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Hero and Superhero: Comics, all growed up

Oct 16, 2006, 07:22 PM | by Scott Brown

Categories: Television

162740__smallville_l Superheroes: For a bubble that was supposed to have burst a couple of Blade sequels ago, they’ve shown remarkable staying power in the fantasy-hungry mainstream. They are, it would seem, what’s for dinner, now and forever.

So let’s talk about them: The Heroes, the Hiro, and, of course, the Hero—Numero Uno, Big Blue, He Who Had Not Such a Great Summer At the Movies but Hey-There’s-Always-Television.

Let me begin by celebrating the passing -- or, at least, waning -- of a theme: the superhero-as-metaphor-for "otherness," difference, nerdiness, and purple-nurple-getting. Sure, it’s valid. Sure, it’s a potent idea for the core readers of comic books, who have their own nurples -- real, metaphysical and imagined -- to display as war wounds. But I’m just not sure I buy it. I’m not sure I buy beautiful, godlike Clark Kent’s 60,000th lament about not fitting in. (Not when he looks like Smallville's Tom Welling, pictured.) I’m not even sure I entirely buy Heroes’ Claire bellyaching over how her invincibility clashes with her spiffy 1950s cheerleader outfit. (Though, on a more positive sidenote, I do like the suggestion planted in this Tim Kring interview that Milo Ventimiglia's Peter Petrelli may be a Rogue-style parasite.)

Basically, I think all people -- geek and jock alike, and Americans, especially -- suspect they’re superheroes anyway, either as an entitlement or a coping mechanism. So what’s the big surprise when they find out they actually are? Like Hiro, the breakout favorite on Heroes, they knew they had it in them all along. Just once, I’d like to see a character who genuinely can’t distinguish his adolescent license-to-drive self-assuredness from his very real (and possibly dangerous) superabilities.

Sure, there will always be disenfranchised nerds, looking for empowerment fantasies. But the world has changed. The pop culture center has shifted, and the nerds are now the nexus. (Just look at the ratings for Heroes.) This new world demands a steady diet of fantasy. Draw whatever religiopolitical conclusions you want from that statement, but know this much: The sweaty dreams of nerd empowerment are coming true, in this world and in the fantasy worlds we’ve created. The question isn’t one of being different: The question is one of being better. It’s that scary, Nietzschean side of the superhero equation, the more frightening, less attractive side. The hero as aggrieved, ostracized outsider was fine for those first few seasons of Smallville, but it’s time to grow up, grow out, and face the toughest question of all: What does it mean to be "better" in a world where the real-life X-men are Google guys and, let’s face it, there’s a lot more red kryptonite than green? That was the world hinted at in The Incredibles, the best mainstream superhero distillation to date, which some saw as a Red State celebration of and apologia for unbridled American exceptionalism.

On an entirely different subject: Al Gough and Miles Millar, I implore you, please let the Chlois Theory be somehow true. I don’t like tortured, multidimensional crises in my comic-book universe any more than you do, but if that’s what it takes to make Chloe (Allison Mack) the real Lois Lane, then, by Zod, do it. Sorry, Temp Lois (Erica Durance). You've been shown up. The Mack Lois is simply a superior being, and ain't life cruel?

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Chris Sat, Dec 1, 2007 at 10:27 PM EST

My take on it is this: Chloe's two goals, since THE BEGINNING OF THE SHOW, have been to be the best reporter at the DP, and to be with Clark.

EDLois STILL DOES NOT HAVE THESE GOALS. Sure, she is working at the Planet now, after having no interest in it for the three years she has been on the show, but she has never said she wants to be the best.

So why should we want Lois to fulfill her iconic destiny when she DOESN"T EVEM WANT IT??!!

Shouldn't we root for the girl who has been working for the Iconic Lois Lane identity since the begginning of the show?

isagill Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 01:31 AM EST

go chlois go.... allison mack is the best

huzzlewhat Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 09:58 PM EST

Wow. Over a year later, and this is *still* getting comments. Guess it only goes to show how controversial the Chlois theory is.

There was a time that I was half-sold on the Chlois theory — Chloe had Lois-like qualities, but wasn't quite right. That "half-sold" changed to "no sale" the moment Erica Durance appeared. Without using up comment space by going into details, she *felt* like Lois Lane to me, in a way that Chloe never had. Some of the details had been right, but the spirit of the character was lacking.

Now, I think Lois just keeps getting stronger. I especially love her vibe with Clark; while they're not on each other's romantic radar yet, I can see clearly how they'll fit in the future. She's the one character who gets under his skin, who keeps him off-balance, who constantly surprises him, and brings out his playful side. She never lets him take himself too seriously, and that's going to be irreplacable for Superman.

I'd love to see Durance as a full-time cast member!

Liz Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:02 PM EST

Quote:

"AlMiles have stated in interviews several times that Chloe is not Lois Lane- hell, the writers even wrote a line about it in the show! "I am no Chloe Sullivan and never will be."

Yes, thats because Smallville is an AU of Superman where Chloe is, int the producers words a Lois Lanae archetype.

And after "Blue", I take full comfort in the fact that TempLois is "no Chloe Sullivan" nor ever will be.

Whew.

I fully support Chlois.

Shelby Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 10:54 PM EST

After this season its just become so obviously clear this Lois is a "fraud"- in her own words.

Iconic Lois Lane is not a hooker who sleeps her way to the top.

And, so, Chlois it is.

Bring it on.

Bkwurm1 Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 12:24 AM EST

The producers have said the fans can "dare to dream". That's not a no to me. Keep the dream alive. Bring on Chlois. Long live the UCC!

MyMcLife Sun, Nov 4, 2007 at 07:15 PM EST

Okay, seriously? The Chlois theory? I thought this was only a product of way too obsessed Chlark shippers who felt that they only way to get Chloe and Clark together was to make Chloe into Lois, and not something that is ever seriously considered.

Face the facts: Lois Lane is Lois Lane. She's the one with the overbearing father, the nose for always getting into trouble, and the tough exterior. Yes, they did change some parts of Lois's character, but really- what hasn't been changed on Smallville?

AlMiles have stated in interviews several times that Chloe is not Lois Lane- hell, the writers even wrote a line about it in the show! "I am no Chloe Sullivan and never will be." If that isn't definitive proof, than I don't know what is.

Its an insult to the character of Chloe Sullivan- along with actresses Mack and Durance- to suggest that Chloe isn't good enough to be her own character, but must become a different character instead.

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Darnel Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 03:18 PM EST

Smallville is a journey, not the destination. Clark showed some progress this past season, though it was undermined by the return of the Lana romance. He'll be where he needs to be when the series ends. As will Lois.

I've found that people who want Chloe to be Lois really want a romance between the two that won't be doomed like the Lana relationship. The only way for that to happen is for Chloe to become Clark's destined love interest Lois Lane. It's not about iconic Lois Lane at all, or Durance would win that competition hands down.

Lois Lane has always been a ball breaker and she either busts Clark's chops or ignores him, she doesn't carry a freaking torch for him like Chloe does, nor does she do his thinking for him, as Chloe does.

I have three favorite Lois Lanes, Phyllis Coates, Teri Hatcher and Erica Durance. If I was into the soft squishy type, I'd go for Noel Neill in AoS, but even she saw Clark as a rival and sabotaged him once in a while. Chloe is Chloe, never Lois Lane.

Alex Wed, Jun 6, 2007 at 11:25 AM EST

Sorry guys. But Chloe isn't Lois.

She's not even human.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tx407qdy0

This theory has been nothing but a non stop Lois bashathon.

The Chloe fans want something that they simply can't have. So they take it out on SVs Lois and the actress who plays her.

It's pathetic.

Mary Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:46 PM EST

Chloe is SV's equivalent of ILL. Nuff said. She's got the same icons (Perry White and Nellie Bly), same accomlishments (wrote "How I Spent my Summer Vacation", first girl to enter FoS, youngest DP reporter) same goals: "editor in chief of DP" "Pulitzer Prize Winner" "Top DP reporter" and be w Clark Kent/Superman. Heck Temp-Lois herself even told Chloe she's destined to be a big shot reporter at the DP w CK trying to keep up with her...so go figure...BRING ON THE CHLOIS!

george Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 09:54 PM EST

I think Chloe is the best representation of Lois we could ever hope for, bring on Chlois!

george Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 09:54 PM EST

I think Chloe is the best representation of Lois we could ever hope for, bring on Chlois!

Sat, Feb 3, 2007 at 04:10 AM EST

Chloe is very important for Clark and the show. Everybody need a real friend. Allison Mack is a very good actress, she gives the character of Chloe a soul.

brijeana Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:14 PM EST

I love Smallville! We're going through a bit of a rough patch right now but things are looking up come January!

I love Chloe but she's an expositional character ala Willow (Buffy the Vampire Slayer). I have never thought of her as Lois and will never think of her as Lois. So gotta say I completely disagree that Chloe "trumps" Lois.

As for the inconsistencies on Smallville, it seems to me the very reason that Lois Lane's identity SHOULDN'T be challenged. Smallville has done so many other odd things, having an odd Lois Lane would be just one more thing to add to the list. Though, I am enjoying her.

Honestly there is no reason to challenge Lois Lane's identity on Smallville except because of the wish that Chloe were Lois. That spoiler in Season 3 was sadly misinterpreted... Lois is Lois, Chloe is Chloe, some of us may not like it but there it is. :)

Anon Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 10:36 PM EST

chloe doesn't have the arrogence to play lois lane sorry. this whole thing is stupid and fangirly. hey why not lex be really clark/superman since he is obviously a better clark then clark is seeing as clark is nothing like the comics clark since he hates his powers and whines all the time about them where as the real clark embraces his powers and usefulness like lex. ugh whatever.

guest Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 05:36 AM EST

in the comics pete and lana are the first ones and only ones of clark's childhood friends that know the secret. that's why i think chloe can be like lana plus lana had a huge crush on superboy but didn't return they feelings back. the writers had the have chloe there as the real lana cause smallville lana is so far away from comic lana that you could get.

ANON Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 05:33 AM EST

Chloe is the REAL Lana Lang not Lois. just look up the history. Pete, Clark and Lana hanged out together in high school, in pre-crisis, Lana wanted to be a journalist and discover Superboy's secret, and suprise suprise, she was even written as Lois' cousin, they even became room mates and fought for Superman's affection. Same with Post crisis.
Lana is inlove with Clark, he does like her but not as much as in SmallVille and its Pete who is inlove with her, and Lana lives with her father. That is why TPTB don't know what to do with the made up Lana in SV.

Maria Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 02:12 AM EST

Wow, more personal attacks! No, I don't find Erica good as Lois Lane. No, I don't find the writing for 'Lois Lane' worthy of that name on Smallville. No, one more of Al's lies (Pete will get more lines! Jason's not evil! Clana is over!) isn't going to make me change my mind.

I'm with Mr. Brown - it's time for Temp Lois to pack her bags and move on.

Manny Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 08:34 PM EST

What is wrong with them? They are living in fantasy Land. Even the producers laughed about it and told them to keep dreaming. And they know they are big hypocrites. They said with the internet fans that "Chloe can betray Clark to Lionel Luthor and they'll forgive her. Lana looks at him wrong and she's damned." It's so true. So what that they have a site? Clarknlana-Forever has sites. Except that has a basis in reality since Clark and Lana were lovers and actually went out. This is Chloe fans' wet dream and nothin more than that.

Denise Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 01:51 PM EST

What is wrong with you Chloe fans. Erica Durance is doing a fantastic job as Lois Lane there is no way Chloe can be Lois. So I say no to Chlois.

I used to think myself that Smallville had gone way off track with the superman story, but every episode just leads us closer to a new superman story.

LoisMadDogLane Thu, Nov 9, 2006 at 09:57 PM EST

As an Iconic Lois Lane fan (comic, cartoon, movies, radio, etc), bring on the Chlois. Temp Lois throws away what Iconic Lois has achieved since inception.

Kyle Thu, Nov 9, 2006 at 03:11 AM EST

Aiight chlois" or whatever you call it would make smallville a laughing stock of comics and Superman. I will never buy another page if they crap on it like that just for some dumbass wannabe and her fans wanting to make her important. It's exactly like the Lana fans point outm, her fans are so off the deep end they don't realize they laughed at Lana fans for this delusion for so long

Now they are doing it and one mention from a blog gets them excited. Guess what actual magazines had been asking for Clark and Lana to work things out and live happily ever after early in the show-- ain't gonna happen. And this is dumber than that. This is the stupidest idea in the history of television and I will stop watching if they so much as mention it on the show. Lois is made of crazy-tough stuff, you can actually see her and Clark goin at it, but Chloe is a cryin bore man.

Chlois RAWKS! Wed, Nov 8, 2006 at 11:54 PM EST

Excellent article, Scott. I'm thrilled with the way Heros and Hiro is going these days. Less thrilled more than ever with Temp Lois' lightswitches - a barn door made her decide to find her "calling"? Wow. This is the worst version of Lois Lane I've ever seen. And the lightswitches show no signs of slowing down. Perhaps she will be in the Daily Planet by season's end after all, Pulitzer Prize in hand *shrugs* I mean, it's Kansas, right? They have plenty barn doors to go around. One an ep for thirteen eps? Or how many does she have left now? Voila, instant-Lois Lane and Smallville becomes the worst addition to the Superman fandom, IMO. Chlois would save it from such a horrible fate.

Kenneth Wed, Nov 8, 2006 at 10:40 PM EST

No, they realized we were sick of that chirpy squirrel Chloe. She doesn't hold a candle to Lois. And they realized who would sell DVDs so they put her on the cover of one with Clark. Sorry, Chloe is nothing but the annoying side kick, she's despensible. I love me some Lois. More of her, less of Lana and Chloe. Who needs those two girls when you've got a woman in Lois?

I aree with all ya'll who say Lois would never listen to clark or make her feelings for clark do crazy things like some fatal attraction loser. aka Chloe.

Anta Wed, Nov 8, 2006 at 10:26 PM EST

Kudos Scott for joining the UCC. Vote Chlois! I don't know when the PTBs decided that to attract fans to their show, they needed a dumbed down Lois Lane.

David F. Wed, Nov 8, 2006 at 11:32 AM EST

Hiro, the best. I watch the show for him and Nicki who's hot. Future hiro needs to come back and whuup some butt.


Chloe, the worst. I stopped watching when they gave her tons of screen time starting two years ago. I was on board for Superman not his silly Google-crazy sidekick. Sorry girls, that's not a Lois Lane. That's my librarian in wacky clothes who does exposition. I do however make an effort to watch the Erica episodes though. That woman is made of iconic stuff even before she gets to the Planet. And those two are so Lois and Clark. If Lois is temp, Clark is temp Superman too. They are both learning but you know they are going to be huge even before they pick up the pen or put on the cape. Ruin another comic, you can't mess with this one.

Neo Wed, Nov 8, 2006 at 01:36 AM EST

Yep Chole is so over-rated. Bbbut they got traffic to the site form all her computer nerd programmer fans that are in love with her, that was the whole point my friends. You will not hear this outside of a blog where traffic ffrom these crazies will matter. When they get a few talk of this in a magazine hell will freeze over, only two print mentions tops, if ever.

Maria Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 11:53 PM EST

That's so true Mer! Such two faces to think they can transform Chloe to Clark's true love after all those years telling us to give up on Clana. Guess what Lois and Lana at least never sold him out. She's a disgrace to women. Too late for poor Lana but Lois never would stoop so low, she's tough and loyal to the end. Clark doesn't think of Chloe more than a sister. He doesn't even care she's with Jimmy. she's tough and smart and sassy, plus Lois needs to be hot, not look like a round plane jane. geez you chloe people.

Merr Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 11:37 PM EST

Dream on Chloe fans. It's always the same with you. Lois is Lois Lane. I can't believe we have to point this out to chloe fans thinking they can make that gummy tard more than she is while they made fun of us for thinking Lana and Clark should have an open honest relationship. Who're the bigger idiots now? Chloe as Lois? Gag me why don't you. Let's make EVERY computer nerd Lois Lane, that sure is what "Lois" is. Lois could kick Chloe's fat ass all over smallville and no way would she let Clark order her around or set herself back for any guy. Lois is the only great woman we've got left on this show, they already ruined poor KK career by making Lana so awful. How the tables turn, now it's not us clanas but the Chloe freaks who are delusional. At least we know reality when we see it.

Ani Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 07:18 PM EST

I love the Chlois idea. I hope SV does it.

Kewl Chlois! Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 06:50 PM EST

Wohoo, Scott! Great mention of the Chlois theory in your column! And the link to the Chlois.org site! Allison Mack is the only reason I tune in these days.

Harry L. Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 05:03 PM EST

Chloe was not valedictiorian on smallville, but nice try. Are your fan sites that slow with news? Well it is Alison Matt or whatever her name is after all. I like all the Heroes pops on this site I don't come here to hear about that annoying girl on superman who's crazy fans want her to be Lois. What a load a crock. This is what happens when you throw them a bone, they spread all over a good post like disease over one sentence that mentions their obsession. Some of us came here to talk to Heroes fans bums.

+++PS< Lois is great, and is tons and tons better than that chirpy girl barely out of puberty. When I watch this show which I dont usually anymore, it's when I see her commercial.

Nas Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 01:42 PM EST

Sydney, unfortunately having faith in Al and Co creativity and writing abilities (for me anyway) usually leads to dissapointment. I think Chlois would be a great addition to the Superman fandom. But instead barn doors are flying, so I'm sure they aren't brave enough to do it.

Sydney Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 01:22 PM EST

Nas - I would prefer that AlMiles and Co write Chloe creatively without undermining her character than she undergoing a name change. Because Chloe Sullivan getting added to DC universe as Chloe Sullivan will be a good impact to Superman canon and huge achievement for AM in my opinion.

Nas Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 12:35 PM EST

"From your post what I understood was that even though Chloe has all the characteristics of ILL she should undergo a name change to be identified an existing Superman icon. Why can't she be just Chloe Sullivan and get introduced into DC universe as the same Chloe Sullivan and be an icon on her own?."

If I had faith that AlMiles and Co could write an ending to the show for Chloe that wouldn't completely undermine the character and the five seasons of her storylines, so as to elevate Temp Lois to heights of journalistic stardom with the flick of a lightswitch (or flying barn door) so we all know beyond a shadow of a doubt that she is their Iconic Woman and then have this situation translate to the comics so as to continue for the next 70 years, then I would be really psyched about her introduction to the comics as Chloe Sullivan. Right now, it's exciting and not. As it is, her intro to the comics has been happening for a couple of years (despite the recent good acknowledgment from the writers I talked about earlier) and speculation is they're waiting to see what the show does with the character. I don't know for sure whether that's true or not. But this coupled with the track record of the show and their willingness to write in character changes and situations on a whim (an uneducated Temp Lois is now a Chief of Staff for Martha *AND* a journalist with no qualms about agreeing to lie to get her name in a headline; and she will presumably go on to become a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist?)... don't leave me hopeful for a good ending for Chloe, or for that matter, the show's Temp Lois...the Chlois Ending does (and neither has to die for it to occur). I have no idea what they're going to do, but from five seasons of watching the show and the speed with which they're flicking Temp Lois' lightswitches, the ending for Chloe if they don't do the Chlois Theory doesn't look good. But, that's just me and not all Chloisers.

KillahPriest Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 04:24 AM EST

"Okay you 5 Chloe fans that keep posting had your day in the sun with a nod on some blog. It is now November 7th, boo."

And yet, here YOU are, still lurking and trying to get in your last minute insults. And calling CHLOE a "ditzo"? Please!Considering Chloe was the valedictorian of her class, and considering Lois never even graduated from hers, and manages to put her foot in her mouth and say something stupid in every episode, I think you it's safe to say you've got it backwards son.

Kyle Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 02:10 AM EST

Okay you 5 Chloe fans that keep posting had your day in the sun with a nod on some blog. It is now November 7th, boo. Seriously go msturbate to your Allison Matt pictures because Chloe is nothing like Lois or what Lois should be. She is like a retarded little kid always looking for attention and doing whatever Clark wants her to do. There is nothing Lois Lane about that or about her. I love Lois, not the hyperactive ditzo that wishes she was Lois. Payce.

Jenny Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 12:22 AM EST

Way to undermine two different issues.

- Yes, the CW failed in choosing to ignore AM and AM's big fanbased.
- Additionally, the fact that people think Chloe is more like Lois Lane isn't an insult to Chloe or AM. If people know their comics (like one Mr. Brown does) then they know that Chloe was built from other Lois Lanes where TempLo falls flatter than a pancake.

Thanks EW for giving AM, Chloe, and Chlois the attention they deserve!

Sydney Tue, Nov 7, 2006 at 12:11 AM EST

"I'm sorry, if this is not what you meant by your post, I didn't quite understand what you were trying to say. "
From your post what I understood was that even though Chloe has all the characteristics of ILL she should undergo a name change to be identified an existing Superman icon. Why can't she be just Chloe Sullivan and get introduced into DC universe as the same Chloe Sullivan and be an icon on her own?.

LeslieAnne Mon, Nov 6, 2006 at 11:27 PM EST

Chlois! count me in as a supporter! Allison Mack plays Lois like no other.

Nas Mon, Nov 6, 2006 at 10:24 PM EST

I wish we could edit these posts...but: "Why should she undergo a name change if she already has all the core characteristics because the name Lois Lane matters in Superman canon."

Are you trying to say that Chloe should be part of Superman canon? Or that she shouldn't? Or that I want her to be part of Superman canon? There was a chat with some writers recently (possibly on the Superman-Hype board, but I'm not entirely sure)about her introduction into the comics. I saw it sometime last week - which means at some point she is going to part of the Superman canon. *shrugs* I think Chlois makes for a better "Lois Lane" in the end. This is just my POV, but I like the idea of Lois Lane being Clark's best friend growing up. I like a Lois who would have the Wall of Weird while being the editor of her high-school paper. I like the thought of her investigating with Clark never realising their friendship would also be something of legend. I like the possibilities such an alternate identity brings to the character - I have no idea what they're going to do in the comics, this is just my POV, is all. A "Lois Lane" with a secret identity of her own who got up to all sorts of stuff while her best friend Clark was at the Fortress undergoing his training...only to return to find that things have changed with his friend, Chloe? And maybe she has secrets to keep from him? There are plenty of better theories out there, though!

I'm sorry, if this is not what you meant by your post, I didn't quite understand what you were trying to say.

Nas Mon, Nov 6, 2006 at 10:12 PM EST

"Why should she undergo a name change if she already has all the core characteristics because the name Lois Lane matters in Superman canon."

I don't understand what you're trying to say - did you mis-type something?

Sydney Mon, Nov 6, 2006 at 09:32 PM EST

"Further, for Chlois to occur, Chloe doesn't need to morph, her core characteristics that define her as ILL to me, will all remain the same - her character will not change. Her name does"
Why should she undergo a name change if she already has all the core characteristics because the name Lois Lane matters in Superman canon.

Nas Mon, Nov 6, 2006 at 07:07 PM EST

"Why should CW acknowledge AM when this blog proves that some of her fans don't appreciate AM for she being Chloe because they want her to morph into Lois."

Actually my issue with the CW's acknowledgement of AM is that as a five-season regular actress on their flagship show, she should have been a given on their promos and their ads. They *all* should have been, from AM, to John Glover and Annette O'Toole.

I fully appreciate her as Chloe, I think she's amazing. I also think Chloe far surpasses Temp Lois in terms of character development and simply put, AM's talent. Further, for Chlois to occur, Chloe doesn't need to morph, her core characteristics that define her as ILL to me, will all remain the same - her character will not change. Her name does. Chloe is everything I want Lois Lane to be. My problem is that the changes in Temp Lois that need to occur in order for her to become the Iconic Lois Lane are simply too much for me to swallow. And since her lightswitches seem to be continuing, honestly, I have no reason to see them stopping if Temp Lois is it. Her "natural aptitude" for journalism will, by the time she reaches the Daily Planet, be nothing short of legend (and without any education to boot).

Sydney Mon, Nov 6, 2006 at 11:56 AM EST

"Unfortunately, the CW seems intent on ignoring AM and her contribution to the show"
Why should CW acknowledge AM when this blog proves that some of her fans don't appreciate AM for she being Chloe because they want her to morph into Lois.
I think AM personally does a good job of portraying Chloe that DC wants her to add her to their universe which is a great success for AM rather than changing her character to someone who already exists in DC Universe.

borednow Sun, Nov 5, 2006 at 11:36 PM EST

Okay this Chloe thing is really starting to creep me out. I think Chloe fans need to think about one thing, that if Lois dies and Chloe takes her name that would make Chloe insane! Sane people do not go by there dead relatives names it's creepy! Clark knowing who the original Lois was would be forced to try to commit her. It is a sign of completely ignoring the grieving stage by trying to live their lives, thous being in serious need of mental help.

nas Sun, Nov 5, 2006 at 09:24 PM EST

Word, Scott. Thank you for recognising that the Mack Lois continues to be a superior character to the Temp Lois.

Unfortunately, the CW seems intent on ignoring AM and her contribution to the show. And Al Gough and Miles Millar are hardly visionaries when it comes to this show and the stories they tell. I'm sure they are grateful that Kansas has so many barn doors. Perhaps Clark will develope hayfever one day soon and out of his snot Temp Lois will evolve into the "Real" Lois Lane with Al & Co touting her iconic qualities to anyone who will listen. As it is, Green Arrowville continues to steamrolling it's way over the show formerly known as Smallville. I have faith that more barn doors and lightswitches are coming.

Meg Fri, Nov 3, 2006 at 12:24 AM EST

No offence smallville fan but - LOIS is an inferior version of CHLOE? Hawa sa, hammina, WHAT?

Lois Lane is supposed to be LOIS LANE *not* CHLOE SULLIVAN. And Lois Lane, in the post-crisis era in which this show takes place, is a pushy, bossy, can't spell, fearce investigative journalist with a military brat background who can take care of herself when needed - skills which have won her a Pulitzer Prize.

Chloe Sullivan is *none* of those things. Lois Lane is *not* a perky blond who mooned over Clark Kent in HS, who does all his research for him so that he doesn't have to even *try* to use his brain to solve a problem or a mystery.

But by all means Chloe fans, continue wishing her to be Lois. Because, if she became Lois, all anyone will remember is how inferior she was in the qualities that make Lois *Lois* as seen in actors like Margot Kidder, and even Kate Bolsworth.

HiroLover Thu, Nov 2, 2006 at 04:19 PM EST

I've watched some Smallville, and this is the stupidist show theory I've ever seen. There is nothing special about Cloe, but Lois, you could tell right away SHE IS LOIS. It's amazing the craziness you'll find on the internet. LOIS is Lois people. Go back to your Cloe fansites.

smallville fan Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 08:12 PM EST

Scott Brown likes Chlois theory! Excellent!

I agree that TempLois (using that term from now on) doesn't cut it. She is an inferior version of Chloe. The writers got Chloe so right. She is exactly what a young, modern Lois Lane should be. I hope they see the light and make MackLois the only Lois Lane in the end. It would be a huge step in the right direction.

Meg Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:58 AM EST

Another thing - I came into Smallville late - frankly, I only started watching this past summer because of Superman Returns. And, franly, Chloe has always come off as nothing more than a TV Mary-Sue to me, expecially starting in season 2. I mean come on, is there *anything* Clark can't do without her l33t haX0r skillz? The very fact that the writers made her Lois' cousin *and* she knows Clark's secret (*before* Lana - who knew it by this point in the comics!) was another Mary Sue red flag. Even Pete, (who is *supposed to be Clark's Best Friend and know his secret as well) was written off the show giving more time for the friendship between - you guessed it - Clark and Chloe.

If Chloe becomes Lois then, quite frankly, her Mary-Sue journey will just finally be complete.

Talk about lazy writing. The kind of thing you'd see in a Smallville fanfic written by a 15 year old girl.

Chloe is/was nothing more than the proto-Lois. Even thr writers on the show called her that (since DC Comics wouldn't give them permission to use the *real* Lois until season four). It isn't Erica Durance's fault that the character she plays had a lot of her personality stolen by Chloe-the-Mary-Sue.

Meg Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:45 AM EST

Frankly, the minute Clark starts dating someone who used to date (and slept with!) JIMMY OLSEN is the day this show compleatly jumps the shark - and Chloe being Lois would do just that.

I really don't know where this stupid Chlois threopry comes from, other than a bunch of Chloe/AM fans and Clark/Chloe shippers wanting a happy ending. Because absolutly *nothing* about Chloe has ever scremed Lois Lane to me.

dasee Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 01:01 PM EST

Chloe becoming Lois Lane would NOT be a shark-jumping moment, because ever since the pilot episode she has been shown to be an intelligent, outgoing character who loves investigative reporting. The producers would jump the shark if they ever tried to sell us on Lana Lang being the real Lois Lane (she was the Torch editor for one episode, then never wanted to pursue journalism again).
I would applaud the Smallville writers if they had the guts to go with the Chlois theory. It would surprise some viewers, but it would not be a twist that would come out of nowhere (or 'delusional fantasy' as some previous posters have phrased it). Seasons 1-6 would provide plenty of Chlois moments, primarily episodes where Clark and Chloe work together to solve supernatural crimes.

WH Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 12:39 PM EST

When discussing the Chloe/Lois theory, I think we shouldn't have to resort to insulting the actresses (Mack and Durance). Both of the actresses are beautiful and have big fanbases, and rightfully so.
If the 'Chlois theory' ever came to fruition, it would be one of the biggest plot twists in TV history. Detractors of this theory say that it would be a 'jump the shark' moment, but it wouldn't be if the producers planned it as the big revelation in the SERIES FINALE.
The show's writers have dropped hints about Chloe possibly being the iconic Lois Lane as far back as Season 3, Episode 11. If the writers hadn't originally planned on comparing Chloe to Lois, then they should have just introduced Erica Durance's character as her cousin Lois in Season 4 (instead of making a plot point of Chloe actually using 'Lois Lane' as a pen name for her Daily Planet article). The Smallville writers also should have been developing Erica Durance's character all along as an 'aspiring journalist';not just showing her sudden interest in Season 6.
Of course, not all of Smallville's viewers would be satisfied with this twist ending, but it would go hand-in-hand with the dramatic moment when Lex Luthor is finally acknowledged as the 'former friend-turned-villain'. Even if the 'Chlois theory' never happens onscreen, it's nice to know that an EW writer has brought it up on a more mainstream board.

Jesse Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 09:46 AM EST

Word to your views on Chlois, Scott. The Mack Lois continues to be a superior being on the show. Also, thank you for the link to the Chlois.org site. The essays are of particular interest and actually for once make me regret letting the show's Lana worship turn me off getting the boxsets for this show's earlier seasons. Should the Mack Lois prevail, however, I will gladly invest in them as soon as I can.

Nay Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 05:53 AM EST

TThere is a reason why I wrote the entire history of Superman as “I understand it”. See that was my way of telling you that I haven’t studied every Comic book on the subject or watched every movie ad nauseum. Therefore there is no need for your superiority complex. I have already admitted to not being overly versed on the subject.

I choose that orgin because that is the one Smallville is using. I know there are alternate orgins for all the characters. I may not have seen them all or read them all but one thing I do know is that Lois Lane starting her life off as Chloe Sullivan is not one of them. Chloe doesn’t even exist outside of Smallville yet. Thanks for your condescending attitude but I don’t need you to educate me or convert me to your way of thinking. As for your link thanks but no thanks. Life is too short to waste on reading multiple theories on how to turn one character into another especially after having been insulted by the one providing the link.

Life is cruel but so are chloisers. I did not attack you I only gave you my opinion on the whole asinine theory of Chlois. You guys want to live in your fantasy world that Smallville writers will piss off DC just to appease a small narrow minded group of fans than so be it. Here’s a little friendly advice when trying to convert people instead of providing links and insults, you might want to try being a little more friendly, not less passionate but somewhat nice.

V Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 02:53 AM EST

Chlois and Hiro? Welcome to the UCC, Scott. Your card is in the mail *G* On the other hand, Hiro. With a sword. Damn. I can't wait for next week's episode!

Jared Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 11:18 PM EST

""So in order for me to buy into your theory I would have to completely disregard the entire history of Superman as I understand it not to mention the last two years of Smallville. According to you Lois’s life and past mean absolutely nothing. Lois is the Child of Sam an Ellen Lane, sister of Lucy Lane, an army brat with an obnoxious attitude, she smokes, she can’t spell, and got into journalism to prove something to her father.""
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The entire history of Superman as YOU unerstand it??? Well, then let me say that you don't understand very much, because if you did you'd know that the backstory you just mentioned is NOT Lois' backstory in every incarnation of the story. Her story has changed many times over the decades: she has had parents who were farmers, she's been an only child, she's been an orphan, etc etc. Not to mention, that even with EDLois, proving something to her father has nothing to do with why she's chosen journalism. Lois has had several backstories over the years, but you ignorantly assume that she's only ever had the backstory you mention above. Moreover, in the current comic, Birthright, her backstory is still as yet unknown! So maybe you should expand your knowledge of the Superman story before you start shooting your mouth off.

Anyway, like I said, click on the link above and educate yourself, cuz I don't have time to hold your hand through the entire theory.

Nay Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 09:02 PM EST

Changing your last name upon marriage is not the same thing as taking on someone else’s identity. I completely understand you guys want Chloe to keep her past and take on Lois’s future. You want your cake and you want to eat it too.


You say “NOTHING about her past is changed or erased, the childhood of Chloe Sullivan is the same as the childhood of the future Lois Lane - because they are the same person.”

So in order for me to buy into your theory I would have to completely disregard the entire history of Superman as I understand it not to mention the last two years of Smallville. According to you Lois’s life and past mean absolutely nothing. Lois is the Child of Sam an Ellen Lane, sister of Lucy Lane, an army brat with an obnoxious attitude, she smokes, she can’t spell, and got into journalism to prove something to her father. Chloe Sullivan is the only child of Gabe Sullivan, has a good relationship with her father, has always wanted to be a journalist, doesn’t smoke, is friends with Clark and knows his secret. So what besides journalism does the two have in common. People latch onto Chloe’s zeal for journalism and act as if that is enough to make her the real Lois Lane but Lois is so much more than a journalist. A person past makes them who they are. So Chloe changing her name to Lois Lane will not make her Lois. All it does is make Chloe someone who was so dissatisfied with her life that she had to become her cousin, a cousin who according to you guys have done absolutely nothing to deserve such devotion. Why would someone as perfect as Chloe take on the name of, as has been described by her many detractors, a college drop out, muffin peddling, ner-do-well such a Smallville’s Lois. Does Chloe have a crystal ball? Can she see what’s in store for Lois? Does she see potential in her that everyone else doesn’t? I would fine a Chloe who is capable of taking on the identity of her dead cousin to be very creepy and wouldn’t be at all opposed to seeing her being shipped off to the loony bin. Not only doesn’t it make sense but I find it to be disrespectful to both characters. Just because Chloe doesn’t end up with Clark doesn’t mean that Chloe doesn’t have a worthwhile future as Chloe Sullivan.

Jared Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 06:35 PM EST

Nay - your comments have convinced me that you clearly don't understand what the Chlois theory is. You say that it requires Chloe to "morph into Iconic Lois Lane", but that is not at all the case. First, lets make sure we both understand what the word "morph" means...

MORPH: To be transformed.
TRANSFORM: 1) To change markedly the appearance or form of. 2) To change the nature, function, or condition of.

With "Chlois," the ONLY change being made is that of her name, because everything else about her personality is already Lois Lane!!! You say "it completely destroys her essence, her past, and her importance so that she can take on the guise of someone else whom you guys perceive as more worthy" - but that is 100% completely false. NOTHING about her past is changed or erased, the childhood of Chloe Sullivan is the same as the childhood of the future Lois Lane - because they are the same person. You guys DO realize that this happens every day, right??? When a woman gets married, she wil often change her last name.... is she still the same woman, or has she been "morphed" into someone else??? OF COURSE she's the same woman, because nothing else about her changed other than the name that is associated with her. Why is this so hard to understand? That is the ONLY change that Chlois requires. How is that, in ANY WAY, "morphing" or changing her? How is that erasing her past? You really need to click on the "Chlois Theory" link in Scott's article, because it's clear right now that you do not understand it.

Nay Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 05:03 PM EST

It seems to me that the proponents of this theory are the biggest Chloe bashers of them all. Instead of loving and respecting the character that the lovely miss Mack has so wonderfully portrayed over the past 6 seasons you want her to somehow morph into the Iconic Lois Lane. Wow, great way to support your fav! Basically you’re saying Chloe as Chloe is not good enough. The Chlois theory kills Chloe. It completely destroys her essence, her past, and her importance so that she can take on the guise of someone else whom you guys perceive as more worthy. Say what you want about Clana fans, but at least they only wanted to change history not turn Lana into Lois so that she and Clark could live happily ever after. So it seems Chloe haters and Chlois fanatics have one thing in common, they both agree that the Character of Chloe should die.

Jared Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 04:55 PM EST

"Tool, get your facts straight."

I love it when someone tells someone else to get their facts straight, and then proceeds to say something completely inaccurate. Let's talk about FACTS shall we? This is the actual dialogue on the rooftop:

ARROW: "I saved you."
LOIS: "YEAH, from goons who were looking for you."

She acknowledges right there that is was NOT Green Arrow who kidnapped her, but rather the people who were looking for him. When she wakes up, the people who were torturing her are gone, she is in a different place, and Green Arrow is asking her if she's OK. She KNOWS that the GA did NOT kidnapp her, but what's the title of her article? "KIDNAPPED BY THE GREEN ARROW" - A clear LIE. FACT.

Nick Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 04:37 PM EST

Tool, get your facts straight. She stretched the truth about when she'll find out his identity. From her point of view she was kidnapped by him and stuck in the middle of a power struggle between him and his enemies even though HE said he saved her life. Why should she believe him? He's the vigilante that's robbing people.

I LOVED THIS EPISODE MMOOORE LOIS!

Jared Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 12:02 AM EST

Ok, so as of "Arrow," Temp Lois has lied TWICE in two episodes in her articles - the Green Arrow wasn't the one who kidnapped her, and she knows that! When has "Lois Lane" ever knowingly submitted a bogus story just to get a headline???

Christian Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 11:03 PM EST

Okay, when did I get lightswitched into a forty-something Desperate Housewife? Now that's a lightswitch worthy of a Flying Barn Door Award.

BTW, UCC-ers, new passwords since there are *whispers* moles around.

*looks around wildly*

"Arrows are flying and the Temp Lois is using spellcheck."

Shhhh. Don't tell anyone. It's a *secret*.

Nick Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 04:18 PM EST

I don't know who Lucy is but I know we should get more LOIS Lane! Great show on Thursday! Cloe's alright but I'm tired of her! Lana got more interesting than her which I never though good happen so she's yesterday's news!

jovi Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 01:34 AM EST

Temp Lois is more like Lucy Lane, so what's your point?

Dee Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 01:04 AM EST

She just said she doesn't watch the program. Hooked on phonics didn't work for you mebbe?
It's funny how youaalll act when you realize the world doesn't bow down at Mack's feet like you do. People think she's more like ICONIC LANA LANG than Lois if anything http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&t=24201
AMChloe is nothing special. Bring back Pete ross. HE was a better sidekick just teach im to googgle.

jetedetest Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:31 PM EST

Chlois all the way!

Durance Lois could leave w/Ollie to Star city for all i care...actually I would prefer she leave.

carlos Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:29 PM EST

well kelly, you came back to answer me. How is that any different? You think you are above us? when you do the same thing? Please cut the crap.

You had to see what was going on for yourself? ha...please don't you know how hypocritical you sound?

Figures an edLois fan would think this way...

Kelly Anne Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:25 PM EST

No carlos actually, it takes about as much time to laugh at these losers as you would coming back her to read my answer to you. But it's not just for laughs. We just had to see it for ourselves once or twice after someone outed what was really going on, why our mailboxes were flooded. It was bound to come out eventually. Don't think executives take spamming of their email accounts at face value without having someone getting to the bottom of it. It also happened to be funny. I didn't even view this program to come in with a bias but crazy and duplicitous is what it is. I'll leave it at that. auf wiedersehen

Sarah Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:21 PM EST

Chlois theory is an interesting idea, and I support it fully

Josh Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:12 PM EST

I agree get rid of Chloe and give us more Lois. Chloe is like the junior high loser always looking for attention the way she talks & tries to tag along. I laugh when Clark runs off. Poor Jim can do so much better.

Lizzie Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 05:25 PM EST

Oh wow, we've moved past personal attacks to creating logical fallacies. Way to go.

I'm a 19 year old and I still love Hiro and I still love Chlois. The idea that some how only "older crazy people" could love Chlois is so false; especially as the very same claim could be over layed on top of the Temp Lois fans (I've run into my share of 40 plusers who think that Durance is amazing, most of them left over from Zoomway and her fantatics.)

Time and time again, Temp Lois fans attack their other fans. What's really sad is that they take it as some kind of personal vendetta (they even have a site about assassinating people who 'stand in their way.') rather than realizing - there are real people on the other side.

And real people who have a valid reason for being on the other side that has nothing to do with "Mack", shipping, or any of that. It's about not wanting Lois Lane to be a uneducated buffoon.

carlos Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 04:43 PM EST

Kelly Anne, I find it so funny that you call AM fans obsessed when you are a mole at her various communities...if that's not obsession I don't know what is...

umm go chlois!

Kristine Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 02:04 PM EST

On a show where Clark Kent has outright said he wished he didn't have any powers, and considers his power to hurt Lana the''greatest'', has tried to shirk all responsibility by drowning himself in Red K, on a show where Lex has been a good guy and done good deeds for a good portion of the time, on a show where Lionel Luthor is more like the Lex of the comics, on a show where other canon characters like Flash (thief), Mxy (Russian hypnotist), AquaMan (eco terrorist) are all vastly different from their original comics, the singling out of Lois as aneathmic to her comics origin strikes me as odd, and does unfortunately expose an ulterior agenda by fans who seem to think so.

To say that Smallville's Lois has absolutely no Lois like trait smacks of an ulterior agenda, because clearly, some people are just completely choosing to ignore those traits. And focus only and singlemindedly on what's not there. I can see the reasoning. Maybe a lot of Chloe fans did think that she'd turn out to be Lois somehow, despite repeated denials by Al and Miles, Allison Mack, and pretty much everyone involved in the show. Then along comes the actual Lois, played by a different actress, who is obviously not going to have the exact same storyline of journalism that Chloe did, due to avoidance of repetition, but the writers would give their own take on her. An army brat, a bit of a free thinker, someone finding her way, apparently rejecting her destiny, much like Clark and Lex, but who eventually, and in two seasons only finds her calling. In the meanwhile the character is bestowed with writing and investigative talents worthy of Lois Lane, persoinality worthy of Lois Lane and anvils dropping left right and centre worthy of Lois Lane. Those who wish to, can choose to ignore these things, but they're there. And this year, more than ever, with her journalism and possibility of Clark's feelings awakening for her, as per Al Gough's TV Guide interview, all the more it's looking to be a good, solid Lois year. Erica Durance continues to give the character her all, and the writers, are finally being more consistent with her too. That's my one and only Lois out there, as endorsed by the media at large, and not just random online samplings.

Ash Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 01:17 PM EST

With Chlois in EW and Lana apparently returning Clark's manhood as she gives Lex a go...well damn. This show might be worth returning to if they continue like this!!

Dina Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 01:03 PM EST

To the Chlois fan who appreciated my post - thankyou. And to anyone who feels like I'm being too polite, well, someone's got to start on this blog, eh? ;)

The sad thing is that I can totally see why Lois, Chloe and Lana fans are all so upset. The show doesn't do a stellar job of writing female characters. Chloe is too jack of all trades, being lumped to plot/exposition device, whose scenes and life in the show seemingly revolves only around Clark. If you're not a Chloe fan, then this look can get old and irritating, real fast. Lois is too anvil oriented, not enough development. If you're not a Lois fan, then eventually you're going to get frustrated and just give up on her altogether. Lana is too much the arm candy only, with no real story purpose. If you're not a Lana fan, then little about the character is going to appeal to you.

But OTOH, all 3 characters have their fair share of redeeming qualities too. And I can see why Lois, Chloe and Lana have so many respective fans.

Speaking as a Lois fan, I personally love the way, firstly Erica Durance breathes and injects life into the role. A lot of credit for the character goes to her, when the writing lets its down. Lois is tough talking, and sreet smart, but often displays that vulnerable soft underbelly. She's inherently loyal, to her family and friends. She's always there with advice and support when Chloe or Clark need it. She's proven an excellent writer in Facade, Devoted and now Sneeze. She's shown all the investigative skills in Crusade, Gone, Facade, Devoted, Recruit, Blank, Exposed, Solitude. She's proven a worthwhile and committed campaign manager and Chief of Staff. And she's someone on the show who tends to own her actions, even if they are mistakes. And her relationship with Clark is so very appealing. Everytime I think of their scenes in Crusade, Gone, Facade, Devoted, Pariah, Commencement, Arrival, Exposed, Oracle, and Zod, I get a smile on my face. The chemistry, the heartfelt of feelings, yet the quickness of banter, the smiling faces, or the teasing glances, I'm a sucker for all of it. And though anvils are heavy handed sometimes, most of the Lois ones I adore still, because I just end up getting a goofy grin on my face, in anticipation of the future.

So there it is, just my opinion as a Lois fan. And why I love her and why I believe to the core that she is and should remain the only Lois Lane of the show. And I'd wager that these opinions are shared by all Lois fans alike.

Maggie Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 01:00 PM EST

I love Hereos. LOVE it. The online comics, I think, are a great touch because then (like this weeks) you get to see it applied to more than just Hiro. (Who is awesome.)

Also, Chlois? Wow that is actually kinda freaking perfect. They should definately go there, and I hope they will. That big kiss at the end of last season makes a LOT more sense in light of it!

Jack Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 12:46 PM EST

Had Lois Lane been nothing more than Superman's girlfriend I would long ago have embraced the Temp Lois as the real deal. ED's talent continues to grow despite the lacklustre script time she continues to get. But Lois Lane for me has always been more than the tag-along to Superman and that's why Scott, I was thrilled to see the Mack Lois gain such attention in your entry. I've never quite considered the Mack Lois the geek though. Google Xman is definately something I can get behind (g) Her investigations with CK and her efforts and contributions to it make for more interesting viewing than CK pondering the virtues of Yahoo versus Google on his lonesome or should we regress to the earlier seasons, lamenting the time it takes from his adoration of Lana Lang. Great article, Scott! Hope to see more about Big Blue when the Donner versions are released later on.

Felise Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 12:34 PM EST

chenni47, don't waste your time. Fans like that are to critical thinking as water is to oil. Let her believe her her heap of flawed assumptions, it's more fun that way.
AMChloe? Great let's see how they like it now that we have a comparable way to treat their "AMChloe", an open check to say what we want about both the actress and character just like they do. AMChloe. I like it.

AMChloe is a sad subsitute for Jonathan who they shouldnt have killed, Jonathan knew how to do those scenes with Clark's super powers. Instead of using time from everyone else, stick AMChloe in a room, she can do her computer voodoo from there and just call the other characters on the phone. That way we don't have to see AMChloe to make these comments. We can only comment on what we see. Isn't that what they say about EDLois and Lana. Perfect.

Lana Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:57 AM EST

They are all wrong and make me mad. they say Lois is not just a plot device for chloe but then why say that lois should be leading lady now and not lana?

Lana is leading lady for always.

Chlois supporter Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:45 AM EST

I'd agree with Dina that it's possible that the Chlois suggestions many of us see with Chloe Sullivan, are just there to keep the fanbase happy, and it's very likely that Al and Miles never do plan to go anywhere with it.

What also makes it interesting to a lot of us actually, is not just Chloe and anvils we see there, but the way that the Lois Lane has been developed in comparison. I realize that there were restrictions, so perhaps previous seasons may be discounted. But in Sneeze Lois's introduction to journalism was written in such a light-hearted manner that Chlois fans are doing a double take, and wondering what the writers are up too. Especially when Chloe's story has been carefully developed over five seasons, and the writers seem far more invested in her.

I'm inclined to agree that the Chlois theory probably isn't viable, and thanks for your reasoned comment by the way, Dina. I suspect that Al and Miles are simply more invested in Chloe because she is their original character, and they do have some other plan for her. But I can certainly understand the comparisons being drawn between Clark, Lex, and Chloe's character arcs, and how Lois isn't treated as much like a canon character. I believe that the writers are allowing Chloe Sullian to take the place in canon of Lois Lane, hence the current bickering and hatred on the fan boards.


I don't however believe that AlMiles ever intend to actually make Chloe Lois. So it's highly likely that Smallville will end with neither set of fans satisfied. Lois fans will feel that she was denied the journey, and rightful relationship with Clark, that went to Chloe Sullivan over the course of the series. And Chloe fans will feel cheated that the place in the future goes to the character who we don't feel deserves it as much

Hill Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:41 AM EST

You're being too nice, they are seeing what they want to see. The producers scoffed at it, they are not stringing anything. If they want to ignore reality and everyone confirming that reality that's only their fault. This coming from me who thiought they would finally do Clana right. Just take a gander at that loon Sonya there. They talk about Chloe like she above everyone needs to get everything she wants. I totally agree with you Lana. Mack fans do it to everyone especially Lana and they start whining endlessly when someone dissess their object of obsession, not thinking about how mean they've been to Lana fans since the show started.

Dina Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:08 AM EST

Well, one things for certain. This blog got exactly what it set out to achive - mass amounts of feedback. Set up a comment about something like Chlois, and this was to be expected. Lois and Chloe fans, on opposite ends of an already bitterly divided fandom, duking it out.

My personal opinion is that Mr Gough and Mr Millar know exactly what they're doing. Perhaps they're intentionally stringing along some Chloe fans by apparently placing some Lois like traits in Chloe, that obviously a great many of us others fail to notice. I'm not denying that they're not there. But perhaps that is the intention? To string fans along till the end, so as not to alienate any fanbase?

If that is so, then I think it's extremely wrong. And should stop, for the sake of all fans involved. But I cant influence the show creators, and neither can anyone else. At the end of the day, Smallville has a large online fandom, which is obviously divided b/w camps of Lois, Chloe and Lana fans, all speaking vitriloc hatred against each other and the characters. One set of fans is going to be extremely heartbroken when what they desired doesn't transpire by the end of the series. And I'd put my money on those fans being the Chlois fans, because clearly, IMO in their desire is most deterimental to the host and multitude of other factors involved in the show.

Erica Durance is not a plot device waiting to be killed off so another character can take her place. She's an actress with her own solid fan base, complete, unequivical endorsement and support, moreover consistently by the show creators and the network, and DC Comics, and an actress, who in a very short time has garnered more publicity than some of her peers. She is regularly interviewed by several different magazines, is loved by a great many Smallville episode reviewers, and is recognized by and large in the general media, and convention circuit as Smallville's Lois Lane. I have full faith that Erica Durance is the one and only Lois of Smallville, and will remain so, always.

Lana Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:43 AM EST

I'm a fan of Lana Lane the real leading lady. Chloe and Lois fans bash Lana all the time but now its bad to make fun of Lois and Chloe. What a joke

Who cares if people call them EDLois or AMChloe. you same people come up with nasty names for Lana

chenni47 Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:01 AM EST

I'm saying that the same few Clois fans are spamming us over and over. I'd like to mention that the Kryptonsite board has polls every year that are known to the official writers because they log IPs, and no way anyone can spam it.
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You call an online poll legitimate because its tracked by the IP logs. Since we are in the disenfrachised nerd community right now can you assure me that there is no way to get around it. I can get different IP logs just by using different environments to connect from.


And Chlark won best couple (and a whole bunch of other categories) and Clois barely made it to third place. So if any group is the minority, yet spamming the comments, it would seem to be the anti Chlois people.
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Are you sure all the online fans participated in the poll?. If people who like Clois didn't vote in that poll and if they comment here its called spamming. I am a Clois fan and I didn't participate in that poll just because its an online poll but that doesn't mean I will not write my opinion about the theory here.

Sonia Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:42 AM EST

"No, it's a war against Chlois people. Get over yourselves and get some fresh air."

Hey I'm not the one bringing up being a MOLE at Chlois sites

People are mostly posting to rant and rave about the Chlois theory, and the actual article is not even being discussed. Of course half of the commenters are from fan boards. You are naive to suggest otherwise

Chlois! Wohoo! Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:34 AM EST

Scott! Chlois? *wohoo* Thanks for a great mention of Chlois and AM's talent on the show! Hopefully SV will pick up momentum between that and Clark's "hero" issues for the rest of the season. I'm cringing at the thought of him bemoaning his loss of Lana yet again or developing the intrest in EDLois out of nowhere (thus far). And Hiro? Continues to keep me hooked on that show. This week's cliffhanger *killed* me. It was amazingly good and I can't think how they can keep up endings like that, or if they will *shrugs* Either way I'm along for the ride!

Margaret Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:19 AM EST

"I'm saying that the same few Clois fans are spamming us over and over."
You're joking? What is this "us"? This is your site? This is an EW website. The more you talk the more delusional you sound. Anyone that does not agree with you is both a spammer because of course no one could possibly NOT like Chloe, Mack, or Mack's acting. That's just not possible? This has to be a joke. So of course the only explanation is it's the same person and it's some DL thing. DO you mind explaining to those of us who don't live and breathe this show what DL is? You're so far gone you think people know what you're talking about, that your site is the end all be all in seeing the most popular characters, and that if people don't like your beloved Mack then they can't be DIFFERENT people, but one person! I can tell you right now not one of the kids that come over to watch with my kid ever talks about this Chloe person. It's all about Lana and Clark and Lois. It sounds like you Sonia who is spamming" and "DL" ing. Did it occur to you that away from the Chloe friendly moderating people are saying what they really think on a magazine's website? No, it's a war against Chlois people. Get over yourselves and get some fresh air.

Annoyed now Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:01 AM EST

I'm saying that the same few Clois fans are spamming us over and over. I'd like to mention that the Kryptonsite board has polls every year that are known to the official writers because they log IPs, and no way anyone can spam it.

And Chlark won best couple (and a whole bunch of other categories) and Clois barely made it to third place. So if any group is the minority, yet spamming the comments, it would seem to be the anti Chlois people. It would make more sense for the Chlois fans be the ones to find this article and comment, because it mentions the Chlois theory favorably.

Yet we're overwhelmed with people bashing Allison Mack and her fans, can you blame people wondering if it's the DL board spamming again?

Now let's be clear. I wouldn't even mind the anti Chlois fans commenting if they could manage reasoned discussion with us. But no, instead it's screaming that the Chlois theory is stupid, and how dare Scott bring it up

And EDLois is a way of talking about Lois. If we meant Erica Durance, we would say Erica Durance. Hello, not all or even most of Chloe fans have a problem with her at all.

If we're talking the Chlois theory we need to differentiate between iconic Lois Lane, and Smallville's Lois Lane. That's all it is. Cool down

Linn Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 08:23 AM EST

Sonia, so you here are saying you cois people are all real and the ones that don't like Chloe or like Lois on this thread are not? What the hell is the DL board? Because you think so, so it must be fact? This is so very sad.

Anyone who doesn't see they are attacking the actress when they say "ED" read it E. D. in "EDlois" is a bimbo is beyond delusional. They've crossed into psychotic.

I'm sorry then, let us rephrase since putting together the actress and character in the attack is acceptable in some psychotic way: "AMChloe" is a waste of screentime and a gummy bimbo. AMChloe will not find much popular work after superman so you'd better enjoy AMChloe twitchy acting while you still can. AMChloe is as Will put it so perfectly a glorified bimbo secretary. In fact, she is completely unnaccable as the real Chloe Sullivan to me. SJPete actually embodies all the things an iconic sidekick geek is SOPPOSED TO embody, I vote he turn into the REAL Chloe Cullivan and get rid of the sad excuse for a character and actress in AMChloe.
There we can play by your rules too.

Sonia Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 08:00 AM EST

So if one person attacked Kristin with pro Lois comments 50-100 times, then could about 50 of these messages be from the same Lois fan spamming? I wonder!

And who cares if you can't stand Chloe? We are talking about calling the ACTRESS ugly when she is a real person with feelings. "a bimbo like EDLois" is not the same at all. EDLois is a fictional character. It's just a nickname for the Lois like Nois or tempLois.

The DL board is still not justified in ripping apart Allison Mack so viciously

And I would really love to know what Chlois groups you are a mole at, I wouldn't mind joining them myself! Talk about fabrication. There aren't any Chlois boards. Way to bring over dirty laundry from the DL board, after they were caught out spamming, and try to make out that other members of fandom have sunk to your level.

Kelly Anne Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 07:06 AM EST

At least that's one person. It's not nearly as sad as the strategic mail-bombing organized within certain Mack communities using fake email addresses. I am a mole in quite a few of these, I don't care about any of this but I found this kind of obsession something needing observation. All this to get a mention of a theory tacked on to a single blog being hailed as legit within 7 years of media coverage in the show history. Many of them are years past the target for this show, some even in their thirties, housewives, and obsessed with this Mack. Very interesting but mostly sad. I like the show with the namesake but carlos you made me realize I really watch Desperate Housewifes several times a week.


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