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Calling the bluff: Is '21' racist?

Mar 28, 2008, 01:25 PM | by Youyoung Lee

Categories: Film, Hollywood Hate Crime

21_l My friend Ginny was walking around New York's Chinatown the other day, where she stumbled upon a few posters calling 21, released today in theaters, racist. Why? Because the movie is based on a true story about sly MIT students who use their card-counting skills — and, as it happens, non-white profile — to swindle casino authorities out of millions of dollars. In a stroke of magic, Hollywood has these Asian students resurfacing as box office-friendly leads Jim Sturgess and Kate Bosworth (pictured), whose undeniable star quality is Sony's way of hedging its bet.

Having watched the film, I was a bit taken aback. But then I realized that a lack of presence is just as offensive as an overtly stereotypical one, as the near-400 members of this Facebook group cry. "Tell Hollywood that it's okay to portray Asian-American men in lead roles as three-dimensional characters with personalities, feelings, and a sense of humor. You know. Regular people. Is that too much to ask for?"

Actually, it is. Sony has good reason not to brave new territory. Movies with an all Asian-American cast barely register on the radar — 2002's Better Luck Tomorrow was but a short flicker of hope — unless they unfold in an antiquated, how-exotic-am-I kind of way, as in 1993's Joy Luck Club, 2005's Memoirs of a Geisha, or even 2007's The Namesake. (One exception: stoner flick series Harold and Kumar, which stars John Cho and Kal Penn as just... stoners). What's implied here — and is upsetting to me — is that a movie dealing with an all-minority experience in America is unappealing, even more so when it's for sheer entertainment and not doling out some somber lesson in history. Director Robert Luketic only exacerbates this point when he typecasts Asian actors Lisa Lapira and Aaron Yoo as buffoonish, clumsy sidekicks who compulsively steal and can barely manage a sentence. Mickey Rooney's buck-toothed, yellowface character Mr. Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany's might recognize a distant kinship.

Perhaps the flick, getting mixed reviews, would have been better off had they heeded the text of Ben Mezrich's book Bringing Down the House, on which the film is based:

"What exactly is our 'profile'?" Kevin asked.

Martinez took the ball.

"Non-Caucasian, for one thing. Twenty-year-old white kids with million-dollar bankrolls raise a lot of suspicion. Asian, Greek, Persian — the kind of kids you see parking their BMWs outside of the Armani Café on Newbury Street, that's who we're looking for… Gambling is an Asian obsession. And nobody lets their kids run as wild as rich Persians and Greeks. Walk around any casino, the people throwing down purple chips are almost always dark-skinned. Card counters, on the other hand, are usually balding white men with glasses. We can use one stereotype to trump another."

What do you think, PopWatchers? Did 21 play its cards wrong, or just follow the house rules?


asd Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 08:37 AM EST

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The Flip Side Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 08:36 AM EST

For all the posters who so nonchalantly claim nothing is wrong with "21", consider the reverse scenario; you are an ethnic white minority, and a movie based on a true story replaces all the white minorities with the majority "__" because the minorities are 1. viewed unfavorably; 2. rendered to stereotypical, subordinate movie roles; 3. won't draw a large audience simply for being white. It's so easy to ignore these racial issues if you have never experienced racism (both local and structural) in your life. And I'm not trying to demonize all whites as ignorant, because many of my white friends agree with me. Call racism for what it is- "21".

asd Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 08:31 AM EST

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Big O Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 03:12 AM EST

I definitely see changing the story in this way as very, very stupid. Jim Sturgess and Kate Bosworth are not such powerful names that they could not have been changed. Kevin Spacey and Laurence Fishburne were the big names in the cast.

The producers would probably have seen a bigger box office if they had cast John Cho in the Jim Sturgess part. And for what it's worth, Liza Lapira is as stunning looking and talented as Ms. Bosworth.

And, irony of ironies, is that this is released by SONY ... isn't that company headquartered in the Far East?

A stupid decision that makes absolutely no sense!

James Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:43 AM EST

GGG,
Fucck you scumbag!!! This movie's definitely racist. Hollywood can GO TO HELL.

Vinny Q. Vienn Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:03 AM EST

Lisa: That doesn't make sense. It was an adaptation from Hong Kong to Boston. IMO the rationale for not seeing the movie is very flawed. If the point of the film is to relocate it to the USA, it would be natural to cast Americans of any color; Hong Kong has mostly Asians and Boston has people of many groups. The original Hong Kong trilogy is available in the USA.

Anyhow - "Director Robert Luketic only exacerbates this point when he typecasts Asian actors Lisa Lapira and Aaron Yoo as buffoonish, clumsy sidekicks who compulsively steal and can barely manage a sentence." - One of them stole insignificant stuff (chocolates from a maid's cart). The other enjoyed playing a different game. I forget which is which.

JJJ Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 08:49 PM EST

ggg:
People like you need to be exterminated. May you live a short pointless purposeless life, die a long excruciating death in agony, and then rot in hell for eternity. And may your children never survive.

ggg Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 07:42 PM EST

So the slanty-eyed bastards cry "racism" because the film's team is mostly white but they weren't practicing racism when they made sure the actual team was mostly slanty-eyed?

What, you mean all those white and Jewish kids as MIT are affirmitive action cases who can't keep up a count?

What goes around comes around you chink bastards.

LMK Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:08 AM EST

To Mike,

You're not even make a logical point here. No one is accusing white decendants of "Self-absolved white descendents of slaveowners, land-grabbers, and religious conquistadors like yourself [to] take full account of your "race"s behavior."

People are rightly concerned that the movie has distored reality significantly. If you're going to make such encompassing statement claiming "America and it's media machine has portrayed Asian and Asian-American men in a fair(god forbid flattering) light" you'd better back it up with hard facts. This isn't your junior high school playground where you can just make random statements with no evidence...oh wait...I forgot this is the internet and it's full of half-brained intellect like yourself. So please forgive me if I don't agree that the Media has been flattering to Asian Americans.


Mike Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 03:53 PM EST

to Micah:
Yes I'm sure we're all overreacting because one of the members was not Asian. America and it's media machine has portrayed Asian and Asian-American men in a fair(god forbid flattering) light.

Self-absolved white descendents of slaveowners, land-grabbers, and religious conquistadors like yourself should take full account of your "race"s behavior.

I especially like how you take sides against Asian-American solidarity. I would expect nothing less from White Media and AMerican media as a whole.

Rob Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 03:46 PM EST

I read several people's comments that Asian leading men won't sell. I say totally BS and this is the EXACT lie racist white execs in Hollywood will tell you. Back in 1917, Asian leading men on TV in Hollywood were very popular with the audience. Don't you guys think it was far more racist back then? They were popular and they did fine in Hollywood. Don't believe me? Go watch the documentary "The Slanted Screen" http://www.slantedscreen.com/. Here is a youtube video to the leading man in 1917 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=aLw0D2CxcVI

James Shigeta was getting very popular as a romantic leading man. Of course, racist white guys can't have that.

Hollywood need to get rid of these racist white execs and get some diversity. Their constant reinforcement of racial caste in America is wrong. It is against the basic American principle. People of all races should boycott their brainwashing worldwide.

The Truthsayer Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM EST

No more needs to be said!

You have been tried, judged, and found guilty of racial hypocracy!

Truthsayer Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 03:04 AM EST

As I stated before, the ANGLOSPHERE is a racially dysfunctional cess pool of superficial culture that's on a downward spiral towards ghetto status.

America is at its root, a COLONY. The Wild West where pioneering rejects from Europe had to import women from the Old World and protect them as vital resources, no matter how ugly and horse-faced they may have been.

As a result, pure "European beauty" has always been rare and in demand in the United States. This rareity allowed Hollywood to sell its dream of the 'blonde bombshell', the 'smouldering brunette', the 'vixen redhead', all genotypes COMMON in countries such as France, Sweden, and particularly, Eastern Europe, to beauty-starved Americans from the colonial days until now.

Throw in the white guilt psychosis that equates racial forgiveness and progress with black glorification, and Asians will ALWAYS lose out in the Anglosphere.

N1663R Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 08:56 AM EST

Micah, perhaps it's because you're not Asian. Try living on the losing end of white privilege for a lifetime, and then tell me race doesn't matter.

Micah Bass Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 05:20 PM EST

I'm sorry I typo'd the link to the "real" Asian "Fisher" guy, Mike Aponte - yes, he really is asian as you can see here http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/Mike_Aponte_pic.php

So he's one of the original team members and managers, who brought Jeff Ma into the team, and he's Asian, and I think you might find he's less upset about all this than many of the folks here.

Micah Bass Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 05:16 PM EST

I just took some blackjack training from two of the original MIT guys http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/Dave_pic.php Mike Aponte and http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/Dave_pic.php David Irvine - as you can see one guy is Asian and one is white - I think it's interesting that the whole controversy seems to mean less to the actual guys involved than some of the folks on this board! I mean, from what I've seen Mike is not really that upset that his "Fisher" character is not Asian. It's Hollywood people - I mean really, it's just a movie!

You can see video of the original, real life guys on their new "Blackjack Virtual Training" website too http://www.blackjackvt.com ... as you can see the race thing is not that important to the real team players, at least it doesn't seem so to me.

mark Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM EST

regarding 21 and racism

predictably a number of comments say dont protest just put up with it, you are being too sensitive etc etc

wake up we are now in the 21st century and we still have the same old hollywood crap of distorting the race of the characters to conform to the myth of white superiority, the lead man who comes up with the great ideas and wins the money has to be portrayed as white even though he was asian. this is comparable to mel gibson having to pick a white guy to portray god (jesus) because of course the lead character has to be white

too bad jeff ma could not have had the back bone to just say he was not going to get involved in the project because of the standard racist hollywood crap

as far as the bottom financial line is concerned (the lead has to be white or the movie wont sell) if thats the case then just dont make the movie and find some other movie to make

guy aoki Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 04:50 PM EST

Truthsayer, I greatly appreciate all of your well-informed and profound comments. For those of you upset about the way Asian Americans keep getting pushed out of their own stories, please support Media Action Network for Asian Americans. You can check out manaa.org or myspace.manaala.com. We've been around for 16 years and meet with the television networks every year to encourage more AA leads and regulars. Many of the improvements you've seen over the past few years have not been accidents. But think of how many shows taking place in L.A., San Francisco, Hawaii, or in hospitals, have failed to prominently feature AAs- even when the breakout stars from "water cooler" shows have been Asian- Sandra Oh on "Grey's Anatomy," Masi Oka on "Heroes," Naveen Andrews on "Lost." They all got Emmy nominations and in most cases, were the only actors from their cast to get nods. So much for the non-bankability of Asian/Asian American stars- white audiences obviously "don't mind" watching them.

guy aoki Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 04:42 PM EST

"Believe me, I would have LOVED to cast Asians in the lead roles, but the truth is, we didn't have access to any bankable Asian-American actors that we wanted."
That's funny, Dana, because when I spoke to you in late 2005 about MANAA's concern that Sony had already made up their minds that the main characters were going to be white- except maybe for an Asian girlfriend (oh, spare me the cliche!), you didn't mention this problem to me. You gave me the tired line that you were only looking for the best actors for the role.
John Cho's more known than Jim Sturges. 21's big because of the concept, not big stars.
"If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film."
Maybe you should've. You've further enraged an ignored community while profiting from them & working with sell-outs like Jeff Ma. If you feel so bad, why not donate your profits to groups trying to improve opportunities for AA actors? Hello? Hello?

Truthsayer Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 04:00 AM EST

Boycotting the Anglosphere media will DO NOTHING to help your cause.

Why? Because the vast majority of Asian-Americans crave white acceptance and respect, and will copycat white tastes and trends no matter what.

Combine this with the overt and subtle enforcement of the racial totem pole that places Asian men at the BOTTOM of the 'cool/sexual' hierarchy in the Anglosphere, and progress will be neglible except for occasional infiltration of the estblishment by guys like Justin Lin.

Asian-Americans are a lost cause. It is from Asia itself that change will come. Once Asian directors start making Asian movies, BUT with white females in interracial romances with Asian men, with white men in supporting roles to the Asian male star, with black men in supporting roles to the Asian male star, and these movies make a mountain of money, only then will Hollywood be forced to copy US in order to take part in the cash cow.

The Anglosphere = HELL ON EARTH FOR ASIAN MEN.

t3hdow Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 05:03 PM EST

So let me get this straight ddd. You're basically blaming the Jews for influencing the nation's media, so Asians can't get their chance to shine?

Pot, meet kettle.

Robert Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 02:33 PM EST

N16663R - Yes I agree. I do support media that feature minorities in positive roles. I watched some movies from Asia recently, it is almost weird to see images of Asian men and women are regular people since we grew up dealing with mostly negative stereotypes on the screen. It is too bad many of these fine Asian movies will never make it to the USA because you know, they are not white enough. Hollywood, of course, has no problem white facing many Asian characters. 21 is hardly the only one. Look at movies that are coming out like Speed Racer, Dragon Z Ball and countless other Asian remakes. The new movie with Jack Chan and Jet Li has a white guy in ancient China? WTF? I am sure they will have the white guy falling in love with a fine Asian woman on top of that just to throw in yet another trend. I hope people that and enlighten don't support this racist business enterprise. Boycott Hollywood and don't give them a penny of your money.

N1663R Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM EST

Robert, please don't just bootleg films/shows that portray Asians negatively. The more enlightened folks in the Black community detest the tired stereotype of the Big Mamma as shown in Norbit and also in Tyler Perry's films.

Also, make sure that you clamp down on the piracy of diversity-positive media. I don't know of any myself, but I'm sure that the Asian-American community has its share of media that portrays itself as positive. Whatever you do please don't pirate them, but support your artists.

Robert Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 02:16 AM EST

I agree with N1663R below. Don't give Hollywood a penny. I have stopped buying anything from Hollywood that is derogatory to Asians. I still remember clearly the sick feeling when I was young that every time I see an Asian face on the screen, it is always negative and stereotypical. Hollywood has been nothing but racist to Asian men for years and years. Is it really that much to ask to cast Asian men as human beings vs. some stereotypical roles just so white men can feel superior about themselves? Is America really this shallow and racist that people can't appreciate a leading male that is not white? Or is Hollywood this racist that they have to cast a white male as lead in everything while minorities always play secondary or supporting roles? When will this country wake up and treat people as people? Why is race always a factor when it comes to Hollywood? I would say support bootleg and don't give a penny to Hollywood movies until we see some diversity.

Joyce Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 03:22 PM EST

Asianweek recently had an article about this whole thing and other movies that did the same.

http://www.asianweek.com/2008/04/07/21-film-ben-mezrich-cards-las-vegas-not-the-first-film-to-%e2%80%98whitewash%e2%80%99-our-history/

Truthsayer Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 04:53 PM EST

American media exists solely to stroke the fragile racially dysfunctional egos of black and white Americans while promoting a culture of unadulterated materialism and superficial flash over substance.

America is quite simply a vicious ghetto culture that's on a downward spiral to the bottom.

It's no wonder that in an environment like this, passive Asian values and people are mocked, denigrated, and ignored.

N1663R Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM EST

Taking a page out of the African-American activist playbook:


Back in the day, we used to bootleg any movies that showed black people in stereotypical roles. The idea behind this was that racist producers didn't deserve black folks' money. So, by increasing supply of those racist films, we'd decrease demand. Soon, Hollywood realized that it doesn't pay to stereotype black folk. Now we got Will Smith, Jamie Foxx, Denzel Washington, and a whole slew of bankable African-American actors.


I suggest Asian folk do the same as we did. Don't just boycott, BOOTLEG!

jen h Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:18 PM EST

21 could have totally cast asian american leads and have the "stars" be kevin spacey and laurence fishburne, but we'll never know.

the way to change hollywood is not just boycotting or complaining, but also proving that good films with asian american actors CAN make money. go find asian american films at film festivals and see them when they go to theaters or on DVD now- those like Better Luck Tomorrow or Saving Face- or coming out later this year- West 32nd or Never Forever or Ping Pong Playa. these films have been to Toronto and Sundance and other festivals but don't get the hype because they don't have the studio $$.

Even putting your money for tickets for Harold and Kumar 2 (instead of 21) will help those actors become more "bankable" if the film does well.... they only made a sequel because the film did well on DVD and grew a cult audience.

JP Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM EST

On a side yet related note that Im not sure has been discussed yet...have you noticed the trailer for Forbidden Kingdom? Sure, cast two of the most popular Asian male leads in the world based on one of the most enduring Chinese legend...and have the unknown Caucasian male making out with the Asian hottie. Dude!

ddd Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 02:39 PM EST

the problem with america is that, the mindset of the nation is rotten, which is due to the culture, which is channeled through the media, which is run by racist, zionist jews who consider non-jewish minorities as slaves that they can continually step on and degrade. unfortunately this is a deep-rooted religious belief that will not change any time soon for the quintessential jewish society

Truthsayer Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:05 PM EST

I've travelled all over the world and I can tell you America is just about the WORST place for Asian-American men to get recognized as MEN.

I've met Asian-American men living in Europe who were married to women who look like Kate Bosworth.

And they were intelligent, cultured, and had a fascination for Asian culture.

Are you going to find girls like that in the cultural cess pool of racial hyprocrisy that is the USA?

Hell no!

The sooner the American empire ends (and it's ending, with its worthless American peso), the better.

DIE HOLLYWOOD DIE

anonymous Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM EST

This movie is so racist and really makes the general American population look racist too. I wonder what the reaction of white people if Asian filmmakers started doing the same thing, then it would just be considered garbage right? I also love how hollywood could possibly make a movie called the Last Samurai with Tom Cruise as the last samurai. Ridiculous

Truthsayer Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 09:45 AM EST

It wasn't long ago that BLACK MEN were considered UNBANKABLE.

How did this change?

White liberal guilt and the pseudo-pathetic desire to appear 'tolerant' allowed black men to get supporting roles in practically EVERY American sitcom or Hollywood film imaginable. Most of these roles were ALWAYS positive.

Soon, these supporting roles led to charismatic actors becoming bankable enough to be leading stars.

Why will this NEVER happen for Asian male actors?

Because this is the Anglosphere, where black progress = racial progress but Asian progress IS NOT considered racial progress.

America may be ready for a black President (as shown in mainstream polls), but they absolutely DETEST the thought of an Asian male present (Asian males ranked DEAD LAST in what Americans would want as a President).

Things that make you want to get out of the US of A.

Adam Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 09:36 AM EST

To "The whole team wasn't Asian"

True, the whole team wasn't Asian, but the MAIN, IMPORTANT, BEST members of the team were non-Caucasian. Why choose to portray 2 of the white members of the team in the movie instead of 2 non-white characters that actually had a bigger role in the whole operation? Oh, right, because Hollywood execs are either stupid, racist, or both.

b Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 03:51 AM EST

Along thing lines of what sara said, the argument that "it's just business" is flawed because Hollywood is partly responsible for the fact that Asian-Americans are not bankable due to their portrayal of Asians-Americans. If you are an entity that has a great deal of influence on popular taste and perception, you can't claim to just be responding to what the public wants.

balls Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 03:43 AM EST

"If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film. But then again, Liza and Aaron wouldn't have gotten the work that they did"

I think Dana here is calling us ingrates...unclear why...

sara Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 01:29 AM EST

I second Jason's request for Ms. Brunetti.

I'm an adopted Asian-American. I am weary of being viewed as a foreigner in my own country, especially with my entire family being Caucasian. Strangers assume I can't speak English, am a foreign exchange student, a recent immigrant to the US. This happens to many of my Asian friends as well.

I think it's not really racism that causes this; it's more ignorance. As long as Hollywood and mainstream media continue to portray Asians as foreign or secondary beings (martial arts experts, exotic women, goofy sidekicks, etc.), the chance of strangers embracing me simply as an American diminish.

People argue whether or not the casting change was racist. Call it what you want. I call it yet another missed opportunity. Thank God for Harold and Kumar.

Truthsayer Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 01:18 AM EST

FACT:

The role of SUNG KANG in Fast & the Furious: Tokyo Drift had to be FORCED IN by director Justin Lin.

Sung Kang ended up becoming the most well-liked of the characters by test audiences.

There's simply no excuse to cast "Aaron Yoo" and hope he gets more roles in the future.

Sung Kang, John Cho, Will Yun Lee are all excellent, attractive Asian-American actors with built-in followings who could have gotten the call.

Again, this follows the ANGLOSPHERE dysfunctional racial worldview behavioral script to the tee:

1. Never cast an Asian man in multi-dimensional role (check!)

2. Never cast an Asian man in a sexual role (check!)

3. If an Asian male is cast, make him look geeky, asexual, and buffoonish (check!)

4. Always throw in a black man as the lead or in a supporting role (check!)

Jason Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 06:39 PM EST

Dana, I'd like for you to think about two sections of your argument...

"We cast them in the hope that the exposure they received in 21 would make them more bankable in the future."

and

"If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film. But then again, Liza and Aaron wouldn't have gotten the work that they did."

Why wouldn't you be able to cast them in a different story??? Please explain this as it has everything to do with what "Boycott 21" is about. You don't even have to answer. Just think about it.

churchill95 Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 01:53 AM EST

Give me a break Dana. First of all, you're simply passing the buck, claiming no responsibility because the decision-makers are elsewhere. Second, that type of reasoning is tantamount to "Hollywood doesn't try new things because new things aren't proven to make money." Though Hollywood may be slow to change, it certainly does change. Over the past decade or so, we've seen a Hollywood adopt, even embrace, once taboo subjects such as homosexuality. Third, the fact that there are no "bankable" Asian actors I think is just false. It's not like Jim Sturgess is an A-list actor. If they chose Ewan McGregor or someone with star power, I might buy that argument. But they chose Jim Sturgess, a B-list with mostly TV credits.

Papa G Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 02:35 PM EST

While profit is the number one goal in any business, especially in many Hollywood movies, I have to ask at what cost are we willing to go to make the extra buck? Much of capitalism works because people tend to be greedy and we live in fear of each other. We as a society have become so used to the idea of profit, it has somehow been deemed a virtue.

Having said that, this isn't merely a matter of profit. No, not in the case of this movie. In fact it cleverly uses the MOTIVE OF PROFT as a justification for subtle (or not so subtle) forms of discrimination. "We did it because we wanted to maximize profit." "We wanted to find the best actor for the job." I don't know about you, but I don't know any actor that can change the color of their skin, well, except for maybe Meryl Streep.

JJ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 01:33 PM EST

Dana, are you kidding me?

Liza and Aaron are more bankable in the future because of their appearance in 21? Don't give us that BS. We're not as dumb as your target audience.

Their talent was wasted in this film and you know it. they'd have a chance at "bankability" if you gave their characters some human characteristics.

Screw you, Dana. It's still wrong to profit from racist systems. I saw this movie over the internet the other day, and I'm glad I did. You bigots don't deserve my money.

Dana Brunetti Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 09:43 AM EST

Believe me, I would have LOVED to cast Asians in the lead roles, but the truth is, we didn't have access to any bankable Asian-American actors that we wanted. And by bankable, I mean that if we were to have cast Aaron Yoo in the role of Ben Campbell, as talented as he is, we would not have received the funding that we did with Jim Sturgess in the role. Call it what you will, but that's the reality we faced. If the didn't get the funding, then we couldn't have made the movie as well as we did.

We didn't just cast Aaron and Liza to "throw you a bone." We cast them in the hope that the exposure they received in 21 would make them more bankable in the future. And based upon what I've heard so far, I really believe that goal was accomplished. I know you'll see them in better roles in the future.

If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film. But then again, Liza and Aaron wouldn't have gotten the work that they did

Jim Crow Lives On! Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 09:00 AM EST

This isn't racism. It's called bankability... Yeah. Asian-American actors aren't as bankable as White Enlgishmen.

Okay, so maybe it is racism. Is it okay to profit from racist presuppositions? Ask Steven Spielberg:
http://www.falloutcentral.com/news/2008/04/01/steven-spielberg-speaks-out-against-hollywood-racism/

TruthNugget Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 08:33 AM EST

Supporters of the decision to cast Jim Sturgess as Ben Campbell claim that producers simply sought the best actor for the job, regardless of race.

Ultimately, this meant passing over many Asian-American talents in favor of London-born Jim Sturgess, who required a dialect coach to speak American English.

The producers practically exported this job across the Atlantic, simply to avoid casting an Asian-AMERICAN guy in the lead!

I think this is a violation of civil rights:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117954779.html?categoryid=18&cs=1

RonPaul2008 Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 08:10 AM EST

No one complained when George Stephanopolis was portrayed by an African AMerican in Primary Colors, or when Bob Dylan was portrayed by a woman.

Do you know why no one complained? it's because there is no lack of white male representation in film and television, THAT'S WHY!

Asian men, on the other hand are rarely ever put front and center, and when they are, they are forced to speak with heavy accents, in stereotypical/caricatured roles, or in ethnicity-specific roles, but NEVER as AMERICANS.

That's the reason Asians are upset, because the film 21 was a missed opportunity to show Asians otherwise.

F--- You, Hollywood. You don't deserve my money,

George Chell Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM EST

"The fact that white people are unwilling to watch people of color on screen is a loud testament of American racism."

And the media seriously wants me to believe that America is ready for a black President and that Barrack "on crack" Obama and Oprah "on opium" Winfrey are not deluded or on drugs? What a joke!

Raj Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 09:57 AM EST

The Hollywood execs claim that white Americans are too racist to watch an heavily Asian American or non-white cast. Are they telling the truth? We will know on the morning of November 5, 2008. If Obama is elected President, the claims by the execs would ring hollow. On the other hand, if Obama looses even traditionally Dem state such as PA and proves Governor Rendell's point, then Hollywood is indeed making a business decions..catering to the majority racist white American moving goers.

Truthsayer Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM EST

FACT:

Jet Li kisses Aliyah in 'Romeo Must Die'

Hollywood execs ORDER the filmmaker to DELETE this scene because it wouldn't 'test well' with urban audiences.

END RESULT: No kissing scene whatsoever in 'Romeo Must Die'


This is DIRECTLY OPPOSITE what happens in MANY European countries, where Asian men on-screen are adored and followed by art-oriented filmgoers from France to Italy to Hungary to the Czech Republic.

ANGLOSPHERE vs EUROSPHERE

One is filled with racial hyprocrasy and anti-Asian male sentiment.

The other is filled with an curiousity and openness towards the other.

Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 04:09 AM EST

While its true that positive roles for Asians on screen are limited, keep in mind that Jackie Chan and Jet Li have been very successful in recent years. Even though most of their roles have been stereotypical, one has to remember that they have accents and practice martial arts in real life anyways.

Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 03:39 AM EST

This is probably just a numbers thing since most of the population in the US is either black or white. Hollywood tries to appeal mostly to these people because more viewers equals more money. It seems Hollywood is only concerned about its own financial gain.

Praise Allah Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 03:19 AM EST

Someone should bomb the Oscars. Then, they'll listen.

America didn't listen to Blacks until Malcolm X entered the scene.

Praise Allah Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 03:19 AM EST

Someone should bomb the Oscars. Then, they'll listen.

America didn't listen to Blacks until Malcolm X entered the scene.

ass Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:23 AM EST

The fact that white people are unwilling to watch people of color on screen is a loud testament of American racism.


Burn Hollywood Burn!!!

Vic Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:18 AM EST

I believe White people sense of self are too fragile to watch anything but themselve being glorified and portrayed as heroes and saviors. What ironics is white people have shown to be evils, condescending, and horrible human beings.

burnout Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 08:06 PM EST

Of course it's racist!

Just like Tom Cruise's role in the "Last Samurai!" Or every Hollywood remake of Asian cinema like Ringu or Infernal Affairs.

Why can't they just show Asian faces onscreen, unless it's in a demeaning light as propaganda?

The answer...RACISM!!!

Truthsayer Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM EST

America sees EVERYTHING in BLACK or WHITE.

Just look at Obama. Let's just say if his name was Barack Chan, he'd be teaching tax law at NYU rather than running for President.

Obama becomes President? Racial progress! We are tolerant! Kumbayah Praise the Lord!

Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Jamie Fox, Morgan Freeman, and others as leading men? Racial Progress! I have a dream! Hallelujah!

ASIAN-AMERICAN MEN as leading men in a Hollywood film? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Don't make me laugh, who wants to see a bunch of boring asexual geeks? (After all, that' what ALL Asian men are like right? Or that's what Hollywood would have you believe).

Welcome to the ANGLOSPHERE.

dswfr Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 02:35 AM EST

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dt Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 02:06 AM EST

It's sad to read some of these posts and realize how this is accepted in Hollywood. "Hollywood cares only about the color green" So being denied a job because of your race is simply a business decision?

And the fact that other than Harold and Kumar, there has never been a film with an asian male lead in a non-race specific role, and this doesn't come across anyone's radar?

dt Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 01:58 AM EST

I find it completely frustrating that there have been so very few asian male leads in films except when they are cast specifically for their race/exoticness. Harold and Kumar and that is basically it. I mean it. There are no other studio films with asian male actors playing "regular" roles. It may not be outwardly racism, but it is indeed institutionally racist.

Truthsayer Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 01:46 AM EST

The dysfunctional racial worldview of the Anglosphere media:

1. Never insult blacks. Do everything you can to portray blacks (esp. black men) as cool, sexy, wise, compassionate, and noble.

2. Never put an Asian man on-screen in a positive, full dimensional role. Never EVER put an Asian man on screen in a sexual role.

3. Racism exists ONLY when perpetrated against blacks. All other groups are fair, open game (except Muslims, because they may try to blow us up afterwards).

JE Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 09:50 AM EST

21 is not exactly racist. The re-working of the details to appeal to a broader audience was NOT racist. These were simlpy business decisios. 21 is probably a decent movie, though I wouldn't know, because I haven't seen it.

However, the presuppositions upon which the casting decisions were made were indeed RACIST: These business decisions were based upon the presupposition that box-office success of a film is achieved when you have white leads with Asian supporting characters, rather than Asian leads with white supporting characters.

Have you thought for a minute about why that is, and what that means in a broader, social sense? Have you thought about what that could mean for your children? Is that something you're willing to accept? Pause here, and think about that for a minute...

Bubba Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 09:10 AM EST

Funny thing.... only the true racists are the ones calling the movie racist.

Jeff Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:29 AM EST

No one complained when George Stephanopolis was portrayed by an African AMerican in Primary Colors, or when Bob Dylan was portrayed by a woman.

People Watcher Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 06:29 AM EST

A few things Hollywood won't tell you. 1.)America was not discovered by Columbus 2.) The only ALL AMERICANS are mostly on reservations and don't look like Chuck Connors.3)The Pilgrims suspended the 10 Commandments upon their arrival 4)Rock'n& Roll was originally called "race music and "n" word music, ROCK ON! 5.)The original SURFERS were of Polynesian origin(brown boys). 5.) Asians, Hispanics and Africans are not running the drug trade nor are they the biggest thieves. 6.)All non-white men and women are not interested nor chasing down white men and women as portrayed in Hollywood. There are many beautiful men and women of colour interested in other non white people of colour.

Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 05:21 AM EST

Historical accuracy has never been one of Hollywoods strong points. The problem with not calling them (Hollywood) out on these inaccuracies and omissions of factual information is that we have generations of people, whom grow up accepting these inaccuracies as fact. We should be asking ourselves, who and what are these distortions promoting and what purpose these inaccuracies are serving. Think about it !!!!

The Truthsayer Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 03:35 AM EST

Listen up.

Hollywood doesn't portray Asian/Asian-American men in positive roles because WHITE & BLACK AMERICANS DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.

Hollywood execs have literally said: "IF WE PUT A YELLOW MAN ON THE SCREEN, AMERICANS WILL TURN OFF THE T.V. IN LESS THAN 2 MINUTES"

Why are Americans so racist against Asians, and especially Asian men?

Too complicated to go into but I can assure you anti-Asian male bias is INHERENT and MOST POWERFUL in the ANGLOSPHERE (U.S., Australia, the U.K., and to a lesser extent, Canada).

Keith Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 03:01 AM EST

Maybe they should have compromised and cast Keanu Reeves and that girl from Smallville.

fred yawitz Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:34 AM EST

Only SONY knows if the movie was made overtly as racist. I just came from the movie "21" and I haven't read anywhere (maybe I missed it) that the main lead antagonist is Laurence Fishburne..certainly not a buffoon or clumsy tho admittedly not Asian either. I have not read the book so I don't know if that character is black or not. The problem seems to be more one of PERCEIVED racism..may not be real. BUT even that can be a problem. If you were making a movie about Golda Meier, would you cast a Palestinian actress in the part, even tho she looked MORE like the original than the original? I am currently writing a novel and hopefully a movie someday about a young gay Nazi officer. I would not care if the lead was portrayed by an actor who is not German..or for that matter not even gay...Is that PC or not? And who should care..And why should anyone care? I thought "21" was great. I think this entire PERCEIVED racist business is not a good reason NOT to see the film.

fred yawitz Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:34 AM EST

Only SONY knows if the movie was made overtly as racist. I just came from the movie "21" and I haven't read anywhere (maybe I missed it) that the main lead antagonist is Laurence Fishburne..certainly not a buffoon or clumsy tho admittedly not Asian either. I have not read the book so I don't know if that character is black or not. The problem seems to be more one of PERCEIVED racism..may not be real. BUT even that can be a problem. If you were making a movie about Golda Meier, would you cast a Palestinian actress in the part, even tho she looked MORE like the original than the original? I am currently writing a novel and hopefully a movie someday about a young gay Nazi officer. I would not care if the lead was portrayed by an actor who is not German..or for that matter not even gay...Is that PC or not? And who should care..And why should anyone care? I thought "21" was great. I think this entire PERCEIVED racist business is not a good reason NOT to see the film.

end the hypocrocy of obamonation Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM EST

Hey, Mr Greens.

I think your racist comment needs to come off this post. You know the one about kill all honky's. Yet i can't say anything regarding the N word. I'm sick of the PC hipocrocy and it'll only get worse if we don't speak out against the likes of you and the USA hating RACIST reverend Wright's of this country.

Jason Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:07 PM EST

Mark F., would you mind if I re-posted your comment onto the Boycott 21 group wall or discussion board?

Mark F. Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:39 PM EST

That people are saying this is racist, they could not be more correct. I grew up in the 50s and 60s being taught, in public school, that all Asians were basically evil. I have been coming to China now for 5 years for business and have recently moved here for the same reason. Over time I have found that there is not one stereotype of Asians that is true unless you can also apply it to Caucasians, Blacks, and Hispanics. And it is not just racist to continue to portray Asians as weak or stupid or shifty. It is stupid business. Here in China they are making the moves that will, within a few years, will set the stage for China to become the highest dollar (or euro or RMB) value market in the world. The entire catalog of of USA films that have been made with racist portraits of Chinese and other Asian peoples will have a net value of zero in China. Forget about racist for a moment, it is just bad long term business planning.

Will Smith Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM EST

@CKMBA - I agree, point well made. My wife and I will be more responsible in the way we consume media.

Will Smith Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:25 PM EST

Asian Americans not marketable? Wasn't there a time when African Americans weren't marketable? And now we have Will Smith in the record-busting movie, "I Am Legend." Some history on I Am Legend, it was made TWICE before with White Male leads and neither of those versions could even hold a candle to the success of the version with Will Smith as the lead. Saying that only Whites are marketable is 110% racist.

CKMBA Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:10 PM EST

@ Adolph Heidler: Hilarious way of calling out their BS!!!!!!

CKMBA Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:03 PM EST

I have resolved to be socially responsible in the way I consume media. If a movie or show does nothing to advance the image of Asian Americans, I don't buy or rent it. I might watch it, but I won't pay for it. Furthermore, I've kept track of all the money I've saved by NOT consuming diversity-negligent media, and donated that amount to charities that help promote the advancement of Asian Americans in the media.

How much more BS are YOU going to tolerate?

Society won't change unless YOU DO.

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:32 PM EST

why do black people think they are always picked on how about all the other races nobody else acts like that enough is enough dont be a bunch of cry babies

Mediterranean Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 08:55 PM EST

Greeks and Persians? Aren't they Caucasians? Greece is in Eureope for Pete's sake!

I'm Mediterranean myself, and don't consider us Meds "white," but if you're going to say that Greeks and Persians should be considered Asian, when the US Affirmative Action definitions consider anyone from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East to be "white," then you can't do this.

Hollywood ROUTINELY casts Northern Europeans as Greeks, Italians, Romans, ancient Egyptians, etc. all the time. The only time they use a lot of us Mediterraneans in the cast is when we are playing mobsters, idiots, crooks, or terrorists.

By the way, also remember that the Jews originated in the Middle East, yet they are always considered white in movies, too. Unless there's a Nazie or racist character in it.

The "Last Legion" is full of Brits, so is the HBO series "Rome." What gets a predominately Italian and Mediterraneans cast? "The Sopranos." That says it all right there.

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 08:46 PM EST

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Mr Eazee Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 08:43 PM EST

The reason most movies are made is to make MONEY. That's not racist. Why not ask Ang Lee why he didn't cast Asians in 'Brokeback Mountain'? If 'monorities' want Asians in movies nobody is stopping them! The real racist comment I noticed was Ma not wanting a Japanese to play him.

Jessica Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 06:56 PM EST

The truth of the matter is that Jim Sturgess is more bankable (and the woman on the team was white). I could care less about the original story. At this point everyone knows that the really good card counter was Asian. What determines whether I go see a heist flick on the big screen or wait for rental is how good looking the lead is. And while there are plenty of good looking Asian guys out there, few of them are going to bring in as much business as Jim Sturgess.

Benjamin Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 04:47 PM EST

Changin the MIT character to whites instead of Asians/ Persians is like Boyz n da hood with white dudes.

Ringu Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 04:11 PM EST

It pretty sad Hollywood do not cast alot
of asian in lead roles, and as for black actor they have to be in the buisness for a
long time just to make it. the A list black actor are in there late 30's to 50's. but back to asian in cinema it's
truly a sad world, so many top asian
actor not getting a chance to shine.

t3hdow Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:19 PM EST

And before any of you start arguing against me, yes; I'm aware Uncle Tom's Cabin is a fictional work written by a white abolitionist woman and not based off historical events. Still, seeing how it helped shaped history and seeing how Uncle Tom is being bastardized today, it's worth noting.

t3hdow Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:14 PM EST

Did anyone take the quote 'based off true events' with any heed? Yeah, it's wrong that Hollywood whitewashed the characters, but their main concern is to make money the best way possible, even if that means altering certain parts of the plot to do so. Whether its a book adaption or an account on actual events, take it with a grain of salt and see it as its own separate work. Don't feel bad for enjoying it if you do, even when it betrays some base details.
However, the problem lies with people seeing the films as fact. No history major worth a damn used a movie based off an historical event without acknowledging the liberties its filmmakers made. Otherwise, it'll turn into another Uncle Tom, who's still being perpetuated in the black community as a traitorous caricature from the films/plays instead of the martyr figure in the book.
If you want facts, don't rely on Hollywood to paint a very accurate picture. Do outside research to find out for yourself.

ms.independent Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:10 PM EST

this comment is in response to Shannon's comment: when people talk about racism, it doesn't always mean blacks or whites. There are other races as well you know. There is more than just black and white races. What about asians, hispanics, native americans? Do they not feel the effects of racism as well? So when we see the word racist sometimes we are not always talking about whites or blacks...

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:47 PM EST

when I can find the meaning of this word I'll gladly join them if it fit the size of my brain if it's means predators I will hate it from the core of my being whatever life that is unbiblical I will hate it from the core of my being cause in the human's book I find there are 2 kind of people the good and the evil my prayer is whatever color the evil one is I will flush it in hell before it's time I can't stand them if it is what racist means I beg you please fill me in I'll do anything to be included whatever it takes cause my dad never come back home one night and tell us his family that he went to cemetery to buy a soul he could not find one color I know growing up in my country in witchcraft family I knew only Jesus people's souls that cause many to repent because the big demon not only say he don't know the person they experience a huge light that covers the cemetery or they head songs singing that chills their bodies that how all my family make a living

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:47 PM EST

when I can find the meaning of this word I'll gladly join them if it fit the size of my brain if it's means predators I will hate it from the core of my being whatever life that is unbiblical I will hate it from the core of my being cause in the human's book I find there are 2 kind of people the good and the evil my prayer is whatever color the evil one is I will flush it in hell before it's time I can't stand them if it is what racist means I beg you please fill me in I'll do anything to be included whatever it takes cause my dad never come back home one night and tell us his family that he went to cemetery to buy a soul he could not find one color I know growing up in my country in witchcraft family I knew only Jesus people's souls that cause many to repent because the big demon not only say he don't know the person they experience a huge light that covers the cemetery or they head songs singing that chills their bodies that how all my family make a living

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM EST

Shannon is this particular topic about Africans, I thought we were discussing Asian perspectives. Whites playing the victim role now is absolutely incredible.

Shannon R. Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM EST

It gets really old when people keep playing the race card. There is the first amendment. Get over it. If white people imitated black people the way black people imitated white people in 'white chicks', then the NAACP would have a field day and cry racism. I'm so over the petty complaining.

JHN Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM EST

Responding to Trish: Angelina Jolie did a brilliant job as Marianne Pearl in 'A Mighty Heart.'

My objection lies not so much in the actor or actress not being of the ethnicity as the character she or he is playing, but that the character is not portrayed as being of the real-life ethnicity, but rather adapted to the 'look' of the actor or actress.

Hasn't Hollywood ever heard of makeup? Seriously.

---
As for the little political subdialogs going on, I can't help throwing in my own two cents. J.M., people are always dying around the world. There will always be the next political, economic, social, or natural catastrophe going on, and we'll never be able to respond appropriately if we haven't figured ourselves out here at home.
I must admit, Rick Magee, that I'm not a big fan of 'P.C.' either. Laudable ideals, but it also tends to seal off debate and discussion that obviously still needs to happen if sex and skin color are actually factors in this upcoming election.

Bill Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:08 AM EST

NO!! It's a movie. Get a life people.

Adolph Heidler Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:26 AM EST

When it comes to its own and this culture's absolute lust for filthy lucre, living out the sinister caveat emptor side of the profit motive, and responding to its proven and inherent "root of all evil", Hollywood will blow up a fleet of planes with its mothers in them to make money. It would be anti-Amerikkkan and anti-"Jewish" to portray really, really smart people in the media any way other than as lily white western U-rope-peons or as caugaysians. The good news is this too shall pass. Selah.

T. Pennington Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 06:16 AM EST

The true minority is the white male. Instead of being fair across the board for every race. The tables have now turned and instead of being balanced, are now tilted back the other way. What is the difference in this movie and "Carlito's way" or "Boyz N Da Hood"??

Santirix Gremionis Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 04:17 AM EST

The epithet "Racist" has lost all the validity and potency it once had because it has been unjustifiably overused in our society. This article is a typical example of such unjustifiable usage. When Sony made a simple business decision in casting "21" that harmed or demeaned no person or ethnic group, it was counter-productive to brand them as racist.

Richard Jones Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:14 PM EST

No, it's Hollywood, make believe land.
But Obama's pastor is racist.

Shemp Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 09:03 PM EST

Another poster said it best: The only "color" that Hollywood (as an industry) concerns itself with is GREEN. If some studio exec thought the movie would be a hit with nothing but AMOEBAS on the screen, they'd've cast single-celled animals. Besides, did you ever see a mainstream (ie, white) "romantic comedy" that starred "average"-looking people as stars? What was that movie where Diane Lane portrays a "lonely single woman"? I mean, in what COSMOS is a female that looks like Diane Lane LONELY?!?

response to "justme" Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:42 PM EST

typically, land isn't stolen because it doesn't belong to someone, unless they are willing and able to fight for it. u probably think that man stole the earth from all of the animals and plants too. gimme a break. i guess the first man to inhabit the earth owned everything and it has all been unjustly taken from him by hoarding thieves.


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