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'Idol' season 7's first semi-scandal: the semi-pros

Jan 17, 2008, 01:54 PM | by Shirley Halperin

Categories: 'American Idol', Music

Kristyleecook_l The TiVo's barely gone cold on the second episode of American Idol, and already, a scandal? OK, it's not quite on the level of Corey Clark producing Paula's receipts from Fred Segal, but for the die-hard Idolizers out there, this is legit. Should the competition be open to semi-professionals? Like contestants who've had previous major label recording deals, were managed or produced by a big-time music industry name, or have even been nominated for a Grammy? The intrepid sleuths at votefortheworst.com blew the lid off this story, listing no less than 13 alleged top 50 contestants with a not-so-amateur past. Singers like Philadelphia auditioner Kristy Lee Cook (pictured), who, back in 2001, was signed to Arista Nashville and repped by LeAnn Rimes' former manager, or Australian import Michael Johns (formerly Michael Lee), who fronted a band called The Rising and was set to release a debut on Maverick Records in 2003 (back when Madonna still ran the label). And there's another hopeful from across the pond, Irish-born Carly Hennessy, who in 1999, signed a six-album deal with MCA Records. She was the focus of a Wall Street Journal article detailing the high risk — and cost — of breaking a new pop artist. In the piece, it was estimated that the label spent around $2.2 million on Hennessy, pairing her up with proven songwriters and producers (like Gregg Alexander, who's worked extensively with Simon Fuller clients the Spice Girls) only to see her debut album sell less than 400 copies.

That's not to say that singers should only have one shot at making it, then hang up their hat if they don't, but you have to wonder: do these contestants have an unfair advantage? After all, they've been coached by the best, not just on their vocals, but on imaging, public relations, and how to win over an audience. Or are they, as votefortheworst suggested, plants? Failed artists with connections looking to get them that coveted second chance? Is it favoritism when someone like Samantha Sidley, who's appeared on stage with Katharine McPhee and attended a workshop taught by Kat's mom, Peisha, makes it through? How about Jermaine Paul, who was apparently signed to Clive Davis' J Records and appeared on a duet with Alicia Keys which was nominated for a Grammy? (Though, according to Joe's Place blog, hosted by idolforums.com [registration required], he's already dropped out of the competition.)

Now, you could make the same argument for former backup singers like Melinda Doolittle. And, in fact, Idol producer Ken Ehrlich acknowledged this when defending the Idol screening process. He told MTV News, "There are kids who are sufficiently good out there, that maybe should be stars and the fact that they've been a backing singer to someone else in the past — if they were within the age limit and they meet all the criteria that we set — then who are we to say, 'No, you can't have another go [at it]'? That's ridiculous."

But let me just say this, and then let you all continue the debate: on Fox's Next Great American Band (which, judging by the ratings, none of you was watching), two acts had previous major label deals: Sixwire, who released their debut on Warner Bros. in 2002, and the Clark Brothers, who, in their prior incarnation as the Clark Family Experience, were signed to Curb Records and worked with Tim McGraw on their first and only album (two of the three brothers had also played in Carrie Underwood's band). Guess what? Sixwire came in second, and the Clark Brothers (who happen to be awesome) won the whole shebang. Just saying...

Ultimately, who stays or goes is up to us, the voters, but what do you make of all this, PopWatchers?

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DavidArchuletafan!!! Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 04:37 PM EST

Well i don't relly think it is a scandel.... I mean if some of the other people would have went the whole mile to win another show or get a record deal it would have been dif. Oh well dAvId ArChUeLtA iS hOt!!!!!

Sharon Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 09:52 AM EST

You would think if Kristy Lee had a record deal or some coaching in the past, they would have said something to her about that crazy eye thing she does when she is singing. Every once in a while, she looks possessed for no reason. It bothers me. Aside from that, she is not unique. Recently, Nashville has been flooded with little, cute, twangy girls. I'm ready for something else.

MusicTeacher Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 03:38 AM EST

My problem with American Idol is that I want the winner to be just that, an American Idol.. a clean-cut American whom we would want our children to idolize. Not former jailbait, drug addicts or an unwed mother who can't read. I don't want my children to look at these kind or people as heroes or someone to emulate.

Whocares Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:48 PM EST

You're all acting as if any of this matters. It's a freaking TV show. Get over it.

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trevor teppen Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 04:13 AM EST

Kristy Lee has used the media like anyone else like her would. Someone that has had ample opportunities and has not been able to make it. She was very fortunate to have the training and previous record deals in the past. And to all the American Idol fans that are dissapointed by seeing another RETREAD (professional, claiming AI amatuer stardom), all we can do is pray that someone that really deserves a chance, and really is a diamond in the rough that needs a blessing or two wins. I feel sorry for sell-outs like her that will do anything for attention. Cage fighting (Gimme a break, what a joke “The cage fighting American Idol” hahahaha) Come on Grandma even you can’t think that NICE girls participate in that…..selling a horse to get there, for the SECOND time, like the paper said SECOND time a charm…..what kind of a redneck town are we portaying here? People aren’t stupid and aren’t buying it and it’s too bad she wasn’t more forthecoming and honest regarding her musical past. She seems

Mark Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 06:00 PM EST

Dan is absolutely right. If you don't like the way AI allows semi-pro's into the competition and feel angered enough to come on here an complain, don't watch it. At the end of the day, I haven't heard of these people and some of them are really good and I hope they do well. Also, I saw Kristy Lee Cook's audition without hearing any of this information and said right then that I saw her as a top 5 act, so I hope all this criticism of her being a semi-pro doesn't negatively affect her going through.

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Allison Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 07:32 AM EST

I'm all for it if it improves the standard of the acts on Idol. Who cares if they had a shot already & botched it (or got bad advice or whatever)? I just want to see people who are good, and whose albums I'm going to want to buy. (eg Daughtry, Jon Lewis, and yes, I WISH Melinda Doolittle!!)

Keith Jamison Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 02:09 PM EST

There is no way that these people who have had professional careers or who have even sang back up for other professionals should be given this opportunity as well. They do most definitely have a very unfair advantage and it does bring a certain amount of trickery to the show which takes away the charm of American Idol. I also don't believe that someone who comes from another country should be allowed to represent America as the idol. This show is quickly turning into a joke and is proving itself to be like every body has said "rigged". If you want to keep your ratings then you better heed to the viewers opinions. Reality shows are a dime a dozen and everyone is already looking for the next big thing. Like Randy Jackson says "keep it real dog".

SS all the way Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM EST

This is the stupidest non-issue I've heard in a long time. Unfair advantage? Isn't some endlessly replayed sob story about some orphaned hillbilly that cain't do nothin' but sing an unfair advantage? Votefortheworst is grasping at straws to justify its own existence.

kendra burch Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:02 PM EST

i think that this show is awsome but the judges could be a lil nicer

kendr aburch Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:02 PM EST

i think that this show is awsome but the judges could be a lil nicer

DR Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 10:33 AM EST

I'm torn on the issue. On one hand, I think we all like to live under the illusion that these kids are trying to be the next great undiscovered talent. It makes the show worth watching. On the other hand, last season was a real wake-up call for a lot of fans who were willing to sweep Star Search and whatnot under the rug (and for the record, we had a semi-pro in Season Three, Kimberly Caldwell, who appeared on the original POPSTARS, then she ends up on AI the following season). Melinda and Brandon did back up for huge names; Jordin was being pimped to win the show, etc. It seemed like every time you would turn around, there's another contestant with pro credentials (remember the British dude from the Ivy League who had a Top ten hit in Britain with Cowell's label?!?). It's just becoming so blatant the last few seasons it's hard to ignore. If they do well, great, but at least be honest and open about these nobodies with semi-pro backgrounds going for that second chance!

johnnyD Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 10:02 AM EST

Undiscovered to the American public - I think that's the key. I've never heard of these people, they're nobodies to me.
I think there's a misconception that a former deal means that they were successful. I can imagine being dropped from a label is devastating - not always based on talent, but bad management of their big chance, much of that out of their control.
I want to see great performances, not just mediocre kids with a "dream."

sarah j Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 04:50 PM EST

Dan - I wonder if you stopped watching ER at the same time I did (when Dr. Romano lost his arm)? that was the end for me...
As for AI, as long as the contestants are unknown by the general public, I don't really care what their background is. Some contestants with no experience will advance because of charm, charisma, natural ability, etc. Some with prior experience will get a second chance. Keep the contest open and let the voters decide.

kiza Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 01:11 PM EST

As long as they include unknowns in the auditioning process, I have no problem with semi professionals getting a chance. Taylor Hicks, Chris Daughtry also had their own bands along with Chris Sligh.

American Idol has the most fair auditioning process there is today when anyone who is the right age bracket can try out.


Dan Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 06:25 AM EST

Here's the great thing about Maerican Idol:

If you don't like the way it is produced, presented or performed, you can TURN IT OFF.

If you don't like the audition shows, you can wait to watch it until the Hoolywood or voting rounds start to watch it, and you don't lose any voting privliges.

If you have been watching from day one and think it has lost it, you can stop watching it, and no one will arrest you for turning your back on a show you don't think is good anymore.

I turned off ER 10 years ago after being a faithful watcher, and stopped watching Malcom in the middle around the time the baby came, its ok, you are allowed to stop watching a show you once loved if you think it is not what you want to watch. Watch something else, go to a movie, or, (this will be almost heretical) read a book.

Kelly Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 12:51 AM EST

There should be some limits on semi pros in AI. For some, like Carly and Kristi Lee, this is a second chance when they didn't succeed through the traditional methods. Even if they don't win, it's just more publicity for them.

For the record, other game shows, like Jeopardy and Millionnaire do conduct background checks on potential contestants to see if they have any personal ties and connections to any previous contestants and related activities because they feel that those people have an unfair advantage.
AI should adopt similar rules to weed out the more connected candidates.

Lori Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 08:57 PM EST

Mike Lee from the Rising is one of the most amazing singers I have ever heard. Although I am not sure about the "Mike Johns" name change, there is already the incredible aussie Daniel Johns from Silverchair. If Mike wants to change his name for a fresh start, that was a rotten choice, unless it is his real name! I love Mike Lee and the Rising would have made it big, had the label given them a chance. Check out the song "Cradle" that was let out as a single. It got tons of play in my town and them they wre dropped. He has played lots of open mike nights in Atlanta and has been MIA for years since. He deserves our votes since his talent has been wasted and he has had a great deal of heartache, until now! He also seems to be a really nice guy. Go Mike!

Dov Cohen Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 05:37 PM EST

The problem is this: The show was started in the summer of 2002 as the "search for a superstar" who might be waiting on tables or working at a burger joint who just happens to like to sing, and who had a dream on the side of making it big but never had the means or access to do so - until AI came to the rescue to give the average joe the chance to make the big time. People who want to be famous and who have formed a local band or who perform at weddings should be the greatest amount of experience a contestant should ever have had. To be in a position where millions of dollars were spent on you at some point in your life, or if you were performing for big stars on a regular basis then you have no right to be on the show. Unless AI fixes this and fixes it IMMEDIATELY then they will fall under their own weight, and the show will have died. It's a shame because I have watched faithfully EVERY episode since season 01, but now it is losing my interest.

cara Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 03:12 PM EST

Artists signed with a previous label should be exempt from american idol

james Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 01:30 PM EST

As for "American Band," the third-place finisher -- Denver and the Mile High Orchestra -- also had quite a bit of success recording in the Contemporary Christian Music genre. It does seem to me that at some point a line must be drawn, though I'm not sure where.

Shay Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 01:08 PM EST

OOOKKK.... I'd bet that all of you freaking out about the "semi-pros" are the same people who they turned away in early auditions...Think about it this way. People take lessons to sing to get better because that is there dream!! To be a singer! Those that don't take lessons don't want it as bad. In the case of Kristy lee, here is a girl i grew up with. She does not have a lot of money, but she still managed to get lessons locally and found out she was pretty dang good! She was signed, but it didn't get her anywhere! The label dropped her!!(Do some research) She is still a small town girl with a dream, What is the problem here? Seriously if American Idol was trying to hide it they didn't do a very good job, do you seriously think they didn't know you could google? Anyone can find out this stuff, it's no secret, because there is nothing to hide!!! No rules have been broken!! Get a life people!

Garry Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 06:06 PM EST

I have mixed feelings about "professionals" competing on AI--only because some of them have had so much more experience and vocal training than the true amateurs. This doesn't make for a very even playing field throughout the competition (although even "pros" like Melinda Doolittle can fall short of winning it all).

Someone like Kristy Lee Cook shows that even signing a contract with a record label doesn't insure success. I'm sure her deal went sour due mostly to how record companies do business, not necessarily because of her talent. So, if she is willing to go through the AI mill with everyone else, I'd be happy to see her week after week. She's gorgeous and has already demonstrated her singing talent. I'll be rooting for her.

DeborahB Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 03:41 PM EST

If Brittany tried out now, would she get in? Without help from electronically enhancement she has very little talent.
I wish Idol would concentrate on showing real talent instead of showing people with learning disabilities or just lack of any talent at all. We are talking about what is fair after all.

FRANces Gedney Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 03:35 PM EST

Kristi Lee tried out in SanDiego and didn't make it. She Tried again in Philadelphia. She didn' give up. It wasn't a done deal.

Ebony Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 10:15 AM EST

If you haven't heard of any of the contestants before they were on the show, then they're not celebrities or professionals! They're still amateurs! Now just because someone had a little coaching here or there, or even a contract (and remember, she still wasn't famous, doesn't mean they shouldn't have a shot. I mean, somebody's family member, friend, teacher or church choir could've given them just as useful advice as a coach and yet that wouldn't cast them into the critics eye the way Cook has been. Anyway, Idol has changed a little and I'm happy about it. I'm also happy about my new karaoke system that's let's me be a wannabe, but that's an entirely different show! If you are a fan, here's a good link to check out: www.techtogo.com

Jonathan Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM EST

What's this contest about again? American Amature Idol? Come on! The chance should be open to anyone who qualifies by the rules.

BETTY Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 08:03 PM EST

NO,NO,NO,NO,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO MUCH OF ADVANTEGE FOR THEM.I WONDER JUST HOW MANY OTHER THINGS GO ON WE THE VOTERS HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT. MY GUESS, PLENTY. MOST EVERYTHING IS RIGGED NOW DAYS.

Wannabe Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 02:54 PM EST

I tried out in Omaha. I saw too many "gimmicks" get through. There was a guy dressed in a bathrobe singing into a scrub brush! I am a good singer, not a great singer. I am not upset that I didn't get through. I am upset that someone who SUCKS gets through (ie-the girl I tried out with who sang in some foreign language, it was so bad) and someone (like this girl who sang "Take me or leave me" she was awesome) gets tossed, because they're looking for something "different and unique". Whatever, you just want good TV. While I love the last half of this show, the auditions has become less about finding real talent than it has finding crazy people who make @$$es of themselves. It's sad.
Oh, and on the subject, I think they should let the semipros in. I keep trying to talk the lead singer for one of our local bands to try out. We need more talent and less CRAP, please!!

Ann Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 02:00 PM EST

They should do whatever it takes to improve on the lackluster past winners who have not delivered with sales. It doesn't hurt to have some real singers thrown into this circus act with performers like Sanjaya Malakar. Although it would seem like people with past connections to Simon Fuller and Clive Davis may have an unfair advantage in the selection process. Maybe the producers are desperate to find some real marketable talent by any means necessary even trying to give past losers that extra boost and exposure that may make a difference in creating a real star.

Salty Oneil Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 12:50 PM EST

NO and NO again. American Idol started out loking for NEW talent and it should stay that way! Second chances are all well and good and there are resources for them but they SHOULD NOT be on American Idol. Entertainment honest and fresh is so very sparse these days so don't go changing the rules on something that works!!!!!

scottb Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 11:42 AM EST

I don't have a problem with second choices. The problem is the faux profiles: Krisy Lee is a cabin-dwellin' horse whisperer, not a former BMI artist. Brooke White is a nanny! Of twins! And they're her best friends. They left out the part that her debut album came out in '05 and she has 13,000 MySpace friends. Not exactly "undiscovered" talent.

bob Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 07:33 AM EST

Its still good tv; better than most tv crap.

R.B.Lewis Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 12:05 AM EST

what difference does it really make. either you've got the goods or not. honestly, are any of those people REALLY that talented? (including the judges)

R.B.Lewis Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 12:05 AM EST

what difference does it really make. either you've got the goods or not. honestly, are any of those people REALLY that talented? (including the judges)

vampirejew Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:24 PM EST

In the end, does it really matter? Think about this:
If someone were going for a writing competition (and lord knows we need better writers) and they had been paid for a small article in a newspaper, should that disqualify them? NO!
Some of the past contestants on American Idol have had the fortune to train. Should that disqualify them? NO! These people are NOT famous nor idols, yet, nor are they known really. Why not give them a chance too. That's IF they deserve it.
I honestly think that the people screening at auditions should STOP LETTING THE CRAP THROUGH TO AUDITION. That just isn't fair to all those who are decent who never get a chance to try out. How fair is that?

Joe Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 06:57 PM EST

Once a person has attended classes on how to become a professional singer you can't take back that knowledge from them. They have a definate unfair advantage over the other contestants who have not had such traning. They shouldn't be allowed to compete with those who were not given the same level of skills training.

steve Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 06:28 PM EST

who cares!

tom grattan Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 04:56 PM EST

What's next.. ? Make the NFL only sign walk-ons, prohobit minor league ball players from a chance at the majors ?? Only problem with Idol is the time spent showing idiots who want get on TV by making fools of themselves. I tune in to watch talent. I'll wait until the garbage "audition" shows are over.

john de mai Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 03:40 PM EST

I think America Idol will have its last season, the same old, old program, I will not spend any more time watching it and I beleive there are many people that are going to do the same. By the way, where are the last 2 seasons contestant winner?? anywhere??
jd

john de mai Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 03:39 PM EST

I think America Idol will have its last season, the same old, old program, I will not spend any more time watching it and I beleive there are many people that are going to do the same. By the way, where are the last 2 seasons contestant winner?? anywhere??
jd

david Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:02 AM EST

AMERICAN IDOL IS BEGINNINGTO LOOSE ITS VALUE . BORING PROGRAM!!

Bruce Williams Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 03:46 AM EST

Kristy Lee is indeed from Selma Oregon, she did spend a few years in Texas trying to get her career going. I know where she lives (lucky me) and I do know she sold her horse to get to Philly, she also stayed in the lines the first few days like everyone else. She is simply a neat gal who has a dream like everyone else. I have watched her since high school, she has paid the price, those who just throw out acqusitions should do research first. She is a sincere gal who I remember delivering gifts on her horse to the less fortunate in Selma when she received a check from singing. I also remember her giog thru a dairy queen on her horse. What a dork. But she deserves it all. she is real America Wish more were like her Good Luck Kristy

milliemay Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 11:51 PM EST

Why should'nt they get another chance? Just because they tried & failed the 1st time, does'nt mean that they should not be allowed to try again. That would'nt be fair to them. Sometimes U just have to try again & again just to get @ what You're attempting to get at. Did that make sense?

Sue Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 11:07 PM EST

A really important point was made in the comments about kristy lee cook. and this is it in a nut shell. If she has had all the professional management and all the attention in a professional setting, years of voice lessons and exposure, then if her videos are still making her look like an amatuer well,.... there you have it . Talent that is real talent only gets better not worse, never stays the same but improves with time and american idol should be the best of the real novice. Time will tell as talent will get better with time and professional education. The next americal idol will only inspire. like Ms Underwood . Now thats talent . All viewers could see her talent getting better over the short time just being on the show, not like ms Cook who is still appearing to be an amatuer, Sill an amatuer after years of professional help and training. Do you think she will improve in a few short weeks you have already seen her best.

Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 07:57 PM EST

Who cares? The show is junk.

Scheid Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 07:06 PM EST

Get a life, People!!

robert Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 06:54 PM EST

I want talent. Who cares if someone else gave them a chance before? They obviously didn't make it big time. That's why they're here. What's wrong wit them trying again? The show's title isn't American Amateur Idol.

Lisa Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 05:47 PM EST

So, the "plants" compete?? Only ONE person wins. Do we really want the girl who flipped off everyone and grabbed her a** to go to Hollywood & get her big chance?? Folks, the bottom line is....it's TV....and like I am already teaching my FOUR year old...TV is all pretend and people playing dress up!!

jPeggy Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 04:28 PM EST

I have mixed emotions on this issue. On one hand, I feel that some have a somewhat unfair advantage, having worked in the field on a professional leve. On the other hand, these people have a right to try again. I think a truly gifted singer, is going to win out, regardless of their past.

Brian from Ogdensburg NY Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 04:13 PM EST

They better Keep it fair because my son will be winning next year.

RC Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 03:09 PM EST

So what if Melinda Dolitte sang back up for someone? I highly doubt many people knew of her. Besides she had her good and bad performances. IMO several past winners have dropped from the radar. Singing in a high school choir or a church choir shouldn't disqualify anyone-they were part of a group and you get voice training in high school choirs. Heck I live in the same area as Chris Daughtry and I never heard of him or Kellie Pickler who isn't that far away. They're pursuing their dream, and are hardly pros. I'd never heard of Melinda Doolittle either and I doubt many people had. Having Taylor Hicks win was a joke and cost AI some credibility. He's more suited to be a lounge singer or cruise ship singer, and acted like a circus side show. He isn't even on the radar anymore, he wasn't that good. The voting process and phone lines problems need to be fixed and sites vote for the worst are wasting time on no talents by keeping them on. They need to stop slam voters and redials.

Michelle Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:43 PM EST

I don't care if they have had past experience or not. There is probably tons of talented people in the world that just haven't been given a fair shot for whatever reason. Ultimately America will vote as to who gets through and who doesn't -- so who cares!

June Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:33 PM EST

"What was heartily great about this show was the unknown becoming famous overnight. The unknown, who had never gone through this before, who's first times in a recording studio or behind the camera WE shared."

That is not why I watch the show. I don't care if someone has been in a studio before. I prefer to see talent. Besides, what do I know about Carly Henessey anyway. I have never heard of her before. That makes her an unknown to me.

Owen Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 01:29 PM EST

I'm sure you all know that there are tons of auditoners who are heading to Hollywood that already had majoryet failed deals. Its now coming out that a lot of them had associations with Simons Fuller and Cowell and 19Entertainment. These are PLANTS who bypassed the stadium auditions and were sent right to the judges. Is that what we want? Is that why we vote? What was heartily great about this show was the unknown becoming famous overnight. The unknown, who had never gone through this before, who's first times in a recording studio or behind the camera WE shared. As if it might be happening to us as well. These plants aren't why we watch American Idol. Vote NO to each one of these when they come up. Keep Idol pure. (or as pure as it possibly can be).

Easy In Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 01:09 PM EST

I think most of you would agree with the fact that its not about whether they are semi pros or not, its the idea of them getting special treatment and going right in to see the judges without having gone thru the 2 horrible rounds before hand where most people get cut and the weirdos get thru just for "good tv". I auditioned in Philly and let me tell you, I DOUBT very much that Kristy was even there those first few days when you have to sing in front of a bored producer in a stadium full of people screaming (that's round 1 people!) As good as she is, I doubt they would have even HEARD her above all the noise! Its the SPECIAL treatment that gets to me. If we find out that these people all went thru the audition process fair and square I would be more then happy to give them a chance.

jason Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:39 PM EST

to kay : i don't find the show boring at all. that's just me. i've seen kelly on tour and every time i do i remember the show. kelly clarkson is one of my favorite artists and i may have never known her without the show. jennifer hudson in "dreamgirls" was the role of a lifetime. she may have got the role anyway, but the show helped her exposure. THAT is why i love the show, it gives the everyday people a shot where they wouldn't normally have one. more power to idol, i'll continue watching

lewis walburn Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM EST

I,m sure some of the ones trying out are there just to fill in the show ,--NO TALLENT ALL ALL ,JUST WASTING OUR TIME WATCHING

Stacey Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM EST

I could care less if the contestants have past experience. I watch the show for talent. So what if someone has had a shot at a record deal before, had a vocal coach or been into a bit of acting. Do we want people who have no talent whatsoever? I sure don't. I say this is much ado about nothing.

Sharyn Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 11:09 AM EST

The plain simple fact is that AI already knows what they want, and by the time the show airs, they have a good idea of who they want to win. I've had experience with the show and auditions, and like most things in life, you're taking a big chance on making it with AI. But, if you want it, take your shot. You have nothing to lose. No matter who you are ... go for it!

Kay Bell Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM EST

I just don't get it . . the whole American Idol thing. How BORING to sit and watch people sing to 3 other people for a whole hour (or like the season premier - for 2 hours) American TV audiences need to get something more going in their lives! The popularity of this show BAFFLES me.

Willyer Hero Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:34 AM EST

Kristy Lee Cook has a music video up on YouTube called "Devoted". It's pretty amateur, but she's smokin'.

Come on! Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM EST

I don't mind the fact that these kids had a shot at it once and failed. What I have a problem with is the fact that the producers are now trying to "package" them up as regular average joes with no experience who just happen to be amazing. Take that kristy lee girl for example: On the show she was portraid as a young down home girl from oregon who plays with horses all day, when in reality she actually lives in Nashville where she had been signed to a deal in the past. I just don't like the way that their trying to "make" them into "undiscovered talent" when they're just not.

bigge Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:22 AM EST

better the pros get their then the want to be thats wasting our time

Eddie C Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:18 AM EST

It amazes me that anybody cares about this. WHY DO YOU CARE???????????????

Andrea Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:27 AM EST

Come on, give these kids a break. They deserve a shot too, who cares if they had prior record deals / were backup singers, etc? They aren't famous, are they?

Once you start imposing restrictions like that it'd rapidly get out of control. (Would you disqualify someone who sang in their church choir every week? Why not? They'd probably have more training than your average farmer!)

Record deal or not, if the contestant meets the age limit, let them sing. I watch Idol to hear great singers, I don't care if they're "semi-pro" or not. Let's find something else to harp about, please...

Trina Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:29 AM EST

I am honestly amazed that there are people who haven't figured out there are plants in American Idol? They interview and audition all who appear before the so called judges panel in advance they know who is good who isn't and many especially this season have admitted to their connections to other stars family or professional. I personally find this year very disturbing due to the abuse of some of the contestants who do seem to have a lower mental compass than others.
The stuggling mother of a hanicapped child the Virgins? The boy with the dad whose keeps his heart on a chain and he keeps the key to the country boy with the tractor all hype to gain public support but over the line with Tempest the 16 yrs old who has a mother dying from obesity over the line I don't care how kind and caring they tried to appear at the end I found myself crying thinking how this poor child was just used by a station to sell a show honestly thinking time to find something new to watch the fix is in

Dduellman Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 06:25 AM EST

"I agree with Karen. Semi-Pros should NOT be allowed to compete." How do you define a semi-pro? To be a great performer it takes more then God given talent. I takes hard work over many years. Let's compare this to professional athletes. It's only after years of training that they're ready for the big time. Singing is no different. Kristy has spent time paying her dues.I welcome any artist who has the drive to pick oneself up after a failure and begin again.

Jean Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 04:53 AM EST

I agree with Karen. Semi-Pros should NOT be allowed to compete.

Lucy Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:11 AM EST

I don't think it matters. As other people have said, it's not 'Amateur Idol'. In Canada, two members of well known Canadian boy bands (one of 'the Moffats' and either McMaster or James from 'McMaster and James' turned up. The former didn't crack the top ten, but the latter did and was actually pretty good as far as singers on 'Canadian Idol' go. The reason people fail in the music industry isn't necessarily because they aren't good singers. Why not get another kick at the can.

Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 01:49 AM EST

I really have stopped watching "American Idol" at the beginning of each season when they travel from city to city to conduct audtions. They know before hand who is talented and who is not. I can't waste my time making fun of those mentally ill individuals. It's a total waste of time. Simon, WAKE-UP AND STOP WASTING TV VEIWERS PRECIOUS TIME!

Create value

Alex Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 01:00 AM EST

Duh! The recording industry is taking it in the backside due to private labels. The industry put together AI to display their product then ask the public for their opinion. Their risks are all but completely eliminated. Exposer on a television show that generates more money than can be counted is all the industry needs to reduce risk and save hundreds of millions of dollars. Very simple and very smart. Business is business and so is the recoding industry.

keith Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:44 AM EST

The show sucks. Get a life you losers.

KAREN Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 11:57 PM EST

I GUESS I WAS STUPID IN THINKING I WAS WATCHING FRESH NEW KIDS WITH POTENTIAL....NOT!!!! ANYONE WITH A PREVIOUS RECORD DEAL OR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE SHOULD "NOT" BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THE CONTEST. DONT THINK I WILL BE WATCHING THE SHOW ANYMORE, NOT UNTIL THEY CHANGE SOME RULES. WHAT CHANCE DOES A KID FROM SMALLTOWN USA HAVE AGAINST SOMEONE THAT ALREADY KNOWS THE ROPES. NOT FAIR AT ALL.

Steve Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 11:07 PM EST

Ironically the criticism from the press here in the UK of our equivalent Simon Cowell produced show, the X-Factor, tends to be of the variety that the contestants are bypassing all the hard work other artists put in and are thus completely manufactured and artistically merit free.

Of course many of the contestants, like in Idol, do have varying degrees of experience but this seems to be airbrushed from history to fit the programme's "rags to riches" story and the media commentators' lazy criticisms.

Virginia Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:52 PM EST

Saying you should have no previous contracts, etc. is like saying someone can't be the president because he was the mayor.

Virginia Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:52 PM EST

Saying you should have no previous contracts, etc. is like saying someone can't be the president because he was the mayor.

JB Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 10:17 PM EST

The Top 24 is selected in December. Its all ready done.

justin Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:46 PM EST

It should be noted that Elliott Yamin did very little singing in public and even recording studios before finally trying out for Idol. Thank god for E!

justin Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:44 PM EST

The Lion King singer is Lisa Tucker. She wasn't on Broadway, It was in L.A. I remember her segment said she was 1 to watch according to a showbiz rag. Maybe Variety.
Her audition is memorably professional but when I hear her previous work, it's honestly painful. Hopefully, her voice has matured. Carrie, on the other hand, did many singing competitions at fairs and even car shows, I've heard. She never won one prior to Idol. She has said that she lost to girls that forgot the words. Check wikipedia and it should state the fact that she was signed to a big label as a young teen around the time LeAnn Rimes made her debut and all those labels were looking for the next big little country girl like Tanya Tucker in her youth

steve thompson Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:43 PM EST

If previous experienceshould disqualify a contestant then why let them try again next year ?
If you sing in the shower should that be held against you ?
May the best man or in this case young lady win .

Christina Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:22 PM EST

There actually is a top 50. That's the amount they have left at the end of Hollywood week and the current amount of contestants who are still in the running. The top 24 aren't being selected until next week. It's a well known fact that this is the cutdown process they have used for the past two seasons

justin Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:19 PM EST

It should be noted that the last 2 winners, Jordin Sparks and Taylor Hicks, both had independent CDs prior to Idol. Does that count as having a professional advantage?

Brentwood Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:17 PM EST

So it's a crime now when somebody attended a workshop taught by Peisha McPhee? Here's something else that should be enough to get her executed: She actually took singing lessons!! From Peisha McPhee!!!!! OMGZ! Isn't this getting a little ridiculous, folks? Samantha Sidley and Katharine McPhee both took lessons from Katharine's mother at the same time. As a matter of fact, they worked up a corny act called the YaYa Sisters and performed it onstage. So freaking what. I can understand why some people would be upset if someone was nominated for a Grammy or had been signed by a major label, but I guarantee you that practically every AI finalist took voice lessons at some point in their lives.

myr Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:07 PM EST

No.People that already have experience on recording should not be accepted.Too bad if they didn't success in their recording.It is not fair to those other contestant that do not have any experience in any recording.

lola Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:57 PM EST

This is ridiculous; I don't think this is a scandal at all. Just silliness.

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KarenCentralCA Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:56 PM EST

As a faithful watcher of A.I.
I agree with the others that say even if a contestant had a chance with a label or whatever and it didnt work out for them, why not give them another chance like A.I. as long as they are not in a current contract at the time of their audition. Also, I have to add...Kristy Lee is amazing! What a voice she has. Wow!

JB Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:45 PM EST

Shirley, you might want to check your facts before you right a story. There is not a "Top 50" on AI. There never has been a "Top 50". There is a "Top 24". Nice research!!!! You should learn how to use reliable sources instead of the garbage that you used for this story.

JB Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:37 PM EST

This just nitpicking. Nothing was said about Taylor Hicks having albums out before he was on Idol. If you get all in a huff about it turn the damn station.

JB Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:37 PM EST

This just nitpicking. Nothing was said about Taylor Hicks having albums out before he was on Idol. If you get all in a huff about it turn the damn station.

MISH Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:30 PM EST

It seems like this is coming from someone who didn't get on the show because someone else was more talented. In this world, you have to use all your resources available to achieve your dream. The best singer should get the fame and the record deal regardless of their past experience. Otherwise, it would NOT be fair. If anyone out there thinks they're rules are better, go for it! Create your own show. But everyone's right about one thing: they should be forthcoming and not try to hide anything because it will come out eventually and will be harder to deal with if someone else does the talking.

Christina Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:11 PM EST

I don't care if some of these contestants have had previous record deals because I've never heard of any of these people before. If they're unknowns to the public and aren't currently under contracts then I think its fair game. The goal of this show is to create stars who can sell records. They want to find the best unknowns no matter what their past is. The only problem that might arise with this is if someone who has had public success auditions in hopes of reviving their career. This has happened twice in Canada and didn't seem right but it turned out neither of the contestants was very good and got beat by the amateurs easily

Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 07:49 PM EST

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Harry Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 07:45 PM EST

I don't care. That Kristy Lee is one fine looking girl. She alone would get me to watch this season.

David Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 07:34 PM EST

Stephanie said: "I think that now is the time for the producers to decide if a rule should be placed that if you are on the indie circut (Kady Malloy), were on the indie circut (Taylor Hicks, Constantine), were picked up by a label (Carly Hennesey, Kristy Lee Cook), have connections (Paris, Fantasia (her cousins are KC and Jo Jo))or were a back up singer for a famous vocalist(Melinda),you can not audition because it would be an unfair advantage."

Stephanie, they already decided this a long time:

http://www.americanidol.com/faqs/

Q: I've noticed that several contestants have professional music experience, including TV appearances and on Broadway, I thought you were only looking for amateur performers?

A: In order to be eligible, the contestants are not permitted to have any CURRENT recording or talent management agreements.

ronald Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 07:25 PM EST

Once they have performed as a professional and are admitted as part of the contestants, the show no longer is of interest to me. Like many of my friends, we feel it no longer has the intrigue.

TheJakes Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 06:50 PM EST

Kristy Lee was signed several years ago by Britney's management people.

http://www.kristylee.net/kristy.htm

They tried to hype her name by having Britney see her at some Dallas club but I guess nothing ever came out of that connection. Maybe she will have better luck through AI.

Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 06:43 PM EST

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yWYxlrqB00

Bob Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 06:31 PM EST

WHAT A WASTE OF TV BANDWIDTH

Rx Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 06:31 PM EST

I agree with everyone who said that it's Fox's dishonesty that rankles more than anything else. There's nothing wrong with an experienced artist getting a shot at becoming a famous artist but don't try to sell me some lame story about being an Oregon rancher who had to sell your horse to get to the casting call when you in fact live and work as a performer somewhere else entirely. At least on Nashville Star, they were honest about their contestant's bona fides.

Rx Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 06:30 PM EST

I agree with everyone who said that it's Fox's dishonesty that rankles more than anything else. There's nothing wrong with an experienced artist getting a shot at becoming a famous artist but don't try to sell me some lame story about being an Oregon rancher who had to sell your horse to get to the casting call when you in fact live and work as a performer somewhere else entirely. At least on Nashville Star, they were honest about their contestant's bona fides.

winnerspotter Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:51 PM EST

This is a no-brainer. I'm with all those who say, simply, if the American public is for the most part unaware of the existence of the artist, why shouldn't they have another go at it? Think of all the shattered dreams they've already suffered from. Isn't that enough dues to pay to get on, for heaven's sake? And I also say ditto to those who mentioned how this could raise the bar and quality of the show.

MJA Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:50 PM EST

Kelly Clarkson had a record deal and when she couldn't make it in CA, she went and tried out for AI. So to say, this is a new trend is wrong. I don't see a problem with it. It's not as if these are established well known singers.

bluegreen Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:38 PM EST

It's a non-issue for me. Anyone familiar with the industry, or anyone who knows a struggling artist, is aware that "just missing" is part of the life. Why should some young artist be penalized for having some deal that fell through or some other opportunity that went nowhere? I say, "Let 'em in."

MC Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:30 PM EST

I really don't think AI is the "easy way" to make it. With hollywood week and all the live shows, these kids put in a lot of work. A lot of currently successful musicians probably wouldn't have made it through. I say let anyone who can sing give it a try.

drock Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:24 PM EST

I personally think a competition between 12 AMAZING singers would make for an incredible, suspenseful, exciting season!

Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:49 PM EST

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uaToKv8yUg

DanOregon Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:37 PM EST

The show is designed to launch singers and sell records period. Hell, I'm surprised record companies haven't thrown some acts they were considering signing on the show to see how people respond. The show is merely a focus group for selling records. That several singers were more attractive as TV "characters" than music artists is evident in their one and done record contracts.

Ep Sato Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:31 PM EST

I think the trend sucks. Idol gave no name people with no experience a chance at fame and glory.

All these losers who've been chosen after failed professional careers, grammy nominations and the like have ALREADY had their chance at 15 minutes of fame. Idol's about giving new people a chance, not about extending the careers of has beens (except on celebrity nights).

Kari Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:18 PM EST

Do I like professional singers comprtiting on AI? No, I don't, but it looks like this trend will continue. Just be honest about it. I am sick of the background stories that are not true. Making someone out to be what they are not tastes bitter in my nouth.

Gwen Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:16 PM EST

I don't really care who wins this - professional or not - as long as he/she deserves. I already detest the Irish girl just because of the pre-season pimping.

Rose Tyler Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:12 PM EST

For the record I did watch Great American Band, I thought it was lame, but I too love The Clark Brothers. I don't care if these people, on either show, have recording experience. As long as they are not getting some sort of special treatment I'm cool with it. If ya ask me, bring on more semi-pros and less "idiots just trying to get on tv".

realgenius Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:02 PM EST

While I was bothered by the Sixwire/Clark Brothers thing on The Next Great American Band, it was still a far superior show to Idol, and wish Fox wouldn't have dumped it in the Friday night timeslot of death! I hope it gets another chance.

tia Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 04:02 PM EST

Last time I checked it wasn't Amateur American Idol. As long as they are not currently under contract, I say let them try out.

Dtom Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:45 PM EST

This show is called 'American Idol,' not 'Rags to Riches Idol.' Who cares if this is really a performer's 'second chance'? The show is about making someone an american pop star (the success rate is another debate altogether). If a performer is currently not a star, they should be eligible to audition.

David Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:34 PM EST

Congrats to EW and VFTW -- you guys are only about three years late on this story.

E! News already uncovered this in Season 4:

http://www.eonline.com/news/archive/article/index.jsp?uuid=8480d2e5-3128-4776-ba1c-197664feb92e

"Two are former Star Search contestants. One supposedly got her big break on a TV show called Your Big Break. Another is the son of a baseball Hall of Famer.

The last 24 American Idol singers standing may not be famous, but several aren't exactly anonymous, either."

This season is no different than any of the other recent ones, the only difference might be that someone researched the Top 50 instead of the Top 24

T-Rex Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:28 PM EST

Well this post really goes hand-in-hand with yesterdays post about the starmaking power of american idol. While I personally don't like to see plants, I do think they are inevitable. I don't think there's any way AI can possibly screen out all plants during the auditions. So if they've shown them making it to hollywood, continuity probably dictates that they be in hollywood. There should be enough time during hollywood week to investigate their backgrounds and weed them out before the finals. All that said, yesterday's post more or less prooves the point that AI is not a sure thing. First, if anything many of these "artists" will lose credibility for appearing on AI. Second, they are more likely to be voted off once the truth comes out. No one likes a cheater. Third, what makes them think AI can launch their careers if all of the reported coaching, contracts and advantages didn't help?

Kathleen Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:25 PM EST

PS made a good point. I think as long as everyone goes into an audition where the judges know nothing but their talent at THAT moment, who cares?
And for the record - I watched "Band." Friggin' loved the Clark Bros, and hope to see more of Tres Bien mighty soon. :)

Andie Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:21 PM EST

I have no problem with it. Whether they've had a record deal or not, chances are I've never heard of them, so discovering them on Idol is fine with me. And not that this is the same thing, but established comedians are on Last Comic Standing all the time...I mean people who have been around for decades. If someone wants a shot, I say let them have it. If they're not good enough, they won't make it through.

Stella Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:21 PM EST

The point of the show is to find talent that is new or has been missed and overlooked. If they fit the age limit and they don't have a record deal or professional management at the time, then they're eligible. There have been plenty of people on the show who tour clubs with a band or sing in shows. One year they had as a finalist a young Broadway singer who'd starred in the Lion King. Why is that okay but having a record deal that failed is not? Especially as only a tiny percentage of these people will have a music career after this show, no matter how well they do.

katie g Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:13 PM EST

a couple years ago, on canadian idol, there was a singer who not only had a record deal, but was in a mediocre selling/flash in the pan success.
he was one of the 'moffats', a band of brothers playing instruments and being slightly too young for real girl-mania.
anyways, he didn't even get to the final 12 or whatever.

all that to say
semi professionals or not...maybe it doesn't make a difference.

BostonAZ Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:55 PM EST

For me, Idol used to be about giving amateur talent a chance to be seen. It has morphed into a showcase for second-tier professional performers. That makes it less interesting for me.

PS Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:53 PM EST

As someone else said, Kelly Clarkson has a prior deal that had expired.
One question I would ask is if these people are given special treatment in the pre-screening process. Meaning, do they show up in the arena like everyone else, or are they brought in specially to see Simon, Paula, and Randy? And/or are SP&R also made aware of their prior credentials and producer's desire to be pushed? If all of this is done fairly, they shouldn't be punished for prior failures.


Tyler D Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:50 PM EST

Wow! Kristy Lee Cook is gorgeous enough for me to consider watching this show.

Sally in Chicago Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:44 PM EST

I don't have a problem with second chances. The problem I have is that their agents & managers are prepping them for Idol in hopes of giving them a second chance. Daughtry was in the same boat, kicking around bars and such but he didn't have an agent that told him to go audition for a "last chance."
A lot of the Idols who are finalists don't have agents before they audition, they go solo. Also, I wonder if these pros stand in line like everybody else and brave the elements or do they just walk up and knock on the door. That would be unfair.
We'll see how the public accepts them. But honestly, if someone couldn't make it after a $2mil promo push, then maybe they're not worthy.

Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:30 PM EST

honestly, so what if the girls already made a record? nobody bought it, they arent famous. give them a freakin break. maybe they just were not ready for stardom when they got their recording contracts, but would be more ready now.

Stephanie T. Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:23 PM EST

I think that now is the time for the producers to decide if a rule should be placed that if you are on the indie circut (Kady Malloy), were on the indie circut (Taylor Hicks, Constantine), were picked up by a label (Carly Hennesey, Kristy Lee Cook), have connections (Paris, Fantasia (her cousins are KC and Jo Jo))or were a back up singer for a famous vocalist(Melinda),you can not audition because it would be an unfair advantage.

Stacey Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:08 PM EST

It's a catch 22. I wasn't a fan of Melinda because she seemed too professional. Yet, I do like Kristy Lee so far. But didn't Kelly Clarkson have some kind of deal prior to American Idol. And Carrie wasn't some farm girl with NO experience on the stage. So I think while it's good the idea of giving the newcomers a chance at the spotlight. I also think, as long as they are under the age limit. And have no record deal at the time. They should be able to compete. I actually think Kristy Lee sounded still amaturish enough unlike Melinda who seemed so professional. But then I admit at being biased. But I can understand the question it arises and whether it's fair.

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