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(Early) Snap Judgment: Wu Tang Clan's '8 Diagrams'

Nov 29, 2007, 08:45 AM | by Mike Bruno

Categories: Advance Advancement, Hip-Hop/Rap, Music

Rza_l On Dec. 11, almost 15 years after they introduced themselves with a little hip-hop record called Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), Staten Island's favorite kung-fu-obsessed rap crew is set to drop its fifth studio record (8 Diagrams)and apparently, Shaolin is burning.

First there was the issue of Ghostface's record coming out the same day as the new Wu joint, prompting group beatsmith the RZA (pictured) to insist they push 8 Diagrams back a week. Then Ghost and Raekwon started beefing publicly about RZA owing them money. And now, Rae and Ghost are saying the new album was rushed and that it lacks the gritty, minimalist beats that made them famous in the first place. (The RZA, for his part, says everything is just fine.)

So, is 8 Diagrams really garbage or has Ghostface's recent success and acclaim simply gone to his head? Well Popwatchers, I've heard the record, and as much as it pains me to say, the Wu definitely seem a little off their game on this one. Assuming I've heard the final track order, it starts off with a couple of vintage Wu Bangers, and some of the rhymes (especially those from U-God) are pretty tight. But things trail off quickly and get marred by vapid guest appearances (Red Hot Chili Peppers' guitarist John Frusciante playing on a weak track sampling the Beatles "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"; a pointless vocal sample from George Clinton) and a failure to tie together RZA's cold, urban beats into fleshed-out compositions. There are flashes of greatness, but 8 Diagrams is too inconsistent and sounds like a group of guys that would rather be doing something else. Given how many successful solo careers the collective has already launched, and the fact that Wu Tang co-founder Old Dirty Bastard is now deceased, I can't help but wonder if this will be their last group effort. But maybe that's just me. What do you think, Popwatchers? Is the Wu finally through, or does the Tang still rock this thang?

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dave-o Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 03:34 PM EST

after this bad review the only advice i can give is that you should "protect ya neck"

Mike Oz Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 03:06 PM EST

To me, Meth sounds like he at least cares. One of the problems with the album is that a lot of them seem to be sleepwalking through. Obviously they weren't a cohesive unit going in or coming out of this. RZA is off doing his thing. Ghost & Rae are elsewhere. U-God and the rest are happy to have something to do. Meth sounded pretty good on everything. Yeah, he's not a show-stealer like Ghost, but he brings it.

Besides, after seeing them at Rock the Bells this year, everybody seemed to be totally out of it EXCEPT Meth.

Vlad_Ree Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 03:00 PM EST

Poster giving props to Meth is dead wrong. I ain't heard nothing hot from him on the new tracks. Ghost is slammin' though. Like always is.

Mike Oz Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 02:13 PM EST

"Does the Tang will rock this thang?" Geez, Ghost would smack fire out ya ass for that.

While I'll agree that the album is a bit inconsistent, it's not a horrible album. And of all the emcees to shout-out for a job well done on here, you pick U-God?

Meth is the MVP on the album to me ... But Ghost's verse on "Take it Back" might be the hardest on the album.

Phil Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 02:10 PM EST

When Wu Tang dropped with "Method Man" I was 14 years old, and I was a young guy being exposed to hip-hop since I lived in Philly. I think the Wu are past their prime, and its a ahsme, I still LOVE hip-hop, but in this specific case, I think the "any news is good news" just ain't the case. I haven't heard one actual track I've liked, promoting the new porject, just how the Rza managed to get Dhani Harrison on the "My Guitar Gently Weeps" track that was NOT sampled from the master recording, after saying that it was. I think they were reaching EVEN then, and I think this release is going to not only come and go, but fail to make any kind of splash in the market. Sorry guys, but I have a feeling the Wu movement died with Ol Dirty. After thier first album, the Wu didn't get much radio airplay, and in today's world, if your single ain't on the radio, lets face it, the album might open big, but is quickly going to die off the charts after the hardcore fans snatch em up.

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