Image Credit: Paul Hawthorne/Getty Images“I’m a Christian, I’ve made mistakes myself. I believe fervently in second chances. But Michael Vick killed dogs. And he did in a heartless and cruel way. And I think, personally, he should have been executed for that.” Those are the words of talking head Tucker Carlson, who has understandably since found himself in his own crossfire. I’m going to guess that it’s pretty well accepted that Carlson is in the wrong with this belief. Plenty of people believe in the death penalty, whether for reasons of deterrence, social safety, or just old-fashioned Old Testament-style justice, but I doubt many of them would accept that the list of crimes that warrant capital punishment extends to, as odious as it is, animal cruelty. I am also going to guess that at least part of Carlson’s statement was typical cable news shock-jocking.
So it’s not really worth it to finger-wag and chastise Carlson for his statement when he’ll probably apologize profusely and retract it in T-minus six hours. However, I do think this incident raises another interesting question: Just how indignant do we get over cute animals?
Dogs are great pets, I know, but if you’re going to invoke death for Vick killing animals in a “heartless and cruel way,” you also have to be willing to pull the switch on out-of-season and inexperienced hunters, managers of not-up-to-standards slaughterhouses, and a whole slew of age-appropriately sadistic six-year-olds. I don’t belong to PETA and I enjoy my hamburgers medium rare, but even I know a pig is just about as smart as dachshund, even if one ends up in a hot dog and the other just looks like one.
Cute-instigated self-righteousness (or CISR) also rears its head on just about every single YouTube animal video ever uploaded. Just look in the comment section of a clip of a cat sitting in a box and you’ll see that about half of them say stuff like, “This is animal crulety [sic], man!!” or “Cats aren’t born in boxes for a reason! Free Mittens!” The puppy-dog eyes and the kitty-cat tails blind us to the truth: They would have never made Marley and Me if Marley was a squid.
My point, if indeed I have one at all, is that we should all take a moment to appreciate the goofier, uglier, and not-so-adorable-looking creatures of the world. The blobfish, the snail, the fruit bat, the naked mole rat, and, yes, even that very rare species: The oft-bow-tied, mealy-mouthed television pundit.
I wonder if Vick would have been playing for Philadelphia if he had done to eagles what he so viciously did to dogs? You just have to read the criminal report on Vicks and his cronies actions and you’d side with Tucker Carlson in a second…which I thought I’d never ever say. The bigger issue is the fact that most people are all lovey dovey with Vick just because he can throw a ball? I just wish one of the biggest wrestlers in the world would torture Vick and throw him to the ground…see how he likes it. NFL = National Felon League.
Amen!
And President Pinhead called Vicks during his vacation! What a moron!
Umm he didn’t call Vick. Learn to read please.
I correct myself!
He did mention Vicks out of his “busy” vacation schedule but failed to address the public when the government arrested the Christmas bomber last year!
What kind of Pinhead President is that!
John C I guess it is ok to rape babies,and kill your own kids and get life.I guess you don,t it ribs,chicken,and steaks.ARE YOU MARRIED TO A DOG?
Did I ever say that!?
Please don’t put word into my mouth!
Sounds like someone get’s all his news and opinions from a certain old Irish grump on FOXNEWS. Pinhead? So 1950′s.
MN,
I can use many terms to describe the current President!
Which one do you prefer?
How about thinking for yourself?
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I am not anti Obama, but I was horrified at his comment concerning Vick. I think Vick got off much too easy. Do I think he deserves the death penalty? No, but definitely many years in prison, a hefty fine and no more football.
I love how people whose intellect couldn’t hold a handle to the folks they taunt feel perfectly justified. God Bless America.
where do you find your unique news?
To Melissa: He lost out on over a $100,000,000 contract with the Falcons, went broke, and did time. Not to mention he lost respect and dignity in the public sphere, and was internationally embarrassed. He’s a total dbag, but Melissa, what more do you want from the guy?
To Mike : What more do we want? How about not parading him on TV as a sports hero? The fact that he was ever allowed to play again, for anyone, anywhere, that isn’t his own backyard, is disgusting and just proves how ridiculous the whole notion corporate owned sporting teams is. He should be cleaning up dog crap in parks for the rest of his life, not living as a pampered sports star.
Didn’t he serve his time already? I don’t get what people are so pissy about. I love dogs, but really.. who gives a sh#$? If it were human beings he had fighting instead of dogs, his name would be Dana White.
death penalty is extreme, but at the very least he should have been locked up for 5-10 years… torturing animals for profit / amusement is wrong on so many levels. Failing to pay the government (tax evasion) is more severe than this? I think not… Instead he got a slap on the wrist, a fine, and voila! he’s back making millions playing football, that’s America for y’all… Had it been some random Joe Blow, he’d be still in prison guaranteed.
“john_c Thu 12/30/10 8:20 AMAmen!
And President Pinhead called Vicks during his vacation! What a moron!”
Look who is calling someone else a Pinhead: it is spelled “Vick” needlehead.
I agree with the other comment, he never called Vick, but of course even if he did, he is our PRESIDENT and should be able to call whom he would without your comments or mine. I am glad we have a President that cares about the all mankinds, and not just keeping our world safe. Thank you Mr. President for caring about people and the world affairs.
Had he been some “random Joe Blow,” he’d likely never have gone to prison at all. Celebrities who are convicted, especially of certain types of crimes, actually tend to get harsher penalties than less prominent people. There’s always a chorus of “law-and-order types” clamoring to “make an example” of the Famous Felon.
I think what bothers me the most about this argument is that some people apparently believe that it is actually impossible to rehabilitate a convict. Michael Vick pled guilty, paid a heavy toll in his life, served his time, and has humbly and earnestly earned his way back to success. No one is saying that everyone has to root for him, but our society should be committed to giving him a chance, like we do most criminals.
Michael Vick should have received a lifetime ban from the NFL, and done at least 10 years in prison. He broke multiple laws, including gambling, and the abuse, torture and murder of helpless animals. Pete Rose got screwed in comparison. I don’t care what he lost in terms of the cash value of his contracts—they were his to lose, and shouldn’t have any bearing on what sentence he deserved (and still deserves to get) from the justice system. I think at the very least the man is a sociopath.
“Celebrities who are convicted, especially of certain types of crimes, actually tend to get harsher penalties than less prominent people.”
That’s why Lohan and Hilton’s jail terms were often spelled out in minutes. The only way you’re going to jail in this country is to screw the IRS—and since Michael Vick doesn’t seem like the brightest bulb—perhaps there’s still hope.
Dog tastes a little like venison. Not bad.
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what more do we want than 100,000,000 loss, some jail time and public scorn from Vick? I dunno. He electrocuted wetted down dogs to death, and cut hamstrings of “trainer” dogs so they couldnt fight back as well. I’d cutting his fingers on his right hand off, and a few hours with his balls hooked to a car battery should do it.
Wow!!! So, you condone torture of human beings?!?!
You have no place in this country… please leave
Why are we wasting our time on this trivia? America – wake up to the real threat: China! China is enslaving its population and using them to undercut all of our manufacturing. And we are buying their cheap crap without a shred of guilt. Michael Vick is a footnote in history. Let’s focus on the important stuff here, before we become footnotes.
You’re joking right? This country tortured people during the Bush administration, so whoever favors human torture is a true American (according to Conservatives, at least).
This country has been torturing for info during war since before the Washington administration, and your a fool if you think Obama isn’t warterboarding fo info either. Heck, that is the ONLY physical technique available that does not injure, scar, cut, bruise, leave limbless, or otherwise permanently injure its victim. Waterboarding cannot hurt you, and quite frankly, the TSA has caused more psychological damage than waterboarding with their fondling of 6-year-old girls and rape survivors. The sad thing is that you probably agree with the TSA just because it came under a democratic administrations. By the way, if al-Qaeda ever got a hold of you because you worked at a water treatment facility or nuclear plant, only then would you come to know the true forms of torture available…that is unless you were a giant wuss who started talking immediately. Sorry, had to be said since you wanted to discuss torture under the Washington through Obama administrations.
There are so many rapist walking the street who should be in prison and u all seems to be concerned about MV and dogs, Seems in the US animals are more important than humans
We have dog fights in Chicago….and I’m sure they’re done in your state and others…the person having the dog fight most of the TIME does not serve prison time. They dogs are taken away from them. When pit bulls kills children or attack, the owner is ticketed.
Vick was convicted of a FEDERAL crime, that’s why he served time.
But to declare that any human being should be “executed” is severe and racist on Tucker’s part, because he wouldn’t have said it had it been Brett Favre — bet on it.
You are moronic to think this is a racist issue. Its the fact that Vick is a NFL player and is able to go back to his regular life after enjoying torturing innocent animal’s for entertainment. Yes, there should be tougher penalties for people who are able to commit horrific crimes on animals who are not able to defend themselves. As for the pitbulls who attack children or other animals, they are trained to be vicious which is part of the dogfighting business. Pitbulls are NOT vicious dogs until they are trained to be. Furthermore, those people who are caught for dogfighting or what not do go to jail – idiot!
FromChicago, you are definitley correct. This is a race issue point blank. Check out below th e comment about Ben Rothlesberger.
Racist? Maybe because the president would have never considered reaching out to Brett Favre if it were him instead of Vick.
I say it about Brett Favre and he doesn’t even have to torture defenseless dogs to make me say it.
agreed.
How is this a racist issue? Unless you are saying white men never have dog fights and dog fighting is only done by African Americans. Is that the racist in you coming out?
If not jailed in every state they should be.
The fact that your mind went straight to “well he’s black so it must be racism fueling these comments” actually makes you the racist and a complete idiot. It is so beyond annoying how the race card is just thrown all over the place nowadays and it’s equally annoying that SOME people seem to think that only CERTAIN individuals or groups are subject to racism.
I love Michael Vick because he is gonna carry my Philadelphia Eagles to the Superbowl this year! Everyone else can suck it! What he did is in the past and he is truly sorry about what he had done. We should all get second chances in life! He is an amazing quarterback that Philly loves!
@bw…Sooo, what you’re saying is if some regular Joe who had a job making $30k a year was convicted of the same crimes as Vick (like that would happen, since it wouldn’t be nearly as high profile for the prosecutors or media), that once he had served his time in prison he shouldn’t be allowed to earn a living in his chosen profession either?
he might not have.. but i would.
Race is always an issue. Some of you people are always pretending it isn’t.
Race is only an issue because people like you always want to make it an issue.
I agree this is a race issue now. I just can’t help to wonder why people have so much cruel venom to spew at a man who has done his time, paid his debt and is earning a living. Meanwhile, we’ve got football players sending sexts when their married and others regularly accused of rape. I think people want to overlook the fact that dog fighting is more common than people want to admit, but it is easier to make a black man the poster child for every cruel statement. And the fact that the President offered congrats to the Eagles owner only added fuel to the flame of hate. Its unfortunate that hate and intolerance have grown exponentially in this country.
FromChicago is correct. This IS an issue of racism, whether we like it or not. Tucker didn’t recommend executing the thousands of white people who kill millions of animals, and kill them cruelly, every year. Denying that this is racism doesn’t make the racial politics of Tucker’s comments go away; it just shows how out of touch some people are with the reality of what’s going on here.
Thank you FromChicago for being brave enough to name the problem.
Where is all the hate for Ben Roethlesberger???
Ben RAPES a woman… gets off scott free, and yet there are hundreds posting about how Mike Vick should be executed.
Where are all the “Kill Ben” threads???
Totally agree w/you Jay…i’m shocked that that all Roethlesberger received was a fine and 4 game suspension!! What kind of message does send? If you kill a dog, you get jail time (which i happen to agree with) but if you rape a woman, its really no big deal. The whole thing disgusts me…just one more reason to hate the steelers.
kill him too.
Roethlesberger was accused of raping someone but was never brought up on charges or went to trial. There is a big difference between doing something and being accused of doing something.
I totally agree. It is baffling how this guy is not in jail–or even on trial for this revolting crime. Oh right, he’s a rich athlete, and white. What a disgusting excuse for a human being.
At least Mark in NYC posted the truth. Its not like Ben was found guilty and then let go
@Mike – he was not brought up on charges cuz he paid the girl money to keep quiet.
But he raped her in a private room of a club while his security detail was right outside the door protecting him
Were you there in the room with him? I don’t think any woman (myself included) could ever be paid off after being raped. That is an unforgivable sin. So unless, you were there, i’d shut your mouth about what he did or did not do. At the end of the day, vick went to jail, roth did not.
Actuallly you bring up an excellent point. A real rape victim would not give up justice for a pay day. And “Jay”, rape is one of those crimes that can’t be swept under the rug with a pay off. In a violent crime, it is not up the victim to press charges. In violent crime situations if there is evidence to charge someone the DA office is required to do so, whether or not the victim wants it. The victim can choose not to testify but it is the law that a suspect is charged. Do you think that if an attempted murder victim decided not to press charges against their attacker that the police would just say “ok if you don’t want to press charges, he goes free” WRONG! In these situations there is no choice, charges are filed. The woman was not looking to press criminal charges, and if there was any evidence that she was in fact raped then charges would have been brought against Ben. But since this woman was acting very suspicious by waiting a year, filing a civil suit before any real charges could be filed, selling her story to the tabloids, and not being able to provide any real evidence the case was dropped.
Really?! You don’t think ANY woman could ever be paid off after being raped? What kind of statement is that?! OF COURSE they could be paid off! A lot of people have a price even when the most heinous of crimes has to be ignored to be paid. Please, there are tons of women who don’t even report the rape, needless to speak of those that report it and don’t follow through with the charges. Not everyone wants to go through a trial for a variety of reasons. Whether or not you agree with their decision, let’s not pretend it is uncommon.
@Jay..I totally agree with you..big Ben Does rape women..just the cops in SC are too ball less to charge him..he should be seving 20 years..what vick did was bad, but you can easily replace a dog, a wife, daughter girlfriend not so easy..Tucker carlson, whoever he is, should be castrated, just so there’s no more narrrow minded bigots with his genes running around
@JAY, man you beat me to the punch I was coming here to leave the exact same comment! Why shouldn’t Ben Roethlesberger who has raped 4 women since college, not be raped and killed? It’s the same as wife beater 37 yr old Eminem getting away for year with beating his wife Kim many times but the media excoriates 21 yr old Chris Brown for having 1 fight! Tiger Woods had affairs but so did Jennifer Gardner-Afflect why was she nor laid bare before the world? Race is the primary factor in all three cases!Post-racial America…LOL how hilarious!
Kill ‘em all, I hate football.
@Victory Lap…wait….Jennifer “Gardner-Afflect” had multiple affairs??? When did this happen?? Oh you mean Jennifer GARNER who is married to Ben AFFLECK….hmmmm that info is about as suspect as your spelling, but I get your point.
Thank you Jay!!! I agree, totally!! Apparently, some people care more about animals than they do about women!!!!
Do you know how many puppy mills there are in Pennsylvania?
I bet no one calls for their state sanctioned murder. They’re probably Eagle’s fans too.
Perhaps, but they are contributing to society with $$$$$. Vick, the average black nothing, will never be able to do what those great whites can do. He’s just another fish in the pond. They’ll pluck him out and throw him back where and whenever they get ready.
Lynda, you are an uneducated racist moron. You make white people look bad!
Michael Vick discusts me-I won’t even watch football if his team is playing! I have a pit bull who is the most lovable dog ever and what he’s done is unforgivable-and he does’t deserve to be in any spotlight other than the one above the electric chair!!!
“Mick Vick didn’t eat the dog, but you ate a chicken”. This is the most blatent expression of cultural elitism in America. You are able to choose a “DOG” as special but you still eat fish, chicken, steak, pig; you kill spiders, ants etc…But a dog. Oh NO! This is called selective elitism. You know Hitler did the same thing. He loved DOGS and CATS because they were the “INTELLIGENT” animal, but monkeys were “Stupid” so they should be killed. Michael Vick is disgusting people who are selective about there animals are disgusting. You ONLY can have something to say about VICK if you are a vegetarian “maybe”. If you have ate an animal you are a PURE HYPOCRITE because not only do you support the killing of animals. YOU SUPPORT EATING THEM TOO! DISGUSTING!
You sound very cranky MV. Maybe you need more protein in your diet.
@MV- There’s a big difference between killing an animal for food and killing an animal because it lost you money in a fight and is too weak to keep fighting.
I eat meat, but I don’t think it’s ok to torture cows, fish, chickens or any other animal.
Totally agree with you Lauri. Vick
got off easy. He should never have been aloud back in the NFL. They need to increase the punishment for all animal cruelty.
Your spelling DISGUSTS me.
A little harsh don’t you think? I don’t in any way condone animal cruelty, but no one deserves to die over it. People don’t get executed for beating others, they only get jail time- so why should someone be EXECUTED for promoting dog fights? I think his punishment should have included him not being able to play in the NFL, though. And I approve of the judge’s decision to prevent him from ever having a dog again. But remember, he paid his price, and he seems genuinely sorry. Anything else would be too much.
Most of the animals eaten in this country are tortured. Think chickens having their beaks cut off and then stuffed into cages that barely contain them, with their wings bulging out the sides. And then they’re left there for two weeks. Every time you pay for foster farms chicken or a McDonald’s nugget, you are indirectly supporting the torture of animals. While it may be natural and milleniums-old common practice, we don’t HAVE to eat meat to sustain ourselves. Even if we did, we don’t HAVE to eat meat that is the product of torture. Yet most of us, most of the time, still do. So if the motivations behind Vick’s actions are different (perhaps only marginally- eating things because they taste good isn’t that different from doing things because they’re entertaining), the consequences are certainly the same. To think otherwise requires proactive ignorance.
@MVDIDN’TEATTHEDOG and Patrick
You two took the words right out of my mouth. That’s what annoys me so much about Vick’s case. While I don’t condone dog fighting or any animal abuse, the only reason America’s up in arms over the whole thing is because of this country’s infatuation over dogs. Had it been any other animal (besides maybe cats), nobody would give a crap. In fact, most people don’t give a crap about the millions of chickens, pigs and cows slaughtered in horrific ways everyday to prepare our food. Where’s the outrage in that? Exactly.
Also, where’s the animosity towards NFL player Dante Stallworth? He was convicted of vehicular manslaughter (he ran over a man back in 2009, and yes, it was DUI), settled out of court, and could’ve played in the 2009 season if Commissioner Goddell didn’t suspend him for a year. Where’s the outrage towards him? Exactly…
You’re probably the type of person who dresses their dog in matching outfits, call it your child, take it to Olan Mills and take family pictures while kissing it in the mouth. You’re a “dog advocate” but how many homeless people do you step over and ignore with your head down everyday?
If Vick needs to be executed you should be next in line.
@ Shawn… you’re so right! Some people call their dogs “their little fur babies”.
Shawn, the dogs themselves are not the only issues. This man delights in inflicting pain on living beings. That’s classic sociopathic behavior. If he were just a dogfighting fan, he wouldn’t be so scary. My own father liked it as well. It’s the torture – serial killers start with animals. If Vick weren’t famous, he would probably eventually torture and kill humans. He’s sick.
Olan Mills, wow that brought back memories w/ family photos back in the day. Are they still around? Don’t think there is one in my city any more…
John C – “Vicks” is a cold medicine. “Vick” is the sociopath.
OK Vick made a mistake and he went to prison for that mistake. I dont think for long enoungh but he went and now he has paid for his crime with time and money. This is the USA and we all have a chance to change and try to be better people. He now has that chance and is doing well for it. Good luck Vick you can be a better person too bad people here cant be that way.
Was “Vick” sorry for what he did while he was doing his time and paying his fines? Probably. Will he ever do it again? Probably not. Now that he is back in the spotlight and being well paid for it, does he feel much remorse? Probably not. Recent comments about how hard it is on his kids not to be able to have a pet dog, suggests that he still really doesn’t get it.
This is the first voice of sanity I’ve read here. Well said.
If More people really read what he truly did to these animals by his own confession, they would feel more like Carlson. A little animal, that was put on this earth by God, intended for our enjoyment as a pet and could not defend its self from someone like Vick and was brutalized makes me think he could do the same to little helpless children if they angered him. People like him have no feelings and should have had the same thing done to him that was done to the animals.
God put humans on this earth too. What we do to each other is terrible. (And killing another human outweighs killing an animal. Case and point: We eat animals, including dogs in some cultures.) But we live in a predominately Christian society. And Christ taught forgiveness to the point where he asked his father, on the torture stake, to forgive his killers “for they know not what they do”. I hate what MV did, and I don’t know him, so I can’t speak as to whether or not he’s truly sorry, but I don’t understand how any person who believes in God and Christ can say that MV cannot be forgiven. Or how so many people here can hate him for not showing love to animals, but when he apologizes, be so unwilling to show principled love by giving him a second chance. If you believe in God, then you must believe that he does not think that way.
Wonder what Carlson thinks about people who would shoot moose just for fun.
Oh wait, he thinks she should be president.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I liked that comment, Rock Golf.
P.S. If Vick hadn’t gotten caught, would he still be dog fighting? Probably. With dog fighting comes drugs, guns, and crime. He’s a thug who can play football. That’s all.
All you anti-hunting people just think we shoot the moose and then leave it there in the wilderness to rot? Heck no! My family shoots deer and elk and buffalo for the meat! It’s much healthier and so much more delicious than the nasty corn fed beef most other people eat. Know your facts about hunting before you speak.
I agree completely, with you and Tucker! Vick is a useless dog killer who would do it again if he had the chance, don’t think otherwise.
Amen! People forget what the murdered did, just because he may be able to help the Eagles win a Superbowl. Sick.
Amen! People forget what the murderer did, just because he may be able to help the Eagles win a Superbowl. Sick. This Philly chick is hoping for a Vick injury! NOT all of Philly loves Vick.
I wonder if you feel like this about all the hunters that hunt down and kill with licenses every year in the woods to include deers, birds and quails. Killing other species is killing, no matter what type.
Well the difference with that is, I actually eat the meat from the animals I hunt. It’s not torture if it dies instantly, which is what I aim to do every time I go hunting. The meat is healthier and delicious!
I’m as liberal as the day is long, but I agree with Tucker Carlson on this one, in spirit at least. I think Vick should still be in prison…
you are an evil person. anyone who wishes death on another human being is. he did his time in our justice system, so what are you saying? are you an anarchist? do you think you should go around killing anyone who has done something to cause the death of someone else or something else? all meat eaters, hunters, people who have a car accident and kill other people or animals? etc…
Time to point out that football players have been found guilty of crimes against women (rape, molestation) as well as killing human beings (car accidents, dui) but have gotten LESS time or no time at all than Michael Vick. I don’t understand why people feel that dogs are more valuable than women in our society but somehow they are. If he raped a woman, he would be more popular.
I totally agree with all of this, and I’d also like to add that playing football is a JOB. Every person who has served his/her time in prison has the right – and in most cases, they are OBLIGATED by the parole board – to find gainful employment. You may argue that he should have been employed at McDonalds rather than hired to play football again, and perhaps that is so, but since the owners have the right to hire/fire whomever they so please, it is not up to us whether or not Mike Vick’s career in football is over.
what is the real reason you hate vick, people like you don’t get mad when an actual human being is murdered? Grow up jerks, pretending that you really care for animals, when it is more than likely it is his color that makes you wish the death penalty on a man.
No. I wouldn’t side with an execution for animal cruelty. WTF?! Why not go into Mexico and start a war based on the bullfighting and cockfighting central to their culture? This is just an abhorrent statement from an a pathetic excuse for a person.
Obama is an ignoramus for calling and checking up on Michael Vick the serial killer of dogs.
Vick most likely has been torturing and killing animal’s since he was kid.
In America I will fight for the death penalty for excrement like Obama’s buddy Michael Vick when they torture and kill animals.
I wish only the worst for Michael Vick the dog killer.
PETA should be finished with Obama now they know he likes Vick the dog butcher.
what Vick did was disgusting but “execution”? Give me a break, he paid his debt. Rapist get less time. People are loosing their minds.
I wonder if you would be running your mouth so much if your ancestors would have been executed for what they so viciously did to black human slaves dog-lover, Jesus said love one another.
Any person who abuses children and or animals should be treated the way they treated them. I deplore what Vick did, will never watch a game he plays in and am amazed(not really) at the short term memories people have for athletes and movie stars.
ppl who eat animals should die
people who DONT eat animals WILL die of malnutrition
Jay, that so isn’t true.
the human race would have died out LOOong ago in that case… homo sapiens are omnivors.
@Jay just talking crazy like some of these sickos who think a man’s life is worth the same as an animal. they will eat animals and say its ok but they dont see how they are killed. if they believe animals are worth more than human lives then they should not be eating animals
Prove it, N.
Cut meat out of your diet… then refrain from taking artificial supplements of any kind.
I bet you $100 I’m in much better heath than you after only 30 days
Jay, I’ve been a vegetarian for eight years. I don’t take artificial supplements of any kind, and I’m in perfect health. Do some research before you start making claims.
carrie: not even tube steak
what’s the difference between eating cow meat and dog meat? nothing really!
@Carrie: I’m sure you THINK you are in perfect health, and you may be reasonably healthy.
But you would be healthier and stronger if you allowed your body to get protein from meat sources
Sooooo Jay. We should execute those who torture animals, but we should still eat torture animals anyways because will we die of malnutrition? You probably have no problem with Palin killing animals either?
The hypocrisy!
@Missvampires:
You’re absolutely right. I have no problem with Palin hunting. It is legal, and humans have been hunting for millions of years. Who am I to turn my back on millions of years of history.
Oh, Jay. You can’t be serious.
I haven’t eaten animal meat for about 30 years and I’m not just alive but quite healthy. Probably healthy than you. Better-looking and smarter for sure.
you are a moron, you need to eat to live and some animals have to die for us to live.
I agree, it takes a special kind of evil to torture children and animals- And Vick’s actions qualify as torture. This was a man of means and not a victim of circumstance. While death is not an option, neither should an NFL career. Where’s the second chance for the animals.
As a vegetarian, I am always shocked at how angry people get over cruelty against dogs, yet the same people couldn’t care less about the cruelty, torture and violence being committed against cows, pigs and chickens in our factory farms. I just don’t get it. Don’t people understand how badly farm animals suffer??
The president is own his vacation not yours.His own!!!!!!!!
Team Tucker on this one. Vick is the ultimate douche lord. Rehabilitated and making millions again. Yeah, that’s just crap. @Keith – comparing what Vick did to what you label “sadistic six-year olds” do says it all. This is a man and not a child. He’s not going to change.
ITA. Vick is not going to change his stripes, he’s a violent person by nature.
So if you’re Team Tucker, you advocate executing a guy who has already been tried and convicted in federal court and paid fines and restitution. I say it’s Tucker Carlson who needs to STFU and stop wasting everybody’s time with a subject that is over and done with.
Death may be a little too harsh for Vick, but only a little. He is obviously a cruel man, and that’s not going to change. And now he wants another dog. Unbelievable.
i suppose the problem i have always had with the michael vick thing is this: he was committed of a crime and he served his time. and i believe that if someone has truly paid their debt to society, then they should be allowed to return to the mainstream. i think the problem a lot of us have is that he has returned to his life and “his life” means being a celebrated rich sports star. i think that doesnt sit well with animal lovers like myself. however, i think my main issue is that i dont feel like he DID pay his debt to society which, in a way, isnt even his fault. the punishments for animal cruelty are weak at best and often times more like a slap on the wrist. i dont believe in the death penalty, or death of any kind, but i also dont believe that he was punished severely enough.
I am not a vegetarian, and cant see myself heading in that direction anytime soon, but i also believe that it is important for us to treat the animals that we do use (cattle, poultry, swine, etc) as respectfully as possible, and give them the best life we can while they are here. Temple Grandin has been a personal hero of mine for years (well before the HBO movie-which i highly recommend) and it is important for us to not turn a blind eye to the treatment of any of the animals in our lives, whether they are the ones curled up at the foot of our beds, or the ones who end up on our dinner plates.
maryanne, what a great post. I too am not a vegetarian; people were made to eat meat. But I only buy meat that has been humanely raised and processed. And let’s please stop kidding ourselves. Pets ARE different than livestock to most Americans. 9 times out of 10, I will side with the animal over the person. Animals simply cannot defend themselves against what people do to them. While I don’t think that Vick should get the death pentalty, he did get merely a slap on the wrist and I can totally see where Tuck is coming from. Animal cruelty is just about the worst thing a person can do.
really BP?? worst than rape, torture and murder?? vick actually served a longer sentence than a rapist
I can understand some of what you’re saying, but I’m wondering what is your stance on those who shoot animals for sport? Those animals are defenseless as well. What about bullfighting and cockfighting? Does an animal having paws make them any more sacred than one with hooves? Have you cared for any foster children or even donated? They’re defenseless children.
And one last question looking at you comment about returning to society, are you more upset about his return or because he makes more money than you?
Great post! Completely agree.
thank you maryann!!!
true, i am virginia resident, but i do believe that he should’ve received a larger sentence for this and it isn’t simply because he tortured dogs (which there were more people involved, not just him is what people forget and they went right back to work on that), but also because he went right back to football and making millions like before. he’s pretty much high profile and more people are watching him than they would any regular joe and no matter how much someone will deny it, it’s true .when most people commit acts of cruelty against animals it’s not considered in a high enough degree as the murder of an innocent human. in his case, he was actually held to a higher standard because he’s constantly under the public eye and he was a role model as well.but i will not grab the torch and pitch fork on someone who wants to redeem themselves and do right again. going from making millions to being placed in a jailcell with no privacy and pretty much not being allowed to piss unless told to will wake a man up. bottom line if someone is willing to pay for their crimes (he did plead guilty) work towards bettering themselves and prove that they will not do it again we have to leave it alone. and sorry to bring up religion but i really think it should at least bother someone that you can say “I’m a Christian, I believe in forgiveness”, and then say “i think he should’ve been executed” because if anyone notices the topic was about obama calling the eagles football coach and most of them tried to stay on that topic and there are certain things that you can’t say that end up being highly looked at. that one being a clear example
You can’t cure sadism. The man’s a sociopath, and he’s going to find another outlet for this urge, probably in humans if he isn’t allowed to be around animals. Execution, maybe not. I’d settle for life imprisonment.
Staging/running dog fights doesn’t necessarily make one a sociapath. Direct cruelty to/killing of animals for one’s own enjoyment does. Vick is a selfish ass, but we don’t know if he’s a sociopath. Plus, around 25% of jailed criminals are sociopaths and they often get their second chances.
Are you saying Vick didn’t enjoy electrocuting these dogs? Torturing them? If he didn’t enjoy it, he wouldn’t have done it.
I highly doubt that Vick “enjoyed” killing those animals. He may have been indifferent, but I doubt he was chuckling at the time
And you know this because you were there Jay? I do believe he is a sociopath. How could you not be if you are even “indifferent” to the suffering of any living thing?
Whatevs is a bit over the top in some comments. But I do have to believe that Vicks enjoyed what he did. Whether he was physically chuckling is beside the point. He didn’t NEED to do what he did. He did it simply because he wanted to. And that means he enjoyed it on some level. And THAT is a very disturbing concept.
Vick stated in the 60 minutes interview last year that he did enjoy killing the dogs because it made him feel powerful. You could see it when he spoke…the man is a monster.
The man isn’t a sociopath. I doubt that you actually know enough about him to make that call. He has/had a god-complex just like most of the previously disadvantaged schmucks who get paid zillions of dollars to throw around a pig-skin or shoot a basketball. He’s culpable for what he did but so is the system that created him. A life-time bad from football would have been well-deserved. A few more years in jail…sure. These extreme punishments that you all are supporting are ridiculous.
I’m with you Michael. While emotionally I can understand that if someone killed one of my dogs I would like to see the same done to them, realistically I would want them jailed for an approprite length of time. Yes, Vicks got off kinda easy, but so do many others in this world. That’s the justice system. Maybe the penalties should be harsher but we are not a muslim country so we should abide by the laws that are on the books. Now if you do believe Vicks got off easily, instead of wasting your time calling for his death, lobby for harsher penalties. As far as Vick goes, all you can do is what I do, give him little thought, boycott his games. I guess you can write the football league and his club repeatedly and complain but doubt it’ll do much good. And if for somde reason, some company decides to use him as a spokeman you can boycott them. Don’t know what else you can do. Maybe establish a fund for abused animals using Vick as a reference.
@Terry,
Indeed! I know someone who went to prison for over a year for having consensual sex with a 16-year-old. I also know someone who served 8 months in county jail, that’s jail – not prison, for murder. He claimed self-defense, had an excellent lawyer, and got away with murder – literally. Same state – blame the justice sentence for that one.
Even more important than not knowing the man well enough to call him a sociopath, it’s pretty clear that rees doesn’t know enough about the condition itself to determine that anyone is.
@ Rees…yes, life imprisonment with a REALLY scary looking “boyfriend”
Is Sarah Palin a sociopath also? She enjoys killing animals. Vick did not just touture and kill the dogs for fun. The ones that were half dead from fighting or not confirming as fighters were euthantized in inhumane ways. It was more financial than personal enjoyment. Less carrying cost. Oh, but the urban guy(code) cannot change. He enjoys killing and will kill again. Please, do a little research before you post.
People CAN and DO change all the time. People regret past actions and try to make up for them. People have remorse and work to right wrongs that they themselves took part in. Whether or not Michael Vick is one of those people remains to be seen. I have my doubts, but I am willing to give him a chance to prove that he has learned from his mistakes and has become a different kind of person.
Agree
People have served time and been released for worse crimes than what Vick did. They go back to life and we have to accept them back into society, or else risk them committing new crimes for lack of anything else to do. Ex-cons have to have jobs or they’ll just stay criminal. Michael Vick is no different — he’s just unusual because the job he happened to go back to is professional football. If the argument is that a person like him (an ex-con) should never work again, then what do people propose we do with all of them?
It’s about time someone acknowledges how horrible Michael Vick is. At the very least he shouldn’t be able to be a professional athlete and treated as a celebrity.
Exactly. I appreciate Tucker Carlson for making that comment. People need to remember what Vicks did.
What did Vicks do? All I know of Vicks doing is making that Vapo-rub stuff for when you’re sick
it’s Vick beetle, not Vicks
@jay- Vicks is amazing and deserves lots of credit. its very helpful in these cold cold days. and i for one, celebrate and applaud it.
actually, crap. do they do animal testing?
I don’t think anyone has forgotten what he did and there have been several discussions about it during this season. I adore my dogs and was horrified by what he did. But, I also believe that he served his time and appears to have become a changed man. It may play out differently in the future but for now, by all accounts, he is different. Maybe I’m a cockeyed optimist but I believe some people can change and I’m not in a position to judge past deploring what he did but seeing that he paid the price. If he turns out to be just swell and a great role model for turning your life around, I think he deserves the chance.
Using animals for food is life sustaining and completely different than causing pain and death for the sake of pleasure and entertainment. You can’t even compare the two. As for the “sadistic six year olds”, don’t they say that most serial killers start out by showing cruelty to animals as a child.
If comparing Michael Vick to a killer of humans, he would be most like a serial killer (getting a sick thrill from causing death and wanting to do it over and over) than to somebody who killed in a crime of passion or for a one-time gain.
Enjoy the new labels on meat. It is not life sustaining on either side of the slaughterhouse. Ever been to one?
Most Americans could fairly easily sustain life on a meatless diet these days. This argument is as genuine as the ones put up by people who eat chicken, pork, and beef but would never eat lamb because they are so cute. As for “they”, if you mean experts on serial killers, yes “they” do say that one hallmark of a serial killer is early cruelty to animals. Did Vick start this when he was six? Did he show any other signs? What he did was wrong, absolutely, but comparing him to a serial killer is absurd.
As Hell Gout said, watch Food Inc. and tell me how warm and fuzzy you are about the way that burger or steak you ate got to the table.
sorry, the should be Hello Gout. ooops!
Missi, people in this country eat so much meat (far more than they need), that the farms and slaughterhouses don’t have time to kill the animals humanely. So, I’m sorry to break it to you, but most cows, pigs and chickens suffer THE SAME IF NOT WORSE suffering than the dogs in Michael Vick’s fighting ring. If you can eat your burger and live with that, that’s fine.
Wow! Way to completely miss the argument I was trying to make. Where exactly in my comment am I advocating eating meat on a regular basis? I was making the point that Vick’s actions could not be compared to those of a hunter or worker in a meat packing plant, because the latter two have completely different motivations. I also did not say that Vick was hurting animals at age 6. I was was arguing the authors use of the words “age appropriately sadistic 6 year olds”. It’s never age appropriate to be sadistic to animals, and if you catch your six year old being sadistic, you need to get that kid into counseling asap.
hamburgers shouldn’t be ordered anything other than ‘well done’. they are made from minced beef which means that the bacteria that existed on the surface of the meat has been minced throughout the burger. if a burger is not thoroughly cooked through, then you are just asking for e-coli.
oh yeah, advocating killing people for failing to respect the lives of animals is just about the stupidest argument i’ve ever heard.
What Vick did was vile, ignorant and despicable…no debating that fact. But like many, he served his time. If you don’t like him or the Eagles organization (hate them) flip the channel. Vick has been out of jail and back in the NFL for over a year now… so why Tucker calling for his head now? Oh yeah, now I remember…that call to the Eagles owner.
So Tucker says that Vick should be executed. So if you follow his logic, Sarah Palin should be executed as well. She likes to kill wolves, caribous, and bears. In fact, there’s proof of her love for killing animals.
Hunting is different from betting on two animals fighting to their death in a cage or ring!
for the sake of arguement I will play the devils advocate and ask, what is the difference between Hunting and dog fighting. both are forms of animal murder, so what is the difference?
Hunting for sustinance is different. Trophy hunting is killing for entertainment.
You are right there is a difference BUT there is also a similarity that shouldn’t be ignored just because acknowledging it will possibly diminish one’s point.
Petunia is awesome.
Do you really think Sarah eats all the animals she kills on her show?
She does it mostly for sport and to show off. A lot of these arguments are contradictory like the people who say don’t wear fur, but eat meat and wear leather. Vicks ain’t wrapped too tight, and what he did is despicable, but comparing him to a serial killer and calling him a sociopath is an insult to all of the victims of real serial killers and sociopaths.
animals naturally kill eachother anyways, so who cars if people watch it happen for entertainment? it’s the same as sports hunting and fishing.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY NUTS!! Your crazy this is clearly “SELECTIVE ELITISM”. You feel one animal is better “Just BECAUSE”. You step on a spider, that’s ok; but killing a dog is awful. Why? because DOG’S are different. I’m sure you treat people the exact same way. I believe that this argument actually provides a window to the soul of people because it shows that you are actually are OK with supremacy. You believe that one animal is better tan another; and if you believe that about animals there is know question that you believe that about humans.
“MV DIDN’T EAT THE DOG, YOU ATE THE CHICKEN!”
like.
There is no difference.
@Jasmine – Please! I was wondering how long it would take for some dummy to mention Sarah Palin’s name. Your comment is ridiculous and purposely inflammatory, wanting to start another politcal argument on an entertainment website. I don’t know you, but I do know this, I thorougly dislike you, but not as much as Michael Vick. This idiot should still be in jail, NOT playing football making millions of dollars, and being adored by people who have short memories of his abuse and torture of the animals we call our friends. Dogs are our companions and love us unconditionally. How can we just forget he was so cruel? How can we as a nation put Michael Vick on a pedestal after what he has done? He should be spit on.
He served his sentence. End of story. If we’re going to make pariahs out of everyone who commits a criminal act, then let’s incarcerate them all for life or put them all to death, regardless of the offense, because what use are they to society? There can be no forgiveness for any crime whatsoever. And I’ll send you the bill for the consequences.
I don’t understand how people can be so singular minded. First of all, his playing football has nothing to do with the crimes he committed. If he was working as a janitor at Burger King no one would care. Second of all, do none of you actually watch football or sports news? Even if they don’t go into great detail, Michael Vick’s past crimes are almost certainly always alluded to and often discussed. There have been multiple stories about how other players, fans, etc. have responded and how they still respond. Not all people have been welcoming. He is admired for his football playing skills, which are excellent, not for what he did. I say cool your jets and use it as a teachable moment if you have kids. You know – he is a great player but he did some bad things, paid the price he was given, and is working toward redemption. Don’t always assume because someone is great at one thing that they are perfect because none of them are. This one did something particular horrendous but he’s trying to move forward and make up for it the best he can.
@Mrs. Kim:
Because Tucker Carlson going on FOX NEWS and calling for Vick’s execution is NOT inflammatory at all, huh?
I have dogs myself and love them dearly, but I also grew up on a farm and know that animals are animals and humans are humans and that their lives should not be equated. Animal cruelty is terrible and I do not condone it, but the death penalty for dead dogs is reactionary nonsense. Bear in mind that if super-conservative Tucker Carlson had heard someone from PETA make such a statement, he’d be ridiculing that person for a fool.
If you’re upset that someone brought up Palin to be inflammatory and not as a valid argument, surely you can’t support Carlson here. I strongly doubt he actually believes Mike Vick should be executed for what he did. He was taking a moment to rile up the FoxNews audience against Obama, for a change. When is the last time conservative pundits have been remotely concerned with animal rights? PETA and the Humane Society are perceived as incredibly liberal. This was an opportunity for Carlson/FoxNews to take another jab at the president, when all Obama was communicating with his phone call was that he appreciated the Eagles organization giving a felon a second chance. In no way did he condone the crime or the punishment. And, since none of us seem to have anything better to do than comment on a website, take a look at other dogfighting crimes/punishments. Compare it with Vick’s.
First off MV should only be qualified to work at a Burger King. I don’t follow sports, but I am offended that he is constantly on my TV anyway, being adorded by people who are only interested in their team winning. There are plenty of others out there qualified to play the game. Why don’t we give those men who have not committed a horrendous crime a chance at greatness. To me this guy squandered it. He had his turn at greatness and blew it.
@Mrs. Kim…it’s funny that you managed to hit the nail on the head while missing completely the point of your whole post. Michael Vick is on your screen and millions of people watch him, some admire and adore him still. As crazy as this may be, who exactly is at fault in this scenario? Is it Michael Vick? The NFL? Network TV? OR THE MILLIONS OF IDIOTS WHO ROOT HIM ON? You are one of many quick to judge the individual when it’s the collective who is at fault.
Sarah Palin sucks Elk butt.
@ Michael – you ask who is at fault in this scenario? I say all. Firstly MV then the NFL for allowing him back on the field. If it weren’t for the first two, he would not be on network TV, and MILLIONS OF IDIOTS would not be rooting him on. I don’t feel I missed the point at all.
@ Mrs. Kim…We’ve created the market. There’s no other reason to explain “Jersey Shore”, Sarah Palin and Arena Football. When consumers demand, the corporations, studios and sports leagues provide. There were no protests outside of the stadium when Vick was reinstated. There weren’t mass cancellations of season tickets. We allowed it. We are just as culpable.
I agree. What Vick did was dreadful and he was punished for it. Palin does not NEED to hunt to survive and that is the difference. If there was no other way for her to get meat, then her hunting would be OK, but she can get food in other ways. Hunting for sport, is as cruel as anything else.
If anybody believes Vick or Palin or whoever should be killed than most commen posters on this site should be executed, myself included. We continue to support these industrialized slaughterhouses that produce our burgers and bacon without stopping to think what we’re putting in our mouths. Cows and Pigs are tortured everyday. They live in filth and inhumane conditions until they are fat enough to be killed. They are not all killed painlessly as technology for this is not perfect. It is known that cows and pigs are just as smart if not smarter than most breeds of dogs. I personally would not be able to kill a pig, but someone who grew up around it would have no problem. Perhaps people who grow up around raising dogs as fighters would be insensitive to it. I know what Vick did was wrong, I am a dog lover myself, but people need to keep their crazyness to themselves.
I got some meat for Sarah.
Sarah Palin executed – sounds good to me! Kill Vick too. Shoot them both from planes. That’s fair, right, Sarah?
Sarah should go hunting with Dick Cheney, so she’d have her own opportunity to get shot in the face. She genuinely enjoys killing animals for SPORT, not food. She’s disgusting.
Sounds alright to me.
Jasmine, love everything you said! oh yeah and hunting is killing. Doesn’t the animal die. Duh!
All of us deserves to be executed. Did any of you self righteuous idiots ever eat a hamburger, bacon, chicken, turkey, lamb, goat etc? Did any of you fools ever step on a bug, kill a fly or walk on thr grass?
All of you dumbarses deserve to die you freakin hypocrits. Get A Life!
Death would be too good for that monster. His punishment should have been to be put in a pit with the dogs he “raised”. See if you can run you way out of that, Mr. Vick.
Just what I was thinking. Michael Vick is trash.
Yes, but put him in bacon pants. Sounds like a plan.
All he did was kill some stupid, dirty animals. Get a life losers!
Tucker’s always been a twit.
and so are you
No need to stoop to that level.
Way to dust off those 4th grade comebacks there, pal.
Who has ever seen a “chicken” be a partner with a police officer, lead the blind ,help find a missing child, or aid the elderly
in so many useful ways.
It just common sense that dogs are not equal to humans.
But Michael Vick did not kill the dogs for food.
He did it for a sadistic hobby
They way you treat an animal, a child, or an elderly person,specifically someone or something weaker than you, that has no power and no voice in which to defend itself , says alot about a persons character .
Vick is the meanest kind of bully, plain and simple.
It would be interesting to see him pick on someone that was his equal.
Execution is a bit over the top, but Keith’s flip attitude irks me. Vick must be pretty intelligent and cultured to be an NFL quarterback (not a 6 year old or a redneck). What I know about how he tortured the dogs–electrocution, drowning, slamming them ont he ground to kill them will always come to mind when i hear his name.
Too bad he didnt get slammed himself a bit more at the hands of the Vikings.
Well said, Kathy. It’s what Vick did beyond the dog-fighting itself that bothered me the most. Execution–of course not. Was he sentenced appropriately? I don’t think so.
He said he didn’t realize what he was doing was “wrong” but he knew it was against the law and that he had to hide it, he tortured these poor animals and every penny he is earning should be going to the remaining animals and the beautiful souls who rehabilitated them. I refuse to watch him play, my husband and I wish nothing but the same treatment he did to those poor animals, he did everything Kathy says and more…he even pulled out all their teeth……he is a disgusting human being…the other players should refuse to pay with him, but they are merely indentured servants of the powerful NFL
holly – michael vick has served his punishment and is entitled to earn a living. if he were a carpenter, would you believe that he should not be allowed to make any more tables?
yes it’s aggravating that he is in the public eye, and no we don’t have to like it, but he can hardly be stopped from working now that he has been released.
missi – comparing him to a serial killer is the kind of unnecessary hyperbole that is ultimately rendered meaningless. besides, torturing animals in childhood is only one of the three indicators.
I understand your carpenter analogy. But I can absolutely say that I would personally not hire such a man to make a table for me. I’d go to the carpenter down the road.
VERY WELL put peekay. People continually hold celebs and athletes to a different standard than normal people but in essence, they are doing a job, it just happens to be in the public eye. He takes a crap just like the rest of us so stop putting these people on a pedestal.
What a bunch of hypocrites. I have a feeling most of these so-called “Christians” are writing about how Vick should be killed or maimed or made to watch The Brady Bunch Variety Hour. Did not Jesus teach forgiveness and redemption? Did he not go to jail? Does he not do community service telling his story to kids in school?
Personally, get off your high horses. Yes, what he did was awful beyond words but he did go to jail. That is more than OJ did when he killed two people.
How can you say God has forgiven Vick? You don’t know that, I think God may very well be horrified by what Vick did and also by the greed of the Eagles to accept him just to get some tickets sold. I don’t agree that he should’ve been executed but he did deserve much more jail time and he should be banned from ever owning a pet ever again. I think animals should be given way more respect than they get. Yes we eat them and own them but they still have valuable lives. What Vick did, in my opinion, is unforgivable. I don’t need to look to God and Jesus to know that. I am smart enough to make up my own mind and he will never be fully rehabilitated in my book.
Thank you peekay!
Vick went to prison and gives weekly speeches about dogfighting. He’s been giving speeches long before he became the starting quarterback for the Eagles.
But the fact is, he went to prison, has acknowledged his mistakes, and wants to move on. There are thousands of convicted criminals out there that want that second chance, and unfortunately, many of them never get it. Vick’s lucky with Tony Dungy in his corner visiting him in prison. But there are regular people who got a second chance and you’d never know because they aren’t a professional athlete or celebrity.
Not many Christians on this topic… If God can forgive – and you can’t – what does that tell you about your soul. I think VIck is truly sorry and I can forgive too. How very sad you can’t.