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The woman who decides what movies you get to see

Jul 11, 2008, 08:30 AM | by Gary Susman

Categories: Film, Whining

Poltergeist_l I thought I knew plenty about how the movie ratings board operates, but this interview in the Stanford alumni magazine with ratings board chair Joan Graves featured some admissions about board policy that were news to me, and that do not paint the system in a flattering light. Graves offers the usual disclaimers that the board is not about censorship (though when filmmakers and studios rely on your leniency in order to release and market their movies, that excuse rings hollow), but she does acknowledge for the first time that I've seen that there is "ratings creep" (that is, that the board has become more lax over the years about certain content, notably, gross-out humor), and that the board now looks at screenplays and tells filmmakers and studios what will and will not pass muster before even a single frame of film is shot. How does that differ at all from the censorship of the pre-1968 Production Code, when studios had to submit scripts to the Code censors before they could shoot? Graves does not say (and the interviewer* does not ask her).

Graves also implicitly acknowledges the longstanding complaint that the board is friendlier to studio films than to indie films by suggesting that the studios are better at gaming the system because they have full-time liaisons in place to deal with the board. She does say, however, that the board is now more likely to talk directly to the filmmakers than to go through a studio intermediary, so that's a positive step.

Another interesting tidbit: Graves notes that people in different parts of the country find different types of content objectionable. Left unasked and unanswered: how, then, are its content recommendations useful to the whole country? And how does a group do justice to the geographic diversity of the nation when all its members presumably come from southern California?

The ratings board, as Graves describes it, is all about the judgment of the parents who are its members, and that judgment is sometimes fallible, she implies, citing herself as an example. Her now-grown daughter told her her life had been "ruined" because Graves let her watch Poltergeist (pictured) as a child. Not sure how this anecdote helps her case: it suggests that either the judgment of the board is questionable, or else that its recommendations to parents are useless if parents disregard them.

Tell us, PopWatchers, how do you think the current ratings system could be improved? Do you know of anyone who was scarred for life by seeing an inappropriate movie as a child?

*Funny side note: Graves is so notoriously press-shy that Los Angeles Times movie columnist Patrick Goldstein was astonished to learn that the Stanford mag reporter who scooped him with the Graves "get" was... his own wife.

Lesley Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 01:33 PM EST

To RayT

This is off topic (sort of) but I had to comment. I wonder exactly why Wall-E got a 1 for sexual content. There isn't any. I mean, there is some handholding. Robot handholding. And two of the humans touch hands. Wow.

ericalina Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 07:38 PM EST

I am so thrilled that someone else watched Poltergeist WAY TOO YOUNG. I have encountered many other women my age (nearly 30) who cannot BELIEVE that their parents let them watch Poltergeist. I have no idea why our parents thought this was a good idea. A little girl, gets sucked in to hell through a television. Meanwhile the swimming pool is filled with dead people and clown toys strangle you under your bed. Good call for a 5 year old! I am so glad I am not alone!!!

RayT Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 06:24 PM EST

I'm kind of disappointed the interviewer mentioned "This Film is Not Yet Rated" but never directly asked Graves what she thought of the documentary. She HAS to have seen it. But I think the absolute best way to solve all the problems from this system is to completely abandon the letter ratings and switch to the system used by the website kids-in-mind.com. This site uses 3 numbers, each 0-10. The first number denotes the amount of sex, the second number, the amount of violence, the third number, the amount of bad language. For instance, "Wanted" is rated 7.8.9 and "Wall-E" is rated 1.2.1. This would eliminate the stigma that NC-17 films have and might finally get arthouse films with that rating played in those big multiplexes. As for the film that freaked me out as a kid, mine is a strang one: the scene in "The Poseidon Adventure" where Shelley Winters has to swim through the flooded hallway and then later dies of a heart attack. It's why I'm claustrophobic and hate water!

Brandon Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:36 AM EST


I think of all the things that scared me as a child:

-Unicron from Transformers: The Movie
-The ear parasites from Star Trek II
-Luke getting his hand cut off.
-Penguin biting the guys nose in Batman 2.
-The chestburster scene from Spaceballs.

Damn, I was scared of a lot stupid stuff as a kid.

Jessi Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 03:13 AM EST

While I'm pretty sure Dark Knight is not for children, I'd let older kids (9 or 10) see Batman Begins. My mom absolutely refused to let me see Batman Returns as an 8 year old, but in retrospect, I would've been bothered by The Penguin. But Batman Begins? I could've handled that one. I saw Batman Forever when I was 10, and I loved it, complete with Two-Face.

My mom also told me I couldn't see Nightmare Before Christmas at 9, without checking it out. I let my five-year-old niece see it, and she absolutely loved it.

It's like the rides at Disney World: I loved Pirates of the Caribbean at 5, but was scarred for life by The Maelstrom. It depends on the child, how mature they are, etc.

Heather Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 05:03 PM EST

Maybe I'm odd, but my favorite movie growing up (started watching at age 10) was R rated! I remember singing and dancing to songs from "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" with a group of friends. Most of the sex went WAY over our heads, we just liked the music :)

elly Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 02:54 PM EST

oh, and here's a tip, since it's premiering next week: THE DARK KNIGHT IS NOT FOR CHILDREN. just like 'batman begins' wasn't for your children. the 8-year old boy brought to see it one of the times i went a) didn't understand it, because it's not for children, and b) was crying throughout the entire second half, because it's not for children. thanks, mom!

elly Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 02:52 PM EST

i fully support restricting content access to children and youth - that's just common sense. the only thing seeing 'alien' for the first time at 12 did for me was freak me out - it was an unnecessary exposure to horror, since i was two young to understand the movie anyways. that being said, i think access should be a parental issue - but it's clearly something they can't be bothered with, like the guy who had his two under age-10 kids at "casino royale" - not only were they constantly asking questions as they didn't understand a word, but then the dad turns to his daughter at the end of the genital torture scene and asks, "was that okay for you?". the whole point, pops, is that she doesn't yet have that kind of discernment - and what kid is going to admit that they just saw something "naughty"? folks taking little ones to see 'sin city', 'pan's labyrinth'...i could rant on this all day. it's as irresponsible and dumb as 'pan' is horrific.

Alex Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 02:47 PM EST

From the Stanford article: "Nowadays Graves’ office even accepts scripts to review for a ratings opinion." That doesn't sound like scripts are required to be submitted -- just that they can be submitted if the studio wants to vet a script before it's been shot. That's not censorship in my mind -- just a studio trying to make sure they get the rating they want.

drella66 Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM EST

"This Film is not Yet Rated" is a great documentary and really opened my eyes. I found this documentary incrediably informative and brought to light facts that I had not really known or understood the what the rating system actually entailed and the MPAA itself. While I was not especially suprised by the fact that the system seems to have some mysognistic tendicies, I was awed in the in a manner that the sexism and double standards are put in action.

GingerCat Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM EST

"Her now-grown daughter told her her life had been "ruined" because Graves let her watch Poltergeist (pictured) as a child." I sincerely hope her daughter was kidding. Otherwise, get a grip, woman! If the worst thing your parents ever did was let you watch a horror movie you probably begged to see at the time, you're actually in pretty good shape.
As for the ratings board, they suck. But it wouldn't matter so much if studios weren't always clamoring for PG-13 as opposed to R. Further, theater chains and DVD-rental chains usually refuse to carry films labeled NC-17. I wish they'd stop being so squeamish and realize adults have a right to decide for themselves what they want to watch, and they shouldn't rob us of good moviegoing experiences for no good reason.

jer Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:58 AM EST

ratings are useless. and so is the ratings board. it's time we discontinue this broken system altogether.

Erin Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:38 AM EST

Interesting article. I would highly recommend that you watch the documentary "This Film is not Yet Rated" because it greatly elaborates on this topic. What I thought was particularly hypocritical was that screeners are supposed to generally be parents with children under 17 and they should serve for no more than a couple of years. Most if not all of the screeners they identified had kids in their 20s and had been screeners for 10+ years. Not surprisingly, it was rated NC-17. Good call MPAA.

Rahul Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM EST

The board allows ridiculous amounts of violence to be shown in R-rated movies but still slams movies with sex. Hopefully this will change. I think releasing more red band trailers is a start.

JMC Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM EST

The only movie that ever gave me nightmares as a kid was Neverending Story (shut up, that wolf thing was terrifying). Meanwhile, seeing Jurassic Park at midnight on my eighth birthday is one of my favorite memories. It depends on the kid, the parents, and the movie. Ratings are fine so long as they are accurate and don't stop great films from being produced, which the current ones do.

Broadway Baby Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM EST

A ratings board is of course going to be subjective which is why in a perfect world the board would consist of a demographically diverse group of people who would actually meet to decide every film's rating. That obviously would take a lot of time and money and have to be regulated and I for one am not willing to have my tax dollars currently go to such a venture. So as a parent I have to take the ratings I am given with what I know about the filmmakers and story and more often than not sit with my kids when watching a show for the first time or watch it without them to judge the whether it is appropriate or not. I find ratings helpful, but know they are never going to be the end all be all for the final okay for my children.

Emilee Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:15 AM EST

I'm going to second "Poltergeist." That film freaked me out as a kid.

jcarla Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM EST

What so troubling about this woman is that she is oblivious to her own and the board's thought process. Considering that most are white suburban Grand - not regular - parents, their prejudices on sex, lifestyles and race still come into play. I heard yesterday about a study where white college students thought subconciously that blacks were on par with apes. It was the media images and underlying commentary that imbeded in thier brains. Such negative thinking is bound to show up when rating a film.

sara Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:27 AM EST

I think parents need to make the decision on what movies to see based on what they know of their kids. Some kids are easily scared, some aren't. I think it would be far more effective to simply inform parents of content that may be inappropriate for children (sexual humor, violence, etc) and then let them make the decision, rather than deciding that ALL kids under the age of 13 probably shouldn't see something. Also, telling 16 year-olds they can't see R-rated films like Bridget Jones' Diary (I managed to lie about leaving my id at home) is pretty stupid - by the time you're in high school, sex is pretty commonly discussed, "coarse language" is everywhere and you know whether or not you can tolerate extreme violence.

Ep Sato Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:14 AM EST

I saw "Aliens" as an 8 year old kid in a nearly empty movie theater with my dad. It was the scariest movie I'd seen at that time and it gave me nightmares for weeks. Nowadays I love the film, which makes me think it just wasn't a kids movie.

Emily Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:13 AM EST

What freaks a kid out is completely subjective. My four year old niece developed a hugely irrational fear of robots after watching an episode of "Rugrats" where the kids think the dad has turned into a robot. Some other more inherently creepy material has not phased her. As long as people have imaginations, there will be no way to specifically gauge the "warp your kids" factor of a movie or television show. Traumatizing material is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

evie Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:03 AM EST

The only movie that scarred me for life that I saw as a kid was called "Thief in the Night." It was about the rapture, and they showed it to us in church and told us that every bit of it was true....666 tattoos and guillotines and all.

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