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Calling the bluff: Is '21' racist?

Mar 28, 2008, 01:25 PM | by Youyoung Lee

Categories: Film, Hollywood Hate Crime

21_l My friend Ginny was walking around New York's Chinatown the other day, where she stumbled upon a few posters calling 21, released today in theaters, racist. Why? Because the movie is based on a true story about sly MIT students who use their card-counting skills — and, as it happens, non-white profile — to swindle casino authorities out of millions of dollars. In a stroke of magic, Hollywood has these Asian students resurfacing as box office-friendly leads Jim Sturgess and Kate Bosworth (pictured), whose undeniable star quality is Sony's way of hedging its bet.

Having watched the film, I was a bit taken aback. But then I realized that a lack of presence is just as offensive as an overtly stereotypical one, as the near-400 members of this Facebook group cry. "Tell Hollywood that it's okay to portray Asian-American men in lead roles as three-dimensional characters with personalities, feelings, and a sense of humor. You know. Regular people. Is that too much to ask for?"

Actually, it is. Sony has good reason not to brave new territory. Movies with an all Asian-American cast barely register on the radar — 2002's Better Luck Tomorrow was but a short flicker of hope — unless they unfold in an antiquated, how-exotic-am-I kind of way, as in 1993's Joy Luck Club, 2005's Memoirs of a Geisha, or even 2007's The Namesake. (One exception: stoner flick series Harold and Kumar, which stars John Cho and Kal Penn as just... stoners). What's implied here — and is upsetting to me — is that a movie dealing with an all-minority experience in America is unappealing, even more so when it's for sheer entertainment and not doling out some somber lesson in history. Director Robert Luketic only exacerbates this point when he typecasts Asian actors Lisa Lapira and Aaron Yoo as buffoonish, clumsy sidekicks who compulsively steal and can barely manage a sentence. Mickey Rooney's buck-toothed, yellowface character Mr. Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany's might recognize a distant kinship.

Perhaps the flick, getting mixed reviews, would have been better off had they heeded the text of Ben Mezrich's book Bringing Down the House, on which the film is based:

"What exactly is our 'profile'?" Kevin asked.

Martinez took the ball.

"Non-Caucasian, for one thing. Twenty-year-old white kids with million-dollar bankrolls raise a lot of suspicion. Asian, Greek, Persian — the kind of kids you see parking their BMWs outside of the Armani Café on Newbury Street, that's who we're looking for… Gambling is an Asian obsession. And nobody lets their kids run as wild as rich Persians and Greeks. Walk around any casino, the people throwing down purple chips are almost always dark-skinned. Card counters, on the other hand, are usually balding white men with glasses. We can use one stereotype to trump another."

What do you think, PopWatchers? Did 21 play its cards wrong, or just follow the house rules?

Truthsayer Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 03:04 AM EST

As I stated before, the ANGLOSPHERE is a racially dysfunctional cess pool of superficial culture that's on a downward spiral towards ghetto status.

America is at its root, a COLONY. The Wild West where pioneering rejects from Europe had to import women from the Old World and protect them as vital resources, no matter how ugly and horse-faced they may have been.

As a result, pure "European beauty" has always been rare and in demand in the United States. This rareity allowed Hollywood to sell its dream of the 'blonde bombshell', the 'smouldering brunette', the 'vixen redhead', all genotypes COMMON in countries such as France, Sweden, and particularly, Eastern Europe, to beauty-starved Americans from the colonial days until now.

Throw in the white guilt psychosis that equates racial forgiveness and progress with black glorification, and Asians will ALWAYS lose out in the Anglosphere.

N1663R Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 08:56 AM EST

Micah, perhaps it's because you're not Asian. Try living on the losing end of white privilege for a lifetime, and then tell me race doesn't matter.

Micah Bass Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 05:20 PM EST

I'm sorry I typo'd the link to the "real" Asian "Fisher" guy, Mike Aponte - yes, he really is asian as you can see here http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/Mike_Aponte_pic.php

So he's one of the original team members and managers, who brought Jeff Ma into the team, and he's Asian, and I think you might find he's less upset about all this than many of the folks here.

Micah Bass Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 05:16 PM EST

I just took some blackjack training from two of the original MIT guys http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/Dave_pic.php Mike Aponte and http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/Dave_pic.php David Irvine - as you can see one guy is Asian and one is white - I think it's interesting that the whole controversy seems to mean less to the actual guys involved than some of the folks on this board! I mean, from what I've seen Mike is not really that upset that his "Fisher" character is not Asian. It's Hollywood people - I mean really, it's just a movie!

You can see video of the original, real life guys on their new "Blackjack Virtual Training" website too http://www.blackjackvt.com ... as you can see the race thing is not that important to the real team players, at least it doesn't seem so to me.

mark Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM EST

regarding 21 and racism

predictably a number of comments say dont protest just put up with it, you are being too sensitive etc etc

wake up we are now in the 21st century and we still have the same old hollywood crap of distorting the race of the characters to conform to the myth of white superiority, the lead man who comes up with the great ideas and wins the money has to be portrayed as white even though he was asian. this is comparable to mel gibson having to pick a white guy to portray god (jesus) because of course the lead character has to be white

too bad jeff ma could not have had the back bone to just say he was not going to get involved in the project because of the standard racist hollywood crap

as far as the bottom financial line is concerned (the lead has to be white or the movie wont sell) if thats the case then just dont make the movie and find some other movie to make

guy aoki Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 04:50 PM EST

Truthsayer, I greatly appreciate all of your well-informed and profound comments. For those of you upset about the way Asian Americans keep getting pushed out of their own stories, please support Media Action Network for Asian Americans. You can check out manaa.org or myspace.manaala.com. We've been around for 16 years and meet with the television networks every year to encourage more AA leads and regulars. Many of the improvements you've seen over the past few years have not been accidents. But think of how many shows taking place in L.A., San Francisco, Hawaii, or in hospitals, have failed to prominently feature AAs- even when the breakout stars from "water cooler" shows have been Asian- Sandra Oh on "Grey's Anatomy," Masi Oka on "Heroes," Naveen Andrews on "Lost." They all got Emmy nominations and in most cases, were the only actors from their cast to get nods. So much for the non-bankability of Asian/Asian American stars- white audiences obviously "don't mind" watching them.

guy aoki Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 04:42 PM EST

"Believe me, I would have LOVED to cast Asians in the lead roles, but the truth is, we didn't have access to any bankable Asian-American actors that we wanted."
That's funny, Dana, because when I spoke to you in late 2005 about MANAA's concern that Sony had already made up their minds that the main characters were going to be white- except maybe for an Asian girlfriend (oh, spare me the cliche!), you didn't mention this problem to me. You gave me the tired line that you were only looking for the best actors for the role.
John Cho's more known than Jim Sturges. 21's big because of the concept, not big stars.
"If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film."
Maybe you should've. You've further enraged an ignored community while profiting from them & working with sell-outs like Jeff Ma. If you feel so bad, why not donate your profits to groups trying to improve opportunities for AA actors? Hello? Hello?

Truthsayer Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 04:00 AM EST

Boycotting the Anglosphere media will DO NOTHING to help your cause.

Why? Because the vast majority of Asian-Americans crave white acceptance and respect, and will copycat white tastes and trends no matter what.

Combine this with the overt and subtle enforcement of the racial totem pole that places Asian men at the BOTTOM of the 'cool/sexual' hierarchy in the Anglosphere, and progress will be neglible except for occasional infiltration of the estblishment by guys like Justin Lin.

Asian-Americans are a lost cause. It is from Asia itself that change will come. Once Asian directors start making Asian movies, BUT with white females in interracial romances with Asian men, with white men in supporting roles to the Asian male star, with black men in supporting roles to the Asian male star, and these movies make a mountain of money, only then will Hollywood be forced to copy US in order to take part in the cash cow.

The Anglosphere = HELL ON EARTH FOR ASIAN MEN.

t3hdow Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 05:03 PM EST

So let me get this straight ddd. You're basically blaming the Jews for influencing the nation's media, so Asians can't get their chance to shine?

Pot, meet kettle.

Robert Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 02:33 PM EST

N16663R - Yes I agree. I do support media that feature minorities in positive roles. I watched some movies from Asia recently, it is almost weird to see images of Asian men and women are regular people since we grew up dealing with mostly negative stereotypes on the screen. It is too bad many of these fine Asian movies will never make it to the USA because you know, they are not white enough. Hollywood, of course, has no problem white facing many Asian characters. 21 is hardly the only one. Look at movies that are coming out like Speed Racer, Dragon Z Ball and countless other Asian remakes. The new movie with Jack Chan and Jet Li has a white guy in ancient China? WTF? I am sure they will have the white guy falling in love with a fine Asian woman on top of that just to throw in yet another trend. I hope people that and enlighten don't support this racist business enterprise. Boycott Hollywood and don't give them a penny of your money.

N1663R Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM EST

Robert, please don't just bootleg films/shows that portray Asians negatively. The more enlightened folks in the Black community detest the tired stereotype of the Big Mamma as shown in Norbit and also in Tyler Perry's films.

Also, make sure that you clamp down on the piracy of diversity-positive media. I don't know of any myself, but I'm sure that the Asian-American community has its share of media that portrays itself as positive. Whatever you do please don't pirate them, but support your artists.

Robert Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 02:16 AM EST

I agree with N1663R below. Don't give Hollywood a penny. I have stopped buying anything from Hollywood that is derogatory to Asians. I still remember clearly the sick feeling when I was young that every time I see an Asian face on the screen, it is always negative and stereotypical. Hollywood has been nothing but racist to Asian men for years and years. Is it really that much to ask to cast Asian men as human beings vs. some stereotypical roles just so white men can feel superior about themselves? Is America really this shallow and racist that people can't appreciate a leading male that is not white? Or is Hollywood this racist that they have to cast a white male as lead in everything while minorities always play secondary or supporting roles? When will this country wake up and treat people as people? Why is race always a factor when it comes to Hollywood? I would say support bootleg and don't give a penny to Hollywood movies until we see some diversity.

Joyce Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 03:22 PM EST

Asianweek recently had an article about this whole thing and other movies that did the same.

http://www.asianweek.com/2008/04/07/21-film-ben-mezrich-cards-las-vegas-not-the-first-film-to-%e2%80%98whitewash%e2%80%99-our-history/

Truthsayer Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 04:53 PM EST

American media exists solely to stroke the fragile racially dysfunctional egos of black and white Americans while promoting a culture of unadulterated materialism and superficial flash over substance.

America is quite simply a vicious ghetto culture that's on a downward spiral to the bottom.

It's no wonder that in an environment like this, passive Asian values and people are mocked, denigrated, and ignored.

N1663R Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM EST

Taking a page out of the African-American activist playbook:


Back in the day, we used to bootleg any movies that showed black people in stereotypical roles. The idea behind this was that racist producers didn't deserve black folks' money. So, by increasing supply of those racist films, we'd decrease demand. Soon, Hollywood realized that it doesn't pay to stereotype black folk. Now we got Will Smith, Jamie Foxx, Denzel Washington, and a whole slew of bankable African-American actors.


I suggest Asian folk do the same as we did. Don't just boycott, BOOTLEG!

jen h Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:18 PM EST

21 could have totally cast asian american leads and have the "stars" be kevin spacey and laurence fishburne, but we'll never know.

the way to change hollywood is not just boycotting or complaining, but also proving that good films with asian american actors CAN make money. go find asian american films at film festivals and see them when they go to theaters or on DVD now- those like Better Luck Tomorrow or Saving Face- or coming out later this year- West 32nd or Never Forever or Ping Pong Playa. these films have been to Toronto and Sundance and other festivals but don't get the hype because they don't have the studio $$.

Even putting your money for tickets for Harold and Kumar 2 (instead of 21) will help those actors become more "bankable" if the film does well.... they only made a sequel because the film did well on DVD and grew a cult audience.

JP Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM EST

On a side yet related note that Im not sure has been discussed yet...have you noticed the trailer for Forbidden Kingdom? Sure, cast two of the most popular Asian male leads in the world based on one of the most enduring Chinese legend...and have the unknown Caucasian male making out with the Asian hottie. Dude!

ddd Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 02:39 PM EST

the problem with america is that, the mindset of the nation is rotten, which is due to the culture, which is channeled through the media, which is run by racist, zionist jews who consider non-jewish minorities as slaves that they can continually step on and degrade. unfortunately this is a deep-rooted religious belief that will not change any time soon for the quintessential jewish society

Truthsayer Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:05 PM EST

I've travelled all over the world and I can tell you America is just about the WORST place for Asian-American men to get recognized as MEN.

I've met Asian-American men living in Europe who were married to women who look like Kate Bosworth.

And they were intelligent, cultured, and had a fascination for Asian culture.

Are you going to find girls like that in the cultural cess pool of racial hyprocrisy that is the USA?

Hell no!

The sooner the American empire ends (and it's ending, with its worthless American peso), the better.

DIE HOLLYWOOD DIE

anonymous Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM EST

This movie is so racist and really makes the general American population look racist too. I wonder what the reaction of white people if Asian filmmakers started doing the same thing, then it would just be considered garbage right? I also love how hollywood could possibly make a movie called the Last Samurai with Tom Cruise as the last samurai. Ridiculous

Truthsayer Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 09:45 AM EST

It wasn't long ago that BLACK MEN were considered UNBANKABLE.

How did this change?

White liberal guilt and the pseudo-pathetic desire to appear 'tolerant' allowed black men to get supporting roles in practically EVERY American sitcom or Hollywood film imaginable. Most of these roles were ALWAYS positive.

Soon, these supporting roles led to charismatic actors becoming bankable enough to be leading stars.

Why will this NEVER happen for Asian male actors?

Because this is the Anglosphere, where black progress = racial progress but Asian progress IS NOT considered racial progress.

America may be ready for a black President (as shown in mainstream polls), but they absolutely DETEST the thought of an Asian male present (Asian males ranked DEAD LAST in what Americans would want as a President).

Things that make you want to get out of the US of A.

Adam Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 09:36 AM EST

To "The whole team wasn't Asian"

True, the whole team wasn't Asian, but the MAIN, IMPORTANT, BEST members of the team were non-Caucasian. Why choose to portray 2 of the white members of the team in the movie instead of 2 non-white characters that actually had a bigger role in the whole operation? Oh, right, because Hollywood execs are either stupid, racist, or both.

b Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 03:51 AM EST

Along thing lines of what sara said, the argument that "it's just business" is flawed because Hollywood is partly responsible for the fact that Asian-Americans are not bankable due to their portrayal of Asians-Americans. If you are an entity that has a great deal of influence on popular taste and perception, you can't claim to just be responding to what the public wants.

balls Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 03:43 AM EST

"If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film. But then again, Liza and Aaron wouldn't have gotten the work that they did"

I think Dana here is calling us ingrates...unclear why...

sara Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 01:29 AM EST

I second Jason's request for Ms. Brunetti.

I'm an adopted Asian-American. I am weary of being viewed as a foreigner in my own country, especially with my entire family being Caucasian. Strangers assume I can't speak English, am a foreign exchange student, a recent immigrant to the US. This happens to many of my Asian friends as well.

I think it's not really racism that causes this; it's more ignorance. As long as Hollywood and mainstream media continue to portray Asians as foreign or secondary beings (martial arts experts, exotic women, goofy sidekicks, etc.), the chance of strangers embracing me simply as an American diminish.

People argue whether or not the casting change was racist. Call it what you want. I call it yet another missed opportunity. Thank God for Harold and Kumar.

Truthsayer Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 01:18 AM EST

FACT:

The role of SUNG KANG in Fast & the Furious: Tokyo Drift had to be FORCED IN by director Justin Lin.

Sung Kang ended up becoming the most well-liked of the characters by test audiences.

There's simply no excuse to cast "Aaron Yoo" and hope he gets more roles in the future.

Sung Kang, John Cho, Will Yun Lee are all excellent, attractive Asian-American actors with built-in followings who could have gotten the call.

Again, this follows the ANGLOSPHERE dysfunctional racial worldview behavioral script to the tee:

1. Never cast an Asian man in multi-dimensional role (check!)

2. Never cast an Asian man in a sexual role (check!)

3. If an Asian male is cast, make him look geeky, asexual, and buffoonish (check!)

4. Always throw in a black man as the lead or in a supporting role (check!)

Jason Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 06:39 PM EST

Dana, I'd like for you to think about two sections of your argument...

"We cast them in the hope that the exposure they received in 21 would make them more bankable in the future."

and

"If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film. But then again, Liza and Aaron wouldn't have gotten the work that they did."

Why wouldn't you be able to cast them in a different story??? Please explain this as it has everything to do with what "Boycott 21" is about. You don't even have to answer. Just think about it.

churchill95 Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 01:53 AM EST

Give me a break Dana. First of all, you're simply passing the buck, claiming no responsibility because the decision-makers are elsewhere. Second, that type of reasoning is tantamount to "Hollywood doesn't try new things because new things aren't proven to make money." Though Hollywood may be slow to change, it certainly does change. Over the past decade or so, we've seen a Hollywood adopt, even embrace, once taboo subjects such as homosexuality. Third, the fact that there are no "bankable" Asian actors I think is just false. It's not like Jim Sturgess is an A-list actor. If they chose Ewan McGregor or someone with star power, I might buy that argument. But they chose Jim Sturgess, a B-list with mostly TV credits.

Papa G Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 02:35 PM EST

While profit is the number one goal in any business, especially in many Hollywood movies, I have to ask at what cost are we willing to go to make the extra buck? Much of capitalism works because people tend to be greedy and we live in fear of each other. We as a society have become so used to the idea of profit, it has somehow been deemed a virtue.

Having said that, this isn't merely a matter of profit. No, not in the case of this movie. In fact it cleverly uses the MOTIVE OF PROFT as a justification for subtle (or not so subtle) forms of discrimination. "We did it because we wanted to maximize profit." "We wanted to find the best actor for the job." I don't know about you, but I don't know any actor that can change the color of their skin, well, except for maybe Meryl Streep.

JJ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 01:33 PM EST

Dana, are you kidding me?

Liza and Aaron are more bankable in the future because of their appearance in 21? Don't give us that BS. We're not as dumb as your target audience.

Their talent was wasted in this film and you know it. they'd have a chance at "bankability" if you gave their characters some human characteristics.

Screw you, Dana. It's still wrong to profit from racist systems. I saw this movie over the internet the other day, and I'm glad I did. You bigots don't deserve my money.

Dana Brunetti Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 09:43 AM EST

Believe me, I would have LOVED to cast Asians in the lead roles, but the truth is, we didn't have access to any bankable Asian-American actors that we wanted. And by bankable, I mean that if we were to have cast Aaron Yoo in the role of Ben Campbell, as talented as he is, we would not have received the funding that we did with Jim Sturgess in the role. Call it what you will, but that's the reality we faced. If the didn't get the funding, then we couldn't have made the movie as well as we did.

We didn't just cast Aaron and Liza to "throw you a bone." We cast them in the hope that the exposure they received in 21 would make them more bankable in the future. And based upon what I've heard so far, I really believe that goal was accomplished. I know you'll see them in better roles in the future.

If I had known how upset the Asian-American community would be about this, I would have picked a different story to film. But then again, Liza and Aaron wouldn't have gotten the work that they did

Jim Crow Lives On! Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 09:00 AM EST

This isn't racism. It's called bankability... Yeah. Asian-American actors aren't as bankable as White Enlgishmen.

Okay, so maybe it is racism. Is it okay to profit from racist presuppositions? Ask Steven Spielberg:
http://www.falloutcentral.com/news/2008/04/01/steven-spielberg-speaks-out-against-hollywood-racism/

TruthNugget Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 08:33 AM EST

Supporters of the decision to cast Jim Sturgess as Ben Campbell claim that producers simply sought the best actor for the job, regardless of race.

Ultimately, this meant passing over many Asian-American talents in favor of London-born Jim Sturgess, who required a dialect coach to speak American English.

The producers practically exported this job across the Atlantic, simply to avoid casting an Asian-AMERICAN guy in the lead!

I think this is a violation of civil rights:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117954779.html?categoryid=18&cs=1

RonPaul2008 Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 08:10 AM EST

No one complained when George Stephanopolis was portrayed by an African AMerican in Primary Colors, or when Bob Dylan was portrayed by a woman.

Do you know why no one complained? it's because there is no lack of white male representation in film and television, THAT'S WHY!

Asian men, on the other hand are rarely ever put front and center, and when they are, they are forced to speak with heavy accents, in stereotypical/caricatured roles, or in ethnicity-specific roles, but NEVER as AMERICANS.

That's the reason Asians are upset, because the film 21 was a missed opportunity to show Asians otherwise.

F--- You, Hollywood. You don't deserve my money,

George Chell Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM EST

"The fact that white people are unwilling to watch people of color on screen is a loud testament of American racism."

And the media seriously wants me to believe that America is ready for a black President and that Barrack "on crack" Obama and Oprah "on opium" Winfrey are not deluded or on drugs? What a joke!

Raj Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 09:57 AM EST

The Hollywood execs claim that white Americans are too racist to watch an heavily Asian American or non-white cast. Are they telling the truth? We will know on the morning of November 5, 2008. If Obama is elected President, the claims by the execs would ring hollow. On the other hand, if Obama looses even traditionally Dem state such as PA and proves Governor Rendell's point, then Hollywood is indeed making a business decions..catering to the majority racist white American moving goers.

Truthsayer Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM EST

FACT:

Jet Li kisses Aliyah in 'Romeo Must Die'

Hollywood execs ORDER the filmmaker to DELETE this scene because it wouldn't 'test well' with urban audiences.

END RESULT: No kissing scene whatsoever in 'Romeo Must Die'


This is DIRECTLY OPPOSITE what happens in MANY European countries, where Asian men on-screen are adored and followed by art-oriented filmgoers from France to Italy to Hungary to the Czech Republic.

ANGLOSPHERE vs EUROSPHERE

One is filled with racial hyprocrasy and anti-Asian male sentiment.

The other is filled with an curiousity and openness towards the other.

Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 04:09 AM EST

While its true that positive roles for Asians on screen are limited, keep in mind that Jackie Chan and Jet Li have been very successful in recent years. Even though most of their roles have been stereotypical, one has to remember that they have accents and practice martial arts in real life anyways.

Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 03:39 AM EST

This is probably just a numbers thing since most of the population in the US is either black or white. Hollywood tries to appeal mostly to these people because more viewers equals more money. It seems Hollywood is only concerned about its own financial gain.

Praise Allah Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 03:19 AM EST

Someone should bomb the Oscars. Then, they'll listen.

America didn't listen to Blacks until Malcolm X entered the scene.

Praise Allah Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 03:19 AM EST

Someone should bomb the Oscars. Then, they'll listen.

America didn't listen to Blacks until Malcolm X entered the scene.

ass Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:23 AM EST

The fact that white people are unwilling to watch people of color on screen is a loud testament of American racism.


Burn Hollywood Burn!!!

Vic Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:18 AM EST

I believe White people sense of self are too fragile to watch anything but themselve being glorified and portrayed as heroes and saviors. What ironics is white people have shown to be evils, condescending, and horrible human beings.

burnout Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 08:06 PM EST

Of course it's racist!

Just like Tom Cruise's role in the "Last Samurai!" Or every Hollywood remake of Asian cinema like Ringu or Infernal Affairs.

Why can't they just show Asian faces onscreen, unless it's in a demeaning light as propaganda?

The answer...RACISM!!!

Truthsayer Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM EST

America sees EVERYTHING in BLACK or WHITE.

Just look at Obama. Let's just say if his name was Barack Chan, he'd be teaching tax law at NYU rather than running for President.

Obama becomes President? Racial progress! We are tolerant! Kumbayah Praise the Lord!

Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Jamie Fox, Morgan Freeman, and others as leading men? Racial Progress! I have a dream! Hallelujah!

ASIAN-AMERICAN MEN as leading men in a Hollywood film? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Don't make me laugh, who wants to see a bunch of boring asexual geeks? (After all, that' what ALL Asian men are like right? Or that's what Hollywood would have you believe).

Welcome to the ANGLOSPHERE.

dswfr Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 02:35 AM EST

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dt Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 02:06 AM EST

It's sad to read some of these posts and realize how this is accepted in Hollywood. "Hollywood cares only about the color green" So being denied a job because of your race is simply a business decision?

And the fact that other than Harold and Kumar, there has never been a film with an asian male lead in a non-race specific role, and this doesn't come across anyone's radar?

dt Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 01:58 AM EST

I find it completely frustrating that there have been so very few asian male leads in films except when they are cast specifically for their race/exoticness. Harold and Kumar and that is basically it. I mean it. There are no other studio films with asian male actors playing "regular" roles. It may not be outwardly racism, but it is indeed institutionally racist.

Truthsayer Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 01:46 AM EST

The dysfunctional racial worldview of the Anglosphere media:

1. Never insult blacks. Do everything you can to portray blacks (esp. black men) as cool, sexy, wise, compassionate, and noble.

2. Never put an Asian man on-screen in a positive, full dimensional role. Never EVER put an Asian man on screen in a sexual role.

3. Racism exists ONLY when perpetrated against blacks. All other groups are fair, open game (except Muslims, because they may try to blow us up afterwards).

JE Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 09:50 AM EST

21 is not exactly racist. The re-working of the details to appeal to a broader audience was NOT racist. These were simlpy business decisios. 21 is probably a decent movie, though I wouldn't know, because I haven't seen it.

However, the presuppositions upon which the casting decisions were made were indeed RACIST: These business decisions were based upon the presupposition that box-office success of a film is achieved when you have white leads with Asian supporting characters, rather than Asian leads with white supporting characters.

Have you thought for a minute about why that is, and what that means in a broader, social sense? Have you thought about what that could mean for your children? Is that something you're willing to accept? Pause here, and think about that for a minute...

Bubba Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 09:10 AM EST

Funny thing.... only the true racists are the ones calling the movie racist.

Jeff Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:29 AM EST

No one complained when George Stephanopolis was portrayed by an African AMerican in Primary Colors, or when Bob Dylan was portrayed by a woman.

People Watcher Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 06:29 AM EST

A few things Hollywood won't tell you. 1.)America was not discovered by Columbus 2.) The only ALL AMERICANS are mostly on reservations and don't look like Chuck Connors.3)The Pilgrims suspended the 10 Commandments upon their arrival 4)Rock'n& Roll was originally called "race music and "n" word music, ROCK ON! 5.)The original SURFERS were of Polynesian origin(brown boys). 5.) Asians, Hispanics and Africans are not running the drug trade nor are they the biggest thieves. 6.)All non-white men and women are not interested nor chasing down white men and women as portrayed in Hollywood. There are many beautiful men and women of colour interested in other non white people of colour.

Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 05:21 AM EST

Historical accuracy has never been one of Hollywoods strong points. The problem with not calling them (Hollywood) out on these inaccuracies and omissions of factual information is that we have generations of people, whom grow up accepting these inaccuracies as fact. We should be asking ourselves, who and what are these distortions promoting and what purpose these inaccuracies are serving. Think about it !!!!

The Truthsayer Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 03:35 AM EST

Listen up.

Hollywood doesn't portray Asian/Asian-American men in positive roles because WHITE & BLACK AMERICANS DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.

Hollywood execs have literally said: "IF WE PUT A YELLOW MAN ON THE SCREEN, AMERICANS WILL TURN OFF THE T.V. IN LESS THAN 2 MINUTES"

Why are Americans so racist against Asians, and especially Asian men?

Too complicated to go into but I can assure you anti-Asian male bias is INHERENT and MOST POWERFUL in the ANGLOSPHERE (U.S., Australia, the U.K., and to a lesser extent, Canada).

Keith Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 03:01 AM EST

Maybe they should have compromised and cast Keanu Reeves and that girl from Smallville.

fred yawitz Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:34 AM EST

Only SONY knows if the movie was made overtly as racist. I just came from the movie "21" and I haven't read anywhere (maybe I missed it) that the main lead antagonist is Laurence Fishburne..certainly not a buffoon or clumsy tho admittedly not Asian either. I have not read the book so I don't know if that character is black or not. The problem seems to be more one of PERCEIVED racism..may not be real. BUT even that can be a problem. If you were making a movie about Golda Meier, would you cast a Palestinian actress in the part, even tho she looked MORE like the original than the original? I am currently writing a novel and hopefully a movie someday about a young gay Nazi officer. I would not care if the lead was portrayed by an actor who is not German..or for that matter not even gay...Is that PC or not? And who should care..And why should anyone care? I thought "21" was great. I think this entire PERCEIVED racist business is not a good reason NOT to see the film.

fred yawitz Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:34 AM EST

Only SONY knows if the movie was made overtly as racist. I just came from the movie "21" and I haven't read anywhere (maybe I missed it) that the main lead antagonist is Laurence Fishburne..certainly not a buffoon or clumsy tho admittedly not Asian either. I have not read the book so I don't know if that character is black or not. The problem seems to be more one of PERCEIVED racism..may not be real. BUT even that can be a problem. If you were making a movie about Golda Meier, would you cast a Palestinian actress in the part, even tho she looked MORE like the original than the original? I am currently writing a novel and hopefully a movie someday about a young gay Nazi officer. I would not care if the lead was portrayed by an actor who is not German..or for that matter not even gay...Is that PC or not? And who should care..And why should anyone care? I thought "21" was great. I think this entire PERCEIVED racist business is not a good reason NOT to see the film.

end the hypocrocy of obamonation Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM EST

Hey, Mr Greens.

I think your racist comment needs to come off this post. You know the one about kill all honky's. Yet i can't say anything regarding the N word. I'm sick of the PC hipocrocy and it'll only get worse if we don't speak out against the likes of you and the USA hating RACIST reverend Wright's of this country.

Jason Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:07 PM EST

Mark F., would you mind if I re-posted your comment onto the Boycott 21 group wall or discussion board?

Mark F. Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:39 PM EST

That people are saying this is racist, they could not be more correct. I grew up in the 50s and 60s being taught, in public school, that all Asians were basically evil. I have been coming to China now for 5 years for business and have recently moved here for the same reason. Over time I have found that there is not one stereotype of Asians that is true unless you can also apply it to Caucasians, Blacks, and Hispanics. And it is not just racist to continue to portray Asians as weak or stupid or shifty. It is stupid business. Here in China they are making the moves that will, within a few years, will set the stage for China to become the highest dollar (or euro or RMB) value market in the world. The entire catalog of of USA films that have been made with racist portraits of Chinese and other Asian peoples will have a net value of zero in China. Forget about racist for a moment, it is just bad long term business planning.

Will Smith Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM EST

@CKMBA - I agree, point well made. My wife and I will be more responsible in the way we consume media.

Will Smith Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:25 PM EST

Asian Americans not marketable? Wasn't there a time when African Americans weren't marketable? And now we have Will Smith in the record-busting movie, "I Am Legend." Some history on I Am Legend, it was made TWICE before with White Male leads and neither of those versions could even hold a candle to the success of the version with Will Smith as the lead. Saying that only Whites are marketable is 110% racist.

CKMBA Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:10 PM EST

@ Adolph Heidler: Hilarious way of calling out their BS!!!!!!

CKMBA Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:03 PM EST

I have resolved to be socially responsible in the way I consume media. If a movie or show does nothing to advance the image of Asian Americans, I don't buy or rent it. I might watch it, but I won't pay for it. Furthermore, I've kept track of all the money I've saved by NOT consuming diversity-negligent media, and donated that amount to charities that help promote the advancement of Asian Americans in the media.

How much more BS are YOU going to tolerate?

Society won't change unless YOU DO.

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:32 PM EST

why do black people think they are always picked on how about all the other races nobody else acts like that enough is enough dont be a bunch of cry babies

Mediterranean Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 08:55 PM EST

Greeks and Persians? Aren't they Caucasians? Greece is in Eureope for Pete's sake!

I'm Mediterranean myself, and don't consider us Meds "white," but if you're going to say that Greeks and Persians should be considered Asian, when the US Affirmative Action definitions consider anyone from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East to be "white," then you can't do this.

Hollywood ROUTINELY casts Northern Europeans as Greeks, Italians, Romans, ancient Egyptians, etc. all the time. The only time they use a lot of us Mediterraneans in the cast is when we are playing mobsters, idiots, crooks, or terrorists.

By the way, also remember that the Jews originated in the Middle East, yet they are always considered white in movies, too. Unless there's a Nazie or racist character in it.

The "Last Legion" is full of Brits, so is the HBO series "Rome." What gets a predominately Italian and Mediterraneans cast? "The Sopranos." That says it all right there.

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 08:46 PM EST

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Mr Eazee Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 08:43 PM EST

The reason most movies are made is to make MONEY. That's not racist. Why not ask Ang Lee why he didn't cast Asians in 'Brokeback Mountain'? If 'monorities' want Asians in movies nobody is stopping them! The real racist comment I noticed was Ma not wanting a Japanese to play him.

Jessica Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 06:56 PM EST

The truth of the matter is that Jim Sturgess is more bankable (and the woman on the team was white). I could care less about the original story. At this point everyone knows that the really good card counter was Asian. What determines whether I go see a heist flick on the big screen or wait for rental is how good looking the lead is. And while there are plenty of good looking Asian guys out there, few of them are going to bring in as much business as Jim Sturgess.

Benjamin Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 04:47 PM EST

Changin the MIT character to whites instead of Asians/ Persians is like Boyz n da hood with white dudes.

Ringu Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 04:11 PM EST

It pretty sad Hollywood do not cast alot
of asian in lead roles, and as for black actor they have to be in the buisness for a
long time just to make it. the A list black actor are in there late 30's to 50's. but back to asian in cinema it's
truly a sad world, so many top asian
actor not getting a chance to shine.

t3hdow Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:19 PM EST

And before any of you start arguing against me, yes; I'm aware Uncle Tom's Cabin is a fictional work written by a white abolitionist woman and not based off historical events. Still, seeing how it helped shaped history and seeing how Uncle Tom is being bastardized today, it's worth noting.

t3hdow Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:14 PM EST

Did anyone take the quote 'based off true events' with any heed? Yeah, it's wrong that Hollywood whitewashed the characters, but their main concern is to make money the best way possible, even if that means altering certain parts of the plot to do so. Whether its a book adaption or an account on actual events, take it with a grain of salt and see it as its own separate work. Don't feel bad for enjoying it if you do, even when it betrays some base details.
However, the problem lies with people seeing the films as fact. No history major worth a damn used a movie based off an historical event without acknowledging the liberties its filmmakers made. Otherwise, it'll turn into another Uncle Tom, who's still being perpetuated in the black community as a traitorous caricature from the films/plays instead of the martyr figure in the book.
If you want facts, don't rely on Hollywood to paint a very accurate picture. Do outside research to find out for yourself.

ms.independent Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:10 PM EST

this comment is in response to Shannon's comment: when people talk about racism, it doesn't always mean blacks or whites. There are other races as well you know. There is more than just black and white races. What about asians, hispanics, native americans? Do they not feel the effects of racism as well? So when we see the word racist sometimes we are not always talking about whites or blacks...

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:47 PM EST

when I can find the meaning of this word I'll gladly join them if it fit the size of my brain if it's means predators I will hate it from the core of my being whatever life that is unbiblical I will hate it from the core of my being cause in the human's book I find there are 2 kind of people the good and the evil my prayer is whatever color the evil one is I will flush it in hell before it's time I can't stand them if it is what racist means I beg you please fill me in I'll do anything to be included whatever it takes cause my dad never come back home one night and tell us his family that he went to cemetery to buy a soul he could not find one color I know growing up in my country in witchcraft family I knew only Jesus people's souls that cause many to repent because the big demon not only say he don't know the person they experience a huge light that covers the cemetery or they head songs singing that chills their bodies that how all my family make a living

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:47 PM EST

when I can find the meaning of this word I'll gladly join them if it fit the size of my brain if it's means predators I will hate it from the core of my being whatever life that is unbiblical I will hate it from the core of my being cause in the human's book I find there are 2 kind of people the good and the evil my prayer is whatever color the evil one is I will flush it in hell before it's time I can't stand them if it is what racist means I beg you please fill me in I'll do anything to be included whatever it takes cause my dad never come back home one night and tell us his family that he went to cemetery to buy a soul he could not find one color I know growing up in my country in witchcraft family I knew only Jesus people's souls that cause many to repent because the big demon not only say he don't know the person they experience a huge light that covers the cemetery or they head songs singing that chills their bodies that how all my family make a living

Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM EST

Shannon is this particular topic about Africans, I thought we were discussing Asian perspectives. Whites playing the victim role now is absolutely incredible.

Shannon R. Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM EST

It gets really old when people keep playing the race card. There is the first amendment. Get over it. If white people imitated black people the way black people imitated white people in 'white chicks', then the NAACP would have a field day and cry racism. I'm so over the petty complaining.

JHN Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM EST

Responding to Trish: Angelina Jolie did a brilliant job as Marianne Pearl in 'A Mighty Heart.'

My objection lies not so much in the actor or actress not being of the ethnicity as the character she or he is playing, but that the character is not portrayed as being of the real-life ethnicity, but rather adapted to the 'look' of the actor or actress.

Hasn't Hollywood ever heard of makeup? Seriously.

---
As for the little political subdialogs going on, I can't help throwing in my own two cents. J.M., people are always dying around the world. There will always be the next political, economic, social, or natural catastrophe going on, and we'll never be able to respond appropriately if we haven't figured ourselves out here at home.
I must admit, Rick Magee, that I'm not a big fan of 'P.C.' either. Laudable ideals, but it also tends to seal off debate and discussion that obviously still needs to happen if sex and skin color are actually factors in this upcoming election.

Bill Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:08 AM EST

NO!! It's a movie. Get a life people.

Adolph Heidler Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:26 AM EST

When it comes to its own and this culture's absolute lust for filthy lucre, living out the sinister caveat emptor side of the profit motive, and responding to its proven and inherent "root of all evil", Hollywood will blow up a fleet of planes with its mothers in them to make money. It would be anti-Amerikkkan and anti-"Jewish" to portray really, really smart people in the media any way other than as lily white western U-rope-peons or as caugaysians. The good news is this too shall pass. Selah.

T. Pennington Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 06:16 AM EST

The true minority is the white male. Instead of being fair across the board for every race. The tables have now turned and instead of being balanced, are now tilted back the other way. What is the difference in this movie and "Carlito's way" or "Boyz N Da Hood"??

Santirix Gremionis Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 04:17 AM EST

The epithet "Racist" has lost all the validity and potency it once had because it has been unjustifiably overused in our society. This article is a typical example of such unjustifiable usage. When Sony made a simple business decision in casting "21" that harmed or demeaned no person or ethnic group, it was counter-productive to brand them as racist.

Richard Jones Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:14 PM EST

No, it's Hollywood, make believe land.
But Obama's pastor is racist.

Shemp Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 09:03 PM EST

Another poster said it best: The only "color" that Hollywood (as an industry) concerns itself with is GREEN. If some studio exec thought the movie would be a hit with nothing but AMOEBAS on the screen, they'd've cast single-celled animals. Besides, did you ever see a mainstream (ie, white) "romantic comedy" that starred "average"-looking people as stars? What was that movie where Diane Lane portrays a "lonely single woman"? I mean, in what COSMOS is a female that looks like Diane Lane LONELY?!?

response to "justme" Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:42 PM EST

typically, land isn't stolen because it doesn't belong to someone, unless they are willing and able to fight for it. u probably think that man stole the earth from all of the animals and plants too. gimme a break. i guess the first man to inhabit the earth owned everything and it has all been unjustly taken from him by hoarding thieves.

Benji Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:00 PM EST

Mr.Lee.You must live in some kind of fantsy land. Greece is not the richest place on the earth these days and Persia vanished many, many moons ago.It existed partially on today's Iran territory. It would be nice to see a Persian passport.Hmm?

greens Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 07:15 PM EST

Solution to the racism in hollywood:

kill every honky in existence.

Jarett Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 05:50 PM EST

What a crock! The success of Harold & Kumar was because these characters did not fit neatly into the pre-packaged notion of Asian characters. 21 will probably flop as it comes along as yet another homogenized bit of fluff, marginally entertaining and over marketed. I wonder if anyone will think, they can't make movies with young attractive white actors anymore if 21 flops.

Matt Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 05:10 PM EST

There's no need to get worked up and the issue could have been resolved by picking actors true to the real story.

@ overseer:
That's old news, get over that "presidential moaning". I'd really like to know all the crazy things anyone who was close to any president has ever said. We'd probably be here till kingdom come if we wanted to count all the non-mass media mis-speakers, eh???

Econ Warrior Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 03:17 PM EST

Why is everyone so surprised? We are dealing with the greatest murderers, thieves, drug pushers, liars and pimps in the world with their pretense of civility and truth. I believe its call propaganda on the big screen.

overseer Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 01:27 PM EST

discussions of racism are mostly boring and fraudulent. ANYTIME someone is in the least offended , war hoops of racism go up. this is cinema. it is art. they call it ACTING because actors can play roles of any style in any mode (without regard for race, religion, ethnicity, or national origin). in my view it s racist to call this film racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why not be more conservative in throwing around htis social dagger. the only clear examples of racism i've seen in the past few years were the jackson / sharpton yelping in support of the brawley fraud or the false accuser of the white Duke lacrosse players, and most recently the distorted reverand white (a black racist - no pun intended)who called for the death and destruction of white people (you know, the devils) and their culture and their country (you kno, the USA). you know the one - the 20 year mentor to a democratic candidate in the presidential primary race. is that really who you want as president of ALL the people? @#$%^

J So Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:01 PM EST

There was also Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift. Which character did people like best...? HAN, played by SUNG KANG.

Thanks for this popwatch.

I like what the SONY PR guy said: "We are not here to make a documentary."

No shyt, then make a good film that reflects the story: the card players' ethnicity also played a big part in their The success. Read the book!

But that's okay, Sony was also the folks that made GEISHA, which was practically filmed all in JAPAN, o wait... no... VENTURA COUNTY, CA.

Finally, I feel bad for Jeff Ma. What is he gonna tell to his son/daughter or even family- "Daddy, how come the guy playing you is a Brit? But you are Chinese American? And your success had to do with how you played in your ethnicity at the casino...! Daddy, and how come you didnt want Japanese or Koreans playing you?" Answer that too. Sounds like Sony's PR guy shold have been focusing on some internal talking points, instead of educating the Asian American community.

justme Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM EST

I think that white folks are missing a vital point in racism. When Caucasians came to America in the 16th and 17th century they took lands that were not their own. So now they are taking credit for working hard to accomplish what they have, but in retrospect if you take something from someone else and claim it as your own would not that be stealing? As a result, yes they have an advantage over all ethical groups. That includes the media, entertainment, housing, and all other assets that other people are trying to open the door to.

Jackie Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 09:16 AM EST

Card counting is not illegal. It is frowned upon by casino owners because they are not in business to give away money. Counting cards evens out the odds in a game that is stacked toward the house.

Osoma Obama Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:30 AM EST

Obama is a secret Muslim who is going to set up an Al Queda call in the Oval Office.

Rick Magee Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:24 AM EST

Political Correctness has caused the Dumbing Down of Society. To find fault where none was intended is troubling in itself. Are you all that Thin-skinned or are you just trying to create furor over nothing? Your perpetuating this false accusation is detrimental to an otherwise entertaining presentation. Remember Charlie Chan Movies? Classics like Amos and Andy. Both are not shown due to Political Correctness. Muslims slaughter non-believers but that Fact cannot be shown to the World because of this same thinking. Tou make me sick!

DrStan Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:24 AM EST

Jet Li for President. Would you idiots get off this race s*** and enjoy your measly little lives.

SrDan Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:15 AM EST

Poor little titie babies. Who gives a s***?

RAY Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 05:53 AM EST

I GUESS RACISISM CAN BE FOUND IN ANYTHING IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IT. I SAW THE MOVIE AS ENTERTAINMENT AND I ENJOYED IT

Luis PJ Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 02:59 AM EST

The hype machine need an update so it sell the idea to people better and balance (to a degree it can get)

osama Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 01:36 AM EST

cheech and chong was racist too!

J.M. Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM EST

waaa, waaa! People are dying all over the world, global warming, terrorists, etc. and this is all "gen. y and x" can find is important. Well, here is a news flash most people in Hollywood movies do not resemble the American public, I'm WHITE and I really can't identify with the people in movies, in magazines, etc. But, most people can identify with situations. Of course what they are doing is highly illegal, it's always those horrible whites leading every poor minority down the wrong path, sniff sniff. P.S. not all white grandparents are well off.

Bill Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:33 PM EST

Anyone with brains can be a card counter.It is a skill. It should be legal.

Joe Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 09:01 PM EST

Thank you for pointing this fact out.

The only way to get thru the ignorant studio execs' collective head that the American public isn't so racist, is to not watch the movies in question & call the execs out on their racial prejudices as the reason for refusing to watch their movies.

Stan Dyer Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 08:13 PM EST

Well, maybe I am racist. I saw the movie and I saw nothing racist in it at all. Sure, star power was cast in leading roles, and they did good jobs, but, when I was watching the movie, the different races of the characters never entered my mind. I saw actors and people. I assume if similar talent was cast in those roles, a similar result would emerge no matter which races were chosen to play those parts. I suppose if people want to find racism, they will find it wherever they look.

Charles P Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 07:36 PM EST

You have to remember that EVERYTHING in HOLLYWOOD MOVIES IS A LIE!!!

IN "Apollo 13", they NEVER MENTION the fact that a small child (ME, Charles Petrik)was the one who told NASA how to save the astronauts!

In "Charlie Wilson's War", they PRETEND that charlie Wilson was the person who created the idea for the Stinger Missile, sending mules to Afghanistan, etc. It was ME, CHARLES PETRIK, that came up with those ideas for the CIA. I contacted wilson by accident, when trying to find congressman Doc ?(whatever his name was). EVERYONE knows that Wilson did NOTHING BUT PARTY, BUT HOLLYWOOD IGNORES THE TRUTH BECAUSE COMMIE DAN RATHER TELLS THEM TO write it and leave me out of history!

I was the person who witnessed and REPORTED TO LA GOVERNMENT (DFACS) that Roman Polanski molesting children at a sex party, yet this is NEVER IN THE MOVIE "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired"! The movie IGNORES that HOLLYWOOD CORRUPTION/ COVER-UPS caused an ABNORMAL TRIAL, NOT judicial system flaws!

To Witness Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 04:05 PM EST

You have a point in that the media that is missing should be brokered by those calling it to question. And that media IS getting made. However, the distribution of these films is limited and less attention is given to these "smaller" projects. Attend the various Latino/Black/Asian American film festivals taking place around the country. It's out there but without mainstream support, you'll never know about it either.

The Witness Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:48 PM EST

There are many rich and powerful Asians in America. There are many rich and powerful Blacks in America. So why do rich and powerful Whites have to make movies for them. Jackie Chan has made GREAT movies full of Asians. Spike Lee has made GREAT movies full of blacks. So if Asians want more Asians in movies, make them. If Blacks want movies with more Blacks, make them. Quit griping about
Whites not making enough films with minorities in them. Cowboy up and start making your own movies. Want racism, check out Spike Lee's 'Malcolm X' where a character says to Malcolm: "Did you ever meet a good white person?"
Or Jackie Chan's & Tuckers' exchange about follow the fat white guy to get to the bottom of a crime. Or like Hughly's TV show where he ends one episode laying on his roof yelling: "My Mother told me not to trust white people!" And if you want nonstop racism just watch some black sitcoms. Or Danny Glover saying in L.W. nobody helped my people get free. 350,000 Union dead disagree.

junior Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:36 PM EST

Oh Jakeem, it isn't, that was racist too.

junior Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:35 PM EST

Zhang Ziyi, John Cho (whom I adore), Masi Oka, that's 3 off the top of my head and I'm black. I think it was incredibly stupid to do this. With "A Mighty Heart" it's one character whose race was never discussed in the film. Here the real people aren't even part-white and their race was a factor in the story. Ugh. And since when have Jim Sturgges or whatever and Kate Bosworth have bankability? When?

Tom Brazelton Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:34 PM EST

Considering that less than a tenth of the US population is Asian, it seems more of an economic decision than a racial one to cast 21 with white actors. The better question to ask is not if the movie is racist, but is the audience?

Astro Boy Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:33 PM EST

Next up for casting disappointments:

Akira, Dragon Ball Z, and Robotech!

Will the madness ever end!? =)

Jakeem Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:30 PM EST

How is this any different from Kevin Spacey's being cast in the role of a black Vietnam vet-turned-teacher in "Pay It Forward"?

jcarla Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:27 PM EST

But Charlie Chan was never played by an Asian man. It was always a white man in make-up.

Bill Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:22 PM EST

Don't forget Charlie Chan. He was the smartest guy in every movie he was in!

daisyj Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:12 PM EST

You know, it gets dismissed in the article, but I really do think that "Harold & Kumar" is a good example to hold up to disprove the "white people only want to watch white people" theory. I mean, here's a movie with no white leads (and, it should be noted, no big-name actors) that did huge business based on it being something entertaining that people wanted to see. I suspect the same could have held true for this movie, but I guess we'll never know.

To Matt Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:09 PM EST

1. Parry Shen
2. Roger Fan
3. John Cho
4. Sung Kang
5. Rick Yune
6. Wil Yun Lee
7. Dante Basco

How could they ever prove to be bankable when they are NEVER given a chance? These guys (not to mentioned many others) are excellent actors whom I've only caught in indy films. I have no doubt that they all could carry a feature film.

monica Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 03:09 PM EST

They even do that in urban dance movies. There's always a leading caucasian character--not to say that white people can't dance, but it's like their formula. 1 white person + 20 minorities + dance moves = $50 mil gross. Changing the World Trade Center character's identity is so wrong. It's a historical day. You can't fudge details like race. That's ridiculous. That would be like Clint Eastwood making The Letters from Iwo Jima with all white actors. Does that even seem slightly factual? Jesus! Thanks Sam for that Jeff Ma quote. It's cool that he isn't offended, but I still think it would be fitting if 21 didn't even gross double digits in its opening weekend just to debunk Sony's theory.
Oh and even though I'm black/latina, I would probably pick an actress who's played a character with my personality before, like Amber Tamblyn or Kristen Bell or Christina Vidal, rather than a person who looked like me. Trust me no one in Hollywood looks like me. I'm not delusional. lol

Lisa Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 02:57 PM EST

This is the same reason that I didn't go see The Departed. It was based on an excellent film that had an all-Asian cast & it was one of the BEST movies I have ever seen. Once I learned of the choice to go w/an all-white cast, I lost all interest in seeing any American adaptation.

DanOregon Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 02:53 PM EST

It's b.s. to use the box office draw argument against Asians but write off a movie starring white actors that fails as one of those things. What about Shanghai Surprise? Charlie's Angels? I was leaning against seeing this movie because it seemed to lack the grit of say, Rounders. Thanks for the wave off.

Matt Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 02:49 PM EST

Quick name 3 or 4 bankable twenty-something Asian actors.

Exactly.

tnygrl Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 02:34 PM EST

The Asian-actor community needs our own Tyler Perry...someone who will write stories that portray us as modern human beings and not exotic, foreign, East-meets-West, martial arts driven, one-dimensional characters.

escargot Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 02:24 PM EST

I've read the book and when I saw the trailer for the movie, I went back to see which character Jim Sturgess is playing. The character's description is "Dark hair, dark eyes...vaguely ethnic, but beyond that, indeterminate." I remember the outcry when Jonathan Pryce, a Brit, played a Vietnamese pimp on Broadway in Miss Saigon. I have no problem with it, although I hope that casting directors start within the ethnic group of the character, but then ultimately talent should win out. Having said that, yes, it would be great to see great acting along with the right look. I wouldn't have seen "Ali" done by anyone else.

Jelana Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 02:11 PM EST

The sorry thing is the Hollywood studios saying that a low box-office draw would be the result of minority lead actors, rather than, oh, I don't know, lame scripts, production and acting. Make a good movie, and it doesn't matter who's in it, I'll be there. Make a bad one and I'll stay away.

QueenC Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 02:02 PM EST

Wow, maybe if more cool and talented Asian-American actors were cast in movies and television shows, Jeff Ma and the rest of us would have more people to choose from to play us in our life stories.

Personally, my ethnicity is a huge part of my story, as it seems to have been in the real-life story behind this movie. I wouldn't be able to ignore that fact if I were choosing someone to play me in a movie.

Dtom Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:59 PM EST

I want John Cho to play me in the movie version of my life. He's awesome. I'm white, by the way.

Snarf Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:59 PM EST

When the guy Jim Sturgess is playing says he dosen't care what race the actor is who's portraying him you have to wonder why some people are so eager to get their panties in a knot.

The whole team wasn't Asian Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:53 PM EST

One thing that's missing in this conversation is that not all of the team members were Asian. Jeff is, but the women that the Kate Bosworth is white (see http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2008/03/26/count_her_out/). Also the man that the Miles character is based on is white. So while the discussion of if the actor who plays Jeff should have been Asian is fair, it's not fair to say the whole cast should be Asian.

Ames Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:50 PM EST

I remember when "My big fat Greek wedding" came out I read that it was such a huge success b/c so many non-WASP people could relate to it so well. I thought that may open movie execs minds to that fact that people relate to shared experiences, not skin color. But I was wrong. Movie execs don't have minds.

Ceballos Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:49 PM EST

Sam-

The problem is that Ma has a tragically limited pool of "talented and cool" Asian actors to choose from when asked who he would like to portray him.


And that gets to the heart of the issue and it's a chicken/egg thing: Hollywood has NOT taken the time and energy to establish bankable Asian-American (or just Asian) actors outside of stereotypical roles. Then again, the reason they haven't is because those types of movies haven't brough any sort of guarantee of generating bank (when it comes down to it, that's the only color studios care about). Then again, the reason they don't generate consistent bank, is because there aren't any established Asian actors in non-stereotypical roles...and around and around we go.

PoliB Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:44 PM EST

Thanks for pointing this out. I was intrigued by the story and was going to read the book first anyway, but now I'll just skip the movie. What an insult to the audience- Asian or not.

jcarla Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:36 PM EST

Third rant: 'Caucasians don't want to see minorities in lead roles'. The biggest movie star in the world is WILL SMITH!

Sam Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:34 PM EST

I interviewed Jeff Ma for my college paper. Ma is portrayed by Sturgess in "21." I asked him about the race change and he said he absolutely did not care and that he hated the negative attention the press is putting on that issue.
Ma asked every member of the press in the room who they would like to play them in a movie. The responses were pretty standard, Edward Norton and the like. Then Ma asked why we all chose who we did and most everyone said because they were talented and cool. Ma said, "Yeah, whenever people asked me who I wanted to play me in a movie, I never once said Jackie Chan or Jet Li. I always said Topher Grace or someone like that. Someone cool and talented. I don't care if they look exactly like me!"
He also said he only would have been offended if they had hired a Japanese actor, implying that the filmmakers couldn't see the difference between a Chinese man and a Japanese man.

laura Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:27 PM EST

I think it is so stupid to recast the lead as a white male...like Jim Sturgess really brings in the box office (who is he again?) I will point out, however, that the Kate Bosworth character is in fact based on a white women...a Harvard law school student though (not MIT).

Snsetblaze Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:26 PM EST

I had no idea about this. Wasn't planning to see the movie anyway - it looked BORING. But I am a Cacasian woman and would and do seek out movies with all Asian casts. I am a big foreign film fan and my favorites are from Asian countries. And not just martial arts movies - I like Bollywood stuff too. I love anything with Gong Li in it. There is definitely a market for it if it is a good film. The closest "art" theaters are an hour away from me and I have driven there for foreign films(though I may rethink that based on gas prices).

Sara Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:25 PM EST

I heard about this. I think it's pretty weak of Sony or any film company to claim that Caucasians won't want to watch a film with leads who are of a different race. As you point out, the reason they were able to get away with this ploy IRL was because they were Asian, so it's pretty integral to the story. Also, you know how you get the White American public to watch movies with minorities? You make movies with minorities! Bah.

Trish Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:22 PM EST

No surprise here. Didn't Angelina Jolie play Daniel Pearl's widow Marianne Pearl in a movie last year? Ms.(or Mrs) Pearl is part white and Afro Carribean. And she does not look in the least bit white, from her skin color to her hair, nothing about her was/is Caucasian. But Hollywood in its infinite wisdom felt that it would be better served if she was white in the movie. I remember when I saw the poster for the movie, I was so confused cause I remember seeing Ms. Pearl on TV when her husband was killed and she never looked white to me.

jcarla Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:10 PM EST

Another thing (sorry for the rant), this is from Sony. A Japanese Company! Don't you think they would proud of their Asian-American brethern and what they did?

Susie Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:05 PM EST

I was just going to go watch this!! I mean, I think I will still watch it, since my friend loves Jim Sturgess and Aaron Yoo (we're both Asian btw). Of course, I'll let her know first. Thanks for this article! I wouldve never known otherwise... And this is a realy big problem that needs to be addressed in Hollywood. I never feel like there is anyone I can truly relate to or someone that really represents our community well, which sucks. There are always Korean movies, I suppose, but the fact of the matter is that I'm not just Korean- I'm Korean-American.

jcarla Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:05 PM EST

The problem here is that Hollywood is in its own world, where the 'american public' are other studio execs or PR people talking to the same people every time (remember the ratings board, supposely a cross-section of people, is made up of white well-off grandparents). Meantime Generation X and Y is the most diverse and debating wheather a woman or a black man should be president.

Nicole Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:04 PM EST

It is the same as in the movie World Trade Center. The man who helped save the trapped officers was African American and they cast Tom Cruise's cousin. They "say" they didn't know he was Black, but knew his name and were able to account for what he did that day. Everything was researched accept is ethnicity. It never occured to the producers that someone who was not White was heroic that day. It was enough to have one Latino lead, I guess.

paige Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:03 PM EST

i had no idea- more reason not to see it. is it racist that i probably would have seen it if the leads were all asian?

sari Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:01 PM EST

Whatevs. Jim Sturgess is gorgeous.

confidential Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM EST

This is a widespread issue in Hollywood. In A Beautiful Mind, Jennifer Connolly's charactor in real life is a Hispanic immigrant. I think the general public would better receive people of color if it were done more normally and more naturally rather than sterotypically.

Vermillion Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM EST

An indie movie that was true to the actual story would have made a much more interesting film. The only "color" that Hollywood is loyal to is green. It's insulting that Asian Americans are not marketable to producer's standards, while the rest of the world can be completely fine with it. Where's the progress?

keiren63 Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM EST

There's a Canadian movie that came out a few years ago, based on a similar idea, called The Last Casino. It's a math prof who teaches three students to count cards: the good looking darkhaired guy, the beautiful, smart girl and...the brilliant Asian guy. Near the end, they use the Asian's character's ethnicity for a plot point. I thought the casting for it was better done.

Frances Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:46 PM EST

I would have never even known this had I not read your blog. Replacing the title characters takes away a major plot point of the story. In fact, it changes it all together. I wasn't planning on seeing it before, but now I definitely won't.

stephanie Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:33 PM EST

a classmate of mine wrote to sony about this and she received a generic response which included them saying that the american public would not respond to a movie with asians-- basically, that they are not a good marketing ploy. my class has agreed to boycott this as it is disparaging to an entire group of people.

Scott Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:33 PM EST

Thanks for finally pointing this out!

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