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What's the critic's role in a comment-board world?

Apr 18, 2007, 05:08 PM | by Whitney Pastorek

Categories: American Idol, Music, Web/Tech, Weblogs

Hicks_l I was going to post about this last week, but I ran out of time and lost my nerve, for reasons that will soon become obvious. Still, the idea stuck with me, and as the issue doesn't seem to be going away any time soon, I guess it's time to tackle it head-on. This is going to be long, but I can't stop myself.

[Imagine this next bit said in the movie trailer guy's voice.]

In a world where no piece of professional media can exist without an accompanying Internet message board, the barrage of commentary, courtesy of You™, may be doing irreparable damage to an intellectual tradition that stretches back thousands of years: that of the cultural critic. The word "critic" itself comes from the Greek kritikós (one who discerns), and implies a certain level of scholarship, perspective, education, aesthetic/historical understanding, and calm, considered, reasoned thinking. It's a concept that seems to be directly at odds with the public's ability to put 10 or 15 poorly-spelled words into a little box and click "post." And yet every day, at publications big and small, the public is doing just that... and being celebrated for it.

So I ask: In light of this trend towards all-user-generated-content-all-the-time, can those of us who get paid to have opinions maintain our dignity, our sanity... and our jobs?

After the jump, I attempt to inspire a rational discussion which will no doubt disintegrate into people yelling at me on the comment board. Won't you come along?

I'm not saying I'm blameless. In fact, as few as five years ago, I was guilty as anyone of trolling about various forums and comment boards, making snarky/derisive comments about the topics at hand. Hell — I had a boring day job, and that's what you do with boredom in the Interweb age. I imagine that, had I lived 50 years ago, I would have spent a lot of that time throwing rocks at trees, but that's a different essay.

And then I came to EW. And boy, has my view changed. In my three years at this magazine, I've been told that I should have been aborted before writing a particularly snarky Lost TV Watch. My writing style has been compared (unfavorably) to that of Paris Hilton. My recent review of a Rascal Flatts show led to something like 500 comments, the majority of them calling me an alcoholic man-hater, and a few days ago a commenter made a vivid statement involving me, sodomy, and sausages. And it's not just your good buddy Whittlz getting slammed: Other co-workers have been equally and regularly chastised on our EW.com boards, everyone from the youngest intern to the smartest Mark Harris/Owen Gleiberman type. Last week saw Dalton Ross, the biggest Survivor fan (and one of the funniest writers) in the history of ever, actually forced to defend his love for that show against commenters who said his criticism of the currently sub-par season makes him unqualified to write the weekly recaps.

Yet what really got my juices flowing was the response to a friend of mine's review of a Taylor Hicks (pictured) concert in Newsday earlier this month. If you read J. Edward Keyes's text here, you'll see that he actually enjoyed the concert a great deal, calling the Soul Patroller "canny" and "giddy," while allowing that beneath his enthusiasm, his vocals were just "passable." It's a solid, well-written piece of criticism, touching on the Idol fan phenomenon and betraying what seems like a genuine fondness for Hicks himself, which, P.S., totally ruins my friend's hipster music-blogger cred.

And then, just below his review, I found the inevitable comment board... and I was shocked, not just at the negativity (which I've just come to expect lately), but also the total lack of reading comprehension skills on display. Fans thought my friend was mocking Taylor, calling him "rude" and using plenty of capital letters to display their distaste for his "so-called" review. But it was comments from a gentleman writing under the name "Dave Matthews" that stopped me in my tracks: "Wonder why you never get promoted?" he wrote. "Because if you cannot find something good to say about a concert in your area that made money for everyone, who needs ya?" Huh? I mean, ignoring for a second the unnecessary personal attack, there is the implication that a critic's job is not, in fact, to criticize. "Matthews" then went on to post his example of a "winning" review, which you can read here.

Okay, PopWatchers? Hi. Can we all please agree that the article he reprinted is NOT A REVIEW?? I'm not sure that's even a thesis that should be up for debate. The article is, empirically, NOT A REVIEW. Period. It's essentially a press release. But that's what got me scared, and got me thinking: Is that sort of writing what you people want from us? Does it make you more comfortable if we stick to nothing but positivity and bunnies? Or is message board hostility simply a reaction to the fact that thanks to the Internet and American Idol and CNN's I-Reporting team and blogs and Twitter and MySpace and whatever the hell else, You™ suddenly have a voice that's commensurate in visibility and value to that of our nation's most important cultural critics... and thus you don't need them anymore?

Gosh. I guess I don't know if that's possible. Would life in an unexamined world really be worth living? I mean, I can't imagine existing without the work of writers like Greil Marcus and Lester Bangs and Frank Rich (when he was writing the New York Times' theater reviews, not now; God, I'm not even going to ask what the conservatives among you think of Frank Rich now) and Pauline Kael and Robert Christgau and Michiko Kakutani and others like them. I don't think we'd know as much about our society, or ourselves. I want to understand where we came from, and where we're going — which is what the best criticism tells us. It provides perspective, an opportunity for discussion, a seed from which ideas can grow. It moves us forward.

Now: Am I a Frank Rich or a Pauline Kael? HELL to the no. But I consider myself a proud part of that tradition. I've spent the better part of my adult life educating myself, cultivating opinions, learning about the journey of art through the ages. I take in almost-inconceivable amounts of music, movies, books, television, and media so that I can report on pop culture with an eye on its place in history. I also take time to craft that reporting, to shape my opinions. I take time to present them in a compelling way. I worry over commas, I fret over em-dashes. I use spell-check. I'm inspired by all those amazing voices that came before me, and, as with any craft, I aspire to be excellent at mine. And I believe that, if used properly and responsibly, it is a craft that has great value. I do not know that our society would be a better place if everyone was allowed to perform surgery or build skyscrapers or drive big-rig trucks just because technology came along that made those activities available to the masses at the click of a button. I don't see what makes cultural criticism any different. Just because you can type into the little box and press "post" doesn't mean you should.

I'm opening the floor to you now, PopWatchers. Because that's what we do in these here modern times, it seems. I write something, you respond. Personally, I'm scared of a day when my giant corporate overlords decide my skills are no longer necessary, and they can make more money by just posting a giant scribble board with a sentence at the top of it like "RASCAL FLATTS SUX" or "CLAY AIKEN RULZ" and letting people go to town. Imagine the page hits! Imagine the click-through ad revenue! But... would you really want to be a part of that society?

I wouldn't. And it's not just cause I'd be out of a paycheck.

Discuss.

Jen Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 02:23 AM EST

I didn't mean to make you feel like a loser, Marci. My apologies for the "inferiority complex" comment. I'm just mildly frustrated that so many people have so flagrantly misconstrued what Whitney was trying to say, including you. You seem to suggest she wants us all to bow down and recognize her as our intellectual superior, and that she's not at all interested in dissenting opinions. I didn't read any of that in the article, myself. To each her own, I suppose.

carolina Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 01:17 AM EST

This post could have been summed up:

Love me, love me, say that you love me!
--Love, Whitney

Marci Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 11:38 AM EST

Jen,

You know, you're absolutely right. That comment did come from "[my] own personal inferiority complex." I'm really glad that you helped me realize what a loser I am for giving everyone my dissenting opinion. Anyway...thanks for the personal attack, it really helped to further the discussion along.

To Jen: Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 11:11 AM EST

Is telling another poster they have an "inferiority complex" constructive criticism ?

Ep Sato Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:28 AM EST

Sweet idea! Robot assassin (like SCUD or Death's Head) would be a great day job.

The truth is closer to what Otherside hypothesizes. I work a boring job and spend my downtime posting on this and a few other boards. That doesn't exactly scream "winner".

furry_tom™ Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:40 AM EST

RE: nineteen states and D.C.
Yeah, but I just finished reading One Hundred Years of Solitude, so I'm worried that any cousin lovin' will result in having kids with pig tails (and I don't mean the Swiss Miss variety) and the utter annihilation of my family tree.

OtherSide, I've had my suspicions that EP isn't real either. My guess is that he's either a robot assassin from the future, or a department store mannequin that comes to life at night.

Shirley Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 06:52 AM EST

Whitney, keep on keeping on, girl. Idol fans can get really bunched up when critics write about their beloved(s). Your friend should be used to these critiques of his writing by now as it relates to Taylor Hicks. If you say anything even slightly negative, the (faux) soul patrol will come after you like nobody's business. Two words, baby: No lives. Keep the faith, and keep doing your job. There are those of us who appreciate what critics do, which is critique--not hide behind some fictious board name.

Jen Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 01:19 AM EST

Marci, that's not fair. Read the article again. Whitney's not "miffed that some people dare have opinions." The whole point of the comment feature on this website is to encourage people to share their opinions. What she seems to be miffed about is the overabundance of folks who read a review, disagree with it, and immediately cruise to the comment box to say nothing more than, "OMG UR SO STUPID U DUNNO WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT." I mean, come on--if that's all you have to contribute, you're obviously not up for a reasoned discourse on the finer points of a film or television show. The problem is, how do you filter out the morons? Moderators, that's how--see the TWOP boards for a great example.

Also, Marci? Don't say things like "it's condescending to all the readers." Read through the responses to this article and you'll see that most of us didn't feel like Whittlz was putting us down. Frankly, I think that reaction came from your own personal inferiority complex.

Gabrielle Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:42 PM EST

Apologies if I am repeating things that have already been said 100 times in this message board, but at 11:30pm and two kids with colds, I don't have the time or energy to read them all right now. So here it is... Whitney's right. There is something about the anonymity and instant gratification of posting on boards that seems to make some people feel as if what they have to say should be given equal weight to the words of the original writers: Josh, Michael, Jeff, Dalton, Annie, and yes, Whitney. Well I'm sorry folks, but there is a reason that EW (I'm using just EW as the basis of my argument - but feel free to generalize) has hired them to do the writing, the critiquing, the studying of the pop-culture world. They are good at it! The writing/blogging staff at EW is so intelligent, witty, fun, and inciteful. I too get irritated by having to read the postings of some hack with anger issues. I'm sorry, but your words are rarely going to "grab" me like the EW writers' do.

Marci Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:09 PM EST

You know, the more I think about it, the more insulting I find this post. It's condescending to all the readers. It's as if Whitney is miffed that some people dare have opinions. We, the stupid masses, are far too uneducated form our own opinions and when we do we do "irreparable damage to an intellectual tradition that stretches back thousands of years: that of the cultural critic. The word 'critic'...implies a certain level of scholarship, perspective, education, aesthetic/historical understanding, and calm, considered, reasoned thinking." You know, if people who challenge your opinion are such a threat to your "intellectual tradition" than maybe you should ask them to stop subscribing to your magazine and stop reading your blog. Because I'm quite sure there are many people who would rather read just about anything else than another "woe is me, no one appreciates my intellectual gift" lecture.

OnTheOtherSideOfTheWorld Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:02 PM EST

I can't believe that so many comments posted for this pathetic blog entry by the pasteurized Pastorek is busy trying to kiss her ass.

I like and agree with what Harp, Delon, sam and junior had said.

This EP SATO character is a COMPLETE and UTTER LOSER!!! Is he for real?!?

Roni Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:49 PM EST

Hey while everybody is debating about message boards, critics, etc., why don't we do something more productive.

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An interesting read about what they can do for the children of Afghanistan with the money you donate:http://fieldnotes.unicefusa.org

UCB Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:36 PM EST

A user named JUNIOR has this posted below, but since it is very well said and that i agree with him 100% i'm gonna copy and paste it here one more time:

''Can I get a big W-H-A-T-E-V-E-R for this article? Whitney, let's talk about what's really important here and it has nothing to do with You(TM). Comment boards drive visits to blogs like this one, where your company wants to sell ads (which weren't here last year), to make money, for THEMSELVES! You(TM) are not "doing irreparable damage to an intellectual tradition that stretches back thousands of years," the company that wants to sell ads to make money is, so take your sob story to them. As a fellow journalist, I cannot believe you're complaining to readers about this. It's not their fault, it's Time, Inc.''

Bravo, buddy. Well said. I must say that i'm not a journalist myself, but i cannot believe she is complaining to readers about this, either.

Last note:Whitney, i only liked you when you were recapping ANTM.

Delon Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:19 PM EST

Oh, Whitney it's not like you're writing for The Guardian, The Times, Le Monde, International Herald Tribune, El Pais, Newsweek, etc.The quality of comments appear on boards is in direct correlation to the quality of the publication they appear in. Check out the websites for those newspapers and magazines and you'll see a tremendous difference in what the readers say and the way they say it.You mention Kael, but she wouldn't be caught dead near a magazine like EW, which is truly crass in the eyes of any self-respecting intellectual.It's nice that you are inspired by the greats of art criticism, but you can't be all high and mighty and take yourself too seriously when you are a blog host for the fricking EW. I mean even the abbreviation says ew!

Andy Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:15 PM EST

Stop reading the comments, Whitney. I certainly don't.

daisyj Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 05:34 PM EST

No worries, EP, I was just joshing you. Things are getting too dang serious around here.

And a big :D to furry tom-- you totally get my vote for our Bobby/Alice.
(And just in case you're wondering, it's still legal in nineteen states and the District of Columbia.)

Jason Bonkers Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 05:03 PM EST

Ep Sato: Go sit on it!

furry_tom Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:59 PM EST

RE: If loving furry_tom is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
I don't know. Are we cousins? Even then it's only wrong in about 48 states.*


RE: a few other regulars / No love here, EP?
Daisyj, the Professor/Mary Ann of our Gilligan's Island. How Thurston Howell and Lovey get billing above you is beyond me.


*And that's why you don't leave your full, real name on message boards, because someone's bound to say something über-creepy like that.

Ep Sato Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:46 PM EST

Daisyj, you, Lola, BrandonK and Houstonian Jen are also among my favorite reader/writers. There was no slight intended. I happen to love this blog and find that most "regulars" have good things to add to the discussion. You are definitely in the camp of people who's posts make me think or who make me smile.

On that note, many who posted here today are not regular comment leavers. My friends, PLEASE continue to add to the discussion in the future! One way to make this better is if we all try our best to keep ourselves civil.

The posts getting to the bottom, so thanks to all who participated, and special thanks to Whitney Pastorek for bringing up a very important topic.

Sara Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:46 PM EST

Cute idea, Ep ;) However, I don't subscribe, Sara isn't my real name, and whoever DOES own no@no.com is probably pretty irritated with me...

lola Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:19 PM EST

Thank you for bringing this issue up, Whitney. There have been a number of similar and interesting pieces on Salon, particularly about the rampant misogyny that gets unleashed in a lot of posts, i.e. people saying things anonymously that they would never say in oral public speech. I also think people in this day and age have forgotten that "critique" is not just having an opinion, but an INFORMED opinion. But I also have to ask, if you guys are all so concerned, why have message boards in the first place? Aren't you just encouraging the idiocracy?

daisyj Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:17 PM EST

No love here, EP? That's cold.

Myles Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:17 PM EST

I recently ran into this general reaction while writing my own blog piece. I wrote a review of an on-campus theatre production, and I thought that of the three short plays presented one was far superior to the others. I highlighted the positive qualities of the shows, but I also made sure to note that I felt the writing was subpar.

The entire theatre company now shuns me, whispers behind my back, and some of them legitimately hate me. The justification I received was that people don't like it when people are critical of things they worked hard on...which is basically saying that they don't like criticism. Which I have a serious problem with. Still, I was forced to "apologize" in order to keep an angry West Side Story mob from snapping me into a dark alley way. I do not like a society in which someone can't be critical, simple as that. Whitney, what you've posted here is spot on: keep on truckin', if you will.

Ep Sato Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:12 PM EST

Furry_tom, from what I can tell, you are one of the most loved comment leavers on this board, and for good reason. IMHO, you are witty, funny and always relevant to the subject at hand. Folks like you, the guy who posts as "ME", the Phils, Karla, Stephanie T, Ceballos, Th3dow, Tom Brazelton and a few other regulars don't strike me as the problem.

It's when loudmouth jerks start hating and acting disrespectful that these boards get a bad name. I've been guilty of such crimes before, hence my earlier apology.

The postings on this very blog item have demonstrated that it is indeed possible to have a pretty enlightened discussion. Even those who disagree with Whitlz comment's have done so in an intelligent (and sometimes, appropriately snarky) manner.

For me, the comments sections are a godsend. I love knowing that there are others who take pop culture so seriously because it makes me feel a bit more "normal".

Matthew Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:58 PM EST

Whitney,
I really like reading your write ups. I hope you do not take what a few waste of space maggots say. It is easy to hate and harder to admire. It is jealousy at its finest. I liked your Lost write up. However, I like Doc's cerebral analysis of the show. You are funny and bring a lightness to the write ups. Lost is a show with too much information to digest so most Lost bloggers are not looking for fun and enjoyable but more dissection and over analysis. There are bloggers who do not like Doc's take on lost and would like to have your spin on it.
Do not get discouraged and know that people out there are waiting on pins and needles to read your column after their favorite show.

Marci Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:49 PM EST

Whitney,

I never left any negative comments about you on the Lost TV watch board. But your recaps really did suck. A lot.

furry_tom™ Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:47 PM EST

RE: When people can call themselves Emperor Norton (ahem), they can post whatever they like.
I don't know about that. I think there's more anonymity in Karla than there is in Emperor Norton. A "Karla" will blend into the background on a message board but an "Emperor Norton" demands attention. That's why I don't post as "Tim" like I did when I first came on the scene. There're too many "Tim's". So to keep my comments from being white noise, I invested in a handle that'd make me stick out, for better or for worse.

Oh, and Whitney, I'm sorry that one of my first posts here was blasting you for not liking Joanna Newsom. I was an angry young man then. Now I'm a mellow, slightly-older, young man.

Valerie Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:44 PM EST

Very well said. On the other hand, most people who do read and enjoy the columns you very talented people write also have an opinion, usually on the moderate side. It is sadly a minority of people who bash the opinions of the critic, but they are also the most vocal ones...

Don't be afraid, most people who read your columns, as well as the ones by Dalton, Michael, Josh and many others, are always happy to hear your take on events and shows. We thrive on varied opinions and like the fact that they are well written and articulate. Thanks !

Karla - it's me! Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:32 PM EST

If loving furry_tom is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Karla - it's me! Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:31 PM EST

Yeah EP Sato!

But the problem is - you can post as anyone, and change your pseudonym as many times as you like, which is a major flaw in blog software.

But let's also focus on the ways in which the EW writers invite snarkiness and post to be clever, rather than relevant. It's a real hazard in writing for publication - and with this blog requiring tons of daily posts, you can often see the EW writers just flinging out throwaway stuff that they haven't thought about clearly.

If the online community were more functional, that wouldn't matter so much, but nowadays, it really does matter.

Civil, functional societies require everyone to be aware of their foibles.

Nancy Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:30 PM EST

Whitney, I remember that Lost TV Watch. Those Lost commenters are a unique group. You need to be specifically geekified to fit in with that crowd. Sometimes Jensen can't even please them.
You're one of my favorite writers here - don't change a thing. And remember, there are idiots everywhere. In the days before comment boards, the person who had to read the "Letters to the Editor" probably found the same percentage of "special" comments. You have discernment to sort through the good and bad -- now start ignoring the bad. On a positive note, most posters on ew.com use "could have" instead of "could of," and properly use "you're/your," "there/their," "too/to." They generally write in full sentences, too! Believe me, I've seen a LOT worse. I'm glad you wrote about this subject. Keep up the great work.

Ally Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:30 PM EST

Wah, Wah Wah Whitney! This is but a perfect example of someone who likes to dish it but cannot take it.

furry_tom™ Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:25 PM EST

Yeah, but there's no telling what they'd consider obnoxious. My constant barrage of non-sequiturs and obscure references could be considered obnoxious, and I don't want to lose a toe.

Ep Sato Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:17 PM EST

EW's writers should pick the 10 most obnoxious comment leavers. They can get the addresses by comparing the emails to the magazine's mailing list. Then, the writers could go to the jobs of these commenters and spend 8 hours harrassing them as they attempt to get their work done.

Seinfeld proposed that stand up comedians should do this to hecklers, but I could see this working with commenters as well.

Rick Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 02:17 PM EST

If you want to know how to fix message boards, seems to me the key is having an active moderation staff and setting unbreakable rules. One board I know has a "no personal attacks" rule it extends to artists like Taylor or even Sanjaya, another one has a no attacking posters and stick to the subject rule (cept in designated threads), it's a combo of these that would make a great public forum.

But, on thread/blogs? If you dish it out, expect it back, I suppose. If Michael Slezak is going to attack Haley after she's off the show, he should expect flack for it. His article yesterday could have lived without the catty remark he made. But that seems to be part of the "sassy" style of "hip" journalism these days.

So if columnists can "bring it" with professional, mature commentary, cool. Otherwise, the bedlam we have is the bedlam we have.

Karla - it's me! Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:56 PM EST

Thanks Sara for the F-Wad reference. Now THAT's what I'm talking about.

You know, I was going to post my full name, because anonymity really can lead people to write things they never would if they were held accountable.

But then I thought - hmmm, many of the trolls on these EW boards seem to be pretty ugly and unprincipled people. Could I be less safe if I were to post under my whole name?

I'm really interested in how to keep a board from devolving into a nasty troll-fest, since I'm designing a website now.

I have to be honest, I don't have the time it seems to take to moderate a board in today's wretchedly uncivil online world.

Besides ironhanded moderation (and communal leadership), how do the good sites create worthwhile online chat environments?

ryan's mom Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:31 PM EST

Why don't you let us - the stupid 'bunnies' that subscribe to your magazine, um thanks! - force rank the writers for EW? Then watch as Ken, Dalton, Owen and Jeff rise to the top for their writing and critiquing skills. Don't go to the dark side of some of your peers Whitney - there's still hope for you.

Sara Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:27 PM EST

You can't please all the people all the time. Take Vanessa, the ANTM blogger. She gets slammed all the time for her writing skills. When she doesn't add personality, she's attacked for being too boring. When she adds personality, she's attacked for being too glib. She just can't win.

Along those lines, you or Slezak were the only writers who would probably be trusted to write this, because you're probably the most popular two. Anyone else would've been flamed before they could get the first sentence on paper, just for bringing the topic up.

Penny Arcade has a theory on why people act the way they do. Google for the "Greater Internet F-wad Theory" (unedited version, of course). Anonymity is power!

I'm also a firm believer that the rudest people are the ones who've never worked in customer service. I did my time as a cashier and a waitress, and try to be polite to everyone.

Fluffy Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:14 PM EST

Actually, Whitney's pal did make fun of Hicks. He essentially categorized the singer as a knowledgable performing monkey who is good to his fans. And hence the problem -- while we definitely need critics in the world, critics often are lukewarm or tired of things that have considerable merit, and they do get professional points for being wittily nasty. They also buy into the idea that high and low culture must be two different things, and act acordingly. Readers can now go on the Net and post the things they used to shout at the newspaper or t.v., and critics are just going to have to learn how to deal with it. Since we need someone to shout at, critics aren't going anywhere. It would be nice if they dropped the death threats, but there are a lot of mentally disturbed folk out there -- as we've seen in recent days.

Julie Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:10 PM EST

Can we please stop thinking that spell-check alone will find all written errors? I fear for our children (and adults alike) who don't seem to be aware that running a spell-check will not catch that you have written "two" when you meant "too." The meaning is not the same.
As far as the nature of the discourse on many message boards, there is no question it is full of unmeaningful insults from all sides. I think one thing that is contributing to the vitriol of it is a lot of people's frustrations that the media has been monopolized by a narrow group of idealogues for years now. Many feel as though this small group of people use their access as bully pulpits and a place to marginalize entire groups of people that the media sees as beneath themselves. Perhaps when the media stops giving the microphones and airtime to those that scream the loudest and most rudely the tone of conversation in this country will change.

SuzeQ Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:08 PM EST

Whitney,

You work in a medium that invites your readers to post comments. If you are uncomfortable with these comments then perhaps you should go back to your "boring day job" as I feel that your article was very condescending. If the "invited comments" are not to your liking perhaps you belong in a print magazine as opposed to an on-line mag. I'm sure everyone who blogs for ew.com wants comments on their articles. These comments mean that people are reading you and have an opinion on what you are writing.

Karla - it's me! Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:04 PM EST

I want to change directions and celebrate the posters in here who are intelligent, educated, interesting, funny, and relevant.

It's true that mean-spirited and unthoughtful people are everywhere. Heck, the average IQ is 100. But I wouldn't come to these boards if there weren't some danged funny fellow posters to e-hang out with.

I've been one of the people saying - hey dudes, take your racist, sexist, xenophobic trolliness elsewhere and leave this inner site alone!

It's important for people to speak up about abuses, and for civil society to flourish.

In that vein, I'd ask the EW writers who post to PopWatch to double check their posts before they upload them. Sometimes, they're an invitation to snark, but really good snark is an extremely rare skill. Most people just use it as an excuse to poop on anything in their path. Be better mentors.

For some excellent, offbeat, wacky, and mostly adult snark, control F in some posts and look for furry_tom's responses.

BassSinger Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:00 PM EST

I have witnessed many character assassinations in comments calling the writers of various write-ups incompetent... and other names. It has always irritated me wading through their comments to find ones that have something thoughtful to say. I usually don't care what the posters say and thus don't post too much because then I would have one of those posts that would be disregarded.

It cracks me up that every single comment about your essay is a calmly worded paragraph of spelled checked prose when most comments struggle to follow any sort of grammatically structure. Thank you for making us think.

andy Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 12:47 PM EST

I was just having this discussion with my mother this weekend as she was perusing the book review section of the LA Times. I asked her if she ever read any of the books that they reviewed and her answer was no. I told her about how much I look forward to getting my EW and getting to the reviews section, as they review all types of books, music, and movies. And I look to ew to introduce me to new and interesting things. Without the "cultural critics" I would be left to fend for myslef in a morass of popular nothingness.

Critics should and do have thier own opinion of what they like. The job of a good critic, is to put aside personal basis and report on the essence of the thing they are reviewing.

Message board commentors have no such job. They are stymied by no such ethics and need only express thier opinion.

Kevo Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 12:45 PM EST

I love your references to Time's choice of You (TM) as person of the year for 2007. While I think people have become more immersed and interactive in pop culture and each other thanks to Myspace and Youtube and the like, I do not think they are nearly as influencial as the media thinks. Myspace and Youtube were created as one thing: timewasters. I think the reason they took off like they did is because they were embraced by people like me: bored high school and college kids who have access to the internet and too much free time. To quote Demetri Martin of The Daily Show, discussing YouTube: "The only think I love better than watching TV is watching it smaller and blurrier."

Rose Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 12:42 PM EST

esme - I'm kind of with you on this one. Whitney, with all due respect to the nobel profession of critic, I think your post says:

Why are the ignorant, smelly masses allowed to voice their stupid, worthless opinions when only an elite few like myself have the training, education and background to give real, professional criticism! (Kind of like practicing medicine without a license, right?)

and the majority of responses from the masses seems to be:

Yea, the masses sux! My opinion is they should keep their dummy opinions to themselves!

This is kinda surreal, actually!

Just a note - why do people post their opinions on message boards? For the same reason that dude climbed the mountain - because they are there.

EWfan Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 12:32 PM EST

I agree with you that message board posters can be incredibly rude and some think it is perfectly alright to belittle and threaten someone just because they do not agree that Lost or American Idol is the greatest thing mankind ever produced. My advice Whitney: ignore them and continue to write what you think; if people do not agree with what you write, than that's their problem.

chardonna Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 12:02 PM EST

While I agree that some comments go way over the line in taste, I think if we're to look at this sociologically, EW is part to blame. I often see people who comment here re-quoted by the writers because they've said something in a way that makes them laugh. It eggs people on in these comments to be as obnoxious and colorful in the language that they choose because they know that it might give them some warped sense of celebrity to be re-quoted by one of your colleagues in a later post!

t3hdow Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:58 AM EST

Joe C:


Are you kidding me? David Browne was one of the best music reviewers in EW and it sucks that he's gone. I couldn't help but laugh through his amusing review of Ashlee Simpson's CD "I Am Me" because he emphasized how manufactured it felt, along with her career. Honestly, who's disagreed with that claim, especially after the SNL incident? And what do you mean by slandering the fans with his reviews? I read through his reviews of Eminem's CDs. Even the ones with the lower scores, he acknowledges his talents and doesn't completely insult him, despite stating he's a narcissist at times (which is true). It's a shame readers like you would call him smug, making him completely irrelevant in your eyes.

Hooray Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:55 AM EST

I don't know if anyone is still reading these comments since it is long past the post, but I just wanted to say Congrats on this great article! I adore reading TV watches and Popwatch, it keeps me entertained and informed at work. But now every time I read an article, I am disgusted with the illiterate fools who are posting comments. The only comments I end up posting myself are usually ones defending the poor writers who are being attacked. I think that is one of the huge problems in this country today... ignorant people spew hate at anyone who has a different opinion. What ever happened to welcoming new ideas and opinions and then discussing them on their merits? Even when I completely disagree with an EW review I still look forward to reading it and comparing it to my own thoughts.
Hooray for you Whitney! Keep up the good work!

sheila Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:51 AM EST

An honest review, from writers who know what they're talking about, is what people want. That would mean that the writer has some actual knowledge/education about the subject.

When a writer critiques a performance, i.e. of Taylor Hicks, and has on numerous occasions stated that he "hated" Hicks on Idol, what should a reader expect?

When a critic has acknowledged he loves rock music, and believes Daughtry should have won American Idol, shouldn't it be questioned, if he writes a scathing, insulting review of Mr. Hicks?

When critics resort to labeling people with names they think are funny or snarky, but that are in reality, nasty and mean-spirited, should fans just ignore the article, or should they respond - since comments are asked for? If critics don't bother to do their "homework" and just copy and paste from other sources, often shouldn't they be "called" on their laziness?

Integrity? A review? Call it what it is. A chance to be a bully and get away with it.

Mike Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:46 AM EST

I agree with "Harp" below. A LOT of EW's reviews, and most of popwatch/TV watch, is written for fans. Rich and Christgau have aesthetics; we may disagree with them but they have artistic sensibilities applied to their reviews. They aren't just fans. OOH, if EW set itself up as a pop culture version of Art Forum, no one would read it. Mass culture has fragmented and the majority of people who now read "reviews" are fans. I'd most likely NEVER read a Taylor Hicks review, not being a fan; most who do would be fans.

That said, I still think there should be a place for people who can say, "Avril Lavigne is ripping off Tony Basil's cheerleading schtick." IOW, people who have a historical knowledge of culture and something resembling an aesthetic. It can't ALL be fandom, if only because that's what all the marketer's want: clearly segmented groups with clearly defined likes and dislikes. I continue to hope humanity is more complex than this and art (and some criticism) lends me hope

Diana Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:34 AM EST

Over-sensitive fan bases can really be detrimental to the artist's career. Ive seen a lot of posts from Claymates that DJs won't play Clays music because the fanclub was so fanatical in the beginning. That said, why do critics have to try and be so "witty and cute" when writing their opinion. It is after all, just an opinion. We all have one. But some critics are so over the top, and post incorrect info that makes you think that critic never saw the show. I've read a lot of those. A critic isn't going to make me see or not see a show or listen to a cd. But why can't it just be written to the point without degrading, unneccessary attacks on the artist? Thats my beef with critics.

Ryan Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:31 AM EST

The line between "critic" and "reader" is also increasingly blurred in a generation accustomed to interaction. Facebook, MySpace, etc, encourages and democratizes dialogue (and yes, at times devolves it). I myself am wary of the term "critic" since it can get people into a intellectual argument devoid of real-world applications. I'm not looking for a "critic". I'm looking for someone who has something worthwhile to say. Merely being part of a published magazine does qualify one as a critic. Merely being a blogger doesn't qualify someone as a louse with nothing to say. In the end, it just comes down to content, pure and simple. If you've got something worthwhile to say, you've provided some value, pure and simple. Wading through the muck to find the gold may be hard work, but it's work worth doing, and it's work a generation ago you could never have done. I like what we have now better, quite frankly.

Scotty Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:11 AM EST

And one more comment...
There will always be people who use personal attacks and irrational, emotional words to force their way of thinking on you or hide their lack of intelligent thought on the topic at hand (you only have to look to the White House for evidence of that). But, as long as you, as a writer and critic, don't take them heart and let it affect that way you direct or structure your own commentary, you won't be giving credence to them.

Scotty Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:10 AM EST

In a strange way, I think particularly at EW who actually listens to their readers, critics such as you have actually become better, more honest because you are held more accountable for your opinions by those who choose to post and comment when those opinions aren't backed by any support. I am sorry to hear that anyone would question the value of your birth simply because of a Lost review and I also hate to hear your friend was lambasted for daring to call Taylor Hicks out for some lackluster vocals. But, as EPSato so astutely commented, you have to pick through a lot of crap to find the few well thought out comments on these types of boards. And perhaps through the process of pointing out those emotional responses from the rational, people's minds will be opened by difference perspectives and grow. Maybe that’s a little heavy handed for a discussion on whether Blake, Lakeisha or Jordin should join Melinda in the AI finale, but, it really applies to any topic of cultural discussion.

Wendi Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:07 AM EST

I don't have time to read all the comments, so forgive me if this has been expressed before. The people commenting on the message boards already have an opinion and your review isn't going to change their mind. Lots of people who don't usually make comments (such as myself) don't already have an opinion and read reviews to see what the critics think. Whitney, in my opinion, you aren't writing for the message board commenters - you're writing for me. I appreciate the service you and the other critics provide. I just don't comment on it here. I comment on it by spending money on your magazine.

Scotty Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:06 AM EST

Just as critics play an important role in responding to and reviewing cultural works from a certain perspective, so too do critics of those critics who can point out when their criticisms are coming from their own personal biases and not from the educated, thought out, and rational place they should. And there have been some writers at EW that deserved such criticism from time to time. So, on the one hand, I completely agree that when people lose themselves in personal attacks and emotional reactions, they discredit themselves and take away from the debate. But, when people, whether its critics or their commentators, actually formulate articulate arguments, that is when those discussions become relevant and contribute to the greater cultural discussion.

Matt Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:55 AM EST

Well, I think the difference might be that a "critic" HAS to write about the art. They may be a fan, they may dislike the artist, or they may be ambivalent. But they have to write. The people writing on the comment boards are people who feel strongly one way or the other. So, it's almost exclusively the lovers or the haters. And they're biased. Now, I'm not saying that the critic isn't biased, but it's their job to be more objective. The bloggers don't need that, and they'll, 9 times out of 10, just write how much they love or hate the artist.

Dave Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:55 AM EST

(Continuation of Post Below) Cultural critics are not that different. One can argue that they are either educating the public or the performer or possibly both simultaneously. The problem is that the internet has made "free speech" TOO free. Anyone can post anything AND anyone can access anyone's postings. As such, the commercial value of the written word, and the education, craft, and care behind it is devalued. My posting here, while I do not have an education in english, writing, or pop culture has just as much value as yours. But, on the other hand, no one listens to me when I tell them what Architecture they should like. So I guess it sucks for us all...

Dave Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:52 AM EST

The problem with your thesis is that the role of the critic in society is not isolated from commerce. The critic serves a purpose: to educate.

In universities all over the world, we have critics, for the arts, for the sciences, for the humanities. We typically call them professors. A professor is hired by a university and their salary is paid for by students who expect and value good critique of their work. The link here is that because a student pays for this service, he is entitled to the service, therefore it is valued. If the student feels that the service is not valuable, he stops paying for it and goes elsewhere.

Owen Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51 AM EST

Whitney, like most people, learned to use the term "bad" and words of its ilk when she was young. It made her feel smart. Its NOT smart to like things. Its smart to HATE things. She's older now, she's able to see things clearer. But that little portion of the brain that got a teenage jolt of Pavlovian selfgrandizement when saying something is "bad" still kicks in making it feel better to dislike something. No different than a lot of people. But god forbid you're in the elistist position of a critic. I really disliked this article. I really used to like Whitney. I don't now. I really wish she had not written this (though, truth be told, I actually started to dislike her from listening to her on Slezak's "Idolatry" webisodes. Man she is not a nice person.) I've always hated artistis/athletes talking back to thier critics. Now the critics are talking back? Make it stop!

Nix Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:43 AM EST

Kudos to you Whitney. I have also seen many people on message boards take a critic of performance as a personal attack of the artist. There are many people out there who cannot seperate a critique of performance and critique of the person. I thought it was clear from your friend's review that he liked Taylor, but just critiqued his particular performance; it was not an ad hominem. I think the purpose of a critique should be to provide a thesis of why you like or dislike something, providing examples to back up your claim, but without launching into ad hominem attacks. I commend you for bringing up this issue.

melissa Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:40 AM EST

One more thing: I do think professional writers and everyday people alike sometimes confuse a catchy bit of snark with relevant criticism.

linda s Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:40 AM EST

I hope that overall this is simply a phase driven by the fact that technology has made it so easy to respond without requiring reflection on the part of the commenter. For example, when e-mail was new people did not understand that the tone of a message could be perceived differently than how it was intended. I have had strong reactions to messages and fired off a harsh response. It seems to be an instinctive reaction, almost a compulsion, to reply and reply as quickly as possible. Reflection and informed comment are not bad things and should be encouraged and fostered in our society. Maybe if we all were e a little kinder to and more patient with each other, we could understand each other better and make this country a better place to live. Honest, constructive criticism is the only way for any of us to learn the truth about ourselves and strive for improvement. Hopefully, constructive criticism will not become a lost art.

Harp Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:26 AM EST

As a long time EW subscriber, I've read hundreds of reviews. I can remember only a few that were true "critiques" and not "This is lame/cool, and here's why." It seems to me that a majority of EW's critics seem to be trying to force their readers into liking/disliking something. That's not a critic at work, that's an opinionated person. There's a difference and I wonder if EW's writers can delineate the difference. And, honestly, this is EW, not the Times, so the indigination can only go so far. There also seems to be an underlying indication that your audience isn't capable of coming up with an informed decision of our own. It comes across as a bit insulting, especially since you don't actually know the background of your readers.

That being said, I like the reviews, and still read them. But call it what it is, a review based on a person's opinion, not a critique.

PS - as a visitor to numerous boards for years, I could care less about grammar/spelling. No one's getting graded.

Jason Bonkers Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:20 AM EST

I can't decide who the best critic in the world is, but Ep Sato, AKA Popwatch blogger is a geat columnist. I hope EW hires him.

melissa Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:19 AM EST

(pt 2): I have been disappointed, frustrated and annoyed at how mean and critical people can be when someone shares an opinion unlike their own. If this post includes a typo, will someone post a response just to make fun of me (and not even related to the topic at hand)? Some people seem to jump on any tiny thing, losing the point in the process. And why is it that we think we're entitled to all our ridiculously critical, derisive attacks on the people who write the content for this website/magazine? I'm not saying let's be polite to a fault, but we could stand to take a minute and really think about what we're saying before we drag every message board into a place festering with hostility.

We could stand to heed this advice: "My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry" (James 1:19). Seems fitting, no?

melissa Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:18 AM EST

Thank you for writing this post and bringing up this subject.

The ease and quickness afforded by message boards, comment sections, etc. open the field up to anyone who wants to say something — which on the one hand is great, but on the other hand reveals that adults are unfortunately not always thinking responsibly when they open their mouths (or, as it were, keyboards). I want to know what other people think and I want to share in a sort of virtual discussion with them; I just wish people would rein in the animosity and unnecessary criticism. It's possible to disagree without being just mean.

Ep Sato Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:17 AM EST

Karla, great points!
To me, reading comments boards is like sifting through a clearance bin. Gems and great finds can be found after sifting through junk.

Isn't that how creative endeavors work, though? Ideas get thrown around and only a few of them are developed in the writer's bullpens of shows and magazines. The comments board is like any bullpen, but lacks a moderator/boss/editor to lead the discussion.

I encourage EW to regulate the boards. Participate in the comments and lead them, then delete bad comments! For the record, if I've ever offended any of you with insults, bad grammar, or poor reading comprehension, I am sorry.

But do not claim the comments have no merit. EW and Popwatch itself frequently encourage (and print the results of) audience participation.

Susan Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:09 AM EST

We will always need critics, bloggers, re-cappers. You are what we re-act too. You find the topic, you essentially give the opening testimony/argument and we respond. I may not always agree with your opinions but I appreciate your pov. Its why I'm reading it.. and commenting back.

Jimmy Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:59 AM EST

The "comments" section on blogs do serve a useful purpose, but I agree that personal attacks on the blogger/critic are reprehensible, and irrational, emotionally-charged comments don't help the cause of the person writing them. I hope you Taylor fans realize that there is a core group of you who come across as bunch of absolute lunatics. You embarrass Taylor and your fellow fans when you rant and rave at any blogger or critic who says anything negative about Taylor. The most extreme example occurred when a golf blogger lamented that A-list celebrities were not going to his favorite golf tournament, and he was seeing B-list guys like Taylor. The Tay-mates personally attacked him, and the blogger responded by calling the Tay-mates a bunch of "desperate housewives." This led to a Soul Patroller writing that her father-in-law was a CFO of a major sporting goods company and she would have him try to get the blogger fired from his company (a newspaper). Rather frightening, don't you think?

Jimmy Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:59 AM EST

The "comments" section on blogs do serve a useful purpose, but I agree that personal attacks on the blogger/critic are reprehensible, and irrational, emotionally-charged comments don't help the cause of the person writing them. I hope you Taylor fans realize that there is a core group of you who come across as bunch of absolute lunatics. You embarrass Taylor and your fellow fans when you rant and rave at any blogger or critic who says anything negative about Taylor. The most extreme example occurred when a golf blogger lamented that A-list celebrities were not going to his favorite golf tournament, and he was seeing B-list guys like Taylor. The Tay-mates personally attacked him, and the blogger responded by calling the Tay-mates a bunch of "desperate housewives." This led to a Soul Patroller writing that her father-in-law was a CFO of a major sporting goods company and she would have him try to get the blogger fired from his company (a newspaper). Rather frightening, don't you think?

Maggie Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:45 AM EST

Whitney writes "Just because you can type into the little box and press "post" doesn't mean you should." She then continues to write "I'm opening the floor to you now, PopWatchers. Because that's what we do in these here modern times, it seems. I write something, you respond." Do you want us to respond to you or not Whitney? Also, I think many of your readers were under the impression that message boards were casual places to share your opinion. Unlike you, we are not fortunate enough to be paid to discuss our likes and dislikes and do not need to make sure grammar and punctuation are perfect. Oh and one more thing, please drop the psuedo-intellectual schtick.

colbyfan Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:40 AM EST

Journalistic criticism "implies a certain level of scholarship, perspective, education, aesthetic/historical understanding, and calm, considered, reasoned thinking" you say and I add good writing skills and a considered lack of bias. EW chooses to pander to the worst of their audience so EW gets vitriolic nasty commentary from readers. Everyone else reads your articles and chooses not to post much at all. It's your own doing. If you want competent reading skills, then write effective critiques and stop trying to influence opinion by bullying. Michael Slezak picks the AI winner at the beginning of each season. Then he spends 12 weeks bashing everyone else - and their fan base. Lisa Schwartzbaum writes unreadable reviews laden with unneccessary adjectives and run-on sentences. You all seem to have lost your love for your subjects - and show enormous contempt for your "positivity and bunnies" audience who read about pop culture because they are in to it.

Joe C Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:35 AM EST

Ya know, Whit, you're one of my favorite writers, but this column was one of your more muddled efforts; I am not sure what your question is.
I'll say this: When I read a 'critic', what I am looking for is a thesis as to why he or she does or doesn't like what they are reviewing, and then back it up. Hopefully they can back it up WITHOUT slamming the artist or the artist's fans. You do it quite well. David Browne who used to be at EW was horrible; he always came across as so smug. I miss him not.
So keep doing what you're doing, Whitney, I like your style.

P.S. If you ever say something negative about Mariah, I want you fired. Just kidding(?)

Lucy Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:31 AM EST

Whitney, you're absolutely right. The problem is, the critical community set their own dismissal in motion when they decided that art itself was more "original" when it was homemade - super-pop art begets super-pop criticism. Improvised, unscripted, shock = brilliance entertainment like "Survivor" (and all its multitude of progeny), MySpace, and "Borat . . ." and the critical attention they have received and continue to receive have taught the audience that the rules don't matter, that it's much more valuable for an entertainer to be an opinionated witness or a new kind of freak than to be a creator or to have an informed point of view. And of course the communications technology explosion has only added fuel to the fire.

So why be shocked? It's a little too late to be sad. If everyone's an artist, everyone's a critic, too. Is this bad? Yep. Will it last? I hope not. Surely we'll get saturated with pointless crap eventually.

junior Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 09:17 AM EST

Can I get a big W-H-A-T-E-V-E-R for this article? Whitney, let's talk about what's really important here and it has nothing to do with You(TM). Comment boards drive visits to blogs like this one, where your company wants to sell ads (which weren't here last year), to make money, for THEMSELVES! You(TM) are not "doing irreparable damage to an intellectual tradition that stretches back thousands of years," the company that wants to sell ads to make money is, so take your sob story to them. As a fellow journalist, I cannot believe you're complaining to readers about this. It's not their fault, it's Time, Inc. Oh, by the way, feel free to check my grammar and spelling. This is why I read Best Week Ever's blog, that and it's funnier. Boo-Yah!

Heather Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:49 AM EST

I've been in the online culture for years, and what I've come to realize is that the mass majority of people want critics to have glowing praise for the show/singer/movie/etc. they love. Online they will vent and rant and act like children in an attempt to get their voice heard. And there are people who like to discuss, look at the positive and the negative of something, discuss in an intelligent and thoughtful manner...those people just tend to avoid the message boards that are overrun by those that wish to scream into the wind in favor of message boards where actual discussion is welcome. No board is perfect, as in the electronic age people have an elevated sense that their voice is so very important (heck, I'm leaving this comment, aren't I?). The immediacy of posting a comment lends a false sense of security, but also lends to posting inanity that most wouldn't get around to were they to have to apply pen to paper and mail something.

Patti Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:37 AM EST

Whiney complainers (the public posters, not the critics) have always been with us. Unfortunately now everyone has to read their opinions. So instead of the old-fashioned walking away when I was tired of hearing someone's b.s., I just skip their posts are read the ones that are actually germane to the discussion. Posters who criticize the reviewer, spelling, etc complain about everything. Just be glad you don't have to go to dinner with them and cringe while they send back their $5 burger.

ZZTop Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:23 AM EST

The critic doesn't want to be criticized? Ugh. If you expect your critiques and analyses to be valued and worshipped for their "insights" or whatever you think it is that you're doing here week after week, then other people can't respond to that criticism in ways that they see fit, especially when they see you as being wrong? Guess I'm on the side of those to rally against now. Where is Michael Slezak? He's the better writer anyway.

Todd Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:22 AM EST

Wow, and now I myself have posted a sloppy post. I meant to say below that sometiems the recaps don't accurately reflect a particular show or program.

Todd Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:20 AM EST

I agree wholeheartedly that "real" criticism is valuable and important. And I love coming to EW as a primary source of criticism and commentary. Unfortunately, I've read many EW pieces online that were sloppy. They were poorly written, or contained misspellings, or didn't accurately show being recapped, etc. When this happens, it severely undercuts your argument that professional criticism in general, and EW in particular, is a cut above the commoners that post in the message boards.

Dave Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:20 AM EST

The public used to rely on the critics because there was no other way to get access to enough information to want to take a chance a movie, CD or play.

I can go to YouTube and watch video of a concert I may want to attend, or watch an episode of a TV show I'm curious about. The public is no longer at the mercy of the critic.

In this age of instant access to information it is ridiculous to read a review where the critic did not do the research and worst of all is using another blog or critic's opinion as a reference point. When I read a review of a concert where the critic stayed for 3 songs, got the setlist wrong, mocks the artist and spends more time on reviewing the crowd than the music then I say the critic has become unreliable and irrelevant.

kelde Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:18 AM EST

Thank God, Whitney, you addressed this.
Critics have to know when and where to stop taking what is said personally. I could not and got out of it long ago. I'm glad I did -- the message boards of today would have sent me to the funny farm.
And to call someone, anyone, an "alcoholic manhater" just because they disagree with an interpetation of a band's music -- that computer moniter must be a mirror.

Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:05 AM EST

I'm happy to see so many positive responses to this post. I've always been baffled by people who say critics (of movies, TV, and music, but especially of books) are snobby and their opinions don't count more than anyone else's. Good critics are well-versed in their subject matter, and they DO know more about it than the rest of us. It's like saying a doctor and a person off the street know equally well how to treat a patient. The doctor knows more! I have strong opinions about what I like and don't like, but I understand the importance of critics. I also expect the critics to do their homework and to write well, so we can trust their opinions. EW usually does a good job on that front.

BrandonK Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:00 AM EST

Whitney, I just want to chime in and say I've always enjoyed your writing and especially your humor, and comment boards are no substitute for good writing and criticism. It's nice to be able to give feedback and discuss pop culture (or whatever), but I don't think we should or could replace professional writers and critics. I've noticed that in posts some people are incedibly rude, as well, and I think EW.com is one of the nicer environments.

fredric Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:21 AM EST

I might not always agree on your taste, Whitney (we often disagree with those we love, I'll chalk it up to that), but I respect what you've said here, brave as it is to post. It's difficult to say *why* people react the way they do - but you have to concede that negative people like that exist. When their fave artist is criticized, they are hurt, and their only reaction (the wrong one) is to wound in return. They win if you react to it because that's their mission - to get a reaction. In the words of Zoolander, "words can only hurt you if you read them. don't play their game."

Kath Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:16 AM EST

The first place I come to when I want a review or commentary on anything pop cultureis EW. Whitney, I have been reading you guys for years and I always value the EW writers over anyone else. I sort of feel like I am one of the silent majority, who values what you write and sticks with you over the long run, and comes to know all the reviewers styles and interests.

Jennifer Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:57 AM EST

I'm probably just repeating what's already been said here, but I really loved that you posted about this, Whitney. I'm all for comments and message boards when there's real discussion there (kind of this post!) but I know that with the free for all that's the Internet these days that's not always the case. But I hope the bad stuff doesn't reduce the role of critics to summarizing and being positive about everything. I mean, if anything, I think that critic reviews are what really drive great discussions and that's what some of out here are looking for. Keep up the good work, Whitney!

cranky Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:55 AM EST

Most everything I thought has been said, so I'll just say--Got your back on this one, Whitney! Keep up the good fight!

Kate Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:17 AM EST

Criticism - the process of describing, analyzing, interpreting, and judging works of art.

There will always be a place for informed criticism - for comment and articles that provide a context for the artwork, that remind you of the history of the artist and their previous work and that that encourage you to form your own opinion. That encourage you to view the artwork for decide yourself if it appeals to your sense of the aesthetic, is it thought-provoking or moving or is it simply entertainment intended to transport you briefly to another world.

Criticism is not an end itself - it is meant to be the start a conversation and conversations are usually more interesting when there isn't any yelling.

idg Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:43 AM EST

I agree with you. I read the comments after articles and it amazes me how some take an article as a personal affront or slam it for it's ignorance. I can only say, that the writer of the article has succeeded in making a career out of writing for a national paper or magazine, so obviously they're doing something right.

I wonder that people actually have that much time to sit around and do nothing but belittle others.

Yes, there is a difference between a reviewer and a marketer - reviewers should not market, they should say what they feel about the product/song/book.

daisyj Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 02:01 AM EST

By the way, what time zone is this board in? Because I could have sworn Eastern Standard was three hours ahead of Pacific.

daisyj Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:54 AM EST

I like comment boards. I also like intelligent, well-written and funny articles by professional writers, and I like them for different reasons. The boards can be fun because they let us amateur pop-culture obessesives get our geek on in a (presumably) friendly setting. At least in my case, it makes me more engaged in the articles I'm reading, because I have a place to offer a response, rather than simply consume them. I don't like the anonymous/hateful and/or brainless comments, but I try to consider them just a fact of this new form of communication, like sandflies at the beach. We all know people get nuts on the internet, but I refuse to let them spoil my fun.

(And, speaking as someone with a blog read by only a few, where the only anonymous poster is my mom, because she doesn't want to embarass me, I have to ask: Is it really worse to have your work torn apart in the public eye than to have it fade off into the ether(net)?) (Actually, now that I think of it, it probably is.)

DLM Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:53 AM EST

Whitney, I am a young, aspiring critic, and even just starting out, I am dismayed at the lack of thoughtfulness that prevades the modern communications super-highway. And it's not just message boards and blogs. Between talk radio, political punditry, and "Borat," it feels like we're descending into a society where instant shock and vitriol are replacing reason and good taste. And the anonymity of the internet makes it easier for the hateful to spew their garbage without consequence.

Thank you for writing this refreshing commentary on criticism. It's a much needed tonic for those of us who still care about the words they use and how they use them.

Country Fans Are Hilarious Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:32 AM EST

Whitney, I was one of the few who rallied to your defense in that whole Rascal Flatts mess. I don't believe what you saw in that thread was what the average EW.com commenter is about--those folks were clearly trolling, having been alerted to your review on their own message board and recruited to ATTACK!!! in defense of their favorite band.
But I do see what you mean, and I'm disheartened to read that you're questioning your validity in the face of these idiots. I'm very passionate about US politics and love to express my opinion about the state of our government, but does that mean I should run for President in 2008? No! It means I have an opinion, same as everyone else. My opinion doesn't make me special, nor does it qualify me for a job I feel someone else is doing poorly. A person who feels that his personal opinion makes him an expert on a particular subject has, at best, a poor grasp of reality and clearly cannot be trusted.
Don't let the haters get you down!

I'm With Ya Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:03 AM EST

Hey, Whit, your post really struck a chord with me. I myself maintain a popular blog, and keeping crazies at bay has been a nightmare. I love that ppl love my blog, but at some point negative people need to quit hiding behind their computers and fake screennames. (Heh, or maybe it's better they stay there.) Point is, this is entertainment, but it's not entertaining anymore when people get so negative and sometimes even personal. It's sad.

LaRochelle89 Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 12:24 AM EST

I am a high school teacher. Please believe me when I tell you that it gets worse. I teach another language yet my monolingual students think I'M the idiot. I'm surprised you haven't heard from their mothers regarding your hurtful blog entry. BTW: Your blog will be distributed and discussed in class.

t3hdow Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:41 PM EST

I must admit that the only time I didn't enjoy your writing Whitney is when you did the Lost recaps. Although the other pieces of writing you've done in EW soars, your prose falls flat in a mythology-filled, mystery show such as Lost. Your reality show TV watches on the other hand are exceptional.


Anyway, I subscribed to Entertainment Weekly because I get to read well written articles by critics such as yourself. It would be a shame to see the modern day critic facing obsolescence because of the average message board trolls, spewing vitroil fueled comments. I see it all the time in EW.com. Not one week passes without seeing half the forum requesting Lisa Schwartzbaum to get fired for her opinions on the movie of the week; or Ken Tucker getting lambasted for his criticisms and differing thoughts on this season of 24 (in his defense, season 6 has been lacking). It just gets tiring to read after a while. Although I love the magazine, I'm not fond of the less intelligent EW readers.

yothere Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:34 PM EST

Some random thoughts on the topic...
Whitney - you are a very fine critic. You have intelligence and humour - great combination.
Critics have fans; artists have alot more.
I was a newspaper music critic for 17 years.
My old mentor told me:"It is the role of the critic to be loathed and feared."
He didn't mind that; a woman like me did mind it at times.
Sometimes, it was the loneliest job in the world.
The critic's role is to stand apart, aside, aloof and give a consdiered informed opinion about why This is better-executed than That. It's not about telling other people "what to think" but expressing precisely what you think, for other people's consideration (often including the artists who are being discussed.)
To me the critic's job is over at the end of the sentence.
Period.
And yet.
Critics still have the influence (not power)to change people's lives.
Personally I am much happier now, without the profession.
It's as noble as the critic is.
Integrity rules.

Jessica Rabbit Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:06 PM EST

mmmmm....bunnies....

Reid Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:59 PM EST

Can we also address the fact that while, yes, critics on this site shouldn't pander to the fans, I don't think it's particularly worthwhile to have writers who openly dislike what they're writing about as a whole (ala Studio 60)... I love how the critics on this page disect the parts of show, but once they start hating the sum of those parts, they become much less usefull...

Houstonian Jen in Balitmore Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:48 PM EST

Whitney, it's funny you wrote this post. I was reading the Popwatch review on the CMT awards earlier today. What began as the poster commenting on Jeff Foxworthy's snarky jokes about the Dixie Chicks escalated into Blue State/Red State Civil War in the comments sections over the poster and the Chicks. I was going to comment, but decided to save my breath. What's the point? When did posters get so mean? Can't we have a discussion without being nasty? And what's the point of getting so nasty and serious over the Dixie Chicks? or Taylor Hicks? or America's Next Top Model? There are so many other things in the world to get angry about. Some people around here who need to stop and meditate for a second. It's great to be passionate about art and pop culture, but let some things slide.


By the way, EW.com writers (W. Pastorek, M. Slezak, D.Ross, A. Barrett, etc., etc., etc.): you entertain me everyday. Keep up the good work!

Rian Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:43 PM EST

Wow. I have never posted here before, but this post moved me to do so. I pride myself on being a very opionated and thoughtful person. For me, the place of a critic is not to tell me what I can or cannot like, but rather, to lead me to look critically at what I'm watching, reading, or listening to; in an effort to really get to the heart of why I like what I like, and vice-versa. The only time I really don't have any respect for an opposing viewpoint is when it is articulated poorly. EW Writers, please don't be disheartened by the comments of a few borderline illiterate people. Remember who your readers are. Your die-hard readers are not those who threaten you with sausage sodomy or those who spell "sucks" with an x. Your readers appreciate the thoughtful, humorous discourse that you all provide in your magazine and on this website. Keep up the good work!

J Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:39 PM EST

But, Whitney, it's not your place to consider yourself in the league of Kael and even Rich (Who Has Lost His Mind Now He's Paid Content Again). That reputation is given, not earned. Of course, I'm one of those people who consider all critics, yes even those who call themselves 'kritikos', to be ancillary entities to lives that actually matter. I suggest getting someone you love to hug you, because this is a self-esteem issue. (As are most things in pop culture these days.)

David Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:36 PM EST

Well said Whitney, you're the best!

Shelley Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:31 PM EST

I love EW's reviews...whether I agree or not. I like reading a different perspective than mine...especially one with humor and intellect.

However, I've followed Taylor Hicks since AI last year online at GrayCharles.com and then with my own blog. So trust me when I tell you as someone who has been a part of the ridiculous world of the Soul Patrol...the problem ain't you and Keyes.

A large percentage of online Taylor fans are just flat out crazed. I've gotten my own butt in a sling before for criticizing the Great Gray-Haired One.

When it comes to Taylor Hicks...unless you sing his praises...you're going to get pummeled by folks who live for online drama. It wouldn't matter if you made the most logical and compelling argument ever...then sprinkled it candy and kittens. One ill world is guaranteed to incite virtual riots.

But...do I think one day the point of your job will be moot? Nah...people love a good fight. So, high brows will be enlightened...low brows will be a fightin'.

NIck R. Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:24 PM EST

Frankly, it's writers like you (Whitney), Dalton Ross and Mike Slezak who inspire me to do the same thing. It is sooo my dream to work for EW and has been for a long time. (Almost Famous, but a little nerdier!). There will always be people who have an opposing point of view; the only problem is that it tends to be the really dim and annoying who will voice their opinions the loudest, or ALL IN CAPS, or with superfluous exclamation points. Disregard the haters and keep doing your thing!

Karla - it's me! Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:49 PM EST

And no, Whitney, intelligent people don't need critics to be head-bowing PR monkeys for movies or television shows or musical artists. We want to know what you think, which is why you're being paid. EW don't hire no dummies!

I like reading you because you've got such a distinctive point of view, both as a critic AND as a humorist.

But note the self-limiting word in my first sentence, above.

Oh, and Lori - wahahahahahahahhaah.

Yousofunny!

DollyPinTN Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:46 PM EST

Thanks for your articles/reviews/press releases/commentary! ha ha

It struck a chord b/c I was commenting on another board how we not to "stop all the hatin', America!"

Seriously.

Brad Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:45 PM EST

Ned, if you are going to criticize someone else's writing, you'd better be darn sure you check your own grammar and spelling first. If you don't, you might just look like a jerk.

Whitney, whether or not I agree with your reviews, I always enjoy and appreciate your well thought out, humorous postings and articles. The same goes for the rest of the EW writers. I implore you to keep doing what you're doing!

Bobbie Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:39 PM EST

I find it a little perturbing that PopWatch, which turns blog items into reader-generated captions for EW.com photo essays, is suddenly denigrating the entire idea of message boards and their validity. I feel like my hand just got bit....and hard! And now I freakin have to spell check my comments, too?

Mike in Moncton Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:39 PM EST

Hi Whitney. I didn't read the criticisms of anyone about Taylor Hicks, because I don't need to. I got the gist of all of it from your reactions.

I know e-mails like this won't get any kind of reaction from you or your peers either, because you tend to focus on the ones that are most offensive. But let it be said by my humble self that I DO appreciate an educated point of view from the likes of you, Dalton Ross and Owen Glieberman. You people are a reference point for me on what's crap and what isn't so I won't waste my time with something where I know I won't get that time back in my life. Your views most match my own, thus I refer to you. I like Roger Ebert most; Most critics I don't really like though because I don't agree with their views. BUT...I still want them to be heard.

Carry on, and don't let the Insane Imposter Posse on the message boards sway you from what you write. PLEASE.

eby Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:38 PM EST

I almost never comment, however I have enjoyed reading the above comments so much today I just had add my voice.

I love your articles, Whitney.

Ian Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:29 PM EST

Thank you Whitney..... that's all I need to say!

Roger Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:24 PM EST

Tell me I'm asking if its a open debate are we not intitled to reply with open opioions even if it is different from others or are you looking for perfection.This is a question.

Karla - it's me! Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:23 PM EST

I have to say that one of the central invitations for offensive posts is anonymity. When people can call themselves Emperor Norton (ahem), they can post whatever they like, and no one can call them on it.

For me, this inner PopWatch board is like a community, and I often enjoy reading the posts. However, the external boards are sometimes just vomit-covered rooms. Yick.

But in here, I know that if EP Sato, or Ceballos, or furry_tom or Stephanie Travitsky (and others)write, it will probably be funny, relevant, or interestingly tangential. People have gone on some great jazzy riffs in here.

But anonymous, cranky, obscene, prejudiced, and thoughtless responses are a stone drag. I totally understand why so many sites are shutting down their message boards.

Thanks for mentioning TV W/O Pity, which has created a worthwhile online community. Educated, paid critics are cool, but it's important that we consumers of the entertainment industrial complex have a voice too.

Roger Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:22 PM EST

Tell me I'm asking if its a open debate are we not intitled to reply with open opioions even if it is different from others or are you looking for perfection.This is a question.

Lori Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:17 PM EST

Great stuff, as usual, Whitney! Journalists - and especially critics - serve a vital purpose to our society. If it were up to the public, we'd have George Bush for a president and Sanjaya as one of the top 7 "American Idol" contestants...um, oops. OK, see why critics are so important?? Keep up the great work and don't let idiots like "Dave Matthews" get you down

brett Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:04 PM EST

Amen! As a journalism major in school I find myself worrying about this world of blogs and internet hooligans, you're an inspiration.

Ang Knee Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:52 PM EST

"...also the total lack of reading comprehension skills on display...." Yes! It's amazing, perplexing, and then depressing.

I've read a couple other pieces saying similar to this. A writer whose column I read every week with much admiration and delight wrote that she wondered whether she was holding back lately so as not to attract vicious comments. She had stopped reading comments, she said, but she knew they were out there.

It shows a troubling lack of respect for writers and critics when media organizations (obeying the "interactivity" imperative) allow them to be insulted on company property. Maybe enough writers will say "enough," and boards and comment threads will be patrolled or shut down.

Ned Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:51 PM EST

The sad thing that this essay reveals is that Whitney does not appear to be aware of her strenths and weaknesses. She think's she's a legitimate critic, and she's not. What she *is* is a talented humorist. Many of her postings on this site have been hilarious -- I suspect her excellent sense of humor is what got her hired here. What she's *not* is a good critic. She has terrible taste. Example: She gave the song "Total Eclipse of the Heart" and grade of "A." I kid you not. In an EW piece, she praised that song to the skies, apparently unaware what wretched dreck it is. And she was serious, not joking. So now she's getting all high and snobby about her education, taste and credentials as a legit critic in tradition of Kael, Christgau & co. and ridiculing the tasteless rabble as being unworthy of getting their own opinions print, and it's just sad. Whitney you have a gift for humor -- embrace it. Stop pretending to be a critic and serious "essayist," cuz your embarrassingly bad at both.

Ragna Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:50 PM EST

I can see why you chickened out on posting this earlier, but looking at how many positive comments are here, and how much it's getting people to think...well, I for one am glad you posted it.

John Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:10 PM EST

I loved Grindhouse. I think Quentin Tarantino is a great filmmaker and I think Death Proof is the best thing he's done since Pulp Fiction. I loved Owen Gleiberman's A review of that film. I also loved Mark Harris' takedown of same. I like reading or hearing any opinion that is well-reasoned and eloquently espoused. Other's opinions often have as much effect on my opinion as the work I am opining about to begin with has in and of itself. I think many people see other's opinions - especially when they are presented as authoritative (as they inevitably are when they are payed for) - as an assault on their intellectual autonomy or the "correctness" of their own point of view. I just see it as, "Hey, I don't think in a vacuum."

Sam Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:07 PM EST

Hey Whitney--

I've never commented before, but just wanted to let you know that it's really amazing that you took the risk of making this post, and, furthermore, made your point so articulately. As a movie reviewer for a college newspaper, I totally agree with and respect what you're saying. My newspaper website recently disabled comments for this reason. I think people need to start reevaluating exactly how these comments are supposed to work and somehow incentivize intelligent discussion. I know if that began to happen, people like me would begin to comment.

Keep up the good work.

Ceballos Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:46 PM EST

Personally, I feel that any sort of personal attack on the critics (or physical threats, no matter how ludicrous) are never acceptable.

I'm an idealist, and every once in a LONG while, I come across a message board with a reasonable exchange of ideas between adults and excluding personal insults. When that happens, message boards are a cool thing, because i get to interact with cool, smart people from different parts of the world and country. Also, to be honest, it's pretty cool to interact with talented writers (like your staff has) who, frankly, are in a position I hope to attain one day.

However, I totally agree that WAY too often comment boards disintegrate into childish name calling aimed at other poster, the subject of the post and the critic. Again, there's no real way to police this, so it makes me sad that a forum with such potential is largely squandered.

Dre Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:46 PM EST

Whitney, I love your reviews and your witty, snarky writing. It is far superior to most of what is seen on comment boards and so I don't think Legitimate Criticism has lost it's place. I love comment boards too, because I like to see the differing opinions and I love to engage in spirited debate. That said, I hate when people think that "spirited debate" = "i'm rite your wrong and you suck and your stupid and probly fat and ulgy to" That's just sad, and I try to ignore it.

Deanne Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:36 PM EST

Just remember on those days when it seems like there are nothing but negative comments, there are hundreds if not thousands of us that read your work every day and get it. We may not agree but we understand and appreciate the humor and the work that you put in. I, for one, want to thank you for all your hard work and making me laugh on a daily basis.

cath Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:36 PM EST

As a critic, of course your job is to critize in a constructive and/or a destructive way. In most cases analysis is done after actually viewing, listening or reading whatever is to be dissected. What annoys most people about critics, is when it is obvious that they are just filling space with:
1. verbage to see there own words and wit on a page.
2. reviewing something without actually viewing, listening or reading the material, but relying on previously written material and paraphraseing.
3.Making critical errors in factual material which would be easily discovered if any time had been taken in preparation for the review.

Should these criteria be meet satisfactorily, then whatever written is a consequence of the reviewers interpretation ...in otherwords; he/she is just doing his/her job.

Nicole Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:22 PM EST

I agree with some of what you say, Whitney, and disagree with other elements. I think the fact that you get paid to be a critic is appropriate compensation for your skills; the rest of us joe blows here are in the game for the fun of it (not to say that you don't have fun.) While I believe that the democratization of thought that the internet brings through resources such as Wikipedia and message boards is valuable, the lack of responsibility creates problems of the OMGTAylorHicksisSUCHAHOTTIE!!!)!LOL variety. It's not an easy issue to resolve, but as an example of a group that, in my opinion, has done a fantastic job navigating the dilemma, check out the Television Without Pity boards (which were also cited glowingly in a recent Slate article). It would probably require more manpower and policing than EW staffers are currently called upon to provide, but it really keeps the level of discussion interesting, relevant, and thoughtful.

Erich Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:02 PM EST

The fact of the matter is that most people cannot handle an opinion that differs from their own.

Matthew Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:01 PM EST

Consider this: for some of us, the presence of message boards has actually *improved* upon the mission of critics doing their job. Case in point: I love EW so much that I even read about the TV shows even though I generally hate TV and don't watch it. But now there's one show I do watch -- Ugly Betty. Why? Because I read so much about Michael Slezak's love for it in this very blog, and I decided to give it a try, and I love it! It would do good to remember that the nasty people who post all the negative comments are but a small percentage of the total number of people who continue to read your well-written, well-thought-out reviews, but just don't often post comments on them, if at all. Because the main purpose here is for you to write, and us to read. And there are lots of us out here. So please, don't let the ignorant few who post ultimately inconsequential crap on message boards get to you. They are the minority.

Angela Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:58 PM EST

I read PopWatch every single day, yet I never read the comments. Why? Because of all the examples you just listed. This sort of illogical, mean-spirited zealousness is par for the course in unregulated comments to blog posts (especially high profile ones like this). The people who actually are thoughtful with their responses usually get baited into some ridiculous argument by someone so offensive, they're hard to ignore. So to the authors of the PopWatch blog, I say unto you that there are those of us out there (plenty more than is reflected in the usual collection of comments) who enjoy your thoughtful criticisms, even when we don't agree with them. Keep up the good work, and don't change a thing.

Jason Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:57 PM EST

The idea of message boards is excellent, unfortunately they often dissolve into childish banter. I think people just want to be heard sometimes. It's easy to write something and have it just sit there with no response, some lonely people need the attention and write something that's bound to cause a reaction. Good reviews and critiques should be the start of a dialogue, and that's why message boards are so revolutionary. Instead of having a one sided conversation, we can actually discuss relevant ideas and add interesting points of view. I love TV Watches for this reason - it enhances my television viewing experience with new ideas. I used to post far more often, but am frustrated with the clogged boards filled with stupidity and knee-jerk reactions. I enjoy the writers of EW for their informed, yet sarcastic way of writing. It doesn't take too seriously the role of pop culture while being delirious fans at the same time. Keep up the good work.

ken Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:49 PM EST

How big of you to let us post comments on the message board. Thanks!

Jamie Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:41 PM EST

Call me stupid, but I always thought that the comments board was for us to share our opinions with each other. Isn't that what most critics do? We do all have our own opinions, and critics are just paid to give theirs. I normally don't agree with what a reviewer says, because I like to form my own opinion. I do like the message boards because it's fun to read other people's opinions and get a different perspective.
I love ALL the writers at EW. You guys do a great job! Keep up the good work. Remember, I may not always agree with you, but I enjoy what you do!

LMF Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:40 PM EST

Man! I made a typo!

Where Y'at, Dawlin'? Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:38 PM EST

Whitney, your friend who wrote the Taylor Hicks review was lambasted by a Soul Patroller. They cannot abide anything remotely resembling negative criticism of their Tay Tay. They take it personally and react with vitriol; everyone and anyone is fair game for their diatribes. You should have read some of the comments on the EW boards last season of AI! Your critic friend got off easy, relatively speaking.

LMF Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:38 PM EST

In agree with you hmm, I've enjoyed reading the comments on this board more than I ever have. (LOVE the dictionary comment Mozz.)

Tasia Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:33 PM EST

Whitney- What well written commentary! To be honest, the reason I read the EW blog versus other blogs by random quasi-real people (read: Perez Hilton) is because I know that you all are legit. I’m sure you had to have a resume and actually interview for this job before you started posting on PopWatch or TV Watch. I respect that, and I try to respect all of the critics who post on EW.com but I have to admit that I once was peeved by Vanessa Juarez who took over your duty as the ANTM TV Watch writer, only because my assumption was that a TV Watch was meant to be a recap of the show plus critique and she forgot to mention who got eliminated on an episode. But after reading this I will think twice before berating her and the rest of you. Thanks for venting; it was nice to hear your side of the story.

PS: I spellchecked this document before I sent it out, it wasn’t that hard

Josh Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:33 PM EST

The saddest part is I think negativity begets negativity. I see it all the time at my workplace, and I've noticed it with critics. For example, Matt Roush usually has excellently written reviews for TV Guide magazine, but over the last few years it's been easier for him to get snarkier in his Ask Matt column. Usually someone calls it on him and he then apologizes the next column, but I do feel like a barrage of negative or perhaps positive but misinformed comments do weigh on critics and make it difficult.

Dan Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:32 PM EST

Whitney,

It's not worth getting too upset over the commenters. First of all, rule of thumb, the empty can rattles the most. That's bad enough, but it becomes downright toxic when you throw it in with the anonymity of pos