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Cage Match: 'The Black Donnellys' vs. 'Studio 60'

Feb 27, 2007, 06:09 PM | by Erin DeJesus

Categories: Television, TV Ratings

Have you heard? NBC is pinning its hopes on this new lofty, ambitious show created by a Hollywood Golden Boy. They've been hyping it with millions of commercials and previews (to the point of irritating saturation), all of which promise that the show will bring intellectual, gritty topics back to television. To prove this is indeed a Serious Television Show, most of its scenes will be shot in deep shadow and sepia tones. And of course, NBC is hoping — praying — that this new show will pull the network out of the ratings doldrums.

Sound familiar? Whether you're hearing this story in the present tense or if it takes you back to warmer days in early September, the parallels between new show The Black Donnellys and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip seem uncanny. Both have big-name creators (Paul Haggis and Aaron Sorkin, respectively), both address serious topics (violence and religion), and both share a timeslot: Mondays at 10 p.m. (The Black Donnellys began squatting in Sorkin's timeslot last night, bumping Studio 60 into the bleak land of "indefinite hiatus.")

Since further comparisons between the two are inevitable, how do the pilots match up head-to-head? Let us compare and contrast:

The Dramatic Premise
A prominent TV producer has an on-air breakdown at Studio 60, and executive Jordan (Amanda Peet) calls in former-employees-with-questionable-pasts Matt (Matthew Perry) and Danny (Bradley Whitford) to save the day. Can they assemble a dream team to rescue their sketch-comedy show? Meanwhile, on Donnellys, Tommy Donnelly (Jonathan Tucker) desperately tries to keep his crime-loving brothers in check. By the end of the first episode, he's seen one brother hospitalized, another arrested, and his dreams of a cleaner, better life go down the tube as he walks into an Italian mob stronghold and shoots five of its members, point-blank. Somehow saving SNL doesn't seem nearly as important — nor does it involve gunplay.
Winner: The Black Donnellys

The Setting
The Donnelly boys were born and raised in NYC's Hell's Kitchen, where pubs are abundant and territories are clearly marked and defended. Studio 60's drama takes place inside a historic theater on a ritzy Hollywood street. Cheer up, gloomy comedy folk — it's (probably) sunny outside!
Winner: The Black Donnellys

Character Introduction
Studio 60 introduced stars Matt, Danny, and Jordan using handy little title cards that stated who we were about to meet next. Though the cards were convienent and probably should be considered cheating, after five minutes of Donnellys, I was confused as to who was who and how they were all related — blame it way-too-quick introductions and the stereotypical Irish/Italian/New York way of having all names end in "-y" (it seems like there's a Tommy, Jenny, Joey, Danny, Pauly, Petey, Jimmy, Billy, Bobby, Scotty, Biscotty, and Sneezy in every neighborhood.)
Winner: Studio 60

The Love Interest
On Studio 60, Matt pines over his ex — good-girl, God-fearing sketch comic Harriet Hayes (Sarah Paulson) — and the two banter like there's no tomorrow (indeed, watching them go at it really does feel like an eternity). Though Tommy's childhood friend Jenny (Olivia Wilde) is married, she doesn't know that her husband is dead — yet she proclaims her love for Tommy anyway. Pretty badass. Plus, Wilde gets automatic career brownie points for playing a bi-curious bartender in the most ridiculous of OC plots.
Winner: Wilde and The Black Donnellys

The Guy Love
Studio 60's Matt and Danny have stuck by each other through thick and thin, including their firings and drug addiction, and the guy love is palpable; Danny often hides information from Matt to avoid hurting him. The Donnelly boys, though related, don't seem to interact much outside fighting, beating on each other, and hiding information to avoid more fighting and beating. And is it me, or is Tommy's nearly-blind loyalty not "love" so much as some other emotion that borders on idiotic? They say blood is thicker than water, but thanks to Perry and Whitford's acting chemistry, Matt and Danny are the more touching team.
Winner: Studio 60

The Moral
Well, we're not really sure of Studio 60's "moral of the story," as its pilot had about 15 of them mashed together (showbiz career desperation + the decline of quality television + past drug use + The 700 Club = huh?). But since we're pretty sure the Donnelly boys don't have any morals at all, we'll give Studio 60 a special dispensation.
Winner: Studio 60

Tally up the votes, folks, and it leads to... a frustrating tie.

Which is probably logical. Though I loved the Studio 60 pilot, I was frustrated (as many viewers were) by the end of its run — but I'm not quite sure The Black Donnellys is a particularly good replacement. At the very least, Studio 60's pilot was better paced and had more memorable characters, though Donnelly's plot leads to more drama, as long as the story is told correctly.

So what do you think, PopWatchers? Who wins in the battle of NBC's 10 p.m. Monday timeslot? Is it too early to tell with one measly Donnellys airing? (The first-night ratings aren't promising.) Do you already miss Matt and Danny's male bonding? And most importantly, who would win in a barfight, Jenny Reilly or Harriet Hayes?

Waltz Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 03:07 AM EST

Seriously there has to be some way that we can get one of the 15 'different' CSI's off the air, and get The Black Donnellys back on. Other than Heroes, this was the best NBC had to offer.

BLACKK DONNNELYSS :) Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 01:54 PM EST

OMGGG THE BLACK DONNNELLLYS ALL THE WAY, my friendd knos the kid who plays tommmmy wen he wass litttle and i think that OLDERR TOMMY IS SOOO CUTEE. OMG THE STORY IS SOO GOOD OMGGG BRING IT BACKKK, BRING IT BACK !!!

Phil Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 10:18 PM EST

The Black Donnellys was much better than Studio 60. Studio 60 was jam packed full of well known stars and it failed because it was unfunny, uncreative, and damn near unwatchable. I gave it a shot, but I couldn't stand it, I couldn't watch it, it was torture. The writer wants people to not watch other shows, but his show is a piece of garbage. People in 3rd World Countries wouldn't watch it if you paid them to. TBD on the other hand hooked me from the start. Notice on the opening analysis the poster gave Studio 60 a freebie for morals...why? Because it sucked. Save the Black Donnellys and burn every copy of Studio 60 in a giant fire.

Ari Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 04:43 PM EST

The Donnelly brothers show tons of male bonding! Softball anyone? And Jenny could totally take Harriet in a barfight.

emma smith Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 07:04 PM EST

i am going crazy not knowing what is going to happen on the black donnellys, it needs to come back soon because it is my favorite show in the world!!!!

s kels Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:19 AM EST

never saw studio60, i did watch tbd after heros one nite, hooked after 1st show, heros good... tbd better

Tony M. Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:52 PM EST

The Black Donnellys is definitely the better show although Studio 60 was pretty good. I seriously hope NBC reconsiders and brings back The Black Donnellys. Studio 60 was pretty good but I started getting tired of it before it got cancelled, I don't mind much that they cancelled Studio 60.

BGF Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 10:47 PM EST

I am a long time Sorkin fan but the gravity he tried to infuse into Studio 60 was ridiculous and felt like a mismash of leftover West Wing plotlines.

The Black Donnelly's is a keeper and the handsdown winner! Smart, fast-paced and entertaining! Best time on NBC.

Deborah Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:51 PM EST

I love both shows and think all of the 'illiterate programming', to steal a line from Studio 60, should be banished to the dusty shelves in the dark depths of the NBC basement and forgotten like all the other bad programming decisions they have been making lately. I saw the programs they are thinking of getting rid of, which are dramas or comedies. They plan to add mostly reality TV over the summer. It will give me a nice summer off from NBC viewing. But, if I have to choose just one show, The Black Donnellys win!

Carrie Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:51 PM EST

SAve TBD's...best writing on tv in a long time.......show has great depth.

FireCracker Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:49 PM EST

The Black Donnellys all the way.
And from my perspective Tommys got more morals than whats good for him, unfortunately his loyalty for his brothers makes it hard for him to enjoy them.
Please join the Fight to Save The Black Donnellys!

KatieBeth Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:34 PM EST

SAVE THE BLACK DONNELLYS!!!!!!!!!!

KatieBeth Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:32 PM EST

I love The Black Donnellys. This show is right up there with the Sopranos and OZ!!! There have been a lot of shows that didn't have great starts but ended up bieng BIG BIG BIG and this is one of those!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring back the Donnellys!!! Give them another season to iron out the bugs and get into the "swing" of things and I PROMISE this will be one of the TOP shows there is!!!!!!

Noelani Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:30 PM EST

The Black Donnellys is a dramatic series that deals with grim subject matter but leaves just enough room for moments of dark humor. In these moments the flaws of our anti-heroic main characters are glaringly revealed and humanizes the drama.

In this instance I think the best comparison (to it's often compared) predecessor "The Sopranos", can be found. For in the latter this technique is used in the girth sizes and normal appearance of our main characters. However in The Black Donnellys it is done simply through writing.

Some may disagree but this is a series that, given time in my opinion will engage every viewer that crosses it's path.

Know how I know? Visit NBC.com on Monday nights at 9pm est and you'll find out.

Julie Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 07:56 PM EST

SAVE THE BLACK DONNELLY'S! WE NEED THIS SHOW BACK ON THE AIR!!!!! KEEP IT ALIVE!
LOVED AND ADDICTED TO EVERY SECOND!

theory Fri, Apr 6, 2007 at 09:49 AM EST

Does anyone else find it ironic that Sorkin put a lesbian in the role of the "Christian, Right Wing" Harriet? I think Sarah does a great job, but I also think it might have beena little calculated.

Tiffany Sun, Apr 1, 2007 at 04:17 PM EST

The Black Donnelly's must stay for at least another season. I'm so wrapped up in the plot and all the messes the Donnelly boys get themselves into. The writing for the show is excellent the actors are terrific, the music with lyrics is a great twist. It's very intruiging to watch a show that has potrayed the life of "Hell's Kitchen". This place and this type of life has been potrayed in many non-ficion and fictional novels, so people are naturally drawn to a world they've never known but want to know. Some viewers may make a connection with the show, while most of us are simply sucked into a world far from our own.

Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 01:59 PM EST

I loooove the Black Donnellys. Never saw Studio 60. They should keep both, get rid of the mindless game/reality shows, and move the time slots away from CSI so they have a ratings chance.

strt15 Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 01:52 PM EST

I have to tell you I was just reading the NBC message board on TBD. As best I could tell it seemed like the people who were watching the show were talking to one another trying to figure out what was going on from episode to episode. Say what you want about S60 but I never needed to have people translate it for me. Good writing doesn't need it.

mike Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:38 AM EST

The Black Donnellys is the best bet, how many times can you get the chance to watch high drama with real crime on network TV, this show if given the chance can compete with the likes of Prison Break, THe Sheild and all these other drama's that have been hits

sjannetta Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 10:22 AM EST

Bring back Studio 60 ---- I really miss it! Definitely the better of the two shows.

Phantom Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:39 PM EST

I was having a discussion with someone about an unrelated movie the other day, and he said something interesting. He said that the movie chose dialogue over style. And then it dawned on me that that is what I love about Studio 60. The dialogue, the interaction between the characters. Say what you want about Sorkin, I think the show is well written. That fact that it might get cancelled is laughable.

Scott Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:33 PM EST

Studio 60's the only way to go! The Black Donnelly's are just another excuse for violent melodrama.

I'm no pacifist. Sometimes I'd like to fly Sayid from the island to LA so he can torture admissions of love from Matt and Harriet. But everything on TV doesn't have to start or end in a gun battle.

I also agree Studio 60 is not The West Wing. But it doesn't need to be.

Studio 60 is smart, funny, original, social drama. Sorkin, Whitford, Perry (and Hughley and the rest) deliver outstanding quality.

You don't watch it because it's the pinnacle of drama. You watch it, I watch it, because the story is better than most shows, and the dialogue, the pacing, is vibrant. It makes me smile just trying to keep up. (Thank God for TiVo!)

Studio 60's intelligence is unmatched on television today. Smart appeals to millions of Americans who otherwise find tele-land a "vast wasteland". One day, maybe studios execs will learn that.

john Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:22 PM EST

why not both shows?

Julea Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:30 PM EST

I miss smart dramadies. The BD didn't float my boat so my Tivo list is now one show shorter. Bring back Studio 60!

Adrienne Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 07:06 PM EST

Studio 60 wins all the way; no tie. I haven't watched the Black whatever, and I don't plan to because America doesn't only need shows and movies witrh vilonce and tons of drama. It needs..it needs..Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip!

ncc Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:58 PM EST

Haven't seen the BD, don't plan to, but I agree completely that it's an unbelievable crime that shows like Deal or No Deal, Grease, or Indentity (awful!) have a place in NBC's schedule and Studio 60 does not. While the latter can't hold a candle to West Wing, at the very least it was funny, original and entertaining. Heard an NPR interview with Studio 60's Nate Corddry saying how he hates to have to wish for another show to fail, but such is the way...
Hope he gets his wish.

Robert Thu, Mar 8, 2007 at 02:14 AM EST

Studio 60 - Winner hands down. If NBC could put it into an earlier timeslot, I am sure it would grab a larger audience. The black Donnellys is just another excuse to watch people kill each other just before we go to bed. Studio 60 is thought provoking, and points to issues that we are seeing all accross the country. No matter which side you are on on these issues, it is still nice to see them aired. Pleae bring it back and make it earlier. It is a great show

Sammi Thu, Mar 8, 2007 at 12:09 AM EST

The Black Donnellys is AMAZING!! definetly one of the best shows on tv right now.. I really hope that NBC keeps it on b/c I am completley hooked on this show.. and i don't want it to go anywhere for a very long time it is so good!!!

Kevin Wed, Mar 7, 2007 at 03:13 PM EST

Why are people having trouble understanding what is going on in The Black Donnellys? Maybe because I read, and watch, a lot about Irish and Italian gangsters, its easier for me to understand? I don't know. This isn't an attack on anyone, just a little confusion for me.
I would like to comment on the loyalty of the brothers to each other. I don't know what it is, but the Irish are like this: Loyal to family bordering on the insane loyalty where nothing comes before blood. This can be traced back to Irish Clans throughout the Centuries. Throughout history it existed in some form or another.
I for one like this show, and hope it stays on the air.

segsig Tue, Mar 6, 2007 at 08:48 PM EST

I think your cage match has ended...in its second outing Black Donnelly's scored lower ratings than Studio 60's lowest (which followed NBC announcing it was pulling it!). IF it weren't for Studio 60's huge price tag and that NBC doesn't own it - they'd be guaranteed a return.

Bizz Tue, Mar 6, 2007 at 06:59 PM EST

Am I the only one out here who sees two shows on the same network about the same thing? "I mean, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" No ones going to waste their evenings watching two shows on the same network about the same thing. I don't care that one may be a "Drama" and the other a "Comedy", Wake up! You had to know one would come out on top and I guess it wasn't Studio 60 on the crappy strip.

Ise Tue, Mar 6, 2007 at 06:50 PM EST

When will the critics be happy with anything? Why can't we just appreciate the show for what it is and be happy with it. The way I pick a new show or movie to see is by what ever the so called "critics" say is bad. No one makes your mind up for you!

Tiff Tue, Mar 6, 2007 at 03:55 PM EST

Ok, so I'm coming in a bit late on this conversation, but I finally watched my tivo of BD. I thought it was ok. Am I going to rush home from work so I don't miss it? No. If I miss it am I going to watch it ASAP? No. I did all of the above for Studio 60.
I'll be the first to admit that Aaron needs to get to the point already, but I still love the show. WW was fantastic, and I think he needs to bring in a bit of that crazed fast paced thing he did so well. The main problem with it, is that it's on too damn late. There are plenty of places that NBC can put it or the BD for that matter. Like in one of the 20 slots for Deal or No Deal. (I HATE THAT SHOW!!)

Heidi Sun, Mar 4, 2007 at 12:57 AM EST

I'm not so sure the strength of dramatic premise should be based on whether or not anybody gets shot. Arguably in the pilot of Studio 60 far more people, millions, noticed what happened on the live program as Wes went ape. Exactly how many millions knew or cared about the trials of young Irish hoods? Their problems were certainly not of national import.

Ashley Sat, Mar 3, 2007 at 09:03 PM EST

I hope the The Black Donnellys makes it. While Studio 60 is a nice show, I found the storyline of a bunch of brothers who would do anything for each other interesting. Olivia Wilde and Jonathan Tucker's scene were among the most powerful, and while most characters were introduced quickly, I understand their relationship from the very first scene. Joey Ice Cream's combination of wit and sarcasm is the perfect narration. What I liked most was the twist at the end, because in the beginning I was wondering where the foot injury was going, but by the end it all made since. Snow Patrol's 'Open Your Eyes' played for the last four minutes of the show, but the brilliant shooting made me understand the weight that Tommy was holding. I hope that this show lasts or that they find another time slot. Even if it gets cancelled, I'll be buying the DVD's in the fall.

Sean Thu, Mar 1, 2007 at 12:08 AM EST

Studio 60 is the best show on TV, bring it back N-O-W! I get depressed when it ends each monday night, I think I may lose my mind not knowing when its coming back.

Leigh Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:47 PM EST

Olivia Wilde = hot

Jonathan Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:38 PM EST

Studio 60 is awesome. But assuming that it's not under threat by this show,The Black Donnellys is pretty good by me. Knock-off? Sure! More of the same? Sure! But if the S60 ratings are any indication, more people like more of the same. So we have a standard gritty drama that will probably work--PROVIDED THEY MAKE IT EASIER TO GRASP WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! Is the idea to mask its normality by making all those tiring cuts, reverses, alternate explanations and miond-changing? For five minutes it was different, but if it continues into the second episode I'll be dropping the show. Just tell the story, for goodness sake.

Teeps Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:07 PM EST

For crying out loud, just bring back Studio 60. Are you telling me there are NO other shows that could better make room for a crappy Irish Goodfellas? Bring the show back!!

Greg Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:00 PM EST

I am absolutely disgusted with NBC for putting my favorite show, Studio 60, on "indefinite hiatus". That's ridiculous. With so much horrible TV out there right now, and all the new "reality" shows (with Studio 60 made fun of by the way, to my amusement), they pull a fast paced, intelligently written, well acted show off the air after only a few episodes. Look at TV history...I believe shows like Star Trek and MASH were not high in the ratings. They killed Star Trek after a few seasons, and it lives on today, including plans for a new movie next year. Who hasn't seen every episode of MASH 500 times. NBC blew this one big time, especially if they opt not to bring the show back. I honestly can't think of another show that I watch regularly, other than this one.

Crabby Patty Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 04:56 PM EST

This conversation is like comparing two turds and asking which one stinks worse. Could Matthew Perry look any more like a young Jabba the Hut?

Phil Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:41 PM EST

The Black Donnellys pilot is re-running tomorrow night in the 10pm slot vacated by ER, when new episodes aren't due back til April 12th. Does anyone know what NBC is goin to be running during Thursday nights at 10? Are they goin to be giving a double dose of the Donnellys every week to find an audience? I doubt they will air Studio 60 Thursday at 10, directly after 30 Rock, but stranger things have happened..maybe NBC is goin to wait and bring back Studio after all the big season finales end in May, and hope to attract an audience for Studio 60 when there is nothing "new or fresh" on the air? I dunno, I'm torn since I do like both shows. I also love the "frsh" cast on the Black Donnellys. Other than Olivia Wilde being recognized from Alpha Dog and The O.C. & Jonathan Tucker from the Texas Chainsaw remake, the cast is predominantly new faces of young Hollywood. I hope the risk pays off with a mutual audience of young and old fans!

Brandon Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:33 PM EST

At this point, I don't know which show to root for. I loved Studio 60 at the beginning of the season, but now that it's become the "Matt-Harriet Love/Angst Hour," I'm beginning to lose interest. The last few episodes almost feel like Sorkin's given up on it - tired storylines and ridiculous cliches. He has a huge ensemble cast, but HarriMatt dominate the show despite being some of the least interesting characters on the show. If the show is dying a slot death, I don't think it's purely because of ratings. The 2-parter with John Goodman was great, the "oh-no-we're-trapped-up-on-a-roof" one, not so much.

Sorry, I know I'm ranting, but it's sad to see such a potentially great an intellectual series going down the drain. Oh well, maybe NBC will give us more brainless "Deal or No Deal" instead...

fredric Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:05 PM EST

I liked the Black Donnellys pilot. Hopefully it finds an audience. However, if it fades, I'm not gonna cry. I have enough shows to watch anyway.

As for Studio 60, I thought it was okay at first. I like the actors in the show, but it does get tedious at times. I don't miss it, but since others do, hopefully NBC will give it a chance.

None of the shows comes close to Friday Night Lights though. It's a shame it hasn't found its audience.

Rebekah Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:32 PM EST

I love Studio 60. There is no way in the world I will watch the Black Donnelys. It's only been a week's break and I miss Studio 60. Bring it back!

Strt15 Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:31 PM EST

"Donnellys" posted a 3.5 rating among adults 18 to 49 in the preliminary Nielsens-better than the time period average of 3.2, but 30 percent less than the debut of "Studio." The first half hour aired commercial free, then "Donnellys" second half hour lost 32 percent of its 18-49 audience (going from a 4.1 to a 2.8). "Donnellys" also aired with a few minutes of "Heroes" lead-in, so the ratings could downshift in the nationals.

S60 fan Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:03 PM EST

fatima, thanks for holding down the fort.

Jay Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:58 AM EST

um, if the black donnellys had a good showing don't you think NBC would have released the overnight nielsens for it? i can't seem to find how it did, so i am thinking it wasn't good.

mike Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:45 AM EST

Won't miss either shows. I tried Studio 60 and found it be be a preachy, pretentious, self-congratulatory bore. I managed to get through three episodes, each more annoying than the last.

Monday is now DVD nite at my house. I Tivo 24 and watch it after the film.

Kaybar Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:35 AM EST

I enjoy S60 and never understood the almost fanatical hatred that some viewers seemed to direct at it. It's too bad that, now that it may be on the verge of cancellation, NOW the love comes out. Haven't watched The Black Donnellys; don't plan to.

Fatima Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:59 AM EST

Where were all you Studio 60 lovers when I was fighting off Gary Susman and a bunch of bottom feeders nearly single handedly when the show was still on!?

Laurai Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:54 AM EST

I never was able to stand Studio 60 for more than a minute. It simply couldn't hold my attention. However, The Black Donnellys completely sucked me in. I was very impressed with the first ep. I am excited so see what happens. I've heard some good stuff about this show. Plus, the boys are gorgeous. I love the "new" faces.

Ang Knee Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:48 AM EST

Only uncanny parallel is how much the lead Donnelly kid looks like Stephen Weber.

Was BD hyped as serious/intellectual? I missed that. For a show that was supposed to be gritty, it sure is soapy.

Studio 60 was a "mess" only if we like our TV tidy, ie formulaic. BD will give us formulaic. And unsubtle? Stop! Or maybe the feeling we're being beat with a baseball bat is meant to help us identify with the characters.

julie Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:39 AM EST

Bring back Studio 60!!! I felt like I was watching a dark depressing Sopranos filmed by teens made for YouTube. I watched the whole hour, but I wont watch again. The Riches is going to be on Monday at 9:00, so I guess I will watch that, because the main networks have nothing good at 9:00 on Mondays. Im tired of liking a show and then it gets pulled off for something worse. Soooo GLAD I have CABLE!

segsig Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:07 AM EST

Studio 60 was original, smart TV; The Black Donnellys is a ripoff of a thousand movies and tv shows already done. With the rating Donnellys got for a premiere it won't be around more than five weeks.

Christopher Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:57 AM EST

Studio 60 is a social drama about our society, men and women, and the business of entertaining. It's much like The West Wing in that it features characters looking to find and declare a proper social protocol for overcoming the differences between cultures, genders, and races.

The Black Donnelys is an organized crime drama with some romantic subplots and a theme of self-sacrifice. It's like The Godfather Part III in that it's about someone facing a choice between obeying law & protecting his family, and ultimately having only a choice between acting or letting loved ones die.

They are very different animals and I'd watch them both if they were on together.

I can also imagine the shows merging. The brothers leave for California to avoid prosecution and get jobs on the set. Jimmy yells at everyone to stop crying and do what they must.

I'm honestly more inclined to watch Tommy work out his problems than watch Danny & Matt work out their non-problem problems.

Byron Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:42 AM EST

I like Studio 60, but I came to the show late. I ended up watching a weekend marathon on Bravo (I think) and got hooked. Now I watch all the time, but I guess not any more.

The Black Donnellys- I havent seen, but the ads didnt exactly get me excited about it. All I got fromthe ad was Irish brothers who like to fight. I thought it was a The Departed rip off/coattail show. Not sure I am wrong after reading the other posts.

dma69 Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:17 AM EST

The only way I would stick to this show is if they get rid of Joey Ice Cream. Narrators are bad enough, but who's the nimrod that thought this idiot should be the narrator? His voice is annoying, he changes his story too many times, even his look bugs me for some reason. I was so thrilled when the cops slapped a book across his ugly mug in the end. Hate him, hate him, HATE HIM! Please somebody whack Joey friggin Ice Cream!

S60 fan Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:15 AM EST

While the Black Donnellys has the in-your-face sensational plotline... it doesn't really stand out against all of the other violent mobster-type shows. The writing in Studio 60 is fresh, witty, and smart. There's not much out there in TV-land that you can say *that* about.

Strt15 Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:12 AM EST

What was it that Judd Hirsch said? Its not going to be a very good show tonight -- change the channel.....this show has gotten lobotomized by a candy-assed broadcast network hell bent on doing anything that might challenge their audience.....we’re all being lobotomized by this country’s most influential industry. It has just thrown in the towel .....that remote in your hand is a crack pipe.........just turn off your TV. Please NBC find the better part of your nature that brought us West Wing and S60 and be cutting edge again.

J Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 06:48 AM EST

Haggis cribs and deals in cliches. Sorkin is an original. That said, I prefer the Donnellys. Sorkin's style just annoys the heck out of me, always has. (Stop talking already! Who are you, Hamlet?) Donnellys stole its highpoint (very late in the hour) from Coppola and Puzo, but at least that's the gold standard of this stuff. It could get better. And violence is cool!!!1

I think the moral of Donnellys is "brotherhood", in the Man Laws, cops-and-social-order be damned, kind of way.

Any girl who makes out with Adam Brody, Mischa Barton, and Jonathan Tucker, on camera, wins.

Jess Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:36 PM EST

My vote goes for The Black Donnellys. It has more potential for growth.

Black Girl Superstar Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:30 PM EST

I had been watching "Studio 60" and I DVRed "The Black Donnellys" but haven't watched it yet. I have always liked these crime mob-type movies and TV shows, and I always got a "Sleepers" vibe from "The Black Donnellys" (maybe just 'cause one of the guys on that show was a kid in "Sleepers") and I hope it's good.

On the other hand, while "Studio 60" is by no means the best show on TV, I've always found it whimsical and amusing and I hope that somehow it gets a second chance.

But mostly I'm just hoping that they keep "Studio 60" on long enough for Joshua Malina to be on it. He was good on "Sports Night" and he only seems to get work when Aaron Sorkin's involved. After that, then I'd be okay with it finishing.

EP Sato Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:23 PM EST

NBC's got two great entries this year with 30 Rock and FNL. Both were much riskier (and better) than these two overhyped shows. en by guys who believe all the fair weather press written about them is somehow true, and who believe they somehow deserve the star treatment FOR WRITING.

The problem always lies with folks who believe their own hype. Tina Fey got all hot after she became the first truly successful Post-SNLer since Chris Farley, and instead of going all Hollywood she stayed true to her roots. She's still self depriciative,and go figure that her shows actually worth watching, unlike Studio suckfest.

Also, I'd like to call a show "The White Rodrigues Clan" so as to be all "controversial" like Hackgis.

Who put all this haterade in my water today? Time for a nap...

chasgoose Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:17 PM EST

They should both be cancelled!

LindsayLou Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:49 PM EST

Black Donnelly's was about a hundred times better than the windbag that is Studio 60. If they can keep up the drama, the pace and work on the character development, I think the show has great potential. Some people have said that they are bored with the Irish stereotype; while I agree to some extent that its not exactly original thinking, it is, however, much more entertaining than watching a bunch of rich Hollywood tv people whine and preach for an hour.

Suzi Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:15 PM EST

Studio 60 is much better and I miss it. I turned over to CSI Miami after 20 minutes of the Black Donnellys because it did not keep me interested enough to continue watching.

Jen Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:42 PM EST

As unfortunate as it is that Studio 60 hasn't been living up to its potential, any show with Matthew Perry & Aaron Sorkin deserves at least one full season in my book. What ever happened to letting shows hit their stride?

Hope Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:26 PM EST

Bring back Studio. At least it as interesting. It may have had flaws, but you kinda understood what was going down. Not with the Black Donnelly's. A waterdown version of the Soprano's. I rather Studio 60's inperfections more...

lei Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:18 PM EST

The Black D's were far more interesting and engaging than Studio 60, where it seems every week the audience was attacked with a long winded sermon. Can't wait for next week's B.D. and so long can't say I will miss you Studio 60.

MM Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:56 PM EST

I enjoyed the Black Donnellys pilot ep, but thought that the Irish and Italian stereotypes were a bit much. I'm neither Irish nor Italian, but I would imagine that both groups would want be portrayed as more than common thugs. Maybe as the show goes on, we'll see a more nuanced side to the brothers.

Fatima Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:54 PM EST

My bad...well it was nearly 2 months ago! But still, it just shows that I really couldn't even invest more than 30 minutes in this show without getting fed up.

Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:46 PM EST

i'm totally on studio 60's side. i feel like people abandoned it pretty quickly, which is sad because i think it actually got better through the season. i just wish people would allow a show to develop. sometimes, there are bad episodes, but that doesn't mean you should stop watching. anyone remember scrubs, season one? or sienfeld season one? or desperate housewives season two?

Phil Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:36 PM EST

Fatima, the one telling the story from the jailcell with the officers was NOT a Donnelly brother. He was a friend, Joey "Ice-cream" from the neighborhood.

John in Philly Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:35 PM EST

I was very disappointed by The Black Donnellys. Face the facts, those 4 brothers would get their asses kicked more often than the New Jersey Generals.

Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:22 PM EST

It's too soon to tell. I liked the Studio 60 pilot but it went rapidly downhill after that. I also liked TBD pilot but I'll have to wait and see if the show holds up after a few more episodes.

Jennifer Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:08 PM EST

I think the Black Donnellys has definite promise. Also, comparing the pilot of Studio 60 to the pilot of the Black Donnellys to try and figure out which show is better is pointless. The pilot of Studio 60 was fantastic. However, everything after that was a mess-- hence why the ratings steadily declined. If The Black Donnellys can keep up quality, ratings will rise by word of mouth. However, am I the only one that things The Black Donnellys would work better as a movie?

jeff Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:02 PM EST

I can't believe they cancelled 60. I like Donnelly's, but come on. Scheduling seems to be the biggest issue at NBC. Whoever runs that dept should be axed, not 60.

Fatima Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:00 PM EST

God I miss Studio 60!

I saw the pilot of the BD's from netflix and I didn't even finish it. I have never been more annoyed by a character as I was the brother in jail. When he kept interupting the narrative? I want this show gone so maybe 60 can return.

mike Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:40 PM EST

Stand Aaron Sorkin in the corner. Make him see the error of his ways. Then, let the genius write a better TV show after no one care about The Black Donnelys.

Phil Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:39 PM EST

I personally was a fan of STUDIO 60 and I also enjoy the Black Donnelly's (but then again, I have a perchant for bad-ass Irish boys). Although NBC used to give such darker dramas like the Bladck Donnellys a shot on Friday nights at 10, their allocation to Studio's Monday night slot following rating monster Heroes, confuses me a bit, but I did enjoy last night debut episode. I look forward to seeing what other trouble the Donnelly Brothers can get into, and wanna know who's gonna be the lucky S.o.B. to tell Jenny her hubby is dead!

Tina Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:36 PM EST

I really liked both shows, and for different reasons. I get the impression that The Black Donnellys will pick up. Maybe NBC won't air Deal or No Deal every 5 minutes and can air Studio 60 then. And while they're at it, tell Sorkin to stop making his characters so self-important. It worked on TWW but Studio 60 is just about television its not the end of the world.

Karla Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:32 PM EST

Yikes, I got sick of those endless previews. Shaddup already!

Nope, not gonna watch the crimes of the very Irish. Bored.

Studio 60 was a mess, but it was an interesting mess. The Bleak Dunderheads looks like a mess with no interest.

Of the two writers, Haggis - which is, by the way, a Scottish delicacy involving sheep's innards - is mostly a hack. Crash notwithstanding.

Sorkin wins and we all lose.

Chaddogg Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:17 PM EST

More Olivia Wilde, please....

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