

Heston was just once again showing his ignorance and insensitivity. And now too is Gary Susman.

If Conservatives are in fact being discriminated against in Hollywood, that is a shame and should be corrected. On the other hand, actors and filmmakers who are outspokenly political (on either "side") find securing work more difficult than those who keep their views to themselves. So, once again, Heston maybe should have tried shutting up.

Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:42 AM EST

I agree with the entire last paragraph. Both liberals and conservatives at either extreme end are portrayed negatively in many films, but that's what comedy is for--to poke fun at extremes. I can't argue that conservatives probably do feel "silenced" in Hollywood socially, though, so it's likely that they feel besieged. No one's going to jail for it, though, so the paranoia needs to go--and they are getting jobs. To blame the lack of box office for propaganda films (of either stripe) on some kind of bias is laughable.

Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:37 AM EST

Awesome article Gary!

JackSparrow Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:33 AM EST

I agree. They should just shut up. They never have anything constructive to say anyway.

FM Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:32 AM EST

For every actor thats been able to start a sucessful production company and make good, profitable movies there are two who have ended up filing bankruptcy due to wasting their cash on cars houses and drugs.

Actors act, they arnt often known for their business savy. As such, it's not a surprise that most dont ever put their money where their mouths are.

Also, a bad investment is a bad investment. History shows that movies that politically lean too far to one side most often dont make worthwhile money.

As such, its not just easier but also smarter for the right wingers to complain that other people arnt risking their money on them, rather then risk it themselves.

That said, Id prefer they just shut up.


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