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Live-blogging the Oprah-James Frey smackdown

Jan 26, 2006, 04:36 PM | by Gary Susman

Categories: Books, James Frey

115144__frey_l_14:00 p.m. Yeah, reading Gawker's account of the taping earlier today spoiled some of this, but the printed account can't do justice to the rare sight of Oprah in righteous-anger mode. She begins with a brief recap of the scandal surrounding A Million Little Pieces, up to her phone call to Larry King defending Frey. ''I regret that phone call. I made a mistake, and I left the impression that the truth does not matter.'' Snap! ''To everyone who challenged me on the issue of truth, you are absolutely right.''

4:05 Oprah confronts Frey face to face. ''I really feel duped. More than that, I feel you betrayed millions of readers.'' Then she starts grilling him point-by-point on the particulars of The Smoking Gun's report. ''Most of what they wrote was pretty accurate. They did a good job,'' Frey says. He admits for the first time that he was in jail for two hours, not 87 days. So he was not in jail, as he wrote, when Lilly committed suicide. ''I made a mistake,'' says Frey, who admits he altered details about every person in the book.

4:10
Oprah says she believed Frey and his publisher when they vouched for the veracity of the book, so why did he lie? He says that he was coming up with ''a coping mechanism.''  "I thought of myself as being tougher than I was, badder than I was," he says. Still, he says, ''not very much'' of the book was fabricated.

4:13 There's an audible groan from the audience when Frey admits that Lilly didn't hang herself (she cut her wrists, he says). Oprah notes that he keeps referring to the people in his book as ''characters,'' so why didn't he just write a novel?

4:15 Asked if he ''conned us all,'' Frey says no because ''nobody's contesting that I was a drug addict.'' Still, Oprah insists, ''you presented a false person.'' Audience applauds.

4:17 Asked if his account of dental surgery without Novocaine was true, he says, ''I wrote it from memory.'' Audience sighs again. Frey concedes that it may not have happened as he remembered it. Oprah all but rolls her eyes as she calls him a liar. Audience applauds again. Man, this is painful and awkward.

4:22 In taped segments, newspaper columnists Joel Stein, Stanley Crouch, and Maureen Dowd give Frey verbal spankings. MoDo says the book doesn't deserve Oprah's seal of approval.

4:23
Frey's editor, Nan Talese, joins Oprah and Frey on stage and says Frey's manuscript came to her as a memoir. Says she once had a root canal without Novocaine, ''so it wasn't a red flag to me.'' Says she didn't learn of the fabrications until she read the Smoking Gun report. She asks if she should have asked Frey, ''Are you really as bad as you say you are?'' ''Yes!'' says Oprah. Asked what responsibility publishers have to fact-check their books, Talese suggests there isn't much. ''It seems no one was liable,'' Talese says. This doesn't wash with Oprah, who berates Talese while Frey, sitting between them, gulps and swallows uncomfortably. Talese uses an anecdote about Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter's divergent memoirs to show that people remember things differently, as if Frey's embellishments were a matter of perception. ''It should say 'Based on a true story''' Oprah says.

4:30 Oprah confirms the New York Times report that a Hazelden staffer contacted the show before Frey's initial appearance last fall and warned them that his account was dubious, but she adds that she called Talese's company, and they assured her that Pieces was accurate. Talese acknowledges that it's a sad situation for Oprah, who cuts in and says, ''It's not sad for me. It's embarrassing and disappointing for me.'' She complains, ''Anybody can walk in off the street and say this is my story.'' That's true, Talese says, then goes on to make a distinction between memoir and autobiography. A memoir, Talese says, is ''an author's recollection of a particular time.'' Unlike Frey, Talese isn't going to give an inch to Oprah today.

4:35 Stein is back (on tape) saying that he still liked the book even after learning it was fabricated; he just doesn't like the author anymore. More spankings from Crouch and MoDo as well.

4:36 Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen comes on. Oprah praises him for calling her ''deluded'' after the Larry King show; he pats her on the back in turn for today's program. Tells Talese, who he says is a friend, that she should hire a cheap fact-checker, who could have determined in half an hour that Frey's opening account of boarding a plane with a bloody hole in his face couldn't be true. ''I can't even take a third piece of luggage on board.'' Cohen also says he's never been addicted to anything stronger than bagels. Ba-dump-bum! Tip your waitresses generously, folks.

4:42 New York Times columnist Frank Rich calls this scandal the ''tip of the iceberg.'' Says we now have a culture of Stephen Colbert-style ''truthiness'' rather than actual truth.

4:46 Roy Peter Clark, senior scholar of the Poynter Institute, snarks that Frey wrote in his own book: "Remember the truth -- that's all that matters." Suggests memoirs be rated on a truth scale, from completely true to ''total BS.''

4:50 Oprah says she hopes he was joking when he remarked about having a gun backstage, presumably to kill himself.

4:54 "This hasn't been a great day for me," says Frey.

4:57 Oprah's final thought? A quote from New York Times book critic Michiko Kakutani: "This is not about truth in labeling ... this is about how much value contemporary culture places on truth."

5:01 Oprah pours herself a tall, frosty one. (No, not really. We were lying. Just to be clear.)

Floeys Thu, Nov 2, 2006 at 04:34 PM EST

Hello.
I gotta tell ya. I know I am late with the Frey Comments. But? I hope that P.O.S. Frys for his lies.
As a Writer and a viewer that watched this story and read both books had and still has me very upset still.
I beleaved the SOB and felt sorry for him. To think that any person went through what he did. What a strong person! And to think if he can pull himself out of his depresstion? And all the pain he went through with the drugs and drinking. I admired him. And then to find out he lied.
Even some of my friends did beleave him as well. And we were left with his last words. I am sorry that is not good enough for us. But? We learned to live with it.
I also want to ad this...
I am adopted and am looking for my real mother. (Praying I will)
But for me? Someone that was given a chance to live and create my life with my Husband Dan and Daughter Raven. I am apalled at "Mr. Frey" People that admire or look up to others for whatever commfort they wish. Were misslead.
And that I wish for those Faith in knowing that it is JAMES FREY and his family that will live with the pain for his lies. And the less sleep at night. I am terrabley sorry for thoses that were misslead. And lied too by this missarble soul.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

OprahSucks Tue, Jul 4, 2006 at 06:40 PM EST

keep doin ur thing frey...hey u didnt get a car on the show but thanks to her bitching you out on public television in front of millions of viewers i bet ur book sold way over expected because it caught even more interest. so send the whore a thank you card.

Lisa Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 11:56 PM EST

I stand by James Frey's journey of battling his addiction. His story was truly motavational and inspiring. What Oprah did, was uncalled for and unprofessional; although, it is true that he did embellish his story the essence and the message he was trying to convey is still there. OPRAH, on the other hand, had no right to bring this poor man back on television to humiliate him infront of millions of viewers in order to better and keep her reputation. Oprah, for once, its time not to think about yourself. Your journeys to Africa are lies. Your friendship with gail is all lies, you pay her. Your weight is also a lie, they alter your covers on the "o" magazine because its not true that you have maintained your weight as viewers think you have. SO BIG SHOT, YOU ARE A LIAR AS WELL. We are all victims of lying. WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY.

Good day Oprah.
And James Frey, may your story be commended. "Hold on"
Your fans still stand by your recovery. We all look up to you.
And Oprah, your fans are followers. You have disgusted me and I no longer can look at you in the same light as I had for so many years. You have nerve and you should be ashamed of what you did.....I think it's time we viewers dicuss your mistakes as a so called "role model"

C Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:23 PM EST

Reading through the lines for years, Oprah is a smooth operator when it comes to reverse discrimination.If the author of this book had been black,this interview would have NEVER been aired on TV.She loves portaying whites in a negataive light.Wake up america!!! Amazing how OJ, Michael Jackson,Diana Ross(dui charges)and many other blacks will never be exposed on national TV as whites are on her show.Marcus Dixon was on her show because he is black,and she was trying to get her black brother off the hook for rape charges.I doubt that if Marcus Dixon were white, she would have been concerned about his jail sentence.She is a racist pig, and gets away with it everyday.She got a taste of her own medicine with Hermes, which she claims was due to racism.Could it be that they were closed, and that the world does not revolve around Oprah?If her studio was closed for the day, would they let someone in 15 minutes later? I think not!When will she stop thinking she is Jesus Christ? I am also over blacks playing the race card. Pick a new one!!!

Emily Shukers Fri, Feb 3, 2006 at 01:31 AM EST

"MoDo says the book doesn't deserve Oprah's seal of approval." my ass. who the FUCK is OPRAH to have some kind of fucking SEAL of approval? well, let's just lay it out. james frey is a genius and still a hero in my heart so who the fuck needs her worthless fucking seal?? this shit makes me angry as hell. to come back with all this shit and dump on this guy, who just poured his heart out? did they not read the rest of the fucking book?? did they not read the parts where this guy poured his heart and fucking soul out in attempt to help others? who the fuck cares if he embellished anything? it's HIS story. as far as i'm concerned, it's the losers (whom, by the way, clearly have nothing better to do with their time than ruin other peoples' lives, so they need to find a new hobby) but it's THOSE losers who let the readers down. NOT james frey. fuck them.

Patrick Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 12:23 PM EST

Oprah is only concerned with her precious reputation, and frankly I am tired of hearing about this crap. There are more important things going on in the world, rather than Oprah's poor feelings.

PAM Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:11 AM EST

I THINK THEY'RE ALL CROOKS; IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DOLLAR. FREY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO SUBMIT THE BOOK AS A MEMOIR IF HE WANTED A DEAL, PER THE PUBLISHER. SO THAT'S WHAT HE DID. FREY HAS A PUBLICIST WHO BRIEFED HIM WHAT TO SAY; SO THAT'S WHY HE SAID WHAT HE SAID. NAN AND FREY ARE BUSINESS PARTNERS AND ARE PLAYING A GAME OF HIGH STAKES AND SO FAR THEY ARE WINNING THE GAME SO WELL THAT WE SHOULD CALL IT A SHUTOUT. IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST OPRAH, THEY JUST PIMPED HER; IT'S JUST BUSINESS. NOW, OPRAH KNEW BETTER THAN TO FOOLISHLY AND BLINDLY ENDORSE ANYTHING WITHOUT THOROUGHLY CHECKING IT OUT. SHE WOULD'VE TURNED A DEAF EAR AFTER THE LARRY KING COMMENT IF SHE HADN'T RECEIVED SUCH BACK LASH FROM HER VIEWERS AND BEGAN TO FEAR FOR HER REPUTATION. THEN OPRAH, I GUESS, PURCHASED A VOWEL FROM VANA TO SOLVE THE PUZZLE "JAMES FREY; FAMOUS AUTHOR WHO MADE MILLIONS OFF OPRAH AS HE KNOWINGLY RUINED HER REPUTATION". I'M UNCLEAR ON THE RACISM DISCUSSION, BUT MY OPINION IS THAT IF OPRAH IS RACIST AGAINST ANY PEOPLE IT'S HER OWN PEOPLE. I THINK THAT OPRAH HAS A FAR MORE DISCERNING EYE FOCUSED ON AFRICAN AMERICANS. I THINK SHE BUYS INTO THE SAME STEREO TYPES THAT HAVE CIRCULATED FOR YEARS, SO SHE'S EMBARRASED OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, AND THEREFORE TENDS TO DISASSOCIATE. I ALSO THINK SHE IS AS FAR REMOVED FROM HER CULTURE AS MICHAEL JACKSON IS FROM ADULTHOOD AND PROBABLY FEELS THE SAME STRANGE LOVE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS THAT MJ FEELS FOR DADDY JOE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A WEIRD "AFRICAN AMERICAN WITH MEGAMILLIONS" PHENOM OR WHAT; I JUST KNOW IT'S SAD AND MAKES IT HARD TO BE ENVIOUS OF THESE TWO PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE OBVIOUS EMOTIONAL PAIN THEY'RE IN. I THINK THAT IF FREY WAS AFRICAN AMERICAN, OPRAH WOULD'VE DEMANDED HIS STORY BE CHECKED, CHECKED, AND RE-CHECKED FOR VALIDITY, THAT IS IF SHE WOULD'VE SO MUCH AS THOUGHT OF READING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. OPRAH SAYS THAT ONE WHO MAKES MISTAKES WAS WARNED OF IT BEFOREHAND AND IF ONE DOSEN'T LEARN THE LESSON AND CONTINUES TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE, THE WARNING BECOMES MORE PRONOUNCED AND TYPICALLY HAS BIGGER CONSEQUENCES. I THINK SHE SHOULD LISTEN TO HER OWN ADVICE. SHE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HEAR THE WHISPER NOR THE TAP ON THE SHOULDER, SO SHE GOT A BUNK ON THE HEAD. HELLO, IT'S WAKE UP TIME, OPRAH.

Karla Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 04:34 PM EST

Hey thanks, Richard and MJ.

Richard, since writing my first bit, I watched the documentary on Enron - The Smartest Guys in the Room. I don't think it was brilliantly made - I was annoyed by all the music cues and re-creations - but I was interested in the incredible energy put into spinning the Enron mess into something it wasn't so the people involved wouldn't lose their power. Like the Bush family backing away from their close friend Ken Lay, etc. Or Ken Lay meeting with Schwarzennegger to make Gray Davis into the fall guy (Davis was then the governor of California, which Enron sucker punched mercilessly to make their pretend profits) so that battered Californians could naively focus their anger on Davis.

I realized that all the music and video clips, though, were there to keep people engaged, because Enron was a very difficult story to follow, with shenanigans on top of falsehoods on top of posturing and redirection. Yow!

So yes, Oprah simply and lengthily calling out a lying guy on the air is probably a very good thing for Americans to see - because most of us just get sucker punched by spinmeisters all day long. It was also cool that she reversed herself after publicly defending Frey on the King show - because you don't see that a lot. But the reversal is probably what merited the hour-long attack. She needed to not look waffle-y, and she needed backup, which of course she got in spades.

But it wasn't just that - it was also the Oprah power grid crushing any attempt to reduce its power. But here's the thing, she allows people like Dr. Phil to hang off of her, and I've seen him promote very sketchy ideas and products, and use audience members like theatrical set pieces to increase his own position as an unwaveringly correct authority on life. So lies and manipulations don't seem to be the real focus if the manipulations work for Harpo, Inc. in the way Dr. Phil's do.

Oprah has done a great deal of very important things in her career, and considering the absurd amounts of power she wields, she has remained admirably not insane.

But this was corporate theater. Maybe it's a good message for corporate theater to promote - don't lie. But the other part of the message, played out over an hour, was also - Don't lie to this corporation, because we're powerful, we know where you live, we can get to your boss, and we can hold you personally accountable for something that is actually a coin of the realm in entertainment and business, though no one wants to admit it.

The point was certainly to publicly flog James Frey, but it was also a re-establishment of Oprah's position as a taste and opinion maker, a reconnection with her audience as a hero of the people, and a warning to anyone else who might attempt to mess with the Harpopolis.

Richard Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 12:38 AM EST

By far and away, I think Karla hit the nail right on the head as did Jeff. But as uncomfortable as it was to watch, Oprah had to do the smackdown on the show--it was the same vehicle they had used to give him credibility and it was necessary, if only in the interest of preserving the power of that medium, her show, to use it to deconstruct him. Yes, she could have done without the clips from reporters berating him so she didn't have to(considering her questions got to the point pretty effectively). But to allow him to get away with it by "issuing a statement" or devoting 5 minutes to it and then moving on would be to weaken the approval that her name emblazoned on each book she "chooses" implies. She gave him power and credibility. She had to be instrumental in taking it back. James Fry is not the first writer to lie in print and benefit from it, but that doesn't mean that bending the truth and feeding it to the public is "old news," "been there, done that," "not important." So what he's not the only one. So what if the details were minor, as far as Frey considered. He didn't make mistakes in recalling events or people, he made things up intentionally just because he found it more entertaining. It's wrong. It's indefensible. So while this may not merit the frenzy of contempt the media is trying to manufacture for all parties involved, the central message of the show that truth is valuable and worth fighting for--and about--is valid and sorely needed regardless of anyone's personal opinions of Ms. Winfrey or Mr. Frey.

Jeremy Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 05:34 PM EST

@ Stef speaking of hate filled, way to accuse people you don't know of racism just because they were against Oprah. I hate Oprah's show does that make me a racist? For the record I thought what she did to James Frey was wrong, although I'm sure he was nicely paid for it. But just because Oprah's not a politician doesn't mean we can't accuse her for flip flopping after what she said over Larry King.

Jeff Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 03:17 PM EST

I hate to bring mommy into this (although Frey already brought his own on Larry King!) but to quote my own mother: WERE YOU RAISED IN A BARN?

Let's start from the top: lying is wrong. Frey did a hell of a lot more then "embellish." He said he was incarcerated for more than 80 days, where he was befriended by an illiterate murder who hit him over the head w/ a metal tray until he placated the fellow by reading "War And Peace" to him, and when he finally served that long stretch in the slammer it was, alas, too late, his girlfriend hung herself...

Uhhhhmm, except he was only behind bars for two hours. So none of that stuff coulda happened.

That's not a "foggy memory," and that's not "protecting identities," that's all-out bulls**t.

I only wish Oprah had shown a series of clips of Frey on other talk shows over the last two years exclaiming that everything he wrote about in his books, no matter how improbable, actually really truely happened. Can you really feel sorry for this lying clod who profited through his deception? Can you really defend this? And what was it like being raised in a barn by dishonest farm animals?

"It's not really lying if most of it is true, or if it sounds like it coulda happened.."
"It's not really lying if people enjoyed the book anyway..."
"All books, even memoirs and autobiographies, are filled w/ lies..."

If you really think like this, maybe you need to check your own level of honesty. Just because you may be full of crap doesn't mean everyone else is or should be.

Oprah made a huge mistake defending the liar Frey on Larry King. She did the correct thing this week by admitting she was WRONG and adding that every single one of her detractors was absolutely correct.

Don't feel sorry for Frey, who still seems unable to completely come clean here -- "I was really protecting people..and, er, I probably have some kind of complex or something!" After all, he promised earlier in the week to sue the SmokingGun for those inflamatory comments....oops, that's right, now he says they were completely correct after all.

I hope Frey stays sober, and perhaps someday comes clean to himself and the folks that read his books believing them to be true. Maybe he will even consider donating some of his profits to charities that help addicts.

Bernard Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 02:04 AM EST

The thing that bothered me most about Oprah's beatdown of Frey and, by extension, Nan Talese: on the show, Oprah took them and especially Talese to task for Talese's army of fact checkers, lawyers, and the like not verifying every single fact of Frey's memoir before "betraying millions of readers, including Oprah.

But, back up. Doesn't Oprah employ her own battallion of lawyers, fact checkers, producers, production assistants, researchers, and God only knows what else? I mean, is there anyone out in the universe who believes that Oprah — who is incredibly selective about anything she endorses — doesn't at least have the resources on her own to verify the validity of any claim made by any Johnny Come Lately who has a gadget to hawk, a service to offer, a product to sell or a book to push? And would Oprah really put her imprimatur on anything that hasn't been thoroughly vetted by her own team????

After all, Oprah herself said live on the air that after reading several passages in the book, including the novocaine-less root canal section, that she found some sections completely unbelievable. Why didn't that send up serious red flags for her, instead of asking the author only, "Did that really happen?"

When calls came into her studio before she announced the selection of the book that not all the facts were accurate, why did she at least not wait to verify them?

And even though she says that the thousands of emails and calls she received in support of the book "clouded her judgement" in making the call to Larry King Live, it must be kept in mind that details of exaggerations and falsehoods had already been reported and verified by TheSmokingGun.com a couple of WEEKS before the LKL interview and her subsequent call-in. Why didn't she have her people's people's people check up on the rest of the assertions in the book before she picked up her Bugatti diamond encrusted cell phone?

I'm not Oprah-bashing here, but it seems to me that Oprah's disengenuousness goes far deeper than berating Frey and Talese on the air, backed up by that amen chorus of Stein, Dowd and Crouch. Oprah's show was as much about damage control as it was "clearing the air" in search of "the truth." Oprah herself isn't the blameless victim she's making herself out. She isn't some overworked nurse's aide who wandered into Wal-Mart and picked up a copy of Frey's book almost purely on the say-so of America's Most Trusted Media Authority.

Oh yeah, Oprah is the trusted media authority who told that overworked nurse's aide to buy it in the first place.

Marcia Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 08:11 PM EST

Oh, and another thing - the whole theme of the book is now thoroughly undermined: accepting accountability for what one has done, taking personal responsibility and blaming no one but yourself for what you have become. Faux Frey did none of those things coming face to face with the truth on Oprah's face. He squirmed and squealed and blamed. "Probably both," his famous last words. Faux Frey, you can't have it "both" ways.

Marcia Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 08:03 PM EST

The Liar Faux Frey submitted his manuscript as a memoir because in the current book market memoirs are big sellers. To everyone who says, "It still would've meant something to me if it were listed as fiction," I say, you NEVER would've bought it in the first place and Faux Frey would be yet another anonymous, financially challenged, good writer, his fantastical, yet good story, woefully under-read.

Kathie Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:56 PM EST

first of all to derrick...were you addressing me as a loser?

second, to marissa...yes, i would have directed that question to anyone black, white, yellow, who makes such a noticeable distinction between races in how her whole tone with them goes on her shows.

and to joshp......i am what is wrong with this country? you have no clue whether you are what's wrong with this country, much less whether or not i am what is wrong with this country! point one finger at me, and you have 3 pointed back at you.

Derick Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:45 PM EST

So wait...let me get this straight:

FIRST, Oprah goes on Larry King Live to defend Frey because she was so "clouded" by all the emails from people saying they were inspired by the book. THEN, she has her own show where she takes it all back, because she was "corrected" by many who emailed her.

No wonder her audience is a bunch of zombies- she can't even form her OWN opinions, how can we expect them to?

Jason Chicago Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:41 PM EST

Regardless of whether or not you still think this is a good book, you have to step aside and understand that this is a person that said "100% of this is true." and stated that his girlfriend hung herself while he was in jail for 87 days -- then it turns out she slit her wrists and he was only at the police station for 3 hours. that's a HUGE difference. This could have all been a moot point had Frey or the editor/publisher stated on page 1 of the book that "while some creative license has been taken by the author, the underlying addiction message remains true. based on a true story."

Emily Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:36 PM EST

I understand the importance of truth in journalism. But, for me at least, I read books for entertainment. I loved A Million Little Pieces because it was touching. I would have loved it even if I knew it wasn't true. What I don't understand is why Smoking Gun felt it necessary to try and ruin an inspiring book. Who is this whole thing doing any good? It's just scandal for scandal's sake. Leave Frey alone- he's been through enough and he's trying to make a new life for himself.

Denise Wilson Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:11 PM EST

The FACT remains that James Frey WAS a drug addict and WAS able to pull his life together and live to tell about it. FACT: James Frey has saved numerous lives! Fact: James Frey is truly an inspiration!
After reading James' book, I now have a more in-depth idea of what drug addiction is all about. And who knows, maybe James' exageration's were very real to him. Congratulation's James! You are a life saver!!! Oprah.....get over it! You have much bigger issues to conquer.

Ally Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:05 PM EST

Oprah just jumped the shark! Her public flogging of James Frey was uncalled for and distasteful for it's self-righteousness. The one piece that NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has addressed is the publishing industry that marketed the book (which is not up to the author) and WHO IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE for calling it a memoir as opposed to a 'novel based on a true story.' My bet is the poor guy was just a starving writer caught in the 'Marketing/PR' of the publishing industry. Frey cannot slam his own publisher that published and marketed his book, nor Oprah who helped greatly with the success of the book - he's caught between a rock and hard place. Additionally, he just doesn't have the the speaking skills required to go toe to toe with Oprah and the other 'so called experts.'

James Frey does not seem to me, an attention-seeking nor malicious person, rather just a guy that wrote a story. In the end. all this mis-directed controversy should not detract from the essential story of a drug addict's survival, Frey's ability to relay the most bare raw imagery of that journey and his talented skills as a writer.

MJ Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 02:51 PM EST

Karla: BRILLIANTLY stated!

Kathie: Green is the only color that matters in this case. Actually, in most cases.

I haven't read Frey's books nor have I watched Oprah for many years. However, I have been following the fallout of Frey's outing with great interest and it struck me that what you saw was actually a debate over the definition of the word 'truth'. And that this debate took place on Oprah is both hilarious and deeply disturbing to me.

JD Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 02:48 PM EST

Although I think that James Frey got what he deserved, and Oprah was justified in her public beratement of him, I worry that this whole media blitz might cause him to relapse, or worse, kill himself.
In his book, he mentions that he seriously considered suicide during a very low point in his life. Now we all don't know whether that's true, but in case it is, maybe we should all back off a little bit and let the story blow over.
Maybe in a week this will be old news and we can all move on.

Sarah Rogs Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 02:16 PM EST

I personally have never read the book. I remember watching the Oprah Winfrey Show where she stated that this man kept her up at night b/c she was so eager to read what was going to happen next. It did not make me want to buy the book b/c I am not possessed by Oprah.

Anyway, when somebody believes in something, let them. Have we all forgotten that we give children hope and belief that there is a Santa Clause out there? Why do we do it? It gives them something to look forward to or up to. I believe that somebody who was/is struggling with addiction that felt hope when reading this book is a powerful thing. Everyday and every minute there is somebody out there struggling with addiction and their own hard lives. If you read this book and now feel betrayed, remember that.

Taliah Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 02:11 PM EST

I just have to say that I find it funny how people thought Oprah spent so much time "abusing" Frey. I mean, Frey originally went on the Oprah show to tell his story and peddle his "memoir". He received an hour of adulation and thanks from people who drew strength and inspiration from his “real life” story. Those who used his story to beat their own addictions, good for them. However, I will venture a guess and say that the vast majority of Frey's readers were not addicts using this story as inspiration to beat their addictions but normal folks who were awed by the man's ability to overcome his drug addiction AND his ability to present that struggle in a moving and stylistically beautiful way. To find out that the vast majority of it was a lie and to have to go on Oprah to own up to the lie he perpetuated through the SAME medium...well, I say that is Karma. He used Oprah to sell his books, tell his sob story, receive thanks from recovering addicts, and the esteem of millions. He SHOULD be made to return and reap what he had sown, which is the disillusionment and lies that he had planted months before.

I do not feel sorry for Frey. He received an hour of adoration when he was named to her book club and he received an hour of approbation when he was removed. That seems fair to me.

Coli Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 02:03 PM EST

I watch Oprah almost everyday and have enjoyed her shows but yesterdays show was tough to watch. Maybe her staff should have checked the facts before recommending the book. James Frey didn't bring the book to her. At least he was man enough to take the bashing. I kept thinking how embarrased his mother must be to see this happen. He's not the first author who has embellised a story. Other authors should reject being on Oprah's bookclub.

Beth Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:33 PM EST

This is absolutely the most important world event that has happened in the history of the planet. I just don't know how anyone can think of anything else. Not hunger, not disease, not child abuse, not animal cruelty, not war, not homelessness ... I could go on and on about all the other circumstances and events that no longer seem at all important.

tory Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:26 PM EST

As disappointed as Oprah was with Frey...triple it and that's how I was left feeling regarding Oprah and her lack of handling the situation yesterday on her show.

She at least should have allowed a professional who deals with addiction and post traumatic stress to be included in this public lynching.

I was disgusted and disturbed with her going on and on. A mere apology and brief statement would have been plenty.

OK...so he lied or embellished...the fact still stands that this book has helped millions - doesn't that count for something??

I used to be a huge Oprah fan until yesterday. Her lack of grace and compassion... risking being a part of pushing him toward possible relapse or a suicide attempt from such humiliation...in order to keep her public image glowing??? Well- I now see her in a completely different light.

Eric Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 12:16 PM EST

I couldn't help feel a bit sorry for James Frey as Oprah felt the need to pump her own ego by throwing him under a bus. Did he lie? Absolutely. Was it wrong? Absolutely. But why did Oprah feel the need to pull him on her show and parade him in front of her conformist flock? It would have been just as informative with the panel discussion she provided - but having her audience there to cheer or jeer (depending on her cues of course) her every comment was just cruel. While I feel that Oprah is a humanitarian at best, her audience needs to learn to have a mind of their own stop treating her as their own personal God.

Having read the book, I still feel that the actual truth remains in the story of his redemption. I take some of the events with a grain of salt now that I know that several facts have been changed, but that doesn't really change the way the book affected me emotionally and the way I often related to his voice.

I give him credit for facing the music - even if he was stuttering and looking terrified most of the time. This was a situation where many people were wrong, and rather than discuss it and learn from it, it became a witch hunt. Yesterday wasn't about James Frey- it was about Oprah. But then again, isn't it always?

Jon R Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 11:08 AM EST

If you say you were in jail for 87 days, and you were only there for two hours, there is no creative non-fiction: just lies.

JoshP Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 11:04 AM EST

Dear Kathie,
You are part of the problem with this country.

As for Mr. Frey, dude needs to get him some media training. With his bumbling and deer in the headlights expression. How could that man I watched be the same man I read about?

Stef Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:56 AM EST

Why spend a whole hour verbally bashing this guy. They should have just given him a spanking in the first 5 minutes and saved everyone 55 minutes of extreme discomfort.

Marissa Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:35 AM EST

i think that Oprah did the right thing and bring out Mr. Frey --- she would have done it to "anyone".
@Kathie, how sad that we must always bring color to it all. if Oprah was white, would you have made that comment?
@Mary, you must be a hater because you continue to bring back the "fake hair" thing. are you having a bad hair day?
@Maggie, the way you type is ghetto, so get off yourself.

Mat Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:30 AM EST

I don't know how many times I read a history book or an autobiography, and thought to myself "How did they remember all that dialogue?" or "How did they remember all the details from 30-40-50 years ago?" I'll tell ya how...its called embellishment. How is this surprising to anyone?

Stephanie Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:21 AM EST

I felt horrible for James...it was so unfair to rake the man over the coals in front of millions of people.i hope he doesn't fall apart into a Million little Pieces after what was done to him.So what he embellished to make things a little more interesting.I beleive he had to change things for people privacy.I'm sure alot of writers do.its not like he hurt anyone and people enjoyed his book and thats the main thing.There's people out there that make alot of money that are a lot less talented.So if became rich with Oprah help then so be it !

Jason Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:08 AM EST

First of all shame on the Smoking Gun for starting this attack on artistic expression. If they are willing to attack Frey, then lets all get ready for attacks on all memoirs. It is true that memoir is misunderstood, and maybe even I don't have a complete grasp on what is and isn't accepted, but surely James Frey lying in a style of book that is loosely interpreted as the memory of one individual is less obscene than the lying that occurs with our politicians and in our media and journalism. The Smoking Gun should crusade for truth in a place where it really matters. Shame on the general public for requiring "truth" in art for gratification. Your shallow approach to art and your misunderstanding of memoir have created this controversy. Memoir is not journalism--it's not even autobiography. Finally, shame on Oprah for going back on her original rational response to this mess. I have to say that I have never been a fan of hers, but with her original reaction I thought to myself that finally, someone is responding rationally. If we are worried about millions being duped, and someone making a fortune off of the duped, let's lynch Oprah instead.

derrick Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 09:50 AM EST

What a loser..kathie... this is the first time ive heard race been thrown into this situation.. Black or White. WHen oprah feels shes been wronged, and has many reasons to believe so.. SHE IS GOING TO COME AFTER YOU...She is a death dealer.. she kills and pardons as she pleases.. Its just how she has progressed...

Kathie Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 09:29 AM EST

oprah the mighty...can make or break!

how awkward and embarressing for her, her"guests", and her audience that she has to resort to such a public humiliation of someone on national T.V. if the book helped someone, who gives a flip if the details were embellished?

i wonder if the author had been black if oprah would have carried on so about the details? i seriously doubt it.

however, any opportunity she gets to "take down a white person a notch or two", she certainly seems to embellish!

Jayne Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 09:10 AM EST

How about a survey of people who actually READ both of his "memoirs"... I'm sure you'd find the vast majority of readers thought they were reading non-fiction.
As I read, I was in awe of James Frey. As I watched Oprah yesterday, I only felt he got what he deserved.

cathy Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 09:08 AM EST

Matty in the Morning, in Boston, played an interview this morning his did w/Frey SIX MONTHS ago, and he asked him how he remembered so much detail in his books. Frey said, (i'm paraphrasing :-) "They called it a memoir, I'm not sure they should have. It's about my life but I'm more interested in the reader having an awesome experience than whether or not it's an actual, factual representation of events." So, six months, ago he had absolutely no qualms being honest about these books. I think he just got caught up in the Oprah machine and didn't know what to do. I'm not sure this is entirely his fault - a simple "based on a true story" would have solved EVERYONE'S problems right now. I loved both books. I actually got my teenage daughter to read two whole books (so that was great!)that gave her a great warning about the price of addiction. I give him great kudos for having the cajones to sit on that stage w/the almighty Oprah yesterday. And I think she was a little over the top in meting out her heavy hand of justice.

mary Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 09:08 AM EST

Why does everyone keep forgetting that Oprah calls James a liar while wearing fake hair?

Maggie Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 09:03 AM EST

A Million Little Pieces" by James Frey
I am sick and tired that you people treat Oprah as the best thing that happen to America since apple pie, who the hell is she, ok she mada millions, but that dosen't make her better than any other American let alone a most influentila woman in this country, I watched her show few times and this woman dosen't know how to talk, she talks like people in the gettos ex: "she dont know" give me a break, she is a giant bitch and I do not care if she was conned ,so what she had the man in her show and made money by having him there, they both deserve at each other.

Ali Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 08:48 AM EST

I am a huge Oprah fan but this was the second time that I have felt extremely uncomfortable watching her show (the 1st time was the season opener, with the President of Hermes apologizing to her). Yes, James Frey was in the wrong for embellishing his memoir - but did it really merit her bashing him on TV? I completely disagreed with having people from various publications in clips, basically name-calling and bashing him. He did not deserve that at all. Very disappointed that Oprah went to that length to show James Frey that he was wrong. I went away from that show feeling sympathetic for him.

pn Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 08:10 AM EST

This book would never have grown to be this phenomenom, if it was originally published fiction. It grabbed people's attention because of what people taught they were reading was the truth. I don't know about all of you but when i'm reading a non-fiction book i like it to be like that NON-FICTION. And the degree that he lied about certain characters and hiding behind the shield of protecting the real people is just bulls**t, he did it so he make the charaters more interesting. James Frey is no different than someone that lied on their resume to make it look more impressive and got caught. I felt a little duped as well.

Kim Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:48 AM EST

I agree that the attention given this book has gone too far. Personally I think when a book is marketed as a "memoir," it should be based on truth, not truth with a few embellishments. And if the book is as good as its supporters claims it is, then it’ll still be a good book if it’s marketed as fiction.

But then again, if the book was indeed marketed as fiction, it wouldn’t carry the same weight as a personal story would.

mark Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 02:10 AM EST

A good book is a good book period. I think that making a huge issue of this is ridiculous. Real or fake, what does it really matter? If the book is helping people, fine. If it's not, fine. Who cares? James Frey is talented and we all know that. And, to be honest, I'm glad he didn't have to suffer through all of the things in his book. And holy crap, what a great actor he turned out to be!

Karla Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:54 AM EST

You know, the real point of this circus is that Oprah has reasserted her power. This woman can make or break people, all pashmina scarves and fabulous toe sandals aside. On one hand, she is the public face of a monstropolis that can, with one mention, send a book or a product's sales into the stratosphere. She can even get a governor elected in California, to the shame of the nation. If she loses her hold on that - her power structure could teeter. She can't afford that, and if a very public and excruciatingly uncomfortable and stagy smackdown of an author she's endowed with her imprimatur is necessary, then so be it. Whatever else the show was, it was also a flick of Godzilla's tail.

On the other hand, she has to maintain this image of folksy humanity, where gosh darn it, she made a mistake. But it's interesting that she offered that image along with a very extreme power play, which was to bring out Talese - a very powerful person in her own right, to use as a whipping boy. It is fascinating that Talese and Frey allowed themselves to be used in this way, but a connection to Oprah is the Mother Lode for any publisher or writer. Allowing themselves to be publicly humiliated is smart business,though gut wrenching to have to witness.

This was some brilliant and highly manipulated public drama - and it's interesting to see that people are eating it up - loving Oprah more or standing up for Frey instead of objecting to the fact that this was a self-serving piece of corporate theater and not in any way a personal glimpse into Oprah's life or her internal processing.

Entertainment, infotainment, reality shows - they're all utterly manipulated images, and just as much of a lie as any told by James Frey. Oprah couldn't have gotten where she is without a Freysian mix of truth and fiction, and to attack him for it is awfully disingenuous. Yes, he needed to be smacked down, but not in a full-on Roman coliseum.

D Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:26 AM EST

Didn't see the show, but does anyone else think that James is freakin' hot? Liar or not, this man is damn sexy.

Amanda Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:13 AM EST

I read the book and absolutely loved it. Whether it's true or not, that doesn't matter. It was a wonderful story and helped many people get help for their addictions. I still love James Frey and think he's a fantastic author.

jon Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:07 AM EST

By the way, did anyone else feel the sonic boom of Oprah's rage reverberate from Chicago today? If you felt a sharp wave rush through you in the late afternoon, that was it...

jon Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:05 AM EST

Just so we're clear: I haven't read the book but I have seen the show. Oprah's point (which I agree with) isn't that Frey altered aspects of people's lives so as to protect their privacy and their own truths, but that if that was the case, it needed to be clearly STATED at the beginning of the book just so people know. Journalists do it all the time when they change someone's name or occupation. It doesn't make the tone of the article less true, it just informs you that some specifics aren't so don't believe those...

Megan Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 12:34 AM EST

A memoir is based on memory, it's never going to be 100% true. The line between creative fiction and creative nonfiction is thinner than ever. I would think Oprah would know the difference between a memoir and hard news, seeing as she was in journalism once. Changing details to hide identities is not lying, it's being responsible. Frey still battled addiction which is what REALLY mattes, not trivial details. It's still a great book no matter what Queen Oprah says.

Jake Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 11:57 PM EST

I can't WAIT for the Saturday Night Live parody version of this!!! That is, if they know what's good for them!

Emma Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 11:30 PM EST

Regardless of the outcome of Frey's story I think Oprah's handling of the issue was very unprofessional.

It was so uncomfortable for all of us to watch and I think ultimately she is the loser (because, of course we do judge winners and losers). As much as this is an issue, her handling of it was that of a prima donna.

A professional approach would be to deal off camera - conversations, letters from publisher, author, talk show host - and then issue a "statement".

Awful, it was awful.

Stephen Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 11:26 PM EST

anybody who has NOT read "A Million Little Pieces" by James Frewy has absolutely NO right to say anything. period. The book is an incredible read and made me realize that reading about someones hard-knocked life can be life-changing. Good luck to James Frey. He is a wonderful man.

barney Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 10:58 PM EST

um, Derrik? Bill Clinton did write his BIOGRAPHY-which is not the same thing as a memoir-
I saw the show and have read both of James Frey's books. They were really well written and good stories-and I do wish they were true. But I felt sorry for him today-it took courage to sit there and take all of that....

Nancy Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 10:16 PM EST

I was travelling by plane all day today, so I didn't see the show. I'm glad I read that third piece of luggage line in your live blog, though. After carrying a backpack, a small purse and two bottles of Okanagan wine through three airports today, it gave me the laugh I needed.

kenneth kaminski Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 08:48 PM EST

Did not see Oprah's program, but I have read Frey's book; at a time when I was battling my own personal demons. His "memoir" brought solace and catharsis at the time; now what can I say? What a disappointment.
Is "MY FRIEND LEONARD" also a book of lies?
Shame on you Mr. Frey.

Wade Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 07:06 PM EST

LMAO!!! thanks for the live blog it was AWESOME!!!! I was at work and missed the episode, but your version had my co-workers and I in tears laughing. I bet the comment about the "third piece of luggage" wasn't even as funny had I heard it on the show. Kudos Gary! Once again u slay me...

Jenny Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 07:03 PM EST

I think we can take today's show as a clear sign that Oprah will indeed be running for office. Just like a politician, she conveniently changes her mind according to public opinion.

Tim L, I agree with everything you said.

derrick Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 06:58 PM EST

So much for the much anticipated "Bill Clinton" memoir.. Didnt he push it back?.. Everyone will be ready to tear it to shreds...

THANK GOD JK ROWLING MADE SURE HARRY POTTER WAS A FICTION BOOK AND NOT A MEMOIR.. LOL @ HER lying about harrys parents death(killed at the hands of lord voldemort) when in reality they just died while practicing spells to kill him with. HAHA THATD BE FUNNY

Jonathan Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 06:47 PM EST

man, i wish i saw that.

Nicole Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 06:24 PM EST

This show was truly difficult to watch. I found myself listening more than watching because, though I find Frey's admissions late in coming, I still found it hard to watch him get attacked. Oprah, who I often find to be a bit self-congratulatory and preachy, was excellent today. It could not have been easy for her. I read this book long before all of the hype and then controversy, and enjoyed it immensely. I defended it to several people after the Smoking Gun report. I still feel that when it's all said and done, this is a great book. However, I feel that Frey is coming off as a sulky little boy who has been caught lying to his parents. Hopefully he will learn from this experience and grow as a person. I will look forward to reading any fiction from him in the future, but I will not read his second memoir. Once bitten, twice shy.

Tim L Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 06:17 PM EST

I totally agree about Oprah being freaking arrogant. Why does she think that being duped is some sort of national tragedy? The message of the book is still the same and if you feel so outraged Oprah then get over yourself. We all get embarrassed on a daily basis, dozens of times over, I'm embrassed right now. So get over yourself and stop acting like your a god of literature. You got fooled just like the rest of it. Get over yourself!

cate Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 06:08 PM EST

i just keep wondering why everyone cares so much. he's just some guy who wrote a book. who cares whether it actually happened as long as the story means something to people. in my opinion, oprah has become so arrogant that it's hard to watch her show at times.

jana Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 05:37 PM EST

I don't want to love Oprah, but the way she conducts herself is truly admirable. She's the real deal. God, I love her.

kj Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 05:25 PM EST

oprah wasn't trying to 'save face.' she was truly humble...admitting she was wrong, apologizing to her audience and saying she shouldn't have made the call to larry king. she was acknowledging she made a mistake, not trying to cover her butt. i didn't agree with her standing behind frey and i truly admire her doing what's right.

James Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 05:23 PM EST

why would he say he has a gun back stage? bizarre if it is a lie and he has obvious problems; wacko if it was true and he and Oprah have immediate problems. He is out of his mind either way. Very strange. I saw a brief clip of it on cnn.com and I felt very sad for him because he looks destroyed, which he rightfully is, but man that is a tough one. I'd understand why he would want to kill himself, just would hope he doesn't do it. He is kind of a drama-queen, just kind of, LOL.

John Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 05:18 PM EST

How convenient that Oprah now turns on Frey after defending him because the public does not buy either of their stories. His was fabricated and she was so intent on trying to save face that they both ended up looking like fools. This is why people should not blindly believe everything that Oprah says. She makes mistakes like everyone else.

Tommy G Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 05:17 PM EST

You know, I'm a writer and I embellish a whole lot, but I'd never try to pass it off as a "true story" unless it really was. Someone out there somewhere knows the truth, and is more than willing to sell it to the tabloids if you ever make it big.

So be good, boys and girls, and save the lies for the Fiction aisle. 'Cause you certainly don't want to be on Oprah's "bad" list.

brandonk Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 05:14 PM EST

Ooh, it's sooo dramatic! *Yawn*

derrick Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 05:00 PM EST

well we can all thank oprah for giving us many more reasons to thank and love her. i almost feel sorry for her becuz on the larry king interview she was so deepy convinced that she was standing up for what was right. only to find out that she was lied to by the author of the book as well as the publishers(money hungry corporate hounds). This show was really akward to watch because oprah was clearly upset and james fry was... well i dunno however one wants to describe him. I loved the journalist commentary clips.. Those were interesting. And I agree with what one of the journliast said. THIS BOOK DOESNT DESERVE OPRAHS SEAL OF APPROVAL. But I am eagerly awaiting to see todays "Oprah After The Show". Once again lets all thank Oprah for having the balls to admit a wrong and for standing up for whats right and whats true.

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