John Waters' Kiddie Magic

Blinky Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:50 PM EST

I don't care what any of you losers say, John Waters still looks like a sick, child-molesting, ass-monkey.

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EDDIE WRETCH Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 12:37 AM EST

Pardon my spelling error in my last post. I did not spell the name "Herschell Gordon Lewis" correctly.

nic zunster Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 03:12 PM EST

If you grew up on Rambo you will love this 80's flash back film, "The Son of Rambo." Presented by the Newport Beach Film Festival, April 26th at 8 pm. Check it out
http://www.tix.com/Event.asp?Event=93089 or
www.Newportbeachfilmfest.com

EDDIE WRETCH Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 05:57 AM EST

Herchell Gordon Lewis made a couple of kiddie flicks, not to mention the films that were imported by K. Gordon Murray and shown to the little boys and girls of the good old U.S.A.! John Waters is keeping that tradition alive.

Weirdo Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:46 AM EST

Fair enough, Mario. I guess humor and sarcasm sometimes get lost in translation. No harm, no foul. Me, myself, I'm done here after this (I hope).

It all took a bad turn on here yesterday when some dude spewed out some REAL hate. Looks like his post got deleted, but, wow...scary.

Mario Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:44 PM EST

What say ye, people?!

Leave Weirdo alone..

Weirdo, my post re: you lying to us was completely tongue in cheek...

why are you guys still posting on this stuff anyway!? It's 420 where I am.. what's your excuse?? ;)

Weirdo Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:23 AM EST

Yep, you got me. I didn't capitalize English. Oh, dread! Guess I better go load that gun now.

My point about the middle-aged guy was in direct response to the comment about whether or not I have friends. If you bothered to read more, you would have known that. I personally couldn't care less how a guy wants to spend his time.

Trust me, nothing you write gets by me. There was no point in responding to your "hint of irony" - we all got it.

And, much like Dougie's skepticism about my lack of homophobia, I have definite skepticism that that was your first post. But okay, I'll act like I believe you.

I am sorry that you will be too busy picking up those aluminum can to spend the rest of your day taking pot shots at me.

Boy, I really do get under the craw of some of you, don't I? I certainly didn't mean to, I just don't like the guys films...

Weirdo, get over yourself Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:05 AM EST

Weirdo, for all your smug certainty, my previous post was my first.

MY English and writing skills are sufficient to create a hint of irony by referencing a line in one of YOUR own posts - "Smeirdo, get over yourself" - which apparently got by you.

MY English skills are also strong enough to make sure that the word "English" is always correctly capitalized.

Also, if you contend that you do not have to justify yourself to anyone here, you must also admit that "middle aged guy drinking at the bar with his buddies" doesn't have to justify himself to you, either.

Feel free to post ad nauseam without fear of contradiction or reply. I have a life.

voice of reason Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:59 AM EST

to all of you bashing weirdo, are you planning on actually commenting on john waters and his new project? attacking him because he doesn't like john waters makes you look rather "heterophobic". not only does make all you pathetic, but you come off very hypocritical. i thought gays were supposed to be more understanding and tolerant of people.

Werido Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:39 AM EST

It's not really any of your business, but when I don't have to work, I am with them. When I have free time at work, I do this. Do you not have a job?

And I don't know how strong your english and typing skills are, but it really only takes me a moment or two to gather these thoughts and type them up here.

Again, I really don't have to answer, justify, or defend myself to you or anyone else.

What's funny is that each of you spend the same amount of time (if not more) attacking me as I do posting my thoughts - I'm certain that "Weirdo, get over yourself" is someone that has already posted on here. One is not more pathetic than another.

Werido Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:32 AM EST

Yes, in all fairness, I don't have much use for "Diehard" or "Rambo" either. Bruce Willis can be funny sometimes (Stallone is just a joke), but those are just lame.

I will throw this out there at the risk of getting bashed by the drama club set, but I really liked "The Brothers McMullen". That's an independent film.

I can't say that I love much of anything Ed Burns has done since then, but I really enjoyed that one.

Weirdo, get over yourself Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:27 AM EST

Weirdo says:"Nothing more pathetic than the middle aged guy drinking at the bar with his buddies while his wife is at home with the kids."

How about a guy posting messages for hours about someone he detests, when he could be spending time with the family he professes to love?

Personally, I think there's nothing more pathetic than THAT.

LA Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:24 AM EST

I am a hetero female and I love John Waters and his films. Granted, the average person is not going to be able handle anything he produced before Polyester, but on the other hand, I can't sit through the "Rambo" and "Die Hard"-type movies for fear of snoring over the dialogue. I can't wait to see his spin on a childrens' movie!

Weirdo Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:44 AM EST

Well, thank God my life doesn't live and die by your skepticism. I know what's really in my heart, I could really not care less what someone like you thinks of it, and I certainly don't need to defend myself. Read my last two posts, maybe then you will understand what I was getting at.

If I don't like John Waters, then I don't. Nothing more, nothing less. It's nothing personal against Dougie or anyone else - gay or not. You really shouldn't be making it all about yourself. It's that kind of self-absorbed attitude that invites homophobic-type comments (or whatever comments you might take offense to). Peace to all.

Weirdo Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 03:05 PM EST

To your point about flaunting, Mario, I will admit that it is my hangup. I could never get behind people making a spectacle of themselves - be it flamboyant gay people or drunk girls baring everything on a "Girls Gone Wild" video.

I suppose I also misspoke regarding friends, although I don't see why this is such a topic for discussion. Of course I have friends, we all have friends. But my friends were from college - which was about 15 years ago now. We all live in different cities, we all have different lives. We keep in touch, sure. But I mostly keep with my family. Nothing more pathetic than the middle aged guy drinking at the bar with his buddies while his wife is at home with the kids. Not my thing.

Smeirdo, get over yourself.

Weirdo Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 02:40 PM EST

Let me start, Mario, by thanking you for not personally attacking me as Dougie did. While we may disagree on some aspects, I totally respect that you made your point rationally without using words like "pathetic".

That said, even though I don't have to defend my history of tolerance to anyone, let me clarify what I meant. I said that John Waters is an icon in the homosexual community, and that's true. The only reason I mention sexual orientation at all is because it seems to be that you cannot say John Waters sucks without being labeled a homophobe - as proven yet again by Dougie. Just like you cannot call Jesse Jackson a charlatan without being called racist, just like you cannot criticize the war without be called unpatriotic. I simply don't like his movies. That's okay, and I'm sure you can respect that.

ZantiMissKnit Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:12 AM EST

I think it would be excellent, and I can't wait to take my neice to it. John Waters is an incredibly creative person who just happens to have a dirty mind -- no problem with that, as I do too. It's all about knowing when to reel that part in and being creative in a more family-friendly way. It can be done.

furry_tom Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:41 AM EST

Sorry, without the parenthesis at the end.
http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/archives/20070208/

furry_tom Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:40 AM EST

John Waters had a great guest DJ spot on NPR's All Songs Considered.
http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/archives/20070208/)

smeirdo Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:42 AM EST

"thanks for trying to paint me as a backwoods, homophobic redneck."

Um, like, I mean, I won't take credit - you painted yourself as that.

lori Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:40 AM EST

i can. not. WAIT.

jason Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:23 AM EST

Oh c'mon. Sure he's been firing blanks ever since Serial Mom, but he could still have something great up his sleeve. And there have been subversive children's films in the past, that don't corrupt children, but work on a different level for adults. Take the wonderful Jim Henson, for example.

sdr Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:12 AM EST

i think it's twisted to show kids disney movies so yes, i think a kids movie directed by john would be fantastic. i'm sure he will stress creativity and open-mindedness and not talk down to children with tired, simple fables.

bb Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:10 AM EST

I like John Waters, I like that he is creepy, do I think he's sexy, no, just interesting, (and he has exceptional taste in kitsch)

Martin Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 02:18 AM EST

since when is john waters considered avant garde?

Martin Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 02:17 AM EST

since when is john waters concidered avant garde?

Mario Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 09:33 PM EST

Weirdo,

I didn't presume to know what you think, you very clearly stated your thoughts on "freaky" homosexuals. I simply expanded on those thoughts. By the way, didn't you say you didn't have any friends except your family?! -- What's this crap about acquaintances?! Most people don't know what acquaintances think unless of course, they've had extensive conversations.. particularly on such a random topic as John Waters, why.. one would think that makes that person more than an acquaintance, it makes that person a friend. Does that mean you're lying to us?

As for being uncomfortable with people who flaunt themselves too much, I hate to break it to you but that's pretty much built-in to our genetic makeup. We're visual creatures, we go out of our way to stand out to be noticed.. be it by the opposite sex, the same sex and for a myriad of reasons that aren't necessarly sex related. You really need to get out more.

Dougie Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 07:30 PM EST

Weirdo,

If you really lived up to your name, you'd love John Waters as much as I do, and I'm not a weirdo at all. You have no close friends outside of your family? Why am I unsurprised by this?

Ok, you're not a homophobe (Sure you're not), but you ARE a Freakophobe, yet freaky folks can be really nice (And non-epic movies can be good.), and are a lot more interesting than boring, normal drones, let alone losers who can't make friends.

I've met John Waters, and he is the sweetest, kindest, most caring man. He's so inclusive, he'd even like you! Yet you've cut yourself off from what could have been your only friend.

Oh, and my Grandpa was bald, and any kid who got to spend time with him was LUCKY indeed.

Of course, your "Left-of-center independant films" crack shows just what your agenda really is. The irony? Waters's films are apolitical.

And Ricki Lake was excellent in HAIRSPRAY, whatever she's become since.

You're pathetic.

Weirdo Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 07:10 PM EST

I know exactly what my homosexual relatives and acquaintances think of John Waters - CREEPY! Don't tell me not to presume and then commit the same crime against me. I am not uncomfortable with anything. Well, with the exception of people that flaunt themselves so much. Homosexual, heterosexual - it makes no difference. I think the "Girls Gone Wild" crowd is tasteless and creepy, too. Don't take it all personal. I just don't like him.

WatersRocks Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 07:00 PM EST

I happen to think John Waters' genius will shine through. He's a very wonderful, creative man, who has shown that great imagination produces great film. He can be as gay as the flowers in May, and that's fine with me. I have a different word that I use for gays: "people."

Mario Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 06:19 PM EST

Hey Weirdo,

Don't presume to know what your "homosexual relavites" might think of John Waters. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to speak for others except yourself?

By stating that he's this great icon in the homosexual community only goes to show how pathetically small minded and xenophobic you are. So what if he's great in the gay community, what the hell does that have to do with your opinion at all? The fact that you mentioned the "gay community" only goes to show how uncomfortable you are with anything remotely gay. If you really do have gay relatives, I feel bad for you. Not because they're related to you but because you don't live in the real world, you live in a bubble made up of your relatives alone. This, based on your own words.

Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 06:17 PM EST

Dan- Ursula from the Little Mermaid was based on Divine :)

Weirdo Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 05:14 PM EST

And, I'm sorry, I have no homosexual friends - I have my family, no close friends outside of that. I know homosexual people, I have homosexual relatives. They would probably cringe at John Waters and his work, too. That is not an issue of homophobia. I don't believe homosexuality to be the same thing as this flaming, flamboyant attitude that you see in films like his. It's totally separate. But thanks for trying to paint me as a backwoods, homophobic redneck.

Remember people: White does not mean racist, male does not mean sexist, heterosexual does not mean homophobe.

Weirdo Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 05:08 PM EST

I simply don't like him. That's all the rationale I need. If you see some creepy, bald guy walking down your street, would you go let your children play with him? No? Why not? He could just be someone's grandfather - totally harmless. But you don't let them, because you know better and follow your gut instinct.

Yes, I am well aware what he has "done" for cinema. I'm not a fan. To me, alot of those left-of-center independent films are just as superfluous as Stallone's action films. Give me epic, give me a REAL story. I don't mind misfits and such in movies, but spare me freakdom for nothing more than freakdoms sake.

Ellipsian Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:50 PM EST

I am equal parts intrigued and aghast.

Paul U. Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:47 PM EST

NOTHING could be worse than his last 2 movies...hey, maybe it will have a Christmas scene ala Female Trouble!

smeirdo Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:41 PM EST

weirdo, try expanding your comfort level to something bigger than a breadbox. "I mean, I know he's like this icon in the homosexual community and everything?" Do you have the first clue of what he's done for cinema in general and independent film in particular? I was waiting for you to say "I mean, like, um, some of my best friends are gay." And if you think Ricky Lake is a slob, fine, but don't blam John Waters for that - he cast her in a film - he's not her manager for life. I don't usually respond to other peoples posts like this - but you are confusing your own visceral fear of John Waters (and maybe his appearance) with some type of rational argument.

Weirdo Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:21 PM EST

Yeah, this guy is a freak. I mean, I know he's like this icon in the homosexual community and everything. But I hate him. He's just creepy. How do you support anyone that gave that slob like Ricki Lake her start. Gross.

dan Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:16 PM EST

I think that in a lot of ways, the strange characters that inhabit the universe of John Waters films are just like characters in kids films, but with an NC-17 twist. Take the "filthiest people alive" and turn them into the "meanest people alive," and its a Disney movie! Don't you think that sea witch in The Little Mermaid kinda looked like Divine?
That being said, i'll have to see this before I let my kids see it.

Victor Perez Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:54 PM EST

I believe that whatever John does from here until the end will ALWAYS be "A John Waters' Film'.. It will please kids, as well as his loyal fans. i see it a something along the lines of 'Pee Wee's Playhouse'..

i mean Heck, even David Lynch made a G-rated film without compromising any of his artistic style..