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Dean Winchester, you’re breaking my heart.
After last week’s nail-biter episode left us with a monster of a cliffhanger, we picked up this week’s Supernatural just moments later. But what unfolded was nothing like what I’d expected from this episode, which, by the way, was directed by Jensen Ackles. [Don't read any further if you haven't watched Friday's Supernatural.]
I had expected this week’s episode to take place primarily in the hospital, where Sam and Dean had been taken after a bad run-in with a Leviathan. But all the suspense and worry that had built up around their predicament peaked before the opening credits even rolled. Weird. After that, I wasn’t sure what to expect.
Wait, that’s a lie. I went to Comic-Con and had seen a short preview, so I knew that this episode would feature a return from mini-Sam (Colin Ford), flashbacks to Sam’s first kiss, and revolve around a hunt that hit close to home for our Moose. But I didn’t know how it would all tie together…and I certainly didn’t expect that final-minute twist with Dean that made me audibly gasp.
So how did it come together? I’m glad I asked on your behalf.
After escaping the hospital, we flashed forward three weeks and found a cast-sporting Dean watching novellas and Sam still rattled by hallucinations. While on a solo outing to fetch food and pie (he 50 percent failed in his mission), two-legs read in the local paper that a string of murders was taking place. But the M.O. was more than familiar to Sam.
The rest of the hour used a combination of flashbacks and present-day scenes to explain how Sam had once, as a kid, had a run-in with the young version of the monster that was now doing the killings — and, I might add, he also scored his first kiss from her. That’s right, people, Sam’s had his monster attractions since he was a kid. Geez, this boy clearly has a type.
Sam stole Dean’s car and took off on his own to confront the girl, named Amy, and threatened to kill her because she was clearly no longer innocent. But she appealed to him, saying she was only killing because her son needed fresh meat to get over a sickness. Now that he was healed, she was done killing, she said. She also played that whole I-killed-my-mom-to-save-you card.
So Sam let her go. This was sort of a relief to me because it showed that no matter how broken Sam is, he’s still Sam. That was something that had been worrying me — and, I imagine, worrying Sam as well. I’m glad Sam can, even with his broken noodle, still see the gray areas of a situation. Dean, on the other hand, seems to see things as black and white as ever.
After catching up with Sam, Dean tracked Amy to a motel and told her that no matter how much she doesn’t want to be a monster, another time will come where she will have to be. And he couldn’t let that happen, and he killed her. That was enough to make me cringe — and, I admit, want to cry a little. But then we realized her son saw the whole thing from the doorway. TRAGIC!
It reminded me a little bit of season 2′s “Heart,” where Sam has to shoot the werewolf he developed feelings for. Deep down I know Dean didn’t want to do it, but he’s so focused on the bad things in life right now, he only sees her as a killer on the loose and not a person/mother. I guess he has a point, but it was still sad to see him take that leap. Sam may be the one with the broken psyche, but Dean’s the one with the broken spirit. One is certainly not worse than the other, but right now, it’s Dean’s ailment that’s worrying me — especially after this episode.
So, readers, did Dean go too far? Should he have killed Amy? I ask because I honestly don’t have an answer.
[Preview spoilers:] Next week’s episode deals with guilt, so I’m hoping we see him show some remorse for this. That will make me feel a little better. He was so cold to Amy’s son, I need to see that he feels bad for doing it. If he’s not, then I’m really worried.
Other thoughts: Did you catch the My Bloody Valentine 3-D reference? (There was a commercial for it playing while Dean was watching TV.) How many times is Sam going to get smacked in the head next week? We should start a betting pool. Did you love that Dean is “Lars Ulrich” in Sam’s phone? How creepy was Amy’s son’s threat to Dean? And what did you think of Ackles’ second go as a director?
This was a heavy episode, but here are some of the lighter moments. (QUOTABLES!)
“Suicidio.” — Dean, watching novellas
“Before you bail again, Girl, Interrupted over there. Any thoughts?” — Dean to Bobby
Dean: Where’s the pie?
Sam: I got cake. Close enough, right?
[Dean's face: Hell no]
“I know good when I see it.” — young Sam. (Yes, this isn’t technically a funny line, but I laughed because my viewing buddy and I agreed that it was a really good pick-up line. Little Sam’s got game!)
“New rule — you steal my baby, you get punched.” — Dean
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I do think Dean had to kill her. He’s been through too much to not see it would be a mistake if he didn’t. He has not followed his instinct in the past and it comes back to bite him. The kicker is, he told Sam he wouldn’t. That will come back to bite him.
This season is great and I can’t wait to see what’s next!
I agree Sherry. It would have been out of character if he didn’t kill her. It was sad that he lied to his brother but Sam did leave him alone, with a broken leg, in a cabin with no means of transportation. It’s hard to feel sorry for Sam but lying to him isn’t gong to fix things. I like how the writers are finding ways to keep things interesting.
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I agree. I don’t think either brother was really wrong in this case. Sam liked the girl, so he couldn’t kill her. Dean knew that she would kill again and he did what he thought was right. It would’ve made me uncomfortable if he’d also killed the boy, though. Maybe then he would’ve gone too far, but that kid was creepy. He seemed more like a demon than his mother did.
@Kalie- I agree w u… I like how they basically set up a possible future episode that could entail Dean or Sam or hopefully both, having to hunt the son. The son probably ages quickly so in a few weeks, he will be seen as a full grown man in another episode as monster of the week…
I completely agree, she had to die. It’s sad and tragic, but she was killing people and I believe she’d do it again. All that has to happen is her son get sick or she gets sick or some other excuse and she’s back on the hunt. It would have been difficult to kill her, especially after realizing she’d saved Sam’s life, but it had to happen. I’m honestly surprised Sam didn’t kill her, he was willing to stab Cas but not her? Dean and Sam have proven that they are willing to sacrifice others for the greater good – Dean let Sam jump into the pit, Sam – thinking it was for the greater good – beat up his brother and destroyed their relationship to kill Lilith, and Sam stabbed Cas in the back to stop him. How Amy’s situation any different? It’s all about saving the most lives.
I think we’re all forgetting the one hole in Dean’s plot. This girl killed, what, three times in 15 years? That’s bad yes, but Dean has worked with Crowley and Meg who’s killed a lot more, in a lot less of time.
Also by killing the mom, Dean is literally creating a monster out of the kid. How is this kid, who can’t be more than 9, survive without his mom? What’s he going to do? He’s going to give into the monster side of him to survive.
Listen Dean’s my favorite character of the show, but I don’t think he made the right choice here.
You’re forgetting how many people both Dean and Sam have killed to save their family .Both will kill again.. How is that right? And if it is, how is what she did wrong?
Another problem with Dean’s action- the kitsune had been raising and feeding a kid, who no longer has access to food aquired without killing. He’s now going to have to become a murderer to survive, and Dean will have to kill him.
How is that a better choice than Sam’s?
Agreed. I think Dean was in the right.
It reminds me of that whole deal with the vampire Lenore from Season 2. They let her go, but she did end up killing again.
And Amy did say her son got sick because of his current diet, who’s to say he won’t get sick again.
The only reason Lenore went back to killing was because of the “mother of all mothers” was mentally connecting to all her creatures. Lenore didn’t want to do it and begged the brothers to kill her in the basement.
Perhaps she would have continued to feed on cow’s blood? I just hate that Dean killed her… and ont to kill the kid if that was the reasoning.
I agree Sherry… it may not bite him for what he did, but it will if Sam finds out… That will be a major hurt. But then again, throughout the entire show, Dean has never listened to Sam’s intuition has he? All the times he has asked Dean to agree with him or see his side, Dean has just shook his head and said no.
He betrayed the trust of his brother. When you look into the abyss, it looks back at you: Dean is the monster of this story. I hope the kid returns and goes monster on him. He deserves it.
No he doesn’t.
Dean has always been a no nonsense hunter and brother. This kid comes after Dean and he will end up like his mother. Dean Winchester is the star of this show, and he’ll do as he pleases! The Winchesters SAVE PEOPLE, HUNT THINGS…FAMILY BUSINESS!
Not if Sammy intervenes. And what do you think will happen if the kid tells Sam that his brother betrayed him? Do you think that Sam will wonder if he’s next?
That’s your answer? Because he’s the hero we’re suppose to blindly follow him around like a pathetic puppy dog and agree with everything he does? Sam brought about the apocalypse, he killed an innocent nurse, he was a monster for a while, and Dean tortured souls in Hell, who the hell is Dean to decide who gets to live and die? Who is he to kill a mother in front of a child and then make smart-ass comments to that child? It makes him no better than YED, it makes him hypocrite and a monster. So whatever. I’m done.
Yeah, because Sam’s never betrayed his brother and gone behind his back to do something Sam promised Dean he wouldn’t. And Sam’s especially never betrayed his brother specifically because he developed soft and fuzzy feelings for a non-human entity (cough Ruby cough) that Dean wanted to kill but did not do so out of respect for Sam’s wishes. Oh, wait . . . It’s not as cut and dry as Dean is a monster. He is neither right nor wrong in this situation, which is the kind of writing I like. But to slam him for betraying Sam, well, not fair, not considering how many times Sam has betrayed him.
Hey cc yea… Ruby drinking demon blood and using his demonic powers Sam did all behind deans back and lied bout it. Deans just trying to look out for Sam.
Dean did wrong mainly because he’s not in a good frame of mind.
Sam did wrong because he thought he could save the world
Neither brother said “Hey, I’mma go on over here and betray you cause I don’t respect you all that much.”
Stop the Sam hate.
Stop the Dean hate.
They’ve both made mistakes, and never for NO reason. What Dean did he did in a time of confusion and weariness. What Sam did he did because he was told it would help him svae innocent lives.
Neither Winchester has ever done evil for the sake of BEING evil
Remember that.
CC & Clara you are both right… Dean has been a hunter even when Sam couldn’t… Only Souless Sam was a true killer/hunter… Dean has a soul and believes his mission is justified. Which I now see that point.
About Dean in hell and torturing souls in Hell… Well they weren’t there because they were saints right? Dean was only there to save Sam…
Sam only spared her because he’s thinking with what’s in his underpants. It’s just like another round of how dumb he was about Ruby. Ruby promised a whole lot of stuff, too. And she lied, lied, lied.
If she was not a girl but a big ugly guy he had no history with, Sam would’ve ganked him.
Exactly… Hell if Dean didn’t kill her Sam would have probably done something dumb to help her
Uh…Sam only lowered the knife when he saw that poor kid sleeping innocently.
What is it with people hating on these characters and COMPARING their moments of weakness? Jeez.
No he won’t. You’ve forgotten that Sam doesn’t shoot & ask question later. It happens a few time already. You forgotten the rugaru case, The boy in Croaton. Or he stopped Dean from killing Samuel tho he ends up doing the deed himself. He suggested to talk to Loki/Gabriel first even after what the Trickster had done. Even Dean was surprise when Sam killed Jake. So this shows even/especially Dean knows Sam character.
I completely agree! How can Sam ever trust him again? He completely betrayed his trust, disregarded his judgment as a hunter and a man, and then decided he can allow a monster to live [the son] when he makes the determination. MESSED UP ALL AROUND!!! Not to mention, as a mother, I was pissed because Amy was only doing what ANY mother in the same situation would do–and that does not make her a monster.
WOAH!! I am a mother, and like Amy I’m a single mother in a difficult situation, and as much as I love my son, and believe me I love him more than anyone else in this world, I would never go sacrifice other people to save him. I don’t believe he’d ever want me too. I understand and sympathize with her situation, I really do, but she wasn’t thinking like a mother she was thinking like a monster. If Dean, who is like a father to Sam, can let Sam jump into hell, then Amy as a human should not have killed those people.
The whole series is based on killing human-killing monsters. It seems dumb to complain about it now.
Also if her next victim was Sam, would you be cool with it, saying she needs his brains, it’s not her fault. I don’t think so.
Maybe as a mother she would do anything to save her son,but if that implies killing people should we as a society just allow it and let her go with it?No because those people who she’s killed were also mothers,fathers,sons…and she would be punished for it even as a human in real life.As a serial killer,at least with a life in prison,which may even be worse than the death penalty.And since she ain’t human,but a monster..the whole point that runs throughout this show from it’s beginning is she had to die,no matter how tragic it was.Sam couldn’t do it and understandably so.Dean on the other hand had to..and that just adds to tragedy of his own state of mind at the moment.
I think when you share the same diet as Dr.Hannibal Lecter ,ya that makes you a monster. Listen the way I see it the show wants to go season 1,2 ,Sam always falls for monsters so he let her go.And Dean is going back to saving people hunting things you know the family business so he had to kill her.I think Dean is going to be a hardcore hunter in season 7 .
@Melody – You wouldn’t kill someone to save your son’s life? Wow. I’m thrilled I’m not your child.
Personally, I’d kill anyone to save my child. Anyone. A mother does what she has to do. Period. End of story. Otherwise, you are no kind of parent. If your child was absolutely going to die without (for some odd reason) you having to take someone else’s life, and you LET your child die?
Nah, I don’t buy it. A real mother would kill her own parents to save her child.
@EV : You have a point. And I’m envisioning the final episode of the series like this:
Amy’s son standing over Dean’s dead body: That was for my mother, you son of a bitch.
It all comes full circle. I don’t particularly think Dean was WRONG in killing Amy, but he should have also killed the boy, if he really thought he was justified in killing the mother. I think where he really screwed up was in lying to Sam. He’s worked hard and Sam’s worked hard to regain their trust in each other, and he just should have been upfront and said, “Nope, sorry bro, she’s gotta be taken out.” Instead, he pretended he trusted Sam (and did you see the look of hope on Sam’s face?), and then betrayed him.
After all the lies, that’s the last thing he should have done.
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You would really want your child to live with that? How would you feel if someone went out and murdered others in your name? Yes, I’m a mother who loves her son dearly, but we are talking about taking another persons life. It would be one thing if it was someone threatening my son, but I can’t imagine ever going out to murder some random person for any reason. And is that the kind of world I would want me son to live in – one where we justify homicide like that? I’m a woman of faith who believes in the goodness of people and the Grace of God. I trust Him with my son here on earth and beyond. Amy tried to assuage her guilt by going after scummy people, but was she right? Is it okay because they were drug dealers or the like? Should every parent who has a child who needs a liver transplant or a heart transplant just go out and kill someone to get the needed organs? Is that what you would really do? Is that what you should really do? If it’s right, then we should set up blood, tissue and organ banks at all the prisons in the world. Think of the number of lives we would save. Then again, at what cost? I understand what Amy did, I’m just saying she was wrong and Dean was justified in his actions.
So, if your kid needed an organ transplant or s/he was going to die, you would just go kill someone who was a match? Seriously? This kind of situation happens every day and you don’t see killing sprees by parents of dying children.
I hope the kid comes after Dean too. But I hope Dean learns what he did was wrong and evolves. This black and white thinking is ruining him.
This is what Dean has always done… The right thing. He knows that Sam is weak in the human side of things. I hate to say it but Dean cleans up Sam’s mess.
Im sorry I agree with you alittle on this point because come on,megs killed millions and dean let her live,and as has been said the crowley thing,but lying to his brother was a big mistake here I hope at least that sam kicks his ass!
Just an observation: the young Amy did not look at all like the older Amy, she was actually prettier. The young Amy seemed older and taller than the young Sam.
Isn’t this the second time that Sam has taken out bullies? I think there was a High School episode where, as a youngster, he protected someone being beaten up on.
yep. after school special in season 4. the bullied kids ghost was infecting people and going after bullies. dean coached gym and wore tight little shorts and played dodge ball. good episode. felt so sorry for the kid/ghost
I’m still conflicted on Dean killing her and I agree that it will come back to bite him. The convenience store clerk is also wearing a t-shirt that references “Batman: Under the Red Hood” the animated movie that Jensen stars in.
And don’t forget that the pituitary-eating mum was called Amy Pond, the name of the latest Doctor Who companion…
Thank goodness someone else caught that reference! Surprised the recapped didn’t reference Doctor Who OR Firefly in regards to “Amy Pond”…
Yep. Fake name in the same vein as the brothers. Jewel Stait was also in the last couple seasons of Stargate Atlantis in addition to her excellent work on Firefly.
I have noticed that a lot of episodes make reference to Sam’s height. That seems to be a theme. Even Amy mentioned it. How tall is Sam?
Jared is 6’4″ and Jensen is 6’1″
So, now I know why Sam has been referred to as Sasquatch. 6’1″ is not a shrimp and Jensen is only three inches shorter than Jared but why does it often look like Jared could carry him under his arm?
Because Jared is a big beefcake with tree-trunk legs and Jensen is a delicate flower with a mouth like a renaissance cherub?
Oh, topazbean–you made my day!
Jared’s actually 6’5″, Jensen is 6′ even.
Sorry obi…but Becky is right. Jared is 6’4″ and Jensen is 6’1″. They’ve both talked about their height in the past. Jensen likes to say that people think he’s a lot shorter than he really is…
@topazbean Genius right there. Spot on
@topazbean You’re so right on!!! Love it!
Sorry, Ruth, but Jared Padalecki is 6’5″. Jensen Ackles is only 6’1″ in those 1″ boots.
Sorry. Check the web and other interviews. Jensen’s 6’1″ and Jared is 6’4″. IMDB is a good one for that information. They even comment on the discrepancy.
This episode…there wasn’t a character who’s actions weren’t clearly in the grey area. It wasn’t very nice of Sam to run off on his brother, but in retrospect it was understandable. Amy was killing people, but it was to save her child. Dean killed a monster, but he out and out lied to his brother. And he probably created a much bigger monster in that kid.
What has me heartbroken is the way the writers were seeming to draw parralels within Dean’s mind between Sam and Amy. He used similar wording when talking about them.
So, do you think it is possible that Dean will come to believe that he has to put his brother –who admits to being a freak like Amy– down?
Dean doesn’t kill freaks, he kills monsters who kill people. Sam, at least the non-soulless variety, doesn’t kill people. The possibility has been there for a while though as their father told Dean that if he couldn’t save him, he would have to kill him.
Nah, they’ve been down that road before. This season isn’t going to be about there being another rift between the brothers. It seems to be more about them finding a way to look after each other again.
Yes, the kid promised that the only person he would kill would be Dean. I have no problem with his attitude: Dean killed his mother.
Of course the kid will want to kill Dean, and can’t be blamed for it. Dean in essence just became that kid’s version of “Yellow-Eyes” — he’ll spend his life preparing for the chance to avenge his mother, just as Dean did. And I think Dean is aware of that.
Oh yes, Dean is aware. If the show goes on long enough, it could interesting. Dean doesn’t fault him the desire to kill him, none of us could, but she needed to die.
He’s a future Inigo Montoya.
How do you realistically think that kid is going to survive without killing people? I give him two days. I’d be ok if Dean went after him and put him down.
Reminded me of the little girl in Kill Bill v.1, the daughter of Vivica A Fox’s character
Yes–I agree. Leaving a motherless young monster in the world was absolutely a MUCH MORE stupid choice than letting his mother live. I just can not even begin to understand Dean’s reasoning about killing Amy if he wasn’t going to kill the son, much less wrap my mind around the enormous betrayal of his brother. WTF?
Dean ask the boy if he got someone he could go to & he says yes, so it means the boy would not be alone. The thing how would he survive now? Doesn’t he needs to eat brains too.
This is, by far, the BEST show on TV this season! Dean needed to do what he had to do but I was surprised he didn’t do something to Amy’s son as well. That shows Dean still has compassion even though his hope is almost gone. What a cliff-hanger to keep this show going! It’s a FANTASTIC show with an INCREDIBLE cast! Jensen did a GREAT job directing too!
Some fans claims it’s okay for Dean to lie to Sam because Sam lied to him so much. But where is that supposed to end if they should just keep lying? Come on. That’s a ridiculus excuse.
Regarding killing the girl, I can see why he did it, but it was cold of him. He knew it was someone Sam cared for and he even didn’t seem bothered about the kid seeing it all. And for a supposedly smart guy, Dean leaving the kid alive is even more stupid. He’s such an idiot sometimes.
Karma is a B****. What goes around, comes around. An eye for an eye. No matter where you go, there you are. Dean betrayed his brother, killed a defenseless being, had no problem with the kid being present. I don’t want Dean to die, obviously, but he should pay in some way.
Dean very clearly did not intend for the kid to see anything, and you can see the flicker of regret that the kid did cross his face before he puts “game face” back on. As for whether he’ll pay for it, well, have you seen the show?? Of course he’ll pay. Probably next week, judging from the previews.
So the wraith that was about to suck out Sam’s brain was just trying to survive and it would be wrong of Dean to kill her. Oh, I see.
Defenseless being? better check with her victims before you say that –the three we know about and the likely ones we dont. She appeared to have monster/demon levels of strength, speed and agility when she b$tchslapped Sam into unconsciousness.
Dean wasn’t being cold-blooded or callus. I don’t think he necessarily wanted to kill Amy, but she killed 3 people. Yeah, she said it was only to save her kid. Yeah she said she wouldn’t do it anymore. But what about the next time the kid gets sick? Do those people have to die too because we all felt sorry for the monster. I admit, Amy was a very sympathetic monster. But at the end of the day, she was still a monster. Dean has ignored his instincts in the past and it’s always come back to bite him, so I don’t think he’ll be ignoring his instincts anymore. Furthermore, I don’t think Dean lied to Sam. In the motel room, Dean pretty much told Sam exactly what he had to do and why. Sam just wouldn’t receive it. So, Dean let it drop and went and did what he had to do. I don’t think he intended for the kid to see anything, and I think he feels bad that the kid did see it. Dean didn’t kill the kid b/c (1) the kid hadn’t killed anyone and (2) Dean doesn’t go around killing kids if he can help it. But as far as Amy is concerned, Dean did what Dean does: he killed a monster.
I just don’t think that people would be going “OH, poor monster” if it was Sam’s brain that she had gone after. Or if Ben was sick and Dean was told to cook Sam’s brain as a healing tonic. Heh, if the victim was Sam, the perpetrator would be called EVOL!
No, it was not right for Dean to lie to Sam. Lying to each other has been what has bitten them in the ass in the past. I understand why he did it, but I don’t agree that he should have.
The convenience store clerk was also wearing a “Batman: Under the Red Hood” t-shirt. Jensen voiced Jason Todd/Red Hood in the animated straight-to-dvd movie.
The voice on the tv when Sam left the cabin was advertising the movie “My Bloodiest Valentine in 3D” (slight change in the actual title) which Jensen Ackles starred in. Just saw that last week and it was much better than I expected for a slasher movie.
Dean had to kill her. Sam let Jake live and then look what happened so I don’t think it was so bad for Dean to do what he did. I do think he was rather cold about it and that is the worrying matter.
I think Dean is merely doing his job as a hunter. At this point, gray areas do not exist. Him being cold kinda good, he went through a lot and he’s facing a brother with hallucination, there’s no more room for error in his life.
it was a near perfect ripoff of Kill Bill – and that is not a complaint – so i get the motivation to tell the kid he will get his own revenge some day
I agree with you. I think Dean has seen the consequences of all the gray areas they deal with. He’ll deal with things the best way he knows how which is reverting to basics for him good vs evil
There was another reference to jensen’s other work besides My Bloody Valentine. When he stopped at the one store asking the guy behind the counter if he had seen Sam, the guy was wearing a “Batman; Under The Red Hood” shirt. Ackles did voicework as a main character in that full length animated movie.
It didn’t really surprise me that he killed Amy. I’m more surprised ’cause he let the kid live. And if Sam didn’t know Amy, he would’ve killed her too, so… A monster is a monster, no matter what she promised.
No one has mentioned Jewel Staite playing the adult Amy. She was fantastic! Wish we could have seen more of her on the show.
I was waiting for her to say “He**, I want to live!” (as much of the quote from Firefly that I remember).
Yes! Love Jewel Staite! She did a great job.
I don’t think the show would allow the actual killing of a child (perhaps, off-screen, though).
Well if Dean killed Amy then he should kill Sam , who too is a FREAK with demon blood. Actually Sam would be a perfect fit on the Xmen first class movie…a half human / half demon with his own powers , then Dean by the Xmen would be seen as the outsider the enemy. John was right…Dean should have killed Sam years ago. Sam would have ended up in heaven or purgatory , I guess…but at least he’d avoid Dean’s constant hitting abuse in the face and head. Sam should maybe follow Lucifer’s advice and put a bullet in his head and then he’ll have peace of mind.
Aren’t you lovely.
OMG! Don’t even say that about the bullet! I almost cried when Lucifer said that! Sammy is beautiful and sweet! I know he has issues but he is trying to deal with them as best he can. I choose to love him unconditionally! Don’t we all have issues that we try to deal with! We could all be so lucky as to have a brother like Dean who loves us more than anything! I know Dean is not perfect. I wish he did’t lie to Sam but he did what he felt is right. I love both brothers! They are both the heroes in my eyes!
I understand why Dean thought he had to kill her. She can’t go around killing people….but i just think in this instance he was wrong. It really bothered me that he lied to Sam. I was a bit shocked by this ending…..but when they pulled into the motel I knew something was up. I thought either Dean was going to do something stupid or they were going to run into the Leviathan’s.
I had to change the channel for the last part with the store clerk. I guess I’m going soft but I didn’t want to see that.
Then why hunt monsters at all?
She EATS PEOPLE. There’s something wrong with demanding people look the other way when she kills people. It’s only her word that she kills “bad people” and also it’s not like even humans have the right to just go around killing “bad people.”
Sam killed the rugaru for killing the hunter about to kill his wife, and Madison. I didn’t rake him over the coals for killing them and I find it hypocritical of the show to bemoan how inhuman Dean is to kill monsters.
Exactly, I was thinking of the other “sympathetic” monsters that have been killed in the past and I don’t remember anyone getting riled up about it…the rugaru, Madison, even the shapeshifter in Monster Movie were all victims as well as monsters but they still had to be dealt with. Why is it so different with Amy? Since when did a show about hunters killing monsters become so shocking for the audience when the hunter killed the monster?
It became so unacceptable (not to me personally) when Show bent over backwards to make the two Amy characters sympathetic and to make Dean’s character equivocal just to spark the sort of controversey we have on the boards now. I mean really: pretty little blond girl, pretty blond single mom played by actress known to genre followers for a host of sympathetic character portrayals; the return of adorable adolescent Sam; Sam’s awkward first kiss; putative monster kills own Mother to save adolescent Sam: naming the character after another sympathetic character known to genre followers; giving the character the monster out (mortician quietly taking only what we need); the compelling motive for falling off the wagon (dying kid). and contrast Dean lying to poor Sam; ignoring and disrespecting Sam’s judgement on the kill decision; cold-blooded killing in front of a child; orphaning a child, etc., etc. They tried to tug at every heartstring available but they didn’t get mine–I blanche at such attempts at heavy-handed manipulation.
I on the otherhand have lots of questions. How can we be confident that the kitsune hasnt been killing for the last thirteen or so years? How did she feed after adolescent Sam let her go? How did she feed before she became a mortician and started desecrating and feeding on corpses? Did she really kill her mom just to save Sam–there were plenty of indicators she hated her mother and her life–so her motivation or killing her might not have been that clear. I fully concede she liked Sam, after all as Dean once said “Sam’s got a thing for the bad girls” and the bad girls seem to have a thing for him (that’s just his fate I guess). As to her justification for her fall off the wagon, if my kid needed a heart transplant I clearly would not be justifed in cutting ahead on the tranplant list to get your heart ,much less cutting your still beating heart out of your chest to save him. I would be in prison or on death row if I did that, and I should be. In fact, in accordance with our system of law and ethics, it wouldn’t matter if the son was an innocent child and the “donor” was a jerk, an ass, a rapist, a child molester or a serial killer on death row. In fact, if the innocent child could be saved by a mere non;lethal transfusion of the “donor’s ” blood there would still be no legal/ethical justification to compel such a donation. Also how confident can we ever be that she would not return to killing? How is she going to feed herself now that she is on the run? What if the son gets sick again? What is the son becomes dead brain intolerant?
Sorry, Sandra, but, Amy was not a “person.” She was a monster who has killed people. Just because she says she did it for her son does not make it okay. If a mother killed someone because her son needed a transplant, that’s still murder. Dean did the only thing, it was difficult, but he was right.
She was killing criminals not innocent people. Amy was was harmless like the vampire girl from season 2 they let go. Dean was an ass not people wern’t blinded by how “hot” he is. they would see this
Not a single one of those “criminals” she killed did anything they would get the death penaly for in a court of law. They may have been “bad” people, but that doesn’t make her right for killing them. It’s an ambiguous situation, and howling that Dean is an ass OR that Dean is right – either way, it’s missing the entire point, and therefore missing out on the subtleties of what looks like it’s going to be a very compelling and interesting story.
And oh, yeah, what happened to that vampire girl they let go?? That’s right, she had started feeding again.
They let Lenore go in S2 b/c she actually wasn’t killing anyone. She was drinking calf blood not human blood. That comparison doesn’t fit in this instance because Amy was killing people. And so what if the people she killed were unsavory people. They were still people.
Amy was NOT harmless, she killed people. period. Nothing excuses her actions.
What if the people Amy killed were doing what they were doing for their kids? What if the drug dealer was selling drugs because they needed the money to feed their son? If Amy gets a pass for killing these people because she was supposedly doing it for her son, then these people should get a pass. In which case, Amy shouldn’t have killed them.
I’m amazed so many people see this as an easy issue to discuss. I see “Dean is a monster for doing that” and “Dean is a hunter and that woman was a monster” here and really I think it’s somewhat disturbing.
A lot of comparisons being made don’t make sense, but I’m going to put one out there that people seem to forget to mention. How many innocent people have Dean and Sam killed? Every time they “gank” a demon, the person inside that body dies. In season four, they made decisions to try and save a town instead of protecting a seal and all that did was create more death. A lot of good intentions have gone and created worse problems in the show and it really proves how much of the show deals with shades of grey. Dean and Sam aren’t necessarily bad people. I’m not saying they are, but they certainly haven’t learned much over the years. They hypocritically go running to a demon (Crowley) after spending the last part of season six punishing Castiel for doing the same. They lie to each other when TIME AND TIME AGAIN it hasn’t worked out for them. Not once have any of their lies ever worked in their favor for the past seven years and somehow this hasn’t dawned on them yet?
Maybe Dean went too far. Personally, I think he did. Sure, Amy wasn’t human, but that doesn’t make her better or worse than the humans on the show. Humans on the show have caused just as much death.
And really, when will a female character survive for any length of time on this show? I mean I wasn’t expecting Amy to live longer than one episode, but there’s something really disturbing about the representation of motherhood, female sexuality, etc. on the show and maybe that should be talked about a bit more in regards to this episode. There were two offhanded remarks/scenes dealing with sexual harassment in this episode. TWO. Was that necessary? Probably not. Maybe the issue shouldn’t be whether Dean went too far. Maybe questions about whether the writing has gotten stale (and believe me, I love the show). How many more seasons can we take of the boys lying to each other? How many more seasons can we deal with the same mold: Sam has a problem. Dean is worrying. All their friends die.
They need to shake things up.
I absolutely agree with you. I was shocked, but not surprised by Dean’s actions. I wish I had seen a little bit of uncertainty from him before he killed her. I think Dean’s actions are an outward symptom of his inward struggles. I hope that these struggles are dealt with this season in a thoughtful and interesting way.
Also – totally agree about the female characters on this show!!! I keep hoping that at some point one of the boys will find a woman who can keep pace with their actions and wit without being portrayed as a b**ch. I think adding a strong female character would be a great addition to the show and shake things up as you stated.
“”How many more seasons can we deal with the same mold: Sam has a problem. Dean is worrying. All their friends die”"
Heh, I love this because it’s so true, and sadly it’s yet another season of something wrong with Sam, everyone is after Sam because he’s so special, and Dean worries. I think Gamble doesn’t have a clue on what to do with an iconic character like Dean, she is allowing her favoritism for Sam to show over and over in the episodes, and she can’t seem to understand character growth, or even knows how to advance a show forward. So instead, we get episodes like this, which is a combination of Heart, Afternoon School Special and bad fanfiction all combined to make another redundant mess.
Was Dean right in killing Amy? Absolutely. If she had been a homely male or a homely female with not nearly the charisma as Jewel Stait, would anyone really have cared? That’s my question.