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Ready for a darker, more tormented Superman?

Aug 25, 2008, 02:04 PM | by Gary Susman

Categories: 'The Dark Knight', Comic Books, Film, I'm Just a Geek, Superman Returns

Superman_l Poor Superman. His last movie was a disappointment, and now his DC Comics stablemate Batman is getting all the box office glory. But Warner Bros. has a plan, according to the Wall Street Journal, to reboot the Superman franchise, and its DC superhero properties in general. That plan, in a nutshell: Do what Marvel does. (After all, Marvel didn't wait around too long to go back to the drawing board with a Hulk reboot.) The two prongs of the plan: First, make a bunch of related movies about individual DC heroes (including Green Arrow, Green Lantern, the Flash, and Wonder Woman), then tie them together with a group tale (the sidelined Justice League of America movie), à la Marvel's Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and the Avengers. Second, make the characters all psychologically darker (like Iron Man, the Hulk, the X-Men, Spider-Man, etc., but more importantly, like Warners' own Batman, as Christian Bale has portrayed him, to great box office success).

Derivative as it is, this is not a bad plan, but can it work for Superman? The Man of Steel is not usually thought of as a brooding, tormented character, but there's certainly room in his mythology for him to be portrayed that way. David Mamet wrote an essay about 20 years ago emphasizing Superman's history of psychological damage. He's an orphan who never knew his real parents or even his birthplace; he loves a woman he can't really have, everyone he's close to is consequently a target for his enemies; he's an immigrant who remains a freak who'll never be able to fully assimilate (and who finds refuge in the remotest place on Earth); and the only thing that can kill him is literal fragments of his past. Plus, his human disguise -- as weak, awkward, clumsy, ineffectual professional bystander Clark Kent -- suggests he doesn't hold humanity in high regard.

Still, do moviegoers even want a dark Superman? We do like our superheroes bleak these days -- not just Dark Knight and the Marvel characters, but also Hancock and the forthcoming Watchmen. And we've certainly seen Clark himself display plenty of teen angst on Smallville. But moviegoers have almost always gotten a Superman who's a big blue Boy Scout. There's certain to be outrage from some quarters if Superman is portrayed as something other than the untroubled, apple-pie defender of Truth, Justice, and the American Way. But I wouldn't worry; he's a pretty strong guy. If he bounced back from Superman IV and Superman Returns, he'll survive this, too.

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Noneya Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 02:23 AM EST

well we just tried a gay superman and that didn't work out, so yeah, sign darren aronsky to helm it and let's try a bleak one...

jarred Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 02:01 AM EST

I think instead of making superman darker, make his moral decisions harder and make the world around him darker. Superman is supposed to be the ideal good guy, unlike batman who is supposed to be dark and feared. The next movie would also need a good bad guy, not the traditional lex Luthor, but someone who actually has a chance at killing Superman no repeats like zod. Those are just my thoughts anyway.

micheal jones Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 05:47 PM EST

SupermansDead and linsel, your all total DICKSSS!!!!

Superman'sDead Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 06:44 PM EST

Every Superman movie is the same cheesy junk. Put a real villian in the movie. Write a script where superman's powers are actually challenged, not conviently taken away with green rocks when the story needs to stumble over his super strength.

I hated Superman Returns. I've pretty much given up on being a fan. If this is what Hollywood wants superman to be, fine. I'll just watch the more succesful, other superhero movies instead of more 1970s superman remakes. Maybe next time he can lay down in place of a train track. That would be original.

Adrian Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:20 PM EST

I loved Superman Returns. It was powerful, epic, touching and most importantly it had heart. I'm very tired of reboots. A true sequel has immense potential. And Brandon Routh proved to be a worthy succeesor to the tights and cape. He Is Superman.

All Warner Bros. are doing is alienating fans.

liesel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 07:36 PM EST

Superman is a thing of the past. He is boring. Let's move on with it.

micheal jones Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 08:43 AM EST

I think that having a superman movie reboot is a great idea, but I don't want Superman to be like Batman. Sure, put in a few pyhicological(spelled wrong) truamas. But never, and I mean NEVER make the Man of Steel, our big blue boy scout like Batman. The World is just not ready for a tormented, darker Superman. Leave the darkness and broodiness to Batman

Crones Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 02:19 PM EST

A reboot is an excellent idea, but the way I see it's going it goes to being another failure of WB in the Superman franchise.
Superman Returns was a failure in so many ways because they didn't adapt superman history to something that's wanted nowadays, and that's not necessary darker characters but a movie that keeps you planted on the screen during it's whole duration.
First of all, Lex Luthor... just how many more times must this guy appear as a lead character? There are a million other enemies of Superman that would be great considering this it wasn't the "new beggining" of superman, or at least it wasn't the idea, it's called superman returns so there is no reason for another lex movie, if they just would of put someone in the same level or near superman.
Another 2 things... you can't put Superman with a son... it loses the whole perspective of superman doing many things, and a darker character is not needed, i mean, the cartoons have a good success and superman isn't darker there.

Jake West Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:34 AM EST

It is just an opinion, but Superman Returns was awful. Re-booting is an excellent idea.

As for whether or not Superman is a dark character, I'm not sure what some of you guys mean by dark, but if my entire race had been erased from existence by their own hubris and the power of nature, if there was literally no one like me on the face of the earth, if I had to hide everything I am and could do, and if I possessed more power in my own body and mind than every nation on the face of the earth, but could not even allow myself the happiness of spending my life with the woman I loved, I think I would be prone to the odd 'dark' moment. In fact, if Batman ever came moaning to me about his troubles, I would say:"Problems, you those problems!"

Of course Superman is good, but his goodness is an incredible achievement, because of all the tragedy and inner struggle he has had to endure. Sometimes to really see the light, you need to see the darkness.

Nixon L Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:06 AM EST

There is no reason to do a reboot. The story has now been re-established and the series could continue on from Superman Returns in a new and exiting direction. Just becuase the first one wasnt as good as people had hoped doesnt mean you go straight back to the drawing board. X men 1 and 2 were perfect examples of this. DC can still make a different Superman movie without rebooting the series. Besides its not like they can re-boot his origin story anyway, because the first Superman film already told it so well. If it were up to me i would stick with Singer because i believe his vision for Superman was much broarder than just one film.

Karen Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 04:12 PM EST

My image of Superman is like "Blue Sky" and Batman is "Dark night". Superman is for men and women of all ages. I repeatedly watch a DVD of "Superman returns", when I want to recover from a depressed mood. I don't watch "Badman" for the mood, but for the other. Each film has different effect on our life. WB should not loose a sense to see it. I also like to see Nicholas Cage as Lex Luthor, and Brandon Routh as Superman next to Nicholas Cage. What's a fabulous contrast! WB, please reconsider the cast of Superman as Brandon Routh who won't be able to act Superman after 10 years. I do hope WB won't miss the time. He is a real & perfect "Superman" to me. But I also understand that some think he is not. WB can't make everyone happy. However I still want to keep my hope!

Jesse Gonzalez Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 03:23 AM EST

Oh one more thing to add. Ann Hathaway as lois lane and Nicholas Cage as Lex Luthor. As for Superman/Clark Kent. Not sure, but if you want to make it fresh, no Brandon Routh and no Tom Welling.

Jesse Gonzalez Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 03:12 AM EST

According to bryan singers superman returns it was part 3 of the first two Chris Reeves movies and it ignores 3, and 4 of the first films. Confusing? I know. Superman 3 was ok but 4 really brought down the franchise. Still that was no reason to go back to the original movies. Although superman returns wasnt a bad movie. I still think they shouldve gone a different direction. It shouldve been new and fresh. Completely differnt from the Reeves films. So all i can say is reboot.

Chelle Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 06:31 PM EST

Heheh, I'm sorry, but I'm all for the reboot. Superman Returns was so unbelievably disappointing. If you're only a Supes fan, then maybe you didn't see the other 'hero' movies out, but SR lacked sorely compared to the others. The casting was horrid. Sure, BR sort of looks like the Man of Steel, but that's pretty much it. The movie was predictable, the dialogue (for Clark) almost non-existent, and the build-up didn't make me care for the main character. It's pretty heartbreaking to watch Superman and not care a thing about him, especially after seeing all the joys and pain from a mere TV show. Smallville's Clark Kent is what I hoped to see, and he wasn't there. The movie just felt empty to me. Please reboot!

CLARK KEVAN Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 02:33 PM EST

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NO REBOOT!!!!!

Superman Returns was the set-up for Bryan Singer to go "WRATH OF KHAN" on the sequel!!!!

Just like the first x-men barely had any action and x-2 blew it out of the water.

Come on Warner Bros!!! GIVE IT ONE MORE TRY!!! IF the sequel doesn't excite EVERYONE then move on to a reboot...but at least give Bryan a chance....

Ian Perry Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:31 PM EST

I think WB already planted the seed in The Dark Knight movie about a Superman Tie-In. Anyone recall the line when Morgan Freeman is talking to Bruce Wayne about a secret government contract that he knew nothing about. Doesn't that sound very familar as in Batman being the only person the government can turn to if superman goes rogue (a la Frank Millers Dark Knight). Thoughts?

Barry-el Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 06:18 PM EST

Superman Returns was an AMAZING film and the best super-hero movie Ive ever seen! i still cant get enough of it! Bryan Singer did a fantastic job...his vision was perfect! He, along with Dan Harris & Michael Dougherty wrote a great script! Im so frustrated with WB! Keep Routh! Keep the story going and most of all KEEP SUPERMAN SUPERMAN! PLEASE!!!!

Dave Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 06:31 AM EST

Hi guys me again, I really hope that Warner Brothers does not reset/reboot the Superman franchise. Superman returns wasn't a bad film, it have real critics out there, but thats just a small fraction. But hear me out, just imagine that this film made people sit on the floor of the theatres in my country when all the tickets were sold out. Imagine that. Many of them wants a seuqel knowing that Bryan Singer is capable of making a great sequel to his films. So please hear these die hard Superman fans Warner Brothers and please continue with Superman Returns with the same cast but a more action packed background.

Jorge Eguquiza Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 01:41 PM EST

Superman Returns wasn't a flop and this reboot thing is a huge mistake. Hopefully Warner will wake up and make the right choice! Bring Routh Back!

A. Jensen Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:58 AM EST

I thought Superman Returns was a great film, and that Brandon Routh's performance was perfect. I particularly loved the dramatic elements of the film, and that, I think, is what Warner Brothers should focus on. Superman isn't a dark character, but there's no reason why he can't be a dramatic one. A sequel to Superman Returns could build on the established dramatic elements of the previous film, while adding more action. I sincerely hope that Warner Brothers' comments have been misinterpreted, and that this is the approach they're considering.

Gregory Young Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 05:11 PM EST

i would hope that wanrer brothers doesn't go by a reboot and do a sequel to superman returns cause the way they plan to go with superman is wrong u can't make superman dark that's not the way to go trust brian with a sequel bring routh and company back they can do it and make it a great film

Jose Argumedo Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 01:33 PM EST

A reboot to Superman is a foolish mistake. People have just gotten reacquainted with the Man of Steel as Brandon Routh, and you want to replace him? Bryan is known for making sequels better than originals, just look at X-men to X2.

HandsomeBoy Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 04:02 PM EST

Thank God! Superman Returns was one of the worst movies ever made in the history of cinema. Great action sequences, Superman lifts a huge rock into space, how exciting.

Gregory Young Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:17 AM EST

thanks for the info michelle you made a good point about how much superman returns made people might not know that superman returns made more money than batman begins world wide so i think that if brian makes his sequel with routh and company he can do a good job with it

stonehenge Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 03:09 AM EST

Forgot to say.....

I can assure you WB, if you're reading this. I'm not the only one who was brought in to the fandom of Superman (or shall I say, the fandom of Superman Returns)like that. There're a lot of people around me who became a big fan of the film because of how it was made. And they are all utterly disappointed and saying they won't be going to see the new film in cinema if it comes out totally re-boot. I'm sure you're happy to hear that.

stonehenge Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 03:04 AM EST

I was not a Superman fan. In fact, I've never been a fan of super hero films or comics. I only watched SR because my friend forced me to watch DVD with her who'd watched the film with her teenage children in cinema and became a huge fan.
SR left me speechless. The beauty of imagery, intricacy of characters, moving storyline with depth and weight..... it was much, much more than what I'd expected a superhero movie would be. It changed my world.
I'm really disappointed with WB's decision. If it's not a sequel to SR, I can guarantee I will not spend a single penny to watch the next Superman film.

mason-e Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 02:44 AM EST

What's the point in re-booting the film that was not a failure? OK, they didn't get as much money as they hoped for, but so what? Have they really thought how much they're taking the risk by re-booting the film that received quite favourable reviews, both by fans and film critics all over the world, which came out only 2 years ago? They are only losing a large number of SR fans to gain a very little.
JUST CONTINUE WITH SR, FOR GOD SAKE!!!!!

Michelle Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 06:50 PM EST

I don't get why a sequel can't work... Obviously, A LOT of people went to see the movie or it wouldn't have made 200mil domestically. Why would a reboot work better? Wouldn't they lose all the audience that has been building up for two years now?

And I want Routh back on the roll, too.

Gregory, go to this place, they apparently have all the contact info you ever wanted: http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=28166

Gregory Young Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 04:10 PM EST

i strongly disagree with warner brothers for wanting to make superman darker that's not right it would anger fans because superman is the earth's protector not and angry god but let brian singer do his sequel i hate the idea of a reboot i liked brandon routh as superman and i'm tired of people complaining about superman returns it was a great movie does anyone know a way to get in touch with either warner brothers or legendary pictures i wanna talk to them cause i know making superman dark is a huge mistake

DavidD Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 09:38 PM EST

I've been a fan of Superman since around 1960. As the classic hero, and 1st genuine comic book super hero, there is no other hero either in the Marvel or D.C. universe that can compare.

Superman is just that SUPERMAN.

I keep reading the comments about how great Smallville is. I disagree. The writing is poor, the plots are thin and the liberties taken in distorting the Superman canon is mind boggling.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Smallville, but all of the comments made concerning "Superman Returns" apply with much more force to Smallville.

I'm sorry that I can't communicate directly with Mr. Singer or Mr. Routh. I would donate (more or less), several storylines that would be true to the original but yet contemporary in look and feel. As I commented earlier, the problem with Superman is that most of the people with the means to make and produce the movies don't know Superman. What a shame! Everything that is considered SciFi owes its existence to this classic!!!

Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 06:54 PM EST

As a HUGE fan of Superman Returns, I would very much like to see a sequel to the film rather than a reboot. Despite its flaws, I found SR to be a complex, exciting, and utterly magnificent telling of heroism and love, and I believe it brought a profound and inspiring depth to The Man of Steel.

I'll be forever grateful to Bryan Singer for having the courage to make a film with such incredible heart, and to Brandon Routh for the completely believable and utterly magnificent way in which brought Superman to life. Of course no film or performance is perfect, but I believe that SR honors the spirit of Superman beautifully.

I believe Singer has the passion, talent, experience, and cast to give us an even better film than Returns - one that can honor his vision of Superman and do a better job of pleasing long-time Superman fans and the general movie-going public.

Thanks to SR and Brandon Routh’s portrayal of Superman, I will be a lifelong, die-hard fan of Superman. As such, I plan to enjoy and celebrate any and all things Superman, as long as they are well done. But WB’s desire to make Supes a darker character is of much concern to me. I don’t care how much critical acclaim or $$$ the Batman franchise is racking up – darker is the WRONG direction for Superman. It’s just not who he is.

Another concern is that a reboot could mean years of development limbo for a new Superman film. Finally, Singer has expressed a desire to take the sequel in an action-packed, “Wrath of Khan” direction. Now THAT sounds like an excellent alternative to a reboot, and I believe Bryan Singer has what it takes to maintain a compelling storyline while bringing eye-popping, heart-stopping excitement to the Man of Steel.

blueyes Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 02:32 PM EST

Also, I forgot to say that before watching Superman Returns, I wasn't exactly a fan of Superman, I thought he was ok and had fond memories of the Richard Donner Superman movies with Christopher Reeve. Yeah, I liked them as a small child but then I forgot all about Superman. But then I saw a trailer of SR in the theater and got really curious about it. I wanted to see if the new guy in thights could pull it off. And WOW! Brandon Routh blew me away with his performance. He was just as good as Christopher Reeve as Superman/Clark! And the movie was damn good as well. Sure, it didn't have tons of action, but the story was very interesting and compelling, and it made me care about Superman again. I believed that a man could fly..again. And the plane rescue was amazing! But now, with this awful news of a reboot...I feel so angry! I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IN THE STORY! But most of all, I WANT TO SEE BRANDON BACK IN THE SUIT! IF HE IS NOT COMING BACK, I JUST WON'T BOTHER. Period.

blueyes Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 01:42 PM EST

Excuseme, Mr. Gary Susman, but I think it's rediculous and lazy journalism to even compare a film like Superman IV with Superman Returns! Superman IV is a joke! It only made like $15 mil in the USA and got terrible reviews. On the other hand, Superman Returns is a very good film that got very good reviews and made $200 mil domestically, and nearly $400 mil WW. The film even made more $ than Batman Begins! It seems to me that general audiences liked SR, based on these facts. The film underperformed, I get that; it had a huge badget, but to say that it's a disappointment, well I strongly disagree with that. I know a lot of people who like it. Personally, I loved it.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

The film also got a strong B rating at Yahoo, boxofficemojo, amazon.com. I am totally AGAINST A REBOOT. WHAT SUPERMAN NEEDS IS A SEQUEL AND A POWERFUL AND MORE THREATENING SUPERVILLAIN TO PUNCH.

n.h. Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 02:08 AM EST

This is the voice of a Japanese fan that I translated.
"I've been a fan of Superman since I saw Christopher Reeve's Superman in the movie when I was an elementary school kid. When I heard they were making a new Superman film, I was convinced there was no way anyone could replace Reeve as Superman. But I went to see Superman Returns anyway, because I thought that was my 'duty' to do so as a fan. Then....... after the film was fiished, I was speechless, my eyes were full of tears of joy .... The only thing I could do was to whisper to myself, 'Welcome back, Superman!' "

How will WB say to this guy and millions of other long-time Superman fans who'd waited for the return of their hero fo 20 years and embraced SR and Brandon Routh with enthusiasm?
Do they think they will say 'welcome back' again???? Think about it!

Claire Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:50 AM EST

The revisionist history revolving around this film is stunning. It was very well received by the majority of critics and fans. The complaints were not nearly what they are now after being amplified in an online echo chamber for two years. Some have merit, but most are now to the point of absurd. Enough Monday morning quarterbacking, already! It was a good film, certainly worthy of a sequel with a few adjustments here and there. Kick up the action and eighty percent of the critics are assuaged. Don't go dark just because that's the formula that worked for Batman. And for God's sake, keep Routh on board.

Vincent Bonfanti Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:57 PM EST

I truly believe it would be a huge mistake to make a dark superman movie. Superman is a character that inspires hope in others, making him dark will just be a insult to all the fans and people who have helped make this character who he is for over 70 years. The only reason why Warner Bros is doing this is to bank off the success off the dark knight. To compare Superman to Batman is like comparing day to knight. You need to stick true to character that"s why the last two Batman films were so good besides Superman Returns made more money than Batman Begins and they still made a sequel and look how that turned out.

Bryan Bravo Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM EST

Dark Superman...hmmmm...yeah, that didn't work in Superman III, why in Zeus' butthole would it work now?! Superman is light, not dark. That's why he and Batman don't get along so well most of the time in the comics. And as for all this support of SR going on in these comments...well, personally I thought it needed a lot more action, but I'll agree that Brandon Routh did an impressive job with having such little experience. Any rookie that can get that close to Chris Reeve's stunning interpretation is okay in my book. I wouldn't be opposed to the guy coming back with a better script in hand.

Lana2k5 Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 07:10 PM EST

This news is absolutely ridiculous. Entertainment Weekly gave praise to SR(B+, I do believe), and to Routh as well. So did dozens of other media outlets.

Though the film did have its flaws, Bryan Singer, Brandon Routh and the cast deserve another chance. There were many threads left untied as well.

BRING ROUTH (and Singer) BACK!

Grant Waara Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 04:34 PM EST

Most of the comments here are spot on. My only reservation about "Superman Returns," is that in Donner's original, we saw him save the world from catastrophe and Mr. Singer so obviously reveres this movie that "Superman Returns" was also an homage to it's predecessor. I think fans (at least I do anyway)would like to see Supes fight someone. Not just pull big rocks out of the sea. A villain like say Mongul or Darkseid or even Metallo. As for Mr. Routh, I agree with everyone else. He IS Superman

CoolMatty Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 06:59 AM EST

Most importantly, when "Superman Returns" was about to hit the theaters, Bryan Singer was quoted in various publications, probably even this one as saying, that while he was making "X-Men", who would retire to his trailer, and watch some "5 hour bootleg version" of Richard Donner's Superman!!

Does anyone know where I can find this?

tempest Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 03:42 AM EST

I'd never been a fan of super hero movies simply because it's not a genre of films I usually watch.
I only watched SR because I wanted to see how Singer and K.Spacey co-work after a long time since The Usual Suspect. I didn't have any expactation at all in the film itself.
But the thing changed dramatically after I watched it. I was completely blown away by the beauty of its imagery, the intricacy and depth of the story and its realistic and believable characters. I wouldn't have been here if the film was made any other way.
If WB wants to make the next film darker, that's fine. But please continue the storyline of SR and please, please bring Brandon Routh as Superman.

Andy Lee Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 02:25 AM EST

Superman is not a dark character. The Kents have bought him up to know right from wrong. Batman is a dark character due to his background and origin. If superman goes dark, then I probably wont even bother watching it. I do not believe a reboot of the franchise is nessary.Everyone already knows supermans origin as its already been told in cartoons, smallville etc. so re-telling that will be pointless as third of a movie will be wasted on that. Dont copy Marval.

one final comment: BRING ROUTH BACK

Mario Robles Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 02:17 AM EST

Short & Sweet: There is no necessity for a reboot of the Superman franchise. It was done to the BATMAN and HULK Franchises, respectively, because the last incarnations (BATMAN & ROBIN, and Ang Lee's HULK) were fairly unanimously panned by critics and fans-alike AND they under-performed.

SUPERMAN RETURNS did no such thing. With nearly $400 Million worldwide and a 77% approval of critics across the nation (check RottenTomatoes.com), the movie was FAR from a disaster that has to swept under the rug and rebooted.

The main gripes certain people had, namely the vocal minority on the web and in the Blogosphere, were about pacing and action. These are both things that director Bryan Singer had planned to address in the sequel. There is absolutely NO reason why a direct sequel, with a revamped focus on epic action, a tighter budget, and sharper editting, couldn't be a huge success.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Alexander Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 02:05 AM EST

Direct your browsers here to the Bring Routh Back movement!

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=28166

absoluteimp Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:57 AM EST

Bring Back Routh! He is the very essence of Superman and I for one want him back for the next movie! You simply cannot introduce another Superman at this point, because he's it! Show your support for Brandon and find out what you can do HERE:


http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=28166


And a dark Superman is NOT what Superman fans want. Its ludicrous!

Alexander Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:40 AM EST

Bring Routh Back! He is Superman and has personified the role ever since his character walked onto that rescued plane and asked "Is everyone all right?" Give Routh and Singer another chance to complete the story they set out to make. Singer has proven he can give us more action and a more tightly woven story, as evidenced by the brilliance that is X2 - X-Men United. All the concerns that Warner Brothers have can be addressed appropiately in a second movie. We want to see more of Routh and more of what was suppose to be in store. You hear us, Robinov? We want more!

Rose Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:34 AM EST

I liked Superman Returns, Brandon Routh did a great job and I don't want to see anyone else in the role. They should continue with the story but give it more action with a foe thats as menacing and mesmerizing as Heath Ledger's Joker and you got a winner!!

Chris Galea Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:59 AM EST

superman returns was a good movie and they should continue the series with the same characters however his son should be in his teens and his son should be the new super villian making the story darker. Brandon Routh did a great job as superman it was never going to be easy i cant imagine anyone else wearing the suit and looking good in it.

Kevin Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:32 AM EST

NO REBOOT!

GIVE US A SEQUEL!!

BRING ROUTH BACK!!!

Aaron Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:24 AM EST

This is BY FAR the dumbest news I've heard in the last 3 years. Despite its minor flaws, Superman Returns was a very good movie. Why start completely over? What happens if the reboot fails, huh? Are you going to reboot the reboot and so on? Truely dumb. And probably worst of all, we lose Brandon Routh, who was a very solid Man of Steel. Even should you money-grubbing jackals decide to reboot everything and not just revamp it, I pray to god you at least keep Brandon. That young man worked his butt off for this role and deserves second chance to make it his own.

Lastly, to the wonderful faction at WB who didn't support a sequel to SR, I hate you all and I hope Marvel continues to pummel you in the movie scene because you clearly don't deserve to be on top with the choices you make.

Chase Finished Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:15 PM EST

Singer should tap Geoff Johns as the Superman franchise's David Goyer. He needs a mythology keeper to give him direction. That minor tweak will be the cure for SR2ers and Rebooters alike. I know it.

BRING BACK ROUTH, and the cast...and SINGER. Add Johns as the Super equivalent of Batman's David Goyer.

Have you ever loved doing something, but found yourself not doing it as well as you had originally hoped you would? The natural reaction is to want a second chance. SR WASN'T A FAILURE...

GIVE THE MEN A SECOND CHANCE...all of them: Singer, Routh, Spacey, Huntington...and Superman.

It's not an investment if you run as soon as you're able.

Chase More Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14 PM EST

And it SHOULD be a SEQUEL, friends. Admit it. The kid could be an interesting plot to follow. Think of adapting elements of Action Comics' "Last Son" and the elements of Brainiac and "New Krypton." Geoff Johns is essentially writing the SR franchise already!

Yes, I said "Admit it." Admit that if they do a sequel to SR and it's jam packed with action and proper characterization, as well as a plot that reveals Jason to be a finite plot element, you'll be there with bells on. And you won't even remember wanting a reboot.

How could such a thing happen?

Singer should tap Geoff Johns as the Superman franchise's David Goyer.

Vanna Land Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 PM EST

SR was a great movie and Brandon Routh is the perfect Superman on and off the screen.

Bring Routh Back

Join in our campaign at http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=28166

Chase Continued Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 PM EST

The film's story dictated that there couldn't be though, and that was the intention, to cautiously introduce a brighter, hopeful character into a world of Sin City, Hostel, and whatever else. A world jaded and bitter in its lust for blood and grit.

Introducing an EVEN DARKER Superman is the most half-cocked thing I've heard since news of George Miller's Justice League movie first surfaced!

The story of SR ended with Superman at peace, ready to be full on SUPERMAN, THE MAN OF STEEL once again...no reservations. No distractions. So, the film's darker flaws are gone as SR2 or MOS begins...

Chase Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:10 PM EST

I'm tired of coming back to this point over and over with the character. I'm sick of catching wind of WB's latest stupid plan for Superman, and then feeling like I'm going to throw up for fear that what they intend might actually happen!

I mean, back before Singer was announced as the next movie's director and that his movie would be called "Superman Returns," I was terrified. But then the announcement came, and I not only calmed down and found peace over the whole situation, but I became more and more excited every time Singer spoke on the subject!

It seemed, AT LAST that that terrible feeling that had loomed around every Super pre-production for years on end was solved...CURED. The franchise had landed in very capable and respectful hands.

But here we are AGAIN.

I agree with the folks that say that if SR had any REAL flaws it was that there wasn't enough cheerful, bright Superman. The film's story dictated that there couldn't be though, and that was the intention, to cautiously i

Fred Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:06 PM EST

The Donner film universe (Superman I & II) created a world and continuity that is as classic as any other sci-fi/fantasy film ever committed to celluloid. Singer picked up that legacy, paid homage to it, and took us somewhere new. Don't reboot.

Give Singer another chance to show what he had in store for his favorite hero and ours! Bring Routh Back along with the director that discovered him.

Superman isn't Batman. He's Superman. Singer understands that. Routh understands that. That FANS understand that. It's my prayer, that the executives at Warner Bros. will learn to understand that too...before they alienate their audience and ruin a young franchise ready to mature.

BRING ON THE SUPERMAN RETURNS SEQUEL!

BRING ROUTH BACK!!!

CTWN Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:27 PM EST

I don't think the film needs to be darker, but it does need to be more realistic. One poster mentioned that Superman should be out looking for Osama bin Laden; this is a very valid point. Superman should be seeking out terrorists, and I don't think the film should gloss over 9/11. Similarly, the religio-political impacts of a super-man should also be addressed. How does Superman's presence affect the myriad messianic prophecies in all three Abrahamic traditions? Moreover, we need to see consequences for Superman's choices. Superman is a super-man, but he cannot be at two places at the same time. Similar to The Dark Knight, we need to see how Superman's decisions lead to conflict (both internally and externally). Also, cast the film properly! Try Elizabeth Banks as Lois Lane. What about Patrick Stewart for Lex Luther? Finally, hire a great director/writer(s) combo--what about David Fincher/J.J. Abrams?

Danielle Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 09:39 PM EST

The true problem with Superman Returns is not the darkness, but the use of hero vs. villain action. Batman and Spiderman can fight their villains one-on-one. That can not happen in a Superman movie unless they have unique superpowers of their own. We demand more from our heroes now and the comics answered that challenge with more compelling villains. I hope that the next Superman includes better challenging villains and tells more compelling stories. There are enough stories in the world right now to draw from. This is the time that the worlds needs a Super-man.

donald Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 07:06 PM EST

i thought it was a good movie superman returns and i hopeif they ever make a wonder woman movie they make the actress beautiful like ly carter but a warrior not campy like tv series!

TheVillageVideot.blogspot.com Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 06:11 PM EST

Once again, a major studio decides to copy success (this time from them- selves) without understanding what should be copied. Why was The Dark Knight and Batman Begins so suc- cessful? Hmmmm....not good script, not good actors, not good direction, ...oh I know, because it was dark!! Maybe just maybe, Superman Returns did not meet expectations (but let's face it, grossing $392 million worldwide is not failure)because as a movie it was good but not great, and would have done better if it was an ACTION movie instead of a romance. Maybe, just maybe, Warner's should try to copy the emphasis placed on putting together talented people to make a movie, rather than assume a single element makes all the dif- ference. Batman's darkness if organic, is the reason Bruce Wayne is Batman, and the source material for the movie lead to Bruce Wayne's character and the look and feel of the movie. Superman is who he is because he rises above the human negatives - embracing them is a mistake. TVV

Brent Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 06:02 PM EST

than Ms. Bosworth was able to illustrate. Take a cue from Smallville and the original Donner film which still stands the test of time as action/fantasy classic...greater character interaction, conflict of ideology, and huge impossible stunts that remind us why he's "Superman." While Superman Returns defintely had the latter...some of its other aspects made is slight lacking in the former. But please...just because it's not easy to do well doesn't mean you need to have "Vengefull Killing Superman" or "Humanity is So Flawed Why Do I Bother" Superman...
Please don't go back to the Luthor FBI agent who inject himself to also become superpowered version. In our technological age give us a great Braniac story...Superman representing Man versus technology and our parasitic interdependence on its use and consumption. Or have the Man of Steel prevent an entire Alien invasion. Or do a take on Bizarro illustrating the difference between the "dark"-type hero and the Man of Tomorrow...

Brent Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 05:55 PM EST

Batman is meant to be the complex psychological crime drama. Superman is about character in the face of adversity...and doing one's best to stay true to an ideal. It has been well illustrated on Smallville. Superman is also a classic science fiction character...the "Super Man." I have appreciated his film incarnations have been large and majestic and major events...they needn't be as episodic and his television or monthly publications. I had looked foward to seeing more in Singer's film...why Superman was relevant to people despite his "abscence." The film also lacked a certain amount of action for the average summer film goer...and mostly the casting and interplay between a few of the characters is perhpas what injured it most. I marvel at how Erica Durance epitomizes the most perfect amalgamation of all aspects of Lois as she has been written over the years. Her cynicism, the perfect foil to Clark's ideology, is more readily potrayed in a 2 minute episode intro to Smallville

Brent Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 05:48 PM EST

Yeah! Superman needs to be dark dark DARK---in the words of Spacey's Lex Luthor---WRONG!

Please...his enduring popularity through many eras of comic book lore and what his best tellings are always brought back to...his representation of the BEST of humanity...even when it puts us at a disadvantage. I don't know that Marvel's film depictions are so much DARKER than the books...quite the contrary in fact. But as Spidey is the icon of the luckless cynic who does the right thing, Stark is the epitomy of the self-made man doing the right thing constantly wary of his own faults (alcoholism), and the Hulk is the tell of the rage and anger we all try to keep in check. Batman...is all about dark...he's the victim taking power...Pluto of the crime underworld...he maintains a sense of right and wrong...but he is shadow of fate and justice as Superman is the light of hope and inspiration. This was illustrated well in Singer's film...it merely suffered from a few filmmaking issues...

Chris Galea Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 04:32 PM EST

superman returns was a good movie and they should continue the series with the same characters however his son should be in his teens and his son should be the new super villian making the story darker. Brandon Routh did a great job as superman it was never going to be easy i cant imagine anyone else wearing the suit and looking good in it.

Omegus Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 02:33 PM EST

First I just want to say that Superman Returns was no where near as bad as Superman IV. Now I think a change would not be such a bad idea. I don't feel he needs to be dark like Batman of late. However It would be interesting to see Superman in a different light. I believe the world needs to see that he's not always the boyscout that always does the right thing and doesn't make mistakes or suffer from emotional distress.

Misha Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 02:33 PM EST

I'm all for a more mature and adult approach like TDK has, and I would even find very interesting to explore Superman's mind and the way he sees the Earth and his own life. But that's as dark as I want to get. I want to see a sequel to Returns and see how he deals with how things ended there. I want to see Routh back as Superman too. The original article stated "re-introduce" and I can see how a sequel can do exactly that without being a confusing mess of new cast and "forget that other plot".

Take the new direction to where you need it, but I think there are enough elements to play with already in place with Returns to just let it go and reboot all of the sudden.

Rick Nakon Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM EST

superman cont'd...one other thing we the fans would like to see...Superman being super and not getting the crap kicked out of him all the time...have you ever seen the 50's tv serial w/George Reeves..now there was a superman when he came on screen you new someone was in trouble..you could also try a Kingdom Come movie and then work backwards towards a Superman or Wonderwoman movie..just be sure to get Michael Keaton as Batman if you go here he'd be cool...

Superman is worth saving, he started it all, after all..the age of heroes might not be the same if not for his grand entry in 1939..how about doing something cool for his 70th birthday next year?? just a thought. Oh by the way WB, rumor had it that Bizarro Superman was actually in Superman4 but got cut?...might have been a better movie, have you seen the fan movie combining supes3 &4 its way cool....

Rick Nakon Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM EST

hello Warner Bros...do you ever read things or ask your comic readers what they want? Look at your dismal returns on Superman IV,Catwoman, Batman&Robin, Superman Returns...do you guys like loosing ,illions of dollars? Have you seen what Marvel has been doing? Now you got it right with Batman Begins & the Dark Knight, so do not ever loose Christopher Nolan!!...but here's a thought...if you care to LISTEN to your fans..we want Superman..big, bright, larger than life and NOT dark!, and you have a perfect model for this right now that fans love and that's SMALLVILLE...we'd like to see Tom Weller in the Super-suit! and a big screen version of the on going series and the Lex Luther from TV..he's the best and fits his comic counter part perfectly as does Tom Weller...hey want to make a great movie,? why not check out the Fan-made movies of World's Finest or Batman Dead-end and maybe you'll learn something..why not let frank miller or grant morrison right it???....want ideas ask the fans

Here we go again... Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM EST

Great, another reebot. Like nobody knows how Supes came to be...

You want a darker, gritter movie? Don't make Superman darker, he is the quinteseential do-right. Make a plot with a phyrric victory, or a can't-save-humans-from-themselves thing. Or turn him into a liability. If all else fails, dig up Doomsday. But whatever is done, I won't see it if Lex Luthor is in it again; boring already.

Allen Pinney Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 08:48 AM EST

No, not a 'dark' Superman, but a dark Superman movie, yes. It could be... http://allenpinney.blogspot.com/

Allen Clark Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 07:26 AM EST

Leave Superman alone.The DC Universe has other characters that deserve a shot after all i wouldn't have thought of Iron Man as being a box office hit but Downey Jr did it.You want dark follow the Justice League and go for the story of Green Lantern you will have watchers.

Dave Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 06:53 AM EST

I am a big fan of Superman. First of all, let me say that Superman Returns was not really an A class movie but it was worth a look. Furthermore, for all you Smallville Tom Welling fans he can only be Clark Kent in Smallville. This is So because Smallville has corrupted short sighted people and what they think of Superman. With respect to Superman Returns, it was very tough bringing hm back to the big screen from the Christopher Reeve movies. Brandon Routh had the looks and physically apperance and also his resemblance to Chris. For those are die hard fans of Superman they would appreciate the movie. For action goers, this film would not be good to them. So all in all, do not reboot the franchise, have the same cast but with a darker story with a super villain.

Dave Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 06:51 AM EST

I am a big fan of Superman. First of all, let me say that Superman Returns was not really an A class movie but it was worth a look. Furthermore, for al you Smallville Tom Welling fans he can only be Clark Kent in Smallville. This is So because Smallville has corrupted short sighted people and what they think of Superman. With respect to Superman Returns, it was very tough bringing hm back to the big screen from the Christopher Reeve movies. Brandon Routh had the looks and physically apperance and also his resemblance to Chris. For those are die hard fans of Superman they would appreciate the movie. For action goers, this film would not be good to them. So all in all, do not reboot the franchise, have the same cast but with a darker story with a super villain.

DarkHawke Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 05:52 AM EST

As was pointed out on Aintitcoolnews.com (when this was a fresh story last week!), we already GOT a "dark Superman movie" with Superman Returns! Show me where was the optimism, hope and joy in that turgid little effort! For all the flash and dash of the thing, not to mention a GREAT Superman, that movie was mired in dour and depressing from jump. Singer, for all of his understandable love of the Donner & Lester pictures, should have started fresh...and should have picked better for Lois Lane and Perry White. You want Superman as he should be? Get a DVD of the recent animated series. A PERFECT example of the classic hero brought into the 21st century with all his gusto and heroism intact. THERE is your template for the next Superman movie!

Dora Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 05:15 AM EST

Actually Pattinson as Clark Kent would be fun to see. He did a great uncool guy in Bad Mother's Handbook

jen Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 05:12 AM EST

If they picked Robert Pattinson for this I just might start watching Superman films.

News Worthy Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 03:38 AM EST

The Dark Knight is a dark Batman because of the source material. It isn't a campy remake. Bruce Wayne lost his parents and saw what they built start to be destroyed. He donned a cape and mask and became a hero battling the night.

A dark Superman that isn't what people are used to...I think not. But lets try this on: let Tom Welling complete his stint as America's beloved Clark Kent and then produce a movie with Welling as Superman. Then there would be 7+ years of emotional torment to rely upon for a dark Superman. As long as, the Big Blue Boyscout won out in the end.

But, lets be honest. If done correctly, it will be good (with the right actors).

Mike Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 01:43 AM EST

I agree that a "Dark" Superman isn't going to do too well... but if they wanted a "darker" story... include some real bada** villains, like the version of Brainiac, Lex, even Bizarro from Smallville, that really put Superman to the test. :-/

Raheem Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM EST

As usual, the studio is misreading the tea leaves. The reason for "The Dark Knight's" success wasn't some fascile attempt at moodiness. The film resonated powerfully because it spoke directly to these paranoid, combustible times. (A shameless plug: I wrote a column about "Knight's" appeal at http://www.ledger-dispatch.com/opinion/opinionview.asp?c=247247) But that doesn't mean Superman should be Warner Bros. square peg. Understand the timeless appeal of the character and find someone to elevate that to the screen in a new, challenging way, as Christopher Nolan did. While not crazy about "Superman Returns," I would have liked to see Singer's second effort. Has anyone else noticed that the recent slate of comic book films hit their stride with the second films in their respective franchises (X2, Spider-Man II, The Dark Knight)?

Captain Average Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:12 PM EST

If the folks at Warner Bros. are seriously considering a darker Superman movie, then they are idiots!

The Batman movies are popular because they feel authentic - Batman is a very dark character.

The audience appreciates the character not because he is dark, but because the films are faithfully adapted, tonally, from the original material.

Superman, on the other hand, is the Big Blue Boy Scout. Making a darker Superman movie would be making a film that was not faithful to the spirit of the source material. I'm surprised that the studio suits at Warners don't get that.

As a comparison, Marvel's movies have not all been dark and they've [mostly] been hits. Iron Man is edgy, but not too edgy, and has plenty of the Marvel brand of humor to offset the more dramatic moments.

The Incredible Hulk is darker than Iron Man, as befits a movie based on a darker comic.

It all depends on the source material - and Superman simply is not that dark a character.

Darth Nihilus Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:19 PM EST

You forgot to mention Supes survived the awful "Superman III" as well. Superman Returns had some problems (not enough action and a terrible Lois Lane), but it was WAAAAY better than Superman III or IV (the worst of all!).

superChristine Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 09:04 PM EST

Superman is old news, wanna see the next super hero

http://www.yournobody.com/2008/08/26/why-paris-hilton-should-be-banned-from-tv/

Sally in Chicago Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 08:12 PM EST

I'm with Ann: Too much superhero overkill. I don't even go see those type movies anymore.

Adam Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:35 PM EST

Does everyone forget that they made Spider-Man darker in "Spider-Man 3," and it was easily the worst film of the series? Simply giving a random superhero a brooding, aggresive, and morally conflicted makeover does not magically make the resulting film "important," or "relevant," or, for that matter, "watchable." What's next, a tormented "Howard the Duck?"

Roger Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:29 PM EST

You can make the story dark, edgy and brooding without making the character himself dark. Action Comics #775 is a perfect example. Titled "What's so funny about Truth, Justice & the American Way," it featured the appearance of new superheroes called the Elite who were willing to kill villains with no regard for civilian loss of life or property destruction. However, the public still thought they were the future, that killing was acceptable, & that Superman's refusal to kill was outdated thinking. He eventually fought the Elite on one of the moons of Jupiter which was televised all over Earth. In that battle, Superman gave in to public sentiment by killing the Elite except their leader Manchester Black who he left powerless. His actions horrified the people on Earth who realized too late that Superman was right that he doesn't have to kill to be a hero. Superman then reveals that the Elite were still alive & should they return, he will stop them, but will not kill them to do so.

anne Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:15 PM EST

could we just let all the superhero stuff go! for god's sake there has to be something else to make a movie about!

EPro Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:50 PM EST

I am tossing my hat into the "liked" Superman Returns ring. And I'm going to agree with elkdoctor; A film adaptation of "Red Son" would be Ah-mazing!

But seriously, trying to make the next Superman movie a carbon copy of TDK will not work. At all.

lostfan Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:28 PM EST

Thank goodness. This article is cathartic. I've spent the last 2 years trying to EXPLAIN to people the last movie was even a disappointment. They defend it, and anything Bryan Singer does, to the hilt. Either a darker Superman or bullying Superman would work. The other way to go would be to do a Batman v. Superman and show how Superman really is the more adjusted of the two. Show that his decision to be likeable is an actual decision, much like Batman's to be dark is. Some honesty would help this character.

Pancakeke Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:07 PM EST

I think the success of a movie should not be measured by the box office number. Dark Knight did extremely well, but just making something dark does fit in every formula. Lets see what Singer can do. He made X-Men awesome.. lets give him a chance..

MikeyG Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:46 PM EST

OK, so Dark Knight was popular....and Dark and now they have to try to make Superman dark? Thats not what it needs. It can be intense without being Dark and brooding. We just need a good script.
Here's hoping Warner finally passes the buton to Tom Welling. He deserves and is a lot better than Routh was.

stryker Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:35 PM EST

Personally, I don't think this would work out that well. Have they read the comic books? Yes, there are times when it gets 'dark', but a Superman that was 'too dark' would just feel like another superhero altogether. And besides, a lot of people see Superman as a 'darker' (for lack of another word) version of Captain America anyway. If they really want to remake the Superman series, go back to the basics, start the story anew, maybe make it a little more modern, but keep the ideals the same. Superman is nothing without those.

Jake Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:28 PM EST

There's a world of difference between how dark Batman comes across/is and the Marvel super heros mentioned, as filmed, or in the comics. Ironman was not dark. He was a drunk, fun-loving playboy. Either version of the Hulk was a failure so they really don't enter the picture - but they were more tormented souls, than dark individuals. Some of the X-men are definitely dark-- but then again some of them are the bad guys and the main characters (the main X-Men), even wolverine, are all inherently good and positive. While Wolverine might be an "animal" that was "given claws" - as the second movie indicated, he also saved the children at the school, acted on their behalf and became a team player.

You (the author) really have no clue. Having no clue is not a license to blather your mouth off, simply because you can post on line.

Joe A Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:22 PM EST

If they're going to go darker with Superman, the perfect model to use is the Mark Waid/Alex Ross version from "Kingdom Come" For a hero that has almost godlike abilities, wouldn't it make sense for him to take it on himself to solve all the world's problems? The cost though, would be mankind's ability to be self sufficient, solve their own problems, and grow as a species. This version of Superman was just as dark as Batman at times and even came into conflict with his beliefs.

Valcan Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:22 PM EST

I see a few people have the same thoughts I mentioned earlier. A succesful trilogy has to have a cohesive cycle. Like I said, Lex Luthor is an ideal villain if done properly. As the trilogy unfolds the world around Superman can become more and more dark and he is the beacon of light. He is the symbol that the people of Earth rally around to fight back against the evil machinations of Lex Luthor and Darkseid. Start the conflict with Luthor as a world wide power behind Intergang while maintinaing the facade of respectability. Superman can never outright expose him because that is how great Luthor is as a villain. Then in a world that is at the brink of destroying itself you introduce Doomsday to essentially bring about the end of Superman and human resistance. In the finale learn that Darkseid has been pulling all the strings and now looks to enslave Earth now that things are in ruin and Superman is dead. Superman rises up again to end Darkseids assault and kick butt!! $BANK$!!

MP Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:16 PM EST

I guess making a "dark" movie doesn't absolutely mean taking Superman in a dark direction as a character. The Bad Guy could bring the blackness while the Man of Steel remains his old Eagle Scout self. What was missing from the last movie was great action. It's all about the villain & their plot, and we deserve better than Lex Luthor's Latest Real Estate Scam. Pick a villain who can give the Man of Tomorrow a real run for his money, and the movie can totally rock!

ladybuggs717 Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:12 PM EST

If you want to make the movie darker, fine. Have Darkseid kill the kid (his son) and have Superman have to deal with the desire to kill the being that killed his kid at odds with his need to never take a life. That’s how they can make the Superman movie darker without making Superman too dark, alienating fans of the comic and going over the edge. BTW, I loved Superman Returns. I thought it was the perfect introduction of a new Superman, but stick-thin, lollypop head Kate Bosworth and her kid really need to go. Get a real actress, one who can show emotion and who can actually ACT, for crying out loud. Kate bosworth was just awful in that movie. keep Brandon Routh, keep Kevin spacey, dump everyone else.

Matty Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:54 PM EST

You want a darker, deeper Superman. Kill Him. Make it a Trilogy. Death of Superman. Rebirth. The Return. Follow the Doomsday arc from beginning to end, the RIGHT way. Bring back the writers of that comic. Do it properly. All the cameos of other superheroes would lead up to a great deal of leads for other movies. Do it!

Brad L. Wooldridge Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:49 PM EST

We don't need a dark, brooding Superman. In fact, that's sort of what we got in "Returns." We need the Superman of the John Byrne Post-Crisis era. A Superman who is confident and self-assured, but not arrogant. A Superman who enjoys his power and enjoys using them. A Superman who possesses an infallible trust in humanity...so much so, he's willing to fight crime without a mask.

And why do we need yet another origin story for Superman. It's been done to death. Just give us a rollicking action-adventure where Superman actually hits something or somebody, preferably Brainiac or Darkseid.

WB has it in them to give us a great Superman movie. They just haven't done it yet and really don't know how to.

Neillfilm Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:40 PM EST

They need to kill him. The Death of Superman was one of the greatest story lines that he ever went through. There's your trilogy right there. He dies, the world without him, and in the end he comes back.

D from Seattle Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:14 PM EST

The way to pull off a 'Darker Superman' is to give him a villain who would push him into that darkness. Similar to Batman's Joker in The Dark Knight. Although Batman didn't cross all the way into darkness, he walked that thin line and his inability to go all the way is what gave the movie that hopeless tension, resulting in a more mature, moody film that adults (who have more money to spend on movies than kids) will flock to see. I think it's a great idea.


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