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Jonny Greenwood's intimidating 'There Will Be Blood' score

Feb 4, 2008, 04:41 PM | by Adrienne Day

Categories: Film, Music, Oscars 2008, PopWatch Confessional

Twbb1_l Jonny Greenwood's Oscar-nominated soundtrack for There Will Be Blood has received almost as much attention as the movie itself. A live performance of the score recently took place at New York City's St. Paul the Apostle Church, music critic Alex Ross wrote a feature for last week's New Yorker about the Radiohead guitarist's genius, and we've certainly gone on about it plenty here.

I have to admit: I've yet to see TWBB — and I'm a huge fan of Daniel Day-Lewis (pictured, left, with Ciaran Hinds) — and I think one of the reasons is, to be completely honest, I'm a little intimidated by the dramatic, largely atonal score. My father tortured exposed me to a fair amount of avant-garde music when I was young (hello, six hours of Olivier Messiaen at Lincoln Center!) and something about Greenwood's "Popcorn Superhet Receiver for String Orchestra," an 18-minute work for 34 strings, makes me nervous. Am I being irrational? Probably. There's a very good chance I'll see the movie and love it, music and all.

On the other side of the filmic universe, there's Titanic, which I recently saw on TV. I remember crying when I saw it in the theater, but I felt oddly unmoved the second time around — that is, until the scene where the ship's band decides to go down with the vessel, playing as water comes splashing over the gunwale (Okay, I don't know exactly what a gunwale is, but let's just say a lot of folks on that boat were wet at this point). Then "My Heart Will Go On" kicked in. And out of nowhere: waterworks (no pun intended).

What about you, PopWatchers? Are there any films you think were totally made by their soundtracks? Or has a lousy soundtrack ever ruined a film for you?

UPDATE: I meant to call Greenwood's score "Oscar-worthy." It was not nominated because it didn't qualify under Academy rules, as PopWatch noted here.


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nadia Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 02:40 PM EST

the soundtrack for this movie drove me out of my damn mind. everytime i watch this movie i go through a series of ticks. especially the first scene. omg i could have DIED.


but i'm amazed that no one has mentioned the unforgettable brokeback mountain score! ah, so classic.

Peter Lewis Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 01:05 PM EST

I find the definition of Jonny Greenwood's score for There Will be Blood as original to be a bit puzzling since a good chunk of it was the last movement of the Brahms Violin Concerto. Was this why it could not qualify for the Oscars? Nevertheless, I found the a-diatonic approach in the truly original part of the score to be very effective.

Dan Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 07:04 PM EST

yes,
I would say a soundtrack has ruined a film for me; this one.
I completely disagree with every review I have so far read on this subject. Now don't get me wrong, there were some very good ideas in the score, but I feel that they were not controlled well enough to warrant the score to be a success.
Overall, I felt that Greenwood's use of music was timid in the context of the drama; not being evident enough at some points and being used to hardly any effect in others.
Also, I think this idea being banded around that he is 'cleverly disregarding such cinematic traditions at the leitmotif' is formulating itself into an excuse for a lack of control rather than showing how he is breaking boundaries of cinema.
I am personally a lover of composers such as Webern, Berg and Penderecki, alongside such film composers as Hermann and Carter Burwell, so I am not dismissing Greenwoods score due to it's constant dissonance.
The word count stops me from explaining my point any further.

v Wed, Feb 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM EST

Soundtracks I love, love, love:
The Piano
Dances with Wolves
Top Gun
Raiders of the Lost Ark
8 1/2

newshound23 Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 05:45 PM EST

The music from GLORY. I will hear that haunting music from the Harlem Boys Choir used in different shows/ads/movies from time to time and I still get chills. Amazingly brilliant. Perfection.

Conor Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 03:29 PM EST

I have to say, it is only once in a while the music score is as powerful as the movie (most times it’s nice and forgettable) I think one of the last movies I saw and felt the score was just like one of the characters was ‘American beauty’ and now ‘there will be blood’ the music I thought was fantastic, as it was a slow very different type of movie and it help in the long (perhaps) drawn out scenes, because he was crazy under the surface, the music kind of help to add tension to a scene that didn’t have much dialog, excellent, and if the composer doesn’t get an Oscar I will eat my hat, then again Thomas Newman didn’t get an Oscar for ‘American beauty’ a crying shame!

D.R. Mosby Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 02:04 PM EST

The use of rock music in the movie Fandango (directed by Kevin Reynolds, and starring Kevin Costner) is as good as in any Wes Anderson or Martin Scorsese movie. On the flipside, I couldn't stand the "music" of The Moldy Peaches in Juno. Somebody tune that guitar, for cryin' out loud!

Carli Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 01:36 PM EST

Really like the scores from Atonement, Requiem for a Dream, The Fountain, Sunshine...and others I'm forgetting. While I like the score for There Will Be Blood, I hated it in the movie. It was too loud and I felt it took away from the movie. Half the time I was plugging my ears. Halfway through I had to take some advil. For me, the scores can make a movie and this did nothing for me. But I do listen to the songs on their own.

Colin Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 01:13 PM EST

"The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." Soundtrack makes the movie.

CMU Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM EST

How could Indiana Jones not be mentioned? John Williams' score is so iconic. Dances With Wolves has a gorgeous, lush score. Movie that's ruined by the score? Ladyhawk. Awful 80s synthesizer garbage. It's an enjoyable movie (Matthew Broderick at the beginning of his career) but I can barely stand to watch it because the score is so heinous.

Rachel K Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM EST

The soundtrack for Sunshine (which I saw this weekend) still haunts me. That scene where Kapa separates the two parts of the ship and jumps into space from one part to the other ... I don't know if I've ever seen something so stunning and hauntingly beautiful like that before. The score during that scene literally took my breath away.

Allison Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 10:55 AM EST

I think that the soundtrack - or rather, nearly complete lack thereof - from "No Country for Old Men" is what elevated the movie from a good one to a great one. The fact that most, if not all of the scenes play out without any musical accompaniment heightens the tension. You hear every sound, from footsteps to breathing to beeps (oh, those beeps), and it makes you more and more nervous. And there's no music to tell you how to feel at any given time - anything that happens comes without a musical "warning." Pretty impressive stuff, and it made for one hell of a scary movie.

Ben Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 10:28 AM EST

Oh, and the "Lord of the Rings" films. It would've been entirely different without Howard Shore's brilliant score.

Ben Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 10:25 AM EST

Atonement. If not for the score, would be a disappointing film.

Kathleen Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 08:43 AM EST

Danny Elfman's Batman score. Awesome. And Requiem for a Dream, totally. I totally enjoyed the score for TWBB, and I think it will stay on my list of favorite scores for a long time.

Tim Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 07:46 AM EST

PT has always played with music and film and provided a unique experience for the viewer. Magnolia is a perfect example of this.

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D Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 07:30 AM EST

A little mainstream, but Lord of the Rings and Last of the Mohicans do it for me every time.
Also, I agree with the Little Women score--absolutely gorgeous. And "PM's Love Theme" from Love Actually? *sigh*

dan Tue, Feb 5, 2008 at 12:55 AM EST

and i thought Atonement was going to get the most critical love this Oscar season. thank God Santaolalla isn't nominated this year, so Marianelli can win his first Oscar.

as for the question posed: i wouldn't say The Da Vinci Code was a good movie (at all), but Hans Zimmer's score was fantastic ... and completely un-Zimmery. that score and The Fountain last year were the most remarkable scores since Requiem for a Dream.

Bear Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 10:03 PM EST

A perfect example of how a score helped to make a movie is John Williams' for "Superman." (I say 'helped' because audiences seemed pretty primed to love the movie to begin with.)
I also believe that Patrick Doyle did tremendous work on the fourth Harry Potter movie that trumped Williams' music for the first three; Doyle's music made a great movie wonderful.
The score for "Troy" was perfect at the end for me, followed by an awesome end-credits song; and the ending of "First Knight" is twice as poignant with the additon of Jerry Goldsmith's absolutely gorgeous score.
Sorry, didn't mean to go on. I just love a good soundtrack.

Martha Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 08:29 PM EST

Am I imagining things or was this the subject of a P'Dub post a few months back? I guess I have to admit that I like the soundtracks for "The English Patient," "The Red Violin" and "The Village" since I own them. "Chariots of Fire" and "Dr. Zhivago" are also score highlights for me.

rb Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 08:28 PM EST

I don't like experimental and avant garde stuff either, but the There Will Be Blood entire soundtrack plays very well as a classical piece. The way PTA used it in the film is rather offbeat -- it punctuates instead of plays under a scene.

kerry Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 08:09 PM EST

the godfather
forrest gump
harry potter

Lauren Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 08:02 PM EST

The sound track to Little Women was phenomenal, so was Kill Bill Vol I/II. But the worst was for the pretty good but obscure movie Firelight. Hysterical violins and horns. Yes, the film was a melodrama but the score just over did it. By the way it is a shame that this Greenwood score isn't nominated. A shame in much the same way that Brokeback Mountain not winning Best Picture was.

maureen Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 07:51 PM EST

I've always loved Hanz Zimmer's music in both True Romance and Rain Man.

Michael Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 07:11 PM EST

Grew up on "Far and Away" - John Williams. Hans Zimmer's work on "Gladiator" has had countless imitators since. Love artist driven scores, like Aimee Mann on "Magnolia". My two favorite soundtracks of the last decade are "Talented Mr. Ripley" (a lot of which is Gabriel Yared). The score perfectly evokes the time and emotions. And though many dislike the film, check out Thomas Newman's to "Meet Joe Black". That love theme haunts me every day, I swear.

DanOregon Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 07:07 PM EST

I can actually say the score in TWBB made it very difficult for me to get into the movie. It was as distracting as someone talking on their cell phone next to me. The fact that so many people have noticed Greenwood's score tells me it took away from the film rather than added to it.

nunya Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:50 PM EST

the score from 'road to perdition' is pretty brilliant. for ppl who want a taste of the greatness of greenwood's TWBB score, YOU MUST DOWNLOAD 'FUTURE MARKETS', off of the soundtrack. trust me, it is too good!!

Stephen Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:41 PM EST

Anything with Pilip Glass gives me chills. I know some say his score distracts from the movie, but I think it enhances it. Somehow, Judi Dench was even more deliciously wicked in "Notes on a Scandal" with a flurry of cello strings.

RightNextToMars.com Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:36 PM EST

I think the music in the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory really helped make the movie. It helped keep the balance between creepy and whimsical. And you gotta love oompa-loompah dance numbers.

to Strepsi Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:26 PM EST

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DCR Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:23 PM EST

I totally agree with the post about The Truman Show, I just saw it on Showtime again a couple of days ago and it was really amazing.

TWBB's score Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:19 PM EST

Though good and the best in a long time i would not call it revolutionary. Scott Walker has been doing this type of stuff since the 60s. I just listen to his album Tilt from the 90s and it has a very similar sound to this soundtrack.

Parag Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:16 PM EST

Requiem for a Dream. By far the most haunting score I've ever heard or come across. Composed by Clint Mansell and performed by the Kronos Quartet. And so fitting for the movie...

Ames Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:15 PM EST

I think the violin from Schindler's list is the most beautiful and haunting music from a movie, ever.

I loved TWBB, and the music. Totally sucked me in. Rapt attention for 2 hours and 40 minutes. I was a little stunned it wasn't nominated for best score, but TWBB will be remembered as a classic for many years, regardless of any Oscar wins.

Sean Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:14 PM EST

The fact that the score made you nervous (or you think it will make you nervous) is exactly the point. Even when nothing is happening on screen you still feel that underlying sense of dread that finally pays off at the end. And it's all due to Jonny Greenwood's score.

Onarga Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 06:00 PM EST

He/she who hates Ligeti's music as it is prominently displayed in Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" should be barred from commenting on the power of music in film, for they haven't a clue what such a thing is or means.

Tim G. Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:42 PM EST

Someone needs a fact checker!

TWBB atrocious score WASN'T nominated because it didn't meet eligibility rules. That and it wasn't so much a score as it was background noise that proved to be an annoying distraction.

enna8 Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:37 PM EST

Completely agree with GOB. Brokeback Mountain and Pan's Labyrinth are two that I found very effective.

AA Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:33 PM EST

I loved the soundtrack to The Truman Show. Phillip Glass, I think.

Strepsi Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:33 PM EST

Thanks "to strepsi", I breathed deeply and feel better. How did I let an EW blog send me into a blind rage? I need a tall vodka and to put on the soundtrack to BARAKA.

Hunter Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:33 PM EST

I love the way PTA got famous for original present-day Altman-esque charater peices (that are contemporary classics) and is able to reinvent himself with an (loosely) adapted period pice and character study of the effects of greed. TWBB in my opinion will be remembered as a masterpiece not only for PTA'S insiring direction, but for the beautiful cinematography, DDL's powerhouse preformance, and Greenwood's revolutionary score, without which I doubt I would love the film so much.

GOB Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:30 PM EST

I think the best scores are the ones that provoke emotion without you really realizing they're there. The ones that are the worst (Eyes Wide Shut, anyone?) are intrusive and completely take you out of the movie-going experience. The music should be another element like lighting or cinematography, where it heightens the experience without calling attention to itself.

to strepsi Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:30 PM EST

Take your meds. She's asking if a soundtrack has ever made/broken a movie for you. So please take a few, deep breaths. It'll be all right.

Lauren Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:21 PM EST

Atonement
Romeo and Juliet (both Zefferelli and Luhrmann)
The Godfather
Fight Club

And if we're talking TV, the theme to Friday Night Lights (as well as much of the music used in the episodes) is fantastic.

Eric Friedmann Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:16 PM EST

I should also add Bill Conti's score for the original ROCKY and Vangelis' scores for CHARIOTS OF FIRE and BLADE RUNNER.

Strepsi Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 05:07 PM EST

Adrienne Day: Popwatch has had several posts about how the score is NOT nominated for an Oscar. You can't just go "What about you, PopWatchers?" in this case and not expect to get a slap. Take 15 minutes and READ Popwatch, Adrienne you ass-hat. Or better yet, take only 5 minutes and look up the Oscar nominees. Cute blog idea, 2 weeks too late.
Anyhoo, Soundtrack:
Trainspotting
Romeo + Juliet
Goodfellas
Score:
The Mission
Edward Scissorhands
Jaws

sarah j Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 04:59 PM EST

Shame on me...I forgot to mention Danny Elfman. His scores are amazing...

sarah j Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 04:58 PM EST

Wow, Rahul, you're right. The score for TTWB was not nominated for an Oscar (should have been). The movie was nominated for sound editing. that is ridiculous...

Eric Friedmann Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 04:58 PM EST

Just about any film soundtrack by John Williams and John Barry. The films they scored would only be half as good without their classic music!

Ceballos Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 04:56 PM EST

It's funny, I JUST finished writing a review for this movie and mentioned the soundtrack.


Personally, I thought it was great. I liked the way the (admittedly intrusive and often-jarring) music sort of contrasted with those big, serene, panoramic shots of the American landscape.


On the other hand, I can totally understand how some people hate it.


Though I didn't think it was great and I wouldn't say it was TOTALLY made by it soundtrack, i'd say the score in "Atonement" is definitely a highlight. I also can't really imagine the Kill Bills without the music that's used at the points they're used in each film.

Joan Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 04:55 PM EST

Sorry Adrienne, this was ineligible for an Oscar.

sarah j Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 04:53 PM EST

I might be dating myself, but when asked to ponder movie soundtracks, I immediately think of the 80's. You know, Top Gun and Flashdance, to name two. Try as I might to come up with a more recent example, I guess Pulp Fiction had a pretty good soundtrack. And Garden State.

Rahul Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 04:48 PM EST

The score was not nominated for an Oscar.


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