Week 11 of EW’s 2011 Summer Movie Body Count continues with 
Gringrotts: Though the dragon blew fire multiple times, the only goblin we know its flames engulfed was poor, formerly Imperiused Bogrod. I counted at least three Gringrott workers falling to their deaths when the dragon destroyed the track their cart was riding on. Maybe they were the lucky ones: Judging by the roughly 20 bodies of guards and goblins, including Griphook, shown slain in Voldemort’s rage or lying on the ground after he arrived to verify that Helga Hufflepuff’s Cup horcrux had been stolen from Bellatrix’s vault, he hadn’t been in a merciful mood.
The Great Hall: Tricky. Those who remember the book know that in it, unlike the movie, Snape never holds the student assembly in the Great Hall, where Harry Potter reveals himself and Professor McGonagall steps out to defend him against the headmaster and his disciplinarians, the Carrows. Did McGonagall kill the Carrows in the film? Since we don’t hear her give instructions to take their bodies to the dungeons with the Slytherins — who, in the book, were given the kinder option of using the tunnel to Hogsmeade — I think movie McGonagall is more of a badass than book McGonagall. Still, since she wasn’t using the Killing Curse, I guess we have to say no? In the book, Luna stuns Alecto in the Ravenclaw common room and Harry reveals himself from underneath his invisibility cloak to use a Crucio (torture) curse on Amycus after Amycus spits in McGonagall’s face. McGonagall uses Imperio on Amycus to get him to give her their wands, then she ropes them together (and ultimately puts a silver net around them and hangs them from the ceiling). McGonagall ends up throwing a lasso of fire at Snape, then daggers. She, Flitwick, and Sprout duel with Snape until he flees.
The bridge: An invisible shield that zap you luck a bug? Awesome! Three Snatchers slammed into it before the army of others led by Scabior slowed up. The issue here is whether the Snatchers who were on the bridge when it blew were smart enough to use the Cushioning Charm Hermione had in Gringotts. Harry seemed impressed by that, so let’s give Hermione some credit and say, the, what, 100 Snatchers on the bridge at the time chasing Neville (including Scabior) fell to their death. I’ll miss you, Scabior. You were kind of hot. (Since we don’t see the Snatchers again, and their number was surprisingly large, I think 100 is a reasonable death toll. Did the surviving Snatchers not rejoin the fight? Maybe they bolted, as tons of Voldemort’s Death Eaters must have before the end of the battle.)
Room of Hidden Things: Now this was an unfortunate turn of events for Goyle. It should have been Draco’s buddy Crabbe (Jamie Waylett) who died in the Fiendfyre, per the book, but since Waylett confessed to growing pot in 2009 and didn’t return for the film, Goyle (Josh Herdman) had to be the one to succumb to the flames because it would have meant next to nothing if the random Slytherin Draco had grabbed along with Goyle bit it. Wah waaaah, Goyle. You still sucked.
Death Eater with bad timing: Safe bet: Don’t speak to Voldemort. Ever. Avada Kedavra!
Lavender Brown: With werewolf Fenrir Greyback gnawing on her neck before Hermione cast a spell to get him off of her, I’m going to say Lavender didn’t make it and was the girl Trelawney pronounced dead in the Great Hall. (Hermione didn’t use the Killing Curse on him in the book, and we didn’t technically see him die onscreen, so unfortunately, we can’t add him to the body count.)
Fred: In the book, he’s killed when a side of the castle is blown and Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Percy (where was he in the movie?) are with him when it happens. In the movie, Ron, Harry, and Hermione don’t find out about his death until they see his body in the Great Hall.
Lupin and Tonks: In the film, we see them reaching for each other’s hands as the invisible shield comes tumbling down but not quite touching. Their bodies are shown the same way in the Great Hall. In that situation, it really is the thought that counts. We also see three stretchers being carried in the Great Hall before Harry goes to the Pensieve.
Snape: Instead of in the Shrieking Shack as in the book, Snape dies in the Boathouse in the film. Voldemort believes the Elder Wand won’t fully work for him until Snape is dead, since Snape is the one who killed its last owner, Dumbledore. (Of course, Voldemort doesn’t know that it’s Draco who disarmed Dumbledore that night, so the wand’s allegiance was to Draco even though Draco didn’t possess it. That is, until Harry took Draco’s wand.) Voldemort slashed Snape’s neck and let Nagini do the rest as Harry, Hermione, and Ron saw Snape’s silhouette being bitten multiple times. I liked what screenwriter Steve Kloves did here: He didn’t have the silvery-blue coming out of Snape’s eyes, mouth, and ears as in the book. It was just Snape’s eyes, so it was — or at least looked like — a memory-filled tear that Harry was able to capture and take to the Pensieve. He also gave Snape the line, “Look at me… You have your mother’s eyes.”
Note: We’re not going to count Lily and James.
Horcrux in Harry: How is that for a compromise? While some would argue that Harry technically died in the Forbidden Forest, J.K. Rowling isn’t one of them. In the FAQ on her website, she writes, “When Voldemort attacks Harry, they both fall temporarily unconscious, and both their souls — Harry’s undamaged and healthy, Voldemort’s stunted and maimed — appear in the limbo where Harry meets Dumbledore.” She goes on to explain, “Voldemort is also using the Elder Wand — the wand that is really Harry’s. It does not work properly against its true owner; no curse Voldemort casts on Harry functions properly; neither the Cruciatus curse nor the Killing Curse. The Avada Kedavra curse, however, is so powerful that it does hurt Harry, and also succeeds in killing the part of him that is not truly him, in other words, the fragment of Voldemort’s own soul still clinging to his. The curse also disables Harry severely enough that he could have succumbed to death if he had chosen that path (again, Dumbledore says he has a choice whether or not to wake up). But Harry does decide to struggle back to consciousness, capitalises on Lily’s ‘escape route’, and pulls himself back to the realm of the living.” So while Harry was prepared to die and thought that’s what he was doing, he didn’t. The part of Voldemort’s soul that lived in Harry and turned him into the Horcrux Voldemort never intended to make, did. In cleaner-than-King’s Cross limbo, that was the bloody baby-sized creature Dumbledore said they could do nothing for now.
Giant: Voldemort moves one dead troll out-of-the-way on the bridge as he and his Death Eaters march with Harry’s body.
Battle resumes: I counted seven bodies on the ground as Harry and Voldemort began their battle, then four bodies on the staircase when Hermione faces Nagini, and at least three people succumbing to the Killing Curse behind Neville as he came to.
Bellatrix: “Not my daughter, you bitch!” That Molly Weasley line got a big laugh in all three showings I saw over the weekend. When Bellatrix turns her wand on Ginny, Mrs. Weasley steps in, does battle, and wins. Bellatrix goes boom! (There was applause in one of my showings.) It’s a little different from the book — we don’t get to see Voldemort’s reaction in the movie, and Harry, who everyone already knows is alive in the film, doesn’t cast a Shield Charm to save Molly from Voldemort’s wand and reveal himself then.
Nagini: I’m going to count Nagini because she had a piece of Voldemort’s soul in her, and because I hate that snake, which, in the movie, Neville beheads with the sword of Gryffindor as it’s about to attack Ron and Hermione. (Filmmakers needed an excuse for Neville to go after it, unless Harry had that talk with Neville about Nagini that’s in the book offscreen.)
Voldemort: In the book, Harry talks a lot so Voldemort (and the crowd surrounding them) understands why the Elder Wand fails him and jumps to Harry. Killed by the rebounding Killing Curse, Voldemort’s body is taken into the castle and placed in a chamber off the Great Hall away from the bodies of those who fought against him. In the movie, Voldemort and Harry are alone — save about 15 dead bodies lying on the ground during their last stand. Voldemort dies and his body disintegrates into tiny pieces that drift into the air and, if you’re watching in 3-D, off the screen toward you. For me, this, along with Harry breaking the Elder Wand instead of promising to return it to Dumbeldore’s grave, puts a definitive end to the tale. You won’t see Harry Potter and the Unauthorized Resurrection of Voldemort.
All together, that’s a very loose estimate of 168 dead. In the book, J.K. Rowling describes how Voldemort’s body was kept separate from the bodies of “Fred, Tonks, Lupin, Colin Creevey [did anyone notice him in the movie?], and fifty others who had died fighting him.” I didn’t catch her estimating the casualties on the other side. What do you think: Did more die offscreen, or did most of Voldemort’s followers abandon him like some of his most loyal Death Eaters did once Harry Potter survived the Killing Curse a second time?
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The best death scene of the summer so far is Snape’s.
Agreed.
Death Eater that Voldy kill is Pius Thickness, who was minister of magic at the time.
Random Slitherin wasn’t random. It was Blaise Zabini, seen in the beginning train sequence of HBP and again at Slughorn’s first party.
totally off subject, but can’t EW do anything about these annoying spammers??!! HONESTLY!
Also, I don’t think McGonagal defeated the Carrow’s. If you look closely you see Snape flick his wands backwards just before they go down. I think Snape took them out. He wasn’t really trying very hard to defeat McGonagal.
for not really showing it, it was so violent! and well done. i agree.
I agree. I flinch every time I see the movie.
It’s really terrifying and technically you don’t even see it happen. It’s just the sound of it.
It was much improved over the kind of lame scene in the book. My midnight audience flinched at how violent and gruesome it was. Great way to show a violent death scene without showing much at all.
I can’t really say that scene to me was that great… maybe because it was so damn dark it just sounded like somebody throwing a ball against a wall. I guess my expectation was higher but I forgot it was for kids to, which is why they removed the scene with Voldemort putting the sorting hat on Neville’s head and setting it ablaze.
No kidding. I’m glad I know to look away when I see the movie again tomorrow.
I like the scene in the book. It’s somewhat ironic considering Snape almost died there in his 3rd year at Hogwarts.
But I understand why they changed it in the film.
Colin Creevy (or, Colin Creepy) was the body that Fenrir/werewolf was gnawing before his death.
No, they showed Fenrir gnawing at Lavender Brown not Colin Creevy. Also the girl covered in the sheet by Trelawny, was that perhaps one of the Patil twins? One of the girls was sitting next to her, and the other was not, so I am just guessing…
Also, I loved the scene were Neville killed Nagini. But I am not gonna lie, the death of Sebastian Shaw by Erik Lensherr’s coin was awesome. It was even more compelling considering that Charles Xavier had to hold Shaw still for Erik to succeed, which means that Charles experienced his pain. Ouch!
I think the girl covered in the sheet was Lavender. I don’t know if they showed the other twin in this movie.
I thought the werewolf had Colin Creevy as well – not Lavendar.
well TC, you and Meg are both wrong. That is, unless Colin Creevy grew his hair out long and curly and started wearing headbands.
I think both patil girls are assumed to have survived because they are not on the list of dead at the battle of hogwarts. when i read the books i was so upset with the death of lavender in the movies just bc i didn’t want anyone in harry’s yr to die for sentimental reasons. but JK rowling herself says that Lavender did in fact survive the fight and only got a few scars on her face. so at least book lavender lives
It was probably Lavender, and it makes sense that one of the Patil twins was next to her, since in the book Lavender and the twin who’s in Gryffindor are best friends. Though it’s frustrating they killed Lavender in the movie when Rowling specifically said she survives and does not become a werewolf.
It was definitely Lavender Brown that was chomped on by Fenrick. Not sure if she died since in the book she didn’t but rather was just bitten to suffer the fate of being a werewolf. Also, Percy was briefly shown standing with the other Weasley’s in the RoR.
Well maybe she wasn’t realy dead. How does a body react to being bitten by a werewolf? Is it akin to being bitten by a vampire and can appear dead only to rise later on…maybe that’s one explanation.
I didn’t catch Percy till the second time I watched. He was standing with the crowd when Neville spoke his piece outside the castle as well.
Percy’s also there when the order first comes into the great hall behind Harry to confront Snape.
They showed Lavender’s dead face right after Hermione curses Greyback. It was her.
Plus, Greyback attacks her in the book too.
I’m still on the “it was Colin” side, but for those whosa y he wasn’t in the movie, wasn’t it him that Neville talks to when he first returns to the Romm of Requirement with Harryand the others?
No that was Nigel; basically the same character as Colin Creevy but ginger. Mayber they couldn’t get the actor back. Also did Hermione really shoot a killing curse? I don’t think she would have done (it’s not in her nature). I thought it was a stunning curse.
I’m with @jodipo, you can clearly see Lavender’s head (with the white headband on from the previous shot of her) in the background when they show the close-up on Fenrir.
Nigel might have been there (it’s hard to tell as if it is him he’s much taller and his hair is curly now) in the ROR talking to the Order over the radio but I personally did not see him dead during the battle (if he died elsewhere please identify, but he was NOT killed by Fenrir).
Colin is not there at all, and hasn’t been in the franchise since the 2nd film.
Small correction to the above–I believe Rookwood(?) killed Fred in the book, right? If included, that would have been a tearjerker.
no it was a wall exploding, Percy just goes after Rockwood because he is the closest deatheater to fight!
To correct part of the article, the big creatures, one whom Voldemort pushes off the bridge, are giants! In the book, they were giants, and even in the movie they looked like giants than trolls.
Definitely giants. That was the whole point of Hagrid’s story in OOTP.
I think the random Syltherin that was along with Draco and Goyle in the Room of Requirement was Blaise Zabini
Yep, it’s Blaise. He’s also in the Slug Club in HBP.
Yep; it was in the credits.
The amazing part is NO ONE ACTUALLY DIED IN ANY MOVIE THIS SUMMER, except in this stupid poll!
Oh my god, movies aren’t real? Books too??? Thank you so much, we were all so confused! Does this mean that Hogwarts doesn’t exist in real life????????
What? You mean these aren’t actual documentaries!?! What has this world come to when TV/books/internet isn’t REAL?
ZING!!
LMAO!!!
Just because it’s happening in my head doesn’t mean it’s not real. Ask Albus.
you actually see Percy when Hagrid carries Harry back to the castle at the end… he’s standing with George behind Arthur, Ginny, Molly, etc… he’s a bit fuller in the face but it’s him!
I was crying when they killed Snape he didn’t deserve to die like that. Voldy should have at least had the decency of using the killing cure easy and fast.
I also liked the Molly and Belletrix show down. Don’t think I have ever seen her smile and smurk at the same time, well done!
Ah but then we would not have had the chance to see his redemption since if he was dead, Harry would not have gotten his tears. It was worth a few minutes of pain for that.
He couldn’t use the killing curse because he was still afraid to use the elder wand against snape, because he believed the wand held allegiance to snape at the time.
Harry’s wand died in the film. He didn’t repair it with the elder wand like he did in the book. Too bad for movie prop replica stores.
I really think that the last Harry Potter was amazing, but would have had more emotional impact if they had shown Fred’s death scene. He earned it and was a big and well-loved character. If they had spent a couple more minutes on the deaths, it would have moved from amazing to phenomenal. I don’t think anyone would have minded sitting there a couple more minutes at this movie.
I agree, Sarah. I would have liked them to show more of the deaths, especially Fred’s.
I agree, his death in the book is so moving. I think he laughed or something and then BAM. DEAD.
I love the Malfoys. Period.
While I agree, I was relieved not to have to relive that experience. That whole scene killed me when I read it. I loved Fred so much, I cried for like 20 minutes when I read that part. I am aware that he’s not real and that I grieved for a fictional character, but by that point i had spent like 7 years with them. It was the most dreaded scene for me to see in the movie, i’m kind of glad they kept it out…though i agree it would have made the movie awesome.
We do see Fred right before he dies. He is kneeling, looking distraught, with what looks like a female Deatheater standing in front of him. This is during Voldemort’s second “PSA” (after Snape dies). Next shot of Fred, only a minute or two later is of him dead in the Great Hall. I imagine that female Deatheater kills him before retreating per Voldemort’s orders (calling on all to bury their dead and giving Harry an hour before facing V in the Forbidden Forest.)
Actually, the “cowering” twin is Gearge, who was being being crucioed – he and Fred have different color shirts, and that is how you can tell it is Fred who is lying dead in the hall scene.
Just posted this elsewhere. I would have liked to see it too, but it needed to be cut for the following reason (in my opinion of course)…The problem with showing Fred’s actual death is how much time and movement it would take. If they showed Fred’s actual death, they’d have to show his body in the great hall still anyway. The actual death isn’t as important to the story as seeing Harry’s reaction to it, and seeing the Weasley family grieving him. All of that would add up to alot of moving around right in the middle of a huge battle, lol. It would have destroyed the pacing. Better to show one last quick scene of Fred & George together, then show his body, Harry finding out he’s dead, and the Weasley family grieving it in one quick (and still powerful) sequence to accomplish all of those things. His death isn’t monumental in the book. He wasn’t killed by anyone important or doing anything specifically important to the battle, so it wouldn’t make sense to kill the momentum of the story just to see it. We got what mattered….Fred died, the Weasleys grieved, and most importantly, Harry knows that Fred (and Lupin & Tonks) has died, and it influences his decision to sacrifice himself to stop anyone else from dying because of him. If you’ve ever done any kind of screenwriting, it can be extremely difficult to get characters where they need to be, and make certain things happen in order to keep up a breakneck pace in a massive climax to a story (in this case a story that spanned 8 films). The task they took on trying to adapt these books (especially 5-7) was monumental. People don’t realize how difficult it is, when something as small as :30 can derail the pacing and plot. Leaving one thing in can sometimes add a few minutes to 3 or 4 different films to make it payoff. I think they did an excellent job on all 8films of telling the story that really mattered….Harry’s story.
@Ian you explained this perfectly. It’s always frustrated me when fans complain about parts cut from the source material for a movie. But books and movies are two very different mediums and have their own rules to follow. I didn’t truly understand this until I read Gone With The Wind after watching the movie dozens of times and it’s really helped me to appreciate what went into making the Harry Potter movies and what a difficult task it was.
agreed, i mean, in the movie, out of all the good guys to die, the main one was fred, he was in every movie and was one of the most popular characters in the series, therefore it would have been better to show his death, instead of harry just walking into the great hall and it shows freds body for 5 seconds and the weasley family crying, if it showed his death, it would have got moe of a reaction from the audience
I wish they had shown more of Tonks and Lupins relationship. For people who dont read the books, they didn’t even really mention that they were expecting a baby in the first one. They only said “We’ve glot something to tell you”. Then in this one, nobody finds out about lil Teddy until Lupin is already dead. (And even then we dont find out the name).
Yah that was such a disappointment. I was expecting to see him in the final scene with the rest of the offspring :’(
totally agree i mean, most people were probably thinking what is harry goping on about in the forbidden forest when he walking talking to lupin about his son. I mean is it really that hard to add a few more minutes to the movie to explain these little things and in more detail, like lupin and tonks child, freds death, dumbledores life, even if it was only a few minutes
When an author has to explain the events of a scene or book as fully as JK has this one, she really has not done her job as a writer. We shouldn’t need an author’s footnotes to understand what happened.
Wrong. I needed no such explanation. It was quite clear in her writing, and no one I talked to needed help with it either. The fact that the writer of the article decided to describe it and offer her words in no way means it was not all there in the book as well.
I agree, I believe it was quite clear in the books as well, though others who have read it disagree. but if I recall harry flat out asks if he’s dead and dumbledore says no….or so I remember, it’s been a long while since i read it.
Also, in the book it is foremost Lilly’s protection in Harry’s blood that Voldemort (unwittingly) took into his own blood as well which protects Harry from Voldemort’s killing curse (which Dumbledore realized as early as Goblet of Fire when he had a look of triumph for a second as Harry described on V. used Harry’s blood to reconstitute his own body). Dumbledore was counting on that to save Harry if he presented himself to be killed by Voldemort willingly.
The Elder Wand allegiance protection became a secondary element in Voldemort’s inability to kill Harry. However in the movie, the Lilly protection is not fully discussed, and the Elder Wand allegiance aspect is highlighted. Harry says to V. that the wand has allegiance to someone else, but V already suspects it, because he stops trying wand spells against Harry at one point in the final showdown, and starts using wandless magic (the strangling robes) and even brute force against Harry. The movie Elder Wand refuses to beat Harry, which is why Harry can beat back V in the dueling that ensues after he “returns to life”.
just wondering, harry didnt die in the forbidden forest because instead the killing curse destroyed the horcrux which was harry, but say harry wasnt a horcrux, would he have died? or not because voldemort took harrys blood in GOF
Remember, this battle was the Waterloo of the Wizarding World. It was so big and grand and so much happened there was no way the narrator (Harry)could have seen and experienced everything that happened. So obviously in Rowling’s mind more happened, more people died and there was more stories but it couldn’t come across in the book because it wasn’t apart of Harry’s narrative.
Not true. It’s more like you haven’t done your job as the reader. It’s all spelled out in the books. If you need to, you can reread the book to see if you missed something. It’s not going hurt.
The Death Eater with Bad Timing was Pius Thicknesse (sp?). Earlier he had suggested they wait before attacking.
Yes. EW clearly didn’t do their homework. He’s the Minsiter of Magic who was also at the dinner table with Voldemort in Part 1.
He was Imperiused in the books. I’m not sure if they showed that in the film. I don’t think so.
dont think he was imperiused in the book, more like he was threatened by voldemort, plus you saw when voldemort was talking to him at malfoy manor, it kept showing him looking at nagini and was nervous
The girl that trelawney pronounced dead was one of the Parvati twins, you can tell because they’re always together yet only one was next to Trelawney with a look of grief on her face as Trelawney tries to comfort her.
Wrong. It was Lavender. Parvati & Lavender were best friends and together in the books far more than the Patil twins. The two of them also had a special relationship with Trelawney.
That’s the name! Patil, it was one of the Patil twins.
No. Parvati and Padma are the twins’ names.
Lavender is their best friend who dated Ron in the 6th movie. She’s the one who was killed.
wrong. It was Lavendar. She was exceptionally close to prof. Trelawney and Pavarti was her best friend. Padma (her sister) did not die at Hogwarts.
Yes, Daisy, it was one of the Patil sisters.
You definitively see Colin dead on the floor, I can’t remember if it was Fenrrir or who, but I distinctly remember seeing him dead,
I really don’t understand all these people saying Colin died in the film, you don’t see him in a single scene. It was clearly Lavender (admittedly it was a fleeting shot but still). When the film is released on DVD you’ll have to watch it again and see it IS Lavender.
Although on reflection the kid that used the radio in ROR to call the Order to Hogwarts might be Nigel (hard to tell as he’s older and a lot taller).
But the one that dies by Fenrir is DEFINITELY Lavender (when you see the closeup on Fenrir’s face you can see the white headband on her head she was wearing earlier)
Lavendar is the one that is killed by Greyback, its definately not Colin Creevey, because he hasnt been in any films since chamber of secrets, Nigel Wespurt, who has been a replacement for colin since goblet of fire, is seen in deathly hallows part 2, he’s the one saying lightning has struck, when harry ron and hermione turn up at hogwarts where the oterh students are, and apparentley he dies during the battle, but i didnt see him die, so im not sure
@Daniel Exactly!
haha thankyou!
I am really unsatisfied with the explanation that JK Rowling gives for Harry’s resurrection in the book. At least- the segment givin in this article- makes no sense whatsoever. It is filled with deus ex machina.
A much more satisfying way to look at Harry’s resurrection is that he was the master of death because he had all 3 deathly hallows. He had the wand, the cloak was his, and right before his death he also had the stone. The “master of death” title means that he cannot die- or at least he gets the choice to come back or not. That makes a lot more sense to me than some hocus pocus nonsense about “lily’s escape route” and how even though no curses are working properly against him for some reason avadra kedavra can.
Harry- master of death. What was the point of the deathly hallows if this was not the case?
Could not agree with you more. Maybe a little detour from the book about the elder wand. Sorry, JKR.
If they lay the pieces down 3 books in advance, its not exactly deus ex machina. Just because you think it doesn’t make sense doesn’t mean you you are right. you just dont get it. If you think you can write a better story, by all means do so. you only have several million copies to sell, after all, to catch up.
i dont think so, the true Master of Death truly accepts the fact that death is inevitable, and that there are other things worse than dying. thats a good and simple explanation. reason why harry didnt die was because voldemort took harrys blood in gof, and all along, harry couldnt die, therefore in taking the blood, voldemort is not able to kill harry, the reason the avada kedavra curse harmed harry was beause its that powerful that it destroyed the horcrux.
It always bugged me that in HBP they go to all the trouble to explain how difficult and complex making a horcrux is (so much so that Voldemort had to study rare books to even find information on how to do it) and yet he somehow made Harry into one by ‘accident’ (seemingly unknown by himself but Dumbledore could work it out?!). Major plot hole IMHO, not to say it makes me love the books any less (there are tons of daft things like that in the books, like make all those additional Harry’s in DH instead of disguising Harry as someone else or someone not using a timeturner to stop Voldemort in the first place).
If you remember from the book (either HBP or DH), Dumbledore mentions that on the night that Voldemort killed Harry’s parents, he had planned on making another Horcrux from Harry’s death. That pre-planned idea happened, but because Voldemort became a spirit he was unaware that a horcrux still happened as planned. I don’t remember who Dumbledore said it to (either Harry or Snape), but it happened in either of the last two books. That because Voldemort was going to make another horcrux after Harry’s death, everything was prepared in such a way that once he had murdered the soul was ready, but things misfired and somehow Harry became a horcrux too.
JK needs to explain the horcruxes spell/preparations properly (hopefully she will on Pottermore) cos even with that explanation (thanks by the way
) it still sounds a little too convenient. It is a complex spell and yet you can do it by ‘accident’ in a split second while being ‘essentially’ destroyed (I know he didn’t die when he tried to kill Harry but Voldemort was kind of destroyed).
we didndt actually find out what voldemort was going to make the final horcrux after killing harry. yes thats correct, voldemort went to godrics hollow that night, with the intent of killing harry and therefore making his final horcrux, but as we know, because lily sacrificied herself, the spell rebounded and hit voldemort, which would have normally killed him, but it didnt because he had made horcruxes, therefore he couldnt die. When voldemort used the killing curse on harry, the spell rebounded and a piece of voldemort soul broke off and latched on to the only other living soul in the room, which was harry
I think it’s the fact that they use the word ‘horcrux’, it’s complex magic so saying his last piece of remaining soul ‘latched on the Harry’ doesn’t sound deliberate so I don’t think Harry should be called the last horcrux. like I said a horcrux is complex magic, it has been studied and has to be planned and deliberately carried out, a piece of soul latching on to something in a split second doesn’t sound like a horcrux which involved much more planning and probably spells etc.. JK needs to say exactly how to make a horcrux so this can be clearly up, all sound s a little too convenient to me (if a piece of soul can save itself in a split second wouldn’t other people’s souls do the same). Voldemort might have wanted to make a horcrux from Harry’s death but he wouldn’t have made Harry’s actual body the horcrux so doesn’t add up IMHO.
yes but remember before killing harrys parents, he planned to make the horcrux by killing only harry, instead he killed both of harrys parents and the spell backfired, but their may be special circumstances when a horcrux can be made accidentley, like this for instance, when he had planned to make one but it went wrong and clung to harry.
Master of death means that you’re not afraid to die, not that you can overcome death. This is a huge theme throughout the books. The Hallows were meant to aid Harry in his death (e.g. his dead loved ones by his side) not stop him from dying. And he would have died if he didn’t already have the allegiance of the Elder Wand, which destroyed the Horcrux in him.
No one Masters death. Death happens. To everyone. To attempt to master it is foolish and waste of ones life . That’s the point.
even if he didnt have the alligence of the elder wand, i dont think he would have died anyway. First of all, voldemorts killing curse would have still destroyed the horcrux in harry, and secondly, harry wouldnt have died anyway, because if the 4th film, voldemort took harrys blood, which meant he and voldemort have a special bond, and he cant be killed
The entire point of DH, or really of the whole series, is that Harry had to learn to accept death and realize that the people he had lost were still with him, in his heart, “always.” Not to become unable to die. In the end, the Resurrection Stone, Elder Wand, and also the Invisibility Cloak (at least in the book, he didn’t use it in the end in the movie) gave him the courage to face death, not to become immortal. That’s the main theme of the DH.
she actually explained it really clearly, the reason why harry didnt die was because voldemort took harrys blood in gof, and all along, harry couldnt die, therefore in taking the blood, voldemort is not able to kill harry, the reason the avada kedavra curse harmed harry was beause its that powerful that it destroyed the horcrux