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Why I'm really pissed at Rosie for fleeing 'The View'

May 29, 2007, 08:38 PM | by Whitney Pastorek

Categories: Television, The View

View_l Of course, the one week I take vacation, all hell breaks loose on The View. Rosie vs. Elisabeth! Left vs. right! Young vs. old! Fat lesbians vs. pretty Christians! Could there be a battle that better sums up where we're at as a culture? While the subject has admittedly been talked to death already, I decided to check in on the sinking ship this morning and use it as an excuse to get some stuff off my chest. What I found was a pretty stinkin' dull hour about dog weddings and Jimmy Fallon's blandly peacenik iTunes track, with the most heated conversation involving whether or not it was morally wrong of the women to show a photo of an intoxicated Lindsay Lohan that appeared on the covers of today's tabloids. (I loved Barbara Walters' obvious confusion and remorse about what the paparazzi were doing to Linds, demonstrated by her shaky-yet-iron grip on the copy of the New York Post she was holding up at the time.)

So anyway, if you're interested, my musings on what Ro's departure means for the state of political dialogue in this country can be found after the jump. If you're not, just skip ahead to the comments and discuss what's creepier: Talking about porn with Baba Wawa, or guest host Whoopi Goldberg hijacking a discussion of porn by explaining that she watches it so she can learn about the infantilization of women via body waxing?

Okay, here's the deal: I've been watching The View for 10 years now with as much regularity as I can muster for any morning show (with the exception of The Price is Right), and I've always enjoyed the banter around the table. Being a terrible egomaniac, I've also always envisioned what I'd do if I was given a chair. (Not that I ever would be, as "chunky blond left-wing Texan tomboy" is not a minority slot that needs filling.) Then Rosie showed up, and did... exactly what I would have. She was unrelenting, simultaneously bullying and fun, crabby and warm, brilliant with a tendency to gnaw on her own foot. She shared my point of view, and pushed the envelope of what one can say on a middlebrow show that caters to middlebrow women living in the middle of a country whose political middle sometimes has been besieged by shouting yahoos on both ends of the spectrum. Even more amazing: She fit right in. Rosie's commentary, while intelligent and stubborn and just a little yahoo-ish, was more often than not greeted by applause from the studio audience. The ratings went up. To my knowledge, the show lost no advertisers. And instead of sticking to the niche shows that we know we already agree with (The Daily Show, The O'Reilly Factor, what have you), finally we could all tune in to something that was guaranteed to present a challenging perspective, every single day, no matter what side we were on.

It was a profound shift that I don't think anyone expected. Here was this dippy little kaffeeklatsch, suddenly transformed into a place to hear real, current, vivid political discussions — on the war, the administration, global warming, whatevs — in which all personalities were represented. You know what it's like when you talk politics with your friends and family? This was that! Rosie was the left-wing skeptic who occasionally veered off into conspiracy theories. Hasselbeck proclaimed her conservative faith while occasionally sounding hopelessly naive. Joy Behar tried to keep it light, but occasionally found a strong voice beyond her wisecracks. Walters, the reporter/mom, struggled to stay unbiased and occasionally scolded. The string of sorry little guest hosts du jour usually tried to crawl under the table, strangers at the world's most awkward Thanksgiving. No matter your political leanings, there was always someone to root for.

I guess it was hopelessly naive of me to expect the fun could last. But what gets me is how it ended. Not, as many expected, with the interference of paranoid ABC execs or the public psychological dismembering of Hasselbeck — who has grown so much over the last year I daresay her newfound cojones may be O'Donnell's biggest legacy — but with Rosie picking up her Koosh ball and going home. And that, Pop Watchers, is incredibly disappointing.

Because Rosie, let's face it, did make a very divisive statement, one of countless divisive statements she's made in her career. Yet for whatever reason, this time she seemed shocked by the consequences. Dude, you cannot say that if 655,000 Iraqis have died since the U.S. invasion, then "who are the terrorists?", and not expect a certain segment of the population to put their screaming hats on. If you're going to make comments like that — and I'm thrilled she did, I'm thrilled to have that perspective out there, I'm thrilled to have something real to think about, instead of stupid, sad, slumped-over Lindsay Lohan again and again and again — you have to be prepared for the people in the screaming hats, and you have to absorb it, and you have to press on. You cannot act like a wounded teenager. To paraphrase Hasselbeck, this is not some Donald Trump spat we are talking about. This is real. But for all the societal good she did in her almost-year on The View, and for all the good she's done before — and I'm sure will continue to do after — this flare-up, Rosie backed down from that reality. She didn't explain her perspective, she didn't continue the dialogue, she just got tired, and she left.

So since I know she putters about the Internets from time to time, this is my plea to Rosie to reconsider this whole thing. (Barbara feels the same way.) Look, Ro, I know you're frustrated, and I can hardly imagine how taxing it has to be to go through life with so much negativity pointed at you and your family, day in and day out. (Hell, I get depressed every time someone accuses me of being a sucky Lost recapper; I don't know what I'd do if there were entire multimedia empires calling for my head.) But to walk away from this now means the shouters — the people who hear a dissenting opinion and counter it with cries of "SHUT UP FAT LESBIAN" — have triumphed. It's a victory for everyone on the extremes of both ends, the ones who believe that there can't be a civilized dialogue in this countrycertainly not one between a bunch of women, my God — and all that matters is who yells louder. Maybe you got scared, Rosie, because you saw yourself on a split-screen and realized you were in danger of becoming part of the problem — but if you have the self-awareness to realize that, then I guarantee you are already 99 percent ahead of the game.

And let's not forget the people who lose, yet again, are the people in the middle: anyone who, for not quite a year, could turn on the TV and find a tiny group of the most unexpected people having a chat about the crummy situations in the world today... and imagine themselves, no matter what they believe, sitting at the table, participating in the discussion. Maybe I'm giving this show way more credit than it deserves, but there was something utopian about it, don't you think? In their silly, sunny, occasionally under-informed but always well-meaning way, the ladies of The View co-opted the frustratingly stagnant us-against-them political mindset of this country and made it waver, just a little. You could almost feel things start to change for the better, become more inclusive... couldn't you?

Argh. I'm afraid this is becoming tiresome. I've really got to start a newsletter or something. Anyway. Use the comments to tell me the following: Do you think The View has the potential to carry on in the same vein sans Rosie? Can Joy Behar hold her own on the left or will she go back to delivering Catskills comedy gold? Are you like me in strangely respecting Hasselbeck's newfound strength? Is there a show out there that I don't know about that has the same egalitarian vibe? And if you got a chair at that table, what would you use it to say?

lilkunta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:16 PM EST

Rosie O'Donnel is CORRECT.
***655,000 Iraqis have died since the U.S. invasion, WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS?***

The US is just as much a terrorist as Osama, Saddam, & others.

Denise Mon, Jun 4, 2007 at 10:32 PM EST

Yes. Please start a newsletter. Please make me your very first subscriber. I became a fan of your writing during Sundance and this entry nails it for me.

Make me number 1-san.

lorraine Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 06:15 PM EST

I will not watch the View without Rosie as she sure made it a lot of fun and gave you something to think about, Eliz is a Airhead, Rosie tried to be nice to her but Eliz ranted on about things she does not understand and I think Rosie did not want anyone to say she was trying to harm the New Baby Eliz is expecting -- all Eliz had to say is Rosie I know you are not a terrorist - you want the war to stop and no more killing would that of been too hard, quess so as she just could not let Bush down and admit for one minute the war and the reason we are in Irag is all wrong, forget about the praise she gets from the Republicans it is phoney

lorraine Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 06:14 PM EST

I will not watch the View without Rosie as she sure made it a lot of fun and gave you something to think about, Eliz is a Airhead, Rosie tried to be nice to her but Eliz ranted on about things she does not understand and I think Rosie did not want anyone to say she was trying to harm the New Baby Eliz is expecting -- all Eliz had to say is Rosie I know you are not a terrorist - you want the war to stop and no more killing would that of been too hard, quess so as she just could not let Bush down and admit for one minute the war and the reason we are in Irag is all wrong, forget about the praise she gets from the Republicans it is phoney

lorraine Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 06:14 PM EST

I will not watch the View without Rosie as she sure made it a lot of fun and gave you something to think about, Eliz is a Airhead, Rosie tried to be nice to her but Eliz ranted on about things she does not understand and I think Rosie did not want anyone to say she was trying to harm the New Baby Eliz is expecting -- all Eliz had to say is Rosie I know you are not a terrorist - you want the war to stop and no more killing would that of been too hard, quess so as she just could not let Bush down and admit for one minute the war and the reason we are in Irag is all wrong, forget about the praise she gets from the Republicans it is phoney

lorraine Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 06:14 PM EST

I will not watch the View without Rosie as she sure made it a lot of fun and gave you something to think about, Eliz is a Airhead, Rosie tried to be nice to her but Eliz ranted on about things she does not understand and I think Rosie did not want anyone to say she was trying to harm the New Baby Eliz is expecting -- all Eliz had to say is Rosie I know you are not a terrorist - you want the war to stop and no more killing would that of been too hard, quess so as she just could not let Bush down and admit for one minute the war and the reason we are in Irag is all wrong, forget about the praise she gets from the Republicans it is phoney

lorraine Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 06:14 PM EST

I will not watch the View without Rosie as she sure made it a lot of fun and gave you something to think about, Eliz is a Airhead, Rosie tried to be nice to her but Eliz ranted on about things she does not understand and I think Rosie did not want anyone to say she was trying to harm the New Baby Eliz is expecting -- all Eliz had to say is Rosie I know you are not a terrorist - you want the war to stop and no more killing would that of been too hard, quess so as she just could not let Bush down and admit for one minute the war and the reason we are in Irag is all wrong, forget about the praise she gets from the Republicans it is phoney

Gig Fri, Jun 1, 2007 at 11:56 PM EST

The View has been boring this week without Rosie. I'm definitely not going to tivo it anymore. I love Joy but as for Elisabeth I can do without. How anyone can still support this president when there is no just cause for the Iraq war is just crazy! Even if you are Republican you don't have to support this administration and the terror that they are causing.

margalit Fri, Jun 1, 2007 at 05:46 PM EST

Great post. You said exactly what I'm feeling, sad that Rosie left so abruptly, nauseated by how ho-hum the show is without her, and hopeful that Babs can find another voice similar to Rosies. I think Rosie added a desperately needed voice to the discussions about the war, especially since the media refuses to own up to the disaster that is Bush and the Iraq war. And what Rosie said about "who ar the terrorists?"... that was gold. Absolute gold.

I hate Elizabeth Hasselback. She's stupid inane harpy and I wish she would become a full time mommy to little Grace and the future Faith, Hope or Charity.

M Fri, Jun 1, 2007 at 02:15 PM EST

Rosie (and you, Whitney, since you mention it) are paid to air your opinions publicly, and with that comes the duty to accept the dissent you may receive without acting like crybabies. I do happen to think your Lost recaps suck, but then you were paid to write them and ought to stand behind them without boo-hooing that a reader doesn't like you. Same goes for Rosie.

gloria Thu, May 31, 2007 at 02:53 PM EST

Personally I will miss Rosie!! I agree with your comments on the show 100%. I will still watch ,but not everyday like when Rosie came on. Elizabeth seems to live in a dream world and does not seem to have a realistic view of the world we live in and what this administration has done to our country and its people. She reminds me of that old saying "there are none so blind as those who cannot see what is going on around them" I feel Rosie has a clear vision of the shape our country is in and how we are failing our citizens on many fronts. Remember, just because you don't agree with our governments policies doesn't mean you don't love our country.

Trish Thu, May 31, 2007 at 01:05 PM EST

You're giving this show way more credit than it deserves.

Natalie Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:39 AM EST

Well said Whitney! Your comments are spot on...

annie Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:11 AM EST

personally i'm more of a elizabeth-favorer, but that was a really interesting post whitney! the view, once rosie joined, had people expressing ALL viewpoints, and mostly letting each be heard.

but my main reason for writing is to say to you, whitney, that i LOVED your lost recaps!! i miss being called your bunny!!!!!

H Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:57 AM EST

What upsets me about this situation is that no one is holding Elizabeth accountable. She is niave and, at least it appears to me, less intelligent and somehow because she's "pretty" and seemed nice on Survivor, she gets to stay on the show. She's the one I'd LOVE to see replaced.

Kerry Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:10 PM EST

Great column, Whitney. I can't say I saw Rosie on the View more than twice, but the shows I saw were definitely more interesting than the usual morning crap.

colleen Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:07 PM EST

Thank Goodness Rosie was around and talking the last year on The View. I think she has started a lot of important and necessary watercooler / dinner time chats. Her views are generally right on with mine and in no way does she not support our troops. To even think something like that is ridiculous. Elisabeth Hassleback is so naive and programmed. I cannot believe she believes what she says... I really don't. The facts about Bush and this administration are so obvious. He is a greedy war monger. That's it nothing else.

I have also watched the View for the last several years and I really don't know if I can stomach it anymore. This last fight was personal b/w Rosie and Elisabeth and it was painful to watch Rosie hurt. Elisabeth is a moron and I am currently holding a grudge against her... no matter what her 'view' is. If they don't replace Rosie with someone that is similar to her, I will not tune in anymore. Joy needs to be more vocal now more than ever.
Peace Out!

Matt Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:18 PM EST

Get Roseanne. She's loud and opinionated, and she and EH will really go at it.

Maggs Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:05 PM EST

Whitney u wrote this article as if you were in my head. I agree with everything you said. Im sad to see Rosie go, especially the way it happened. I almost never agreed with Elizabeth but i was glad she was there to share her views. I think Rosie made Elizabeth and Joy more bold and smarter. Sadly when i watched this week it was back to Lindsay Lohan and dog weddings...bye bye daytime tv, I'll miss you!

drea Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:50 PM EST

I think that Rosie, for the most part just likes to hear herself talk. I am glad that she brought things to light on the View that usually would not be discussed. Yet, she was more of a bully than a political force that she seemed to believe she was. She was like a teenager that always had to be right and always had to have the last word. There is no middle ground for her, and that was her downfall.

The View sux now Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:48 PM EST

I think GoddessLu is right on point. Rosie was challenging EH to look at the perspective of the innocent Iraqi citizens and how THEY may perceive the US. Would they necessarily consider us benefactors? EH and Fox news quickly twisted this to an affront on the troops, which was not the intent of Rosie's statement. Rosie then asked EH to back her character as a friend, not defend her statement. Again, EH misinterpreted the intent of this request and told Rosie to "defend her own insinuations". EH appears to be a few needles short of a haystack on this one.

Queen Fancy Pants Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:26 PM EST

Rosie is a arrogant, self righteous loud mouth. With all the name calling and pouting she did, I am glad she is gone.

AnthonyCW Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:23 PM EST

Do you think The View has the potential to carry on in the same vein sans Rosie?
I'm not sure. I think they will be trying to prove that over the summer, especially if (when) they win the emmy, and I hope they do and pick two new women who'll help them become even stronger.

Can Joy Behar hold her own on the left or will she go back to delivering Catskills comedy gold?
I think with Elizabeth having found more confidence, so to say, she'll have to say something in response.

Are you like me in strangely respecting Hasselbeck's newfound strength?
YES, and thank you for saying that! I've said it to friends who look at me all vacantly.

Is there a show out there that I don't know about that has the same egalitarian vibe?
I have yet to find it. If you see one let us know.

And if you got a chair at that table, what would you use it to say?
I have no idea, but I have thought about it before. Considering I don't think they ever liked their male co-hosts, that makes the possibility even less.

djm Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:17 PM EST

Cont..
I also don't think this is a case of RO picking up her toys and stomping off as some would like us to believe. I think she just had enough and it's as simple as that. People have the right to pick and choose their battles and I don't think this is a battle that Rosie wanted to fight - first and foremost because there was no point in fighting it and second because it isn't a battle that can be won. I tuned in yesterday to see how BW was going to spin this and while I found her to be somewhat genuine, I drew the line with EH. To say that they are "communicating" and working towards "forgiveness" seems a bit of a stretch to me since Rosie herself said that she probably wouldn't speak to her again. Sorry, but it came across to me as EH trying to save face and not owning up to her part. I think she is a vile person and that is why I will never watch The View again (until EH is gone and then maybe). I didn't always agree with Rosie, but at least she came across as honest.

djm Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:11 PM EST

I started recording the View when Rosie came aboard and just last night I erased it from my DVR and will no longer record it. Whitney, your post is amazing however there are a few things I feel I need to point out. First, this "argument" between Rosie and EH was about more than politics - it was about firendship. Rosie said on her blog that she tried harder with EH than anyone else on the show when she started because she thought it was important and I think EH kind of stabbed her in the back by not supporting her. I don't mean support her views, but support her character (something all "friends" should do). When Rosie announced she was leaving the show I felt bad but I also understood - she seemed tired of fighting a battle that can't be won and if I were her I wouldn't have re-signed either. The world can be a depressing place these days and I think Rosie got tired of talking about it.

Anna Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:08 PM EST

I loved this post. Hit the nail on the head! I found Rosie AND Elisabeth (I never thought I'd say this) to be intelligent and in tune with what's going on in politics. I think Elisabeth really started doing her homework and sounded somewhat intelligent after Rosie started on the show. Do we need experts on the view that know everything there is to know about politics? Heck no! Some of the reason why it actually got people's attention is because it's political AND entertaining. If you just got a bunch of experts rounded up then I'm afraid it would be rather boring for the average viewer.

Beth Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:06 PM EST

While I wish Rosie would have stayed on the show and made her voice be heard loud and clear till the end, I can't really blame her for wanting to get away from the show. As for Hasselbeck, she is a inane twit who has information fed to her. I don't call that strength.

Michael Wed, May 30, 2007 at 02:54 PM EST

This is seriously one of the most intelligent posts/comment boards I have ever seen. Whatever we lost on The View, we're certainly beginning to make up for with discussions like these.

Chris Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:26 PM EST

Gee, thanks Liz......(blush) :)

Rev. O.J. Flow Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:17 PM EST

Well put, Ms. Pastorek. This show couldn't have asked for better representation, never mind that THE VIEW hasn't always deserved it. It was truly a shame for openminded people everywhere the manner in which Rosie chose to leave this show.

Katie V. Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:06 PM EST

Hmmm...I think we'll do just fine without Rosie. The View ladies aren't exactly a brain trust, Rosie included. Being famous means you can spout your views and be heard by millions, but it has nothing to do with intelligence or being well-informed. Take Cher, for example--the first one that springs to my mind, though there are many on both sides. I agree that intelligent, thoughtful debate would be a refreshing change, but in my opinion, The View is neither, with or without Rosie.

aj Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:57 PM EST

Very, very, very well stated. I 100 per cent agree with you but could never have articulated it as such. Great work!

Ma Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:50 PM EST

Sorry your pissed Whitney, but every time I watched the View (and I can count those on one hand) I got pissed at the stupidity and self absorbed yappers who wasted an hour of my time.
If your gonna have a debate show, please get some women who know a little about what they're debating. And fairness for both sides of the issue. The View never had it.

Ron Mexico Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:41 PM EST

Is it a fair assumption that most of us - having jobs that take place while "The View" is on - don't really watch the show anyway?


It's not a bad thing to get a demographic not normally predisposed to political discussions interested. I wouldn't have picked those two to lead the change, but whatever gets us all thinking more.

Anna Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:35 PM EST

Whitney - for awhile I have been lukewarm about your posts, but now you have my respect. You really put the whole Rosie thing into perspective and the only downside, like others have posted, is that you overlooked the "friend" issue. Anyways, I didn't even watch the View, but all of the issues raised on the show trickled throughout pop culture and made us a little better. So I'll miss Rosie from the View and now she'll be back to only being a weird poet (I don't like those blogs and prefer her when she speaks).

Sweet Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:10 PM EST

Great post Whitney. The debate was about friendship and loyalty not what Rosie said. Rosie asked EH did she really believe the insinuations and EH couldn't or didn't want to answer. It's like if someone was talking about you, wouldn't you want you friend to say "that's my friend, that's not nice." That's what this was about.

Sweet Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:09 PM EST

Great post Whitney. The debate was about friendship and loyalty not what Rosie said. Rosie asked EH did she really believe the insinuations and EH couldn't or didn't want to answer. It's like if someone was talking about you, wouldn't you want you friend to say "that's my friend, that's not nice." That's what this was about.

daisyj Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:07 PM EST

Let me see if I have this correct: You don't like "The Price Is Right"?

What are you, a Commie?

Brian Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:03 PM EST

Whitney, an amazing piece! You articulated what I have been trying to say all weekend. I felt badly for Rosie, for all the abuse and scorn she seemed to suffer for simply offering up a different point of view and it wasn't entrely surprising that she had enough and just left. But strangely I feel cheated. Cheated because as a single 40y/o gay, slighly stocky, left leaning, educated man, someone finally on network tv, on a show that my parents and their friends watched, someone who spoke for me, SPOKE. Often loudly, true, but she spoke nonetheless and in doing so she shifted the dialogue as to included the voices of many gays and lesbians. It was like finally we exsisted. We weren't all shallow, promiscuous life-style choosers; we were real people, with lives that included being active in political debates, in the concerns of health care, ect. In other words, I finally felt like we were present somehow. And now I feel like we're not. We're a little less again.

Kristin Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:03 PM EST

It concerns me when we start getting into the discussion that only a certain qualified group of people are able to talk about politics on TV or any public forum. Logically, it's a short trip to needing a special test to vote. I think it's good this season has reflected what's going on in people's homes- 9/11 conspiracy theories were awkwardly at my family's Thanksgiving table this year, anyone else? Who can always agree with anyone viewpoint but it's been enlivening to see the interaction. BTW, does anyone else see performance art in EH's thoughtful pose? Makes me laugh every time.

Suzanne Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:59 AM EST

Totally agree with you Whitney. I didn't agree with Rosie all the time (particularly in her support of Imus) but it was great viewing. And for those idiots who keep claiming that she had should have been fired for "championing" conspiracy theories, you will now have time to go look for those WMDs your president and government lied to you about. But all the bleating from the right about Rosie didn't mean a thing to her. What I think did her in was that her "friend" Elisabeth wouldn't support her. And that's what's so frustrating -- that a no talent, moron like Elisabeth did what the O'Reilly's, Trumps, Fox and Murdoch regimes couldn't do. I hope the View gets cancelled (it won't take much given this week's shows) and Rosie gets her own show (and takes Joy) so that we can continue to hear her "view".

Scott Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:57 AM EST

One other thing...the facts! 650,000 civilians killed in Iraq? That's about 500 a day since the war began. Obviously, that figure is not even close. But that's what we've come to expect from Rosie...lies. Sad. Because it takes away from the tragedy itself. Yes, the figure is closer to 100,000, but even that is an abomination. And it's Muslims killing Muslims, Rosie. Deflecting the issues and making up facts is what hurts the argument on the left. Be honest and explain the causes truthfully, and maybe we can get the hell out of their mess! I'm glad Rosie is out. Maybe cooler, smarter heads will now prevail. She was always too full of hate. The hate has been silenced for the moment.

Scott Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:50 AM EST

Yes, you ARE giving the show more credit that it deserves. Rosie shot her mouth off because, like most people who do (as you said, on both extremes of the political wings), they know not of what they speak. You quickly glossed over her conspiracy rants, but that tells you right there what an uneducated wacko she is. She's just another poorly educated nut case with a very big mouth--that doesn't make her right. It just makes her LOUD! And obnoxious. And irritating. Entertaining? Yes! Enlightening? Never!
The government took down the Twin Towers with explosives because she doesn't understand how burning jet fuel could do it??? Then learn, you fat, stupid, moron! Tons of websites on structural engineering promptly posted explanations...but did she look them up and announce her stupidity on "The View?" Of course not! I guess the government took down the bridge in San Francisco where the gasoline tanker truck burned too? Same moronish logic.
Sad indeed...

Laura Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:41 AM EST

First let me start by saying Whitney, you are one of my FAVORITE from EW! Love your writing .. even on Lost caps.

I have never really watch The View. So I really don't care much for it. I have seen it a few times when my fave actor is in it but I can leave with out it. The 'FIGHT' between R and E ... whatever. What I found interesting is the fact that when they introduce Alicia Silverstone ( I think that is her name .. the Clueless girl ) .. she past right by E and hug everyone else!! E made a face but kept to herself but wow that was low jajajaaa but funny.

Liz Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:39 AM EST

Chris, thank you for articulating what I couldn't! I could kiss you!

a minority Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:34 AM EST

Some said Elizabeth talks to fast and often interrupts but they don't realize that if Elizabeth didn't do that, Rosie would be the only one talking. Rosie is such a bully, loud woman whose bark is faster than her thought. The rating is higher when Rosie came to the View because she always creates controversies. Three experienced liberals against 1 young conservative. How fair is that?

Judi from Michigan Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:30 AM EST

I keep reading about EH not backing Ro's view and that is NOT what it was all about. Ro asked EH if she agreed with the cable guys and believed Ro thought our troops were terrorists. Had nothing to do with backing a view. I for one will miss Rosie and no longer watch the view which I might add I had not watched for many years but had to watch every day since Rosie came on board. No matter what Ro said if it was not what EH wanted to hear the cable guys put huge spins on it. EH belongs over there with H&C or FOX where fair and balanced is not at all how I see any of them. Very one sided. I hope to see Rosie back on tv and the sooner the better. Hate the war not the troops is all she ever tried to say and the administration who sent our troops into this war. How hard is that to understand and I am not college educated but am a retired person who has seen much in my lifetime.

TorontoTom Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:27 AM EST

Hey Rosie - COME BACK!!! Jolt everyone awake again by rejoining the show for the final two weeks of the contract. Continue to MAKE AMERICA TALK!!!

Chris Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM EST

I'm all for lively debate, and maybe it's fun to have a wingnut like Rosie on TV, in a car wreck sort of way, but please. The woman is painfully stupid, and the only problem with any of this is that she should have been fired long ago. A mainstream broadcast on a major network should not put an implied stamp of approval on comments such as 9/11 was the "first time fire has ever melted steel." Tell that to the world's blacksmiths, you retard. It has nothing to do with left vs. right, it has to do with the fact that she's nuts. I don't imagine a right-wing nut would last very long on the View who went on and on about how Vincent Foster was actually murdered by the Clintons. This is a culture that too often looks for any kind of jolt and excitement, no matter if the content is simply beyond the pale, as it was with Rosie. If you miss her, make an effort to have something else engage you in your life. She was and is awful, and our culture is now just a little less coarse.

say what? Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM EST

Are you seriously suggesting that "The View" raised the level of political discourse in this country? It was no different than any 24 hour news show - get 2 people from the extremes who don't listen, who ignore any fact that doesn't fit into their existing theories, and who opine and pontificate on subjects on which they are not even remotely qualified to speak. It's another example of theories being tossed out without those pesky things called facts, because comprehensively listing and analyzing facts would be boring tv. You say that the show mirrored how you and your friends sound when you discuss these issues. But shouldn't people on television be able to discuss these issues with more intelligence, more nuance, and greater and broader perspective? Why can't tv discourse elevate, rather than reflect, our private discussions of public matters. What a commentary on our narcissism that someone on tv being "just like us" is considered a worthy reason to watch and listen.

Mia Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM EST

Before Rosie, I TiVoed The View but some days I didn't watch it and just deleted it.
With Rosie, my friends were calling me at work about what was happening on The View and I would search out clips on YouTube because I couldn't wait to get home.
After Rosie, well. . if Tuesday's show is any indiction, I won't be caring about The View again.
I thought Whoopi would be a natural replacement for Rosie but I was proved wrong on Tuesday.
I am with you, Whitney. Now I must go mourn the loss of The View, Bob Barker, Gilmore Girls, Veronica Mars all in one season.

BriguyF69 Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM EST

Whitney Pastorek - I could kiss you. That was an amazing article. I hope Rosie reads it and understands where you are coming from. If she does, she should send you flowers. If she doesn't, she'll probably call you up and scream at you. In any case, I think perhaps YOU should be on The View. No - the show will not be as interesting without Rosie. I bet the ratings will decline immediately. BTW: I will be watching the inevitable cable talk show Rosie hosts next.

james Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:34 AM EST

I am surprised that rosie hung in as long as she did considering that the only retort people had for her was calling her a "big fat lesbian"... how damaging would that be to hear over and over again... i think rosie accurately articulated the liberal rage your country feels right now and yet became a target of the right (and Donald Trump)... i hope rosie finds peace in her retirement and knows that she fought the good fight as best she could.

Ron Mexico Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:26 AM EST

While I defend Elisabeth's right to her own point of view, I am STUNNED that there are people that find her to be anything other than parrot for Fox News.


Does anyone seriously think Elisabeth has done all of the research to support her talking points? Does anyone think she has done anything more than listen to conservative pundits?


Look, Rosie may be out there a bit, but I'm guessing she is probably more well read on the subject than EH - corny conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

Ms Daisy Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:26 AM EST

While both Rosie and Elisabeth are certainly entitled to voice their opinions, just as we all are, why on earth should Elisabeth have to defend Rosie's opinions? Rosie...if you are going to spew forth whatever thought happens to cross your mind, then be prepared to have to do your own spin control. Don't expect a co-worker, especially own whose political views are 180% from your own, to do the spin for you.

Liz Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:20 AM EST

Thank you for reminding me why I don't watch the View. Squawk squawk sqwawk.

Thataboy Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:58 AM EST

The only person who can keep this show alive is Margaret Cho. If I were Barbara Walters, I'd be offering her the world and a half for even 1 year.

Ames Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:49 AM EST

I don't watch the View, but I agree with the point that liberals have been running away from the fight for too long.

Lene Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:43 AM EST

Whitney - thanks for saying what I've thought (and far better than I ever could). Rosie made turning on the television worthwhile - instead of inane and insipid, it got thoughtprovoking. I can understand why she'd had it and left, but still, I wish she'd stayed the last three weeks and showed us all that you can violently disagree, but continue to have a respectful relationship - that'd be a nice role model for a medium/discussion that's disintegrated into divisive extreme with no bridges for understanding.

Alison Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:37 AM EST

I admire Elizabeth. The whole entertainment industry (and The VIEW) is filled with liberals, and during tough times such as this Elizabeth continuously defends and supports her conservative views. That is not an easy thing to do. My hat goes off to you Elizabeth. I hope a whole generation of young women learn how to intellectually debate their beliefs (no matter how "unpopular" they may be) because of your service on the view.

Frank Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:26 AM EST

I didn't always agree with Rosie, in fact I'm not sure she always agreed with herself, but I was glad to see her out there just bringing up REAL things on this show and not just fluff for middle brows. who Knows how many people got their politcal awakenings, either way, from her time on the show. Got to be a good thing.

GingerCat Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:22 AM EST

Great article, Whitney. I'm also impressed by the comments here, most of which are very thoughtful.

It would be great if The View could keep its new format of genuine exchange of ideas on issues that matter. I agree that Margaret Cho would be a good replacement for Rosie. Joy seems middle of the road, so maybe they could get another middle of the road person to round out the group. I'm still pushing for Gayle King.

I may be in the minority, but I also miss Lisa Ling. She seemed to be the only "young" cast member who was truly intelligent and thoughtful. Debbie and Elisabeth just don't have her smarts.

Jeff Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:53 AM EST

As a Canadian I am scared for your country for the first time in my life. Rosie opened up the floodgates on many important issues that aren't covered by any other daytime shows. She gave a much need voice to many important issues. Whether you liked her or not, this stuff needs to be discussed.

Kelly Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:32 AM EST

I am such a Rosie fan. The courage she showed in the face of such negative interpretation is so admirable. The fact that she opened up the conversation on daytime t.v. and possibly opened some people's eyes is something I appreciate so much.
I hope she goes on to have her own show along the lines of Bill Maher.
Go Ro!!!

Grace Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:31 AM EST

Finally. I said the day Rosie started she wouldn't last a year. The bully always eventually loses. And, that restores my faith in the world!

GoddessLu Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:28 AM EST

I was a long-time Viewer until Rosie came on (I work but I taped and watched daily), mostly because I didn't care for Rosie personality-wise though I agree with her views for the most part. It sounds like she stirred the pot and infused a probably dying show with some vigor and put a voice to what many feel but don't say in order not to offend the Rigid Right. Her comments last week were about perspective-if you were the Iraqis, how would you view us in your country and all of the fallen civilians? I doubt that we would be considered "liberators" as this administration continues to call us. Liberty is not a one size fits all proposition & Rosie was simply trying to make a point that while many of our troops have fallen, many of their CIVILIANS (who are not fighting) have as well. If the war were in this country, and it was Iraq trying to liberate us from some "evil doer", how does that shoe fit you? Why can no one tolerate discussion & instead fan the flames of an out of control fire?

Jenn67 Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:18 AM EST

Whitney! You summed up my feelings exactly. I'm more left than right, I'm fat (but straight) and a mom in middle-class America who shied away from political discussions most of the time. I don't like confrontatation. However, when watching the View I felt I could release a little bit of my inner Obama and yell along with whomever I agreed and/or disagreed. It was great. I don't care for Elisabeth's stance, but I do respect her opinions and the right to have them. I'll miss it. They took a giant step backward yesterday and the show dropped about 80 IQ points. I hope they spice it up again. Rosie will be missed by all, whether they love her or love to hate her.

Boo Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:00 AM EST

Look at it this way:She can always make a living selling peanuts on the streets of Manhattan. Her voice will be heard loud and clear:"Get your peanuts!"

Louise Wed, May 30, 2007 at 07:49 AM EST

I'm a feminist so I really hate to say this but The View is nothing but a hen party and I can't bear to watch it.

Me Wed, May 30, 2007 at 07:48 AM EST

Contrary to popular belief, 'all personalities' were not and are not fairly presented on this show. It's always 3 liberals to one conservative. Walters says diddly and shouldn't even be there, and Joy is a liberal to the core, she's just mousy about it.
Never been a fair show on hot issues like abortion, euthanasia, etc. It's always been biased because of the 3 to 1 ratio. Fix that and then you might have something.
And Whoopi spells death to the View.

Amy Wed, May 30, 2007 at 07:29 AM EST

Never liked this show, never will. Thought your article was very interesting, but to me, none of the women are really interested in hearing what the others have to say. They constantly interrupt each other so that no one's "view" really comes across. Watching this show and these women bicker back and forth is a stressful experience for me. And it serves to confirm a stereotype believed by many: women can't really be friends and work things out, it will always turn ugly and catty.

PDT Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:14 AM EST

Please dont keep Whoopi- she is boring. she sits around too long to deliver a non-funny punchline...we dont need 2 boring women up there. (EH)

RayT Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:59 AM EST

Great editorial Whitney. I was hoping that Barbara & Co. would use the first post-Rosie View episode to seriously discuss why a show that featured females discussing politics was so relentlessly attacked/satirized/cartoonized by the media to the point of dissolution but was instead presented with that inane Lindsay discussion. I don't believe Barbara was ever remotely aware of how incredibly culturally relevant The View became when Rosie arrived and it's a shame she (Barbara) never tried to nurture that relevance. Instead she tried to stifle it on the days she was there, attempting to steer the conversation away from politics and back to essential topics such as moisturizing creams and baby shower etiquette-- you know, stuff that women really like to talk about.

gonzo Wed, May 30, 2007 at 02:14 AM EST

Margaret Cho could save this show:)

Alan (Canada) Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:43 AM EST

Just had a thought--how about bringing Margaret Cho onto the show! She's funny, she's a woman of colour, and she's a liberal (and bi!).

e4ia Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:41 AM EST

Whitney, you just summed up everything that I've felt about this whole situation PERFECTLY. I'm not the biggest Rosie fan and didn't agree with everything she said, but I was so glad that there was someone willing to say SOMETHING and start conversations that this country needs to hear sometimes. By suddenly walking away from that table because the conversation got too heated for her, it makes everything she has stood for and said lose any impact that it once had. She needs to swallow her pride, acknowledge that she over-reacted, and reach out to the View and the hosts (especially Elizabeth)and show that, not only is she human like the rest of us, but she is mature and willing to stand her ground, even when things get tough.

Alan (Canada) Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:35 AM EST

I love Rosie, but I have to say that I don't really think she belonged on a show with other people--she's much better solo. I found that she often dominated the conversation, and it felt like she was trying to make the show her own rather than sharing it with the other women at the table. They really need another woman of colour on the show, too.

pam Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:42 AM EST

rosie disagrees with iraqis being called terrorists. they did not attack us. elisabeth said they had killed 3000 americans, so rosie said our troops had killed over 600,000 iraqis. did that make our troops terrorists. of course that was more than elisabeth could comprehend. all she could get out of that was rosie saying our troops and terrorists. i hope joy steps up. and i hope they get whoopi or someone as vocal to take rosie's place.

Shari Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:39 AM EST

brilliant commentary, Whitney. I agree Rosie can't really complain considering her comment, which I totally understood. I know she didn't mean that our troops were terrorists, she meant the PERCEPTION of our troops that Iraqi civilians and others in the middle east have is not necessarily much different than our perception of who and what "terrorists" and "terrorism" are/is. However, Rosie got all heated and passionate about it and was in no way eloquent with her phrasing. And I agree, she took it personal when it didn't need to be, I don't think it was the end of the world that Elisabeth didn't defend her. I think at the end of the day, Rosie is still that sad little girl who lost her mom too young. And I'm sad she left early, she made The View truly interesting for the first time in yeeearrs.

Jessica Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:25 AM EST

I think you all forget Rosie is human. How much more could she take- one could see she tried so hard to hang in. But depression and betrayal triggers (PTSD) are in her background and she's vulnerable like the rest of us, despite valiant efforts to speak the truth amid relentless whistle-blower backlash. I will miss her on the View, probably won't watch anymore, and thank Rosie for being our compassionate, loud, Paul Revere. She's a hero(Jahero)in my book and history will prove her to be one. Rest up Ro, we love and need you kicking. Best wishes for a yellow summer vacation. You deserve it!

pam Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:25 AM EST

i think rosie's mistake was she thought elisabeth was so young and naive. that if she just explained what was going on she would understand and see her side of things. but she is just a diehard republican and these people really believe all the things democrats find unbelievable.

Jessica Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:22 AM EST

I think you all forget Rosie is human. How much more could she take- one could see she tried so hard to hang in. But depression and betrayal triggers (PTSD) are in her background and she's vulnerable like the rest of us, despite valiant efforts to speak the truth amid relentless whistle-blower backlash. I will miss her on the View, probably won't watch anymore, and thank Rosie for being our compassionate, loud, Paul Revere. She's a hero(Jahero)in my book and history will prove her to be one. Rest up Ro, we love and need you kicking. Best wishes for a yellow summer vacation. You deserve it!

Janine Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:08 AM EST

Unlike Elizabeth or Joy, Rosie is not dependent upon the View for a job on television. She doesn't need the money, clearly, and she can get another job whenever she wants. She has her own fan base, independent of The View. In the end, I think the hassle became too much for her, from a show that has always needed her FAR more than she ever needed it. Rosie will be fine without The View. She will have her choice of projects to move on with. As for The View...it was so dull today I could have screamed. I turned it off when they started talking about Barbra's dog's wedding. They will have to work pretty hard to get a replacement who makes the show as interesting as Rosie did.

whol Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:59 PM EST

I think this year The View actually became what Brbara Walters claimed she always wanted: a show about women with different points of view. Elizabeth became more than that girl from survivor to be the counterpart to Rosie.

Ryan from Toronto Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:54 PM EST

Whitney, EW should give you a raise sister.
I'm jumpin on your band wagon. I've loved Rosie ever since she had her own show. Networks should be jumping to start Rosies new talk show: "Up your View, Hasselbeck"
A majority of us Canadians fully share Rosie's views on modern day events ...even if your President doesn't. Rock on Rosie, Rock on (and You Rock it all the time Whitney!)

cidigi Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:47 PM EST

I saw the previous two shows before the blowup. Elizabeth started it with saying the terrorists killed more than
3000 of our men. Rosie said terrorists? Eliz said yes. So Rosie
said 655000 Iraquis died-Who are the terrorists? Are we the terrorists? The Fox crew made up their version
of this. Rosie asked if Eliz thought
she thought Americans were terrorists
and Elizabeth looked down and said
nothing. That is being a coward.
End of discussion.
We all lose without Rosie. Elizabeth needs to study our history for the
last 50 yrs of 1900.

Diego Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:31 PM EST

I have to say, your analysis of the situation is indepth and ressonates a truth of societies current state in communication. The View has always been an insightful show, where a group of women voice there opions on the subject matters of the world. I have to disagree with you saying this show hadn't had its insightful, political debates before Rosie came because it did. Many of the conversations on the View, especially the previous season before Ro, had combative debates on the war, terrorism, and pop culture. The difference is Rosie voiced her view with a more combatic and exteremist statements that would cause furry amongst the others especially Hasslebeck. Rosie year helped the show but also damaged the show due to overloading on each show as fighting zone. It's great to have a view and voice it but the understanding and respect for other opinons was not there. Rosie will go off and be fine as should The View. And it will.

Diego Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:30 PM EST

I have to say, your analysis of the situation is indepth and ressonates a truth of societies current state in communication. The View has always been an insightful show, where a group of women voice there opions on the subject matters of the world. I have to disagree with you saying this show hadn't had its insightful, political debates before Rosie came because it did. Many of the conversations on the View, especially the previous season before Ro, had combative debates on the war, terrorism, and pop culture. The difference is Rosie voiced her view with a more combatic and exteremist statements that would cause furry amongst the others especially Hasslebeck. Rosie year helped the show but also damaged the show due to overloading on each show as fighting zone. It's great to have a view and voice it but the understanding and respect for other opinons was not there. Rosie will go off and be fine as should The View. And it will.

Jennifer Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:28 PM EST

What is sad is that many women in America just lost their voice with the departure of Rosie. Here is a bright, funny, passionate, everyday kind of woman who represents at once, so many of us, and at the same time, a diverse voice in being gay. Its the women of America that lose.

Todd Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:09 PM EST

So I posted my comment before reading the others and should have waiting until I hit Tina's at the bottom. I understand where people might get offended by the comment, probably because they don't really understand what she said, but I don't think Rosie has anything to apologize for. But yes, a clarification might have been more helpful than the screaming match, even though it did make for good TV. Whomever said the liberal deck was stacked is right, but if you look at TV pundits in general, the loudest are overwhelmingly on the right, which was easily Rosie's downfall. Since the president took a HUGE nosedive, the worst of the bunch (ah, O'Reilly) went after her like crazy, even when she didn't say anything wrong. There are plenty of great pundits on both sides, but when the loudest on the right are feeling threatened by a charmismatic, funny lesbian with lots of viewers, they tend to attack. Did Rosie overreact? Probably, but she didn't really do anything wrong. We'll miss you, Rosie.

sam Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:06 PM EST

A very good analysis. I am also disappointed that Rosie didn't finish out her contract. To allow the ridiculous Elizabeth to drive her off the show is just wrong. How could she believe that this shallow puppet was really her friend? The only thing that I can not agree with is that Elizabeth deserves any respect for stating "her" views. I have always suspected that she gets a phone call every morning with "her" views for that day. You can tell because she can never explain her positions. Love or hate Rosie, at least her opinions are her own.I am not fond of conspiracy theories, but I do think that this was planned to drive Rosie off the show and try to keep viewers because now they won't miss that bad Rosie who picked on a pregnant blond woman! It won't work--we have already tuned out for good.I hope that Walters realizes that she has allowed a Survivor loser to take over her show.

Todd Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:55 PM EST

I'll definitely join in the chorus of praise for your insight, Whitney. I think you got it exactly right, because lets face it, Rosie made the show. I never watched it before this year, but I tuned in just to watch her toss around her strong, very biased opinions against a panel that hadn't dealt with that before, and after they got used to it, I think everyone on the show actually managed to catch up. Joy realized she could basically take the comedic role with occasional bits of insight and Elizabeth definitely came into her own as the voice of the right. Whether you loved Rosie or not, she just made the whole show better. Watching this morning's show was depressing because as much of a legend as she is, Barbara is WAY past her prime when it comes to keeping up with the show. This morning's show was awful and it really showed just how much Rosie meant to it. Hopefully they can find someone soon to fill her spot or the ratings drop is going to be deafening.

Mark Mercereau Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:54 PM EST

I totally agree with almost all of what you say. I've been watching The View since season one and it has never been must-see TV (as must as daytime TV can be must see) like this season with Rosie. A terrible loss for TV in general.

chippy Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:51 PM EST

Rosie seems angry at times,but I think she is very bright and perceptive...and that Hasselback woman is a "Christian"?...I knew there was something about her I didn't like...too bad she wouldn't leave the show instead of Rosie!

chippy Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:51 PM EST

Rosie seems angry at times,but I think she is very bright and perceptive...and that Hasselback woman is a "Christian"?...I knew there was something about her I didn't like...too bad she wouldn't leave the show instead of Rosie!

andrew Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:39 PM EST

You nailed exactly what I was trying to say. I don't agree with liz, but there was something about her this last week that I found I strangely respected. she held her ground.

stephen Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:34 PM EST

i just started to watch the view off of my dvr and stopped it after the first hot topics. the show went from ENTHRALLING to booooooooring in the span of 4 days.

I can't wait for Rosie to have her own show (again).

Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:29 PM EST

who cares about rosie! she's loud & obnoxious & negative. she hates everyone who doesn't think the way she thinks AND she can't even defend her point of view. i used to love her. now i can't stand her. she complains about intollerance but she is the most intollerant of all.

JAN Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:27 PM EST

Rosie made the discussion called Hot Topics really HOT. Without her there is no heat. There rarely was before except when Star and Joy were snarky with each other. Joy has strong opinions but if she is going to be called upon to struggle to keep on subject since BW and EH tend to interrupt before Joy can complete her entire thought, she throws her hands up, rolls her eyes and stops talking. EH talks too fast and often cannot wait until her co-hosts have stopped talking or even the guests before she is adding her own thoughts. Rosie was able to interview guests as though she was having a conversation with a friend, which relaxed the guest, allowing for a more interesting interview.
When Rosie came along, "The View" became a Season Pass on my TIVO. Now I have all this free space.
JAN

BrandonK Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:20 PM EST

Whitney, I always enjoy your points of view, whether it's an Apprentice recap or a rumination on the Rosie Effect. Having never watched The View, I can't comment directly on its content, but I must say it was nice to have Rosie out there in the mainstream again. I think this new format for The View could be a good way to go, and I think switching out the players every now and then is wise. That way different viewpoints are constantly introduced. I would even suggest bringing back former panel members for 3-month stints every now and then, just to see how they play off the new people.

jane Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:18 PM EST

I like EH about 10 times more than I did when she first started on the show. She held her ground, and stated her views, which is EXACTLY what Rosie did right up until the moment she decided not to defend her own insinuations. When EH said, "Poor little Elizabeth is NOT poor little Elizabeth," I was like, "yes! exactly! it's about time!" It's a shame Rosie's leaving because Elizabeth really did step up her game over the past year.

dodat Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:10 PM EST

i'll miss seeing rosie on the view. not because i agreed with everything she said, but because it was just important that she said it. and while i am more than happy to not have to change the channel after every time elisabeth has somehow defended the most outrageous of government acts, i am sad that the discussion is over.

Bernard Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:01 PM EST

Whitney,

As brilliant an analysis as I have ever read about The View.

You are my hero.

Jessica Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:56 PM EST

Whitney, I think you give Rosie more credit than she deserves. Sure, there were times when she brought the discussion to a new level, a level that "middle-america" often does not get a chance to hear and debate. But too often she sunk to the same level as those she was deriding, championing an opinion without having the facts to back it up.

Kyle Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:49 PM EST

Wow, Whitney. What a brilliant commentary. I'm very impressed...you summed up how I feel perfectly. Great job!

Tim Lade Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:40 PM EST

Whitney,

I don't have much to say because I tend to agree with pretty much everything you have to say...but I have missed your writing. It is exactly the type of writing I want to do and I get dissapointed when I fail to see your by line. So please keep writing and share your view!

oh for crying out loud Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:37 PM EST

anonymous, is it not possible to make your point without the unnecesarry personal dig at the writer?

Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:29 PM EST

I'm just tired of people putting the word "at" after their verbs. The proper grammar is "where we are as a culture", not "where we're at as a culture."

My own personal war with "professional" writers, I suppose.

aa Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:26 PM EST

where ya been whitney? i agree with you a thousand percent. i started watching a few months ago and i loved hearing voices i disagreed with almost more than my own point of view. there are people in my life where we cannot broach certain subjects for fear of the relationships being over; that's a sad commentary on where we are as a country. how are we going to get anywhere if we can't listen to eachother without demonizing the other side or name calling. i'll miss the rosie/elizabeth era of the view and hope to see it live on elsewhere.

kate Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:20 PM EST

I've watched The View off and on for years, but I tuned in when Rosie came on in hopes of watching a Ro/Star Jones cat fight. I held on for a few weeks, but eventually just tuned out. I got sick of listening to both Ro and Elisabeth spouting political talking points that snowballed into a shouting match for the whole table - and Ro had the loudest bark. I always felt EH got assertive because she was sick of being bullied, and I was surprised to find that most people don't feel the same way. I agree that the dialogue of real women, flawed arguements and all, is one of the best and most real things about the View, but I always felt that adding Ro stacked the side for the left. The show already had a left-leaning comedian in Joy. EH became the underdog who started to bite back. Plus, I felt that quite a few of the comments Ro added were dangerously incorrect. I'm not totally thrilled to see her go, but I am eager to hear of her replacement.

Nancy Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:41 PM EST

I agree with you whole-heartedly, Whitney, and welcome back. I am disappointed that Rosie left the way she did, and I believe the sad ending is of her creation. Ro resorted to name-calling many times this season (still love her, tho). It appears to me she lacks perspective on her own role in the fracas. While EH's delivery was imperfect, I thought she was right on point in this case. It was like Rosie was holding her emotionally hostage. I fall somewhere left of EH and right of Ro. I didn't always agree with what everyone said, but I thought the conversation was important. I hope, hope, hope that dear old Barbara understands this and hires someone who has the guts to continue the conversation. I see this kind of conversation nowhere else in the media, although Bill Maher comes close. What would I talk about if I were on the panel? Same stuff. It's the honesty and debate that is important.

kelly Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:37 PM EST

Also, the way this played out is a sad commentary on feminism in this modern age. I guess this perpetuates the "silly, irrational, over-emotional woman" stereotype. I don't agree with it whatsoever (as I am a feminist myself), but am upset that intelligent women in the public eye can't just be steadfast in their beliefs and not let petty personal arguments and hurt feelings get in the way of both their careers and their friendships. I hope they weren't role models for the next generation of strong, opinionated women.

Lindsay Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:36 PM EST

I'm devastated! First "Gilmore Girls" goes, then my beloved "Veronica Mars", and less than a week later, I've lost the last sometimes flawed, sometimes absurd, but always witty and assertive woman that was left on TV. Rosie and all the fire she brought to "The View" will be missed. My 11:00-11:30am coffee break won't be the same without her.

Peggy O Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:32 PM EST

Rosie , I think, was maybe right to feel betrayed but this is the territory that comes with being someone that says things so people will think harder about the world and what is happening in it! I wish she would have stayed and stood up for herself and point of view.. Leaving was just not right! Meanwhile Elizabeth can be annoying at times but there has to be someone there to balance that properly... Rosie was it ... now let's just wait and see what other woman will be the sacrificial lamb of the view again!

kelly Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:28 PM EST

I agree with you, Whitney. Lord knows this country needs all the real public political discourse it can get (an by "discourse" I don't mean 24-Hour News Outlet talking heads who recite political talking points for an hour to people who already agree with them). The best thing about "Rosie's View" was that when they did engage in discussions, they seemed raw and passionate and a little flawed, much like how real people have real debates at home. They somehow became more than just talking heads- they were actual people who spoke as if they were sitting in your living room, drinking coffee and getting upset with the events in the world they saw unfolding around them.

Stephen Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:21 PM EST

The show will die if they stick some wise-cracking idiot (yes you Sherry Shepherd) there and not someone who will stir the melting pot. (Roseanne, Joan Rivers, Wanda Sykes). I never watched the show until this season. To me, the fight was not about the war at all, but rather about friendship.. Rosie felt betrayed by Elizabeth for not defending her, while Elizabeth felt it was Rosie who should do the defending. WHo knows. It got ugly, and over a misunderstanding. I'm holding out for the show, because Bob Barker is leaving too, and Rachael Ray's talk show sucks. If something doesn't happen soon, I just may be forced to go out and et a life. (No, I'm not dissing Whitney. I agree with her 100%).

Sher Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:19 PM EST

Elizabeth strength? she is a loudmouth that just says republican talking points, she is rude and interrupts constantly. I think too many people are not really watching The View or they would not be on Elizabeths side

Sherr Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:18 PM EST

Elizabeth strength? she is a loudmouth that just says republican talking points, she is rude and interrupts constantly. I think too many people are not really watching The View or they would not be on Elizabeths side

Tina Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:07 PM EST

While I tend to lean more towards the political right, rather than the left, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. The whole thing played more liked a high school fight rather than two adult women. Elizabeth does not need to stand up for Rosie against people who were rightfully offended by her statement. Maybe Rosie realized that she did, in fact, cross a line in her comment and needed to apologize and explain. Elizabeth was right to point out that this was more than a low-brow fight with Trump. Rosie offended real people, many of whom loved her when she was on her own show. Instead of apologizing, or clarifying, and fighting for her voice, she retreated. Now she'll comment from the safety of her blog, where she can sound like an unintelligent moron because of her lack of grammar and spelling.

Victor Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:04 PM EST

They should just cancel the whole show.. nuff said!

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