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The Experts Corner: How real is 'Big Love' season 2?

Aug 20, 2007, 06:35 PM | by Pop Watch

Categories: Television, The Experts Corner

Big_l With the second season of Big Love (pictured, with Jeanne Tripplehorn, left; and Chloe Sevigny) coming to an end, we thought it was a good time to check in with one of the country's foremost polygamy experts: Salt Lake Tribune reporter Brooke Adams. The plural life is Adams' beat: She's the one covering the trial of Warren Jeffs, interviewing Big Love-like families all over Utah and the border states and constantly updating the paper's polygamy blog. Not surprisingly, she sees a lot of correlations between the plots on Big Love and real-life news stories, so we chatted about some of those last week via IM. —Shirley Halperin

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Are there any perks, for lack of a better word, to being first wife? It seems like a lot of this season has been focused on Barb's inner struggle with the life she's chosen while at the same time trying to assert herself and her position in this three-wife system. From the women you've interviewed, have you noticed this sort of first-wife issue? 
BROOKE ADAMS: First of all, the plural wives I've spoken with say there is no such thing as a "first wife." They say that for any wife to hold more power than the others makes the whole thing unworkable. The best explanation I've heard is that the wives have to view themselves as equals who are interested in the good of the group and want the same thing for the other wives that they want for themselves. That, at least, is the ideal.

Is the point of living ''the principle'' to take on as many wives as possible (and, in turn, to have as many kids as possible), or is there usually a cap? Roman has something like 27 wives — is that out of the ordinary? Is Bill's situation more common?
Bill's situation is far more common. There are a few men who have many, many wives — I call them mega-families — but it is far more common for a plural family to consist of a man and two or three women, with about 20 to 30 children. I've been told that some of these men with really big families organize outings with their children by age range. All the 10-year-olds get together and go do something with dad, for instance. Warren Jeffs is said to have a huge number of wives, too, as did his father. But in the Jeffs' case, many of those are wives only in the caretaker sense, not in real, procreative marriages.

Just how prevalent is polygamy in suburban Salt Lake City, anyway?
There may be as many as 10,000 plural families in the Salt Lake Valley... Some live like the Henricksons, some share one house, many live in separate houses that are in the same area, if not on the same street. There are about 37,000 fundamentalist Mormons in the Intermountain West, most of whom are in Utah. About half that number, which includes men, women, and children, live in plural families. The rest believe in it as a religious tenet but, for one reason or another, aren't practicing it. The largest number are independents (about 15,000) who don't affiliate with any group or leader. They would be like Bill Henrickson and his family. There are about four to six formal groups, with the largest being the Apostolic United Brethren (7,500) in the Salt Lake Valley. The FLDS would be next in size, followed by the 1,500 members of the Davis County Cooperative Society.

How is Juniper Creek similar to real polygamist towns?   
The only thing close to Juniper Creek is Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona, the two adjoining towns that are home base to the FLDS church. The abject poverty shown in Juniper Creek is not accurate, but many homes in the two communities are only partially finished, particularly on the outside. That is because residents don't have mortgages — because the land is held in the United Effort Plan (UEP) Trust and not individually owned — so they build as they can afford to. But also, taxes are lower on a home that is still under construction. That said, there are many really nice, finished homes in the community. The scale is really different though — huge kitchens, sometimes several kitchens and room to seat 20 or 30 people, for instance. There is a Juniper Street in town, by the way, and the old name for the two towns was Short Creek.

Would the UEB — like the UEP — be a multi-million dollar operation?
The real United Effort Plan Trust is a communal property trust set up by the FLDS church but it is not a business trust. It is worth about $110 million and is currently under state control [see Warren Jeffs trial for more on this]. One group, the Davis County Coop, does operate a very successful business trust valued at $150 million or so. They own a coal mine, vending machine companies, a restaurant supply company, and, as in Big Love, gaming machines. One episode of the show showed Roman Grant looking over a list of companies that were paying tithes into the UEB; many companies listed were similar to those held by the Davis County Coop. Many fundamentalist Mormons have very successful businesses and most of their customers have no idea about their private lives. But that is one reason they guard their family lives so vigorously: The men in particular fear loss of jobs and livelihood if their beliefs are exposed.

Alby and that strange ritual with the hat, when he proclaimed himself to be the new prophet: What was that about?
Much of what the show depicts draws on real events and this was one of them. Joseph Smith, founder of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, used a "seer stone" to help him translate the golden plates inscribed with what became The Book of Mormon. I also believe he at times peered into his hat while offering translation to a scribe. ''Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine....'' This is from the writings of David Whitmer, who witnessed some of Smith's work. So Alby was using a stone and peering into his hat to get revelations about his position in his father's church.

And Adaleen, Alby's mother, yelled out that she had also received testimony. Is this based in real Mormon ritual?
I think that reference is related to Warren Jeffs' takeover of the FLDS church. According to people who were there, one of his wives and a brother seconded his ascension to the presidency after his father Rulon's death.

What other correlations to Warren Jeffs have you seen in the show this season?
Well, of course, the background TV broadcasts about the hunt for a fugitive prophet called Oren Abbot is directly based on Warren Jeffs. There has been a reference to the ''Polygamy Primer,'' a real document crafted by the Utah Attorney General's Office to explain fundamentalist groups, their beliefs, etc. One early scene showed women in Juniper Creek washing an airplane; the FLDS members who formerly ran the Colorado City Unified School District, a public school system, got a bunch of flak that led to their removal for buying a plane to help ease traveling to Phoenix for meetings.

What about Bill's business with Weber Gaming? Several commenters on our TV Watch were wondering where the casino was — on the border with Nevada? Is all gambling illegal in Utah?
There is no gambling in Utah. There were a few bingo parlors, but I think recent legislation made them verboten, too. So, any depiction of gambling is fiction. I don't know where they meant that parlor to be. It struck me as a clandestine operation, perhaps.

How about the kids? Are there a lot of instances of teen runaways from polygamist families? The teens  on the show — from Ben to Rhonda to Sarah — really seem to be struggling with their parents' chosen lifestyle.
The FLDS have had a number of teens leave their community. They have been referred to collectively as the ''Lost Boys.'' And they are mostly boys, though a few girls have left, too. The other groups don't have any more problem with teen runaways than the average monogamous family. Only a fraction of children raised in a plural family go on to adopt that lifestyle as adults. I recently did a story about a plural family and the husband was the only one of 18 children to become a polygamist. His three wives said only a handful of their siblings adopted the lifestyle as adults, too. I think that is typical. It can be difficult for children in plural families because they can't be open about the ''three moms'' at home with everyone they meet. Rhonda is loosely based at this point on the story of the two "Fawns" — two teens who left the FLDS community a few years ago and said they were worried about being married off to older men. One of the girls said her father had written her name in the "Joy Book," which Rhonda mentioned on a recent episode and Roman showed Joey once. I don't think the real book looks anything like what Roman used. The two Fawns made many appearances on television talk shows, just like Rhonda appears to be doing now.

Who are the renegade Greens based on?
The Greens are based on the Ervil LeBaron story, a fundamentalist who set up the Church of the Lamb of God. Ervil LeBaron tried to get Rulon Allred, then leader of the Apostolic United Brethren, to recognize his authority and when Allred ignored him, sent two women to kill him. Rulon Allred was shot to death at his medical office in 1977 by two women wearing blond wigs. The women and Ervil were eventually convicted of Allred's death. Other LeBarons set up the Church of the First Born and many of them still live in various locales in Mexico.

What do the polygamists you've interviewed think of the show?
The fundamentalist Mormons I've spoken to have mixed feelings about it. As might be expected, given their conservative leanings, they are very uncomfortable with the sex scenes. Many don't like the way Bill Henrickson is portrayed, saying he is shown as too overwhelmed. Other aspects of the show ring true for them, particularly in showing the relationships between the women.

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karen schmitt Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 02:17 PM EST

When will the 08 season of Big Love be aired?

Suggestion Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:06 AM EST

Let's try this again.

To Krakauer Fan,

I never said anything about the intention of Krakauer's book. I simply said that the book dealt with the violent history of mormonism, which is clearly stated in the title: "Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith." I dare say you read too much into my post.

Suggestion Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:04 AM EST

To Krakauer Fan,

I never said anything about the intention of Krakauer's book. I simply Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith (Paperback)

Kim Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 11:48 PM EST

I Love the show... I find the idea of "communal living" very interesting... but I have to say that I think it's incredibly selfish for anyone in this day and age to have ten or so children... let alone one man who has huge numbers of children... Is there no understanding among these people of global impact? It's not something the planet can support. If everyone decided to have this many children the effect on our environment would be devastating... It's just so egocentric and why wouldn't the women want "extra" sexual partners, or lovers, or power? It is historically such a common desire... to create a balance of power... between men and women... why must we always look backward to male figures hundreds or thousands of years old for our wisdom... I mean to appreciate and incorporate their thoughts is one thing but to base an entire system of living on outmoded thinking is irrational.

melissa Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 03:48 PM EST

I think that the show is starting to feel contrived. The Barb character is too much of a martyr. In reality, a woman who is that smart, with a well off family, and who is a stunner, would have left. She has alternatives. The other ladies do not, or do not realize that they do. Bill is pretty selfish and Barb is smart enough to know that. Also, I personally think that life is kind of boring for those ladies, trapped and sharing a Viagra man? Sexual boredom will cause the youngest one to stray. Nikki's unhappiness and inability to even consider being a full woman with her own agenda and needs is expressed as anxiety and her gambling addiction. (a little pop psychology).

Sarah Mays Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 04:41 PM EST

The casino they referred to was in Wendover. Wendover is a real place, with real casinos, at the Utah and Nevada state lines - in Nevada of course.

KrakauerFan Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 06:09 AM EST

To Suggestion:

Krakauer's book is a fascinating read, however, I think you misunderstood the purpose of the book.

Krakauer wrote the book in response to 9/11, trying to explore how fundamentalism in religion often results in violence. He makes quite clear that one can find fundamentalist sects of ANY religion, and that he is merely using Mormon fundamentalists as an example.

The book does give some interesting history on Mormonism, including the integral part which Mormons played in settling the western part of the US.

The book is not 'about the violent history of Mormons'. It's about how fundamentalism often begets violence. It raises interesting and thoughtful questions about how we define religion, fundamentalism, and beliefs.

If what you took from this book was 'a violent histroy of Mormons', you need to re-read it.

Regina Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 07:52 PM EST

It's interesting to me to read about how the children 'feel'. One post talks about how great it was to be loved by multiple moms...or was it a mom talking about loving other children in the marriage besides her own?...I don't remember..
But what struck me was remembering how grateful I was to my ex-husband's new wife for loving our son so much....I was never a huggy/touchy mom...Patti, on the other hand, is...and it was the perfect balance that my son needed when he was younger....
We certainly weren't 'sister wives'...but we both parented my son and it was a very, very good thing.....

Morbot Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 01:27 PM EST

In case anyone is interested: The casino was in Wendover, NV, a town on I-80 where it crosses into Nevada. It's a common destination for those who need to escape Utahn stricture but can't make the six hour trip to Las Vegas.

To Titos Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 12:43 PM EST

Is what Nikki meant about the principle being around for 3,000 years (longer, actually) is that some of the greatest men in the Bible lived plural marriage- Abraham, his grandson Jacob( who fathered the 12 tribes of Isreal), Moses, most likely Job, David, Solomon,& those are just a few whose family situations are mentioned. As a matter of fact, the reason Joseph Smith ended up re-introducing it was because he asked Heavenly Father, (paraphrased)"how do you justify your servants(in the Bible) having more than one wife?" The answer he got was pretty much, "since you asked, this is why...and I want you to obey this principle as well". If you're really curious as to the details, read d&c 132. On a personal note, I might add that part of the very foundation of this belief is take such men as those mentioned who are really sincere about following God, since they are few & far between, & provide several women with the chance to have a spiritually outstanding husband, if they so choose.

Titos Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 10:20 AM EST

I've read a great deal about the LDS church, but something in the last Big Love episode has me stumped - Nicky said to Bill that the Principle had been around for 3,000 years. What the heck did she mean. I assumed the Principle was a teaching of Joseph Smith.

Go Shawshank Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 12:18 AM EST

To Melis - I have read up on the Book of Mormon, D&C and Pearl of Great Price. And I'm sorry - But Shawshank is right it's the LDS church that strayed from the fundamentals - and furthermore, I remember a time when the LDS church was very clear that they didn't want to be called "Mormons". It's interesting how as soon as someone else laid claim to the term, the LDS church immediately tried to use their power (at least locally here in UTAH) to reclaim Mormon as their own and insist that the word cannot be used by anyone else.
Kind of reminds me of Christians claiming that you can't be a Mormon and Christian at the same time. Funny how we seem to get so caught up on something so unimportant as someone else's opinion.
But back to the original subject - I really enjoyed reading the interview with Brooke Adams, and found most of the responses to be right on point. I found it to be very informative - and appreciate the effort that goes into undoing prejudice.

Mother to another brother( and sister) Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 01:16 AM EST

To Kelsey- You said you wonder how the kids in families like mine( I am a plural wife) interact with the other wives of their father. I can tell you I really love all 'our' kids. We don't share a house, but we spend alot of time together. My kids adore their brothers & sisters, & ask them to come over several times a week to play, or for game night, a movie, a sleepover, etc. I enjoy having them over & make a point to spend time with each of them. I want them to know I love them. I sometimes wish, because of all the prejudice against us(usually for no other REAL reason than because people don't UNDERSTAND our beliefs or choices), that other people could see our darling, happy children growing up safe & secure in loving families, being taught good values. I'm certain that the kids in my family will grow up to feel that having another mom to hug, love & value them is a blessing in their lives, whether they choose this religion for themselves or not. My goal is to help build them up.

Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:18 PM EST

To those wondering what the relationship is like between a polygamist father and his children, this is what MINE is like. My dad is a wonderful person. I love very much. He has always been a fun dad, and I definitely have a real relationship with him. Since I got married and moved away, I don't see him as much as I would like to, but I continue to be very close to him; to both of my parents, for that matter. They are smart, kind, loving, generous, human beings. I will always adore them. Anyway, since many comments are about the men, I will be specific. My DAD has always been a big part of my life. He has helped me with homework(my siblings & I have done both homeschool & public school, depending on whether or not my mom, who IS qualified, had time to teach us at home), taught me how to play tennis, taken me out for ice cream, etc. Pretty normal stuff. I know alot of other polygamists like him, too. Many of us who grew up in polygamist families love, respect and enjoy our parents.

jay c Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 03:45 PM EST

I should also mention that none of the polygamous families I have met are Mormons of any stripe.

jay c Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 03:44 PM EST

Children in most of the polygamous families I have met are homeschooled, but some go to public school, and some to private schools. The number of children vary from zero to fifteen, but obviously can be higher. The relationships within the family are as varied as the relationships within any association of people. Sometimes the wives all get along great, sometimes not. Sometimes there's a family business; sometimes several adults work at regular jobs. Rarely, there is a senior wife.

Sara Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 03:40 PM EST

I appreciate the thoughtful nature of most of the comments, but my first reaction to the article is also to note that FLDS is very different from LDS, and many people around the world will be judged on stereotypes that are unfortunately left uncorrected. When polygamy was practiced among Mormons, it was practiced with much reluctance by a very small percentage of the church. Most Mormons that I know want nothing to do with the practice--and feel very strongly about that. To judge so many people based on stereotypes and inaccurate information is tragic no matter what group we are talking about. Besides, there is so much to Mormonism besides polygamy that it is rather frustrating to have that be the subject that is so often harped on--it pales in significance to the real Christian message of the faith.

Ben Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 02:10 PM EST

Wow. Interesting posts all. I know little of Mormons despite living about 100 feet from one of the churches. I watch the show, but I know better than to accept that all it has said about Mormons and polygamists is necessarily true in every way. Great article.

Suggestion Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 01:09 PM EST

Everyone should read John Krakauer's brilliant book about the violent history of Mormonism, "Under the Banner of Heaven." It's terrific and very illuminating.

Can't Get Along Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 12:52 PM EST

Reading the posts on here, I think the main thing to keep in mind is that there are always fractions of every religious group that should not reflect on the majority. Should all Catholic priests be judged on the actions of those that have been "misguided"? (I am heading the "keep it clean" rule) Should all Christians be judged on those attacking women at abortion clinics and killing doctors? Religious belief leads those, some might say weak-minded, to extreme measures to prove their faith and "right" way of life. Just because you believe does not mean that it is always right. Religion, to some, is like the telephone game played in camp circles. It often gets so distorted that in the end you aren't even close to the original belief that was set in motion. Things change, strong people change those things...it's all human nature. I think the main point is...don't judge an entire group on the actions of a few, no matter what they call themselves.

Practicing Mormon Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM EST

Ryan E is right, the 12 Appotles taught that polygamy should be abolished.

Ryan E Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:10 AM EST

Shawshank I am sorry to be the one to tell you that Joseph Smith taught that the body of the LDS Church should follow the council of the Twelve Apostles and if they did they would not be led astray this was a standing commandment, and he never taught that polygamy would be practiced by the Church forever, the FLDS did not follow the Council of the Twelve Apostles so the broke of from the Church, learn your history before you make accusations please.

Cami Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:01 AM EST

Anyone can name their religion whatever they want, it is just important to realize that FLDS or fundamentalist mormons practice polygamy and LDS or mainstream mormons do not.

kevin kraut Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:50 PM EST

It is interesting to see the different perspectives on what is going on in the mormon world I am the son of a famous independant fundamentalist Ogden Kraut. My mother left my father when I was about 13. I was seminary president, an eagle scout(4 palms) served a very honorable 18 month mission and extended it for 6 months because I loved the gospel. the only one in my group who did. Then at 25 I met with my dad and asked him all about the deep questions of our religion and pretty much believed him. And I live in utah valley and when I was in the mainstream church in work things were all great then when I was'nt things went very tough feel sorry for the guys comment about not taking care of their kids (if you e-mail me I'll tell you some things)well having seen things literally from both sides of the fence you people have no Idea the real complexitys of our religion.

ADDictedtopopculture Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:50 PM EST

To S. Halperin and EW~~

Thank you for providing a realistic backdrop to the fictional Big Love. Your interview and research enhances the realism of the show and demonstrates that pop culture journalists do more than just report on TV...they provide context and allow others to gain insight on diverse cultural practices that are foreign to us, yet, as Big Love demonstrates, also very similar to the lives we lead.

UofM Religion Department Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:00 PM EST

To Shawshank- it sounds like you simply have a bone to pick with the LDS church. If so, get it out, don't use thinly veiled insults to a religion of honest, hard working people.
I study religion for a living and have always been fascinated by the LDS church. Joseph Smith and the LDS church implemented polygamy out of need, not out of the desire to have more than one wife.
If you read up on the history of that church, there were always a group of blind, bigoted hateful people that were killing the men. This prompted the need to support the women in the church. At the time that the practice was ended, they had already been in Utah for a few decades and were no longer threatened by the closed minded people of the midwest, therefore it was brought to an end.
Just because some people (even inside the church) had the feeling that it was necessary to end polygamy due to pressure from the federal government, that does not make it true.
Please get all the facts before making posts.

Daddy Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 05:10 PM EST

I suppose my earlier satirical comment of wanting to make a harem of women pregnant and then not support them or the children was too over the top, or too close to the truth, for some. Anyway, my comment is gone. But for another look at polygamy, let's look at EW's new Book Review on the topic: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20052712,00.html
Sorry if my earlier post offended anyone, but it was done tongue-in-cheek.

shawshank Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 05:00 PM EST

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be antagonistic or start a religion throw-down, but...
"If you're going to break away from a church due to conlict of interest, call yourself something else."
So...why DON'T you call yourself something else? The current LDS church is the one that broke away from the founding tenets. Why choose to continue calling yourselves Mormons and identifying yourself with Smith and Young?

Melis Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 04:35 PM EST

To Shawshank - Although I DO appreciate the fact that you've taken the time to learn a bit about our church's history, I must add this - not everything you read is accurate. Until you've read the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine Covenants, you will not be fully read on our history. Mostly my earlier point was that it drives me crazy that so many people are so quick to assume that mainstream Mormons and Fundamentalist Mormons are even somewhat related in their practices - just because both have the word Mormon in their title. If you're going to break away from a church due to conlict of interest, call yourself something else.

Go Shawkshank! Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 04:11 PM EST

Well said, Shawshank!

shawshank Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 04:01 PM EST

Melis, your logic is ignorant at best, misleading at worst. "Fundamental" is defined as "of or relating the foundation or base". Therefore, a Fundamental Mormon has every right to call themselves such since plural marriage was a teaching at the founding of Mormonism, taught by Joseph Smith Jr. and upheld by Brigham Young. It wasn't until the 1890 Manifesto that this church teaching was altered (because the government was seizing church property). So they are following the set of beliefs (however misguided) that were established at the founding. Your analogy can't transfer to Catholics or any group of Christians, because the founder of THOSE religions was against adultery from the beginning. It sounds like you need to study up on your church history.

But... Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 03:51 PM EST

Melis and To Melis: Polygamists call themselves "Fundamentalist Mormons" because Joseph Smith established polygamy as a founding tenet of the religion. Mainstream Mormons only nixed polygamy so they could be accepted into society.

To Melis Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 03:16 PM EST

I second your entire post, Melis. I, too, am a Mormon, and I take issue with the term "Fundamentalist Mormon" for the exact same reason. Mormons aren't polygamists, period. People who practice polygamy shouldn't take the name "Mormon" upon themselves in any way, shape, or form.

Jean Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 02:04 PM EST

As an outsider, I'm not famililar with most of these practices. In particular, I'm curious as to whether, in real life, children of polygamist homes can or want to go to public school, or whether they have to be "home schooled" in order to avoid too many questions and conflicting values. If home schooled, do they experience limitations on what future careers they might hold - and is education a reason why so many of these children, in real life, go AWOL from "the principle"?

Kelsey Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 12:09 PM EST

Thanks for the insightful interview. I don't agree with their way of life but find it fascinating how families try to live in an unfair situation. (One man, many wives, lots of children.) I would be curious how these children view their relationship with their father. Do they feel like they have one? How did the other wives fit into their lives? It would be an intersting study.

Melis Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:50 AM EST

Being a Mormon myself - I feel I should add to this post. I get so frustrated with the fact that all these polygamists call themself "Fundamentalist Mormons." Polygamy in the real Mormon church would be cause for immediate excommunication in the church. (AKA they would no longer be members.) It would be like a bunch of Catholics deciding that adultery should be practiced in the Catholic relgion - then calling themselves "Fundementalist Catholics." Please don't assume that these people represent the actual Mormon religion - they are just practicing a self-serving way of life.

Hutchy Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 09:04 AM EST

I've never understood the people who watch this show yet hate everyone on it and everything about it. Every week, you get at least 3 wackjob posters in the forums on here ranting about how Bill is scum, Margene is dumb, Nikki is a fundamentalist wackjob, Barb should leave, etc etc. I'm not saying any of that isn't true, but if you hate everyone oon the show so much, why do you watch it?

abp Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 07:40 AM EST

This is really interesting -- thanks for posting this!

mollyfurie Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 08:36 PM EST

Can the lost boys really considered "runaways?" It seems most of them were just dumped by their families. Any society that keeps women in harems is likely to have a surplus of males. In china and the Ottoman empire, they were made into eunuchs, but so far, at least, the FLDS has not chosen to exercise that option.

Speaking as one who has watched Big Love from an outsider's point of view, at our house we are always rooting for the youngest wife, especially, to leave.

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