'Project Runway': Tim Gunn weighs in on Gretchen-gate

It’s been four days since the apocalypse. Four days since Nina Garcia and Michael Kors’ nonsensical whims du jour hijacked Project Runway and stuck us with the lousiest winner in the show’s history. I’ve calmed down considerably since writing my post-show recap — I no longer feel the need to type in all caps — but I’m still driving myself crazy trying to make sense of what happened. So many questions! How did Gretchen go from eliciting Nina’s death stare with her “crunchy granola” Birkenstock ensembles in the semi-final to having her “finger on the pulse of fashion” in a matter of days? Because she put her models in some high heels? Put some gel in their hair? Isn’t the point of the show to anoint the most fashion-forward designer, not the one who’s responding to current trends? Did Nina and MK want to punish Mondo for not heeding their advice about the so-called “circus-y” motifs? Did the show’s producers insist on a female winner to appease the Lifetime audience? Or is it more sinister yet: They wanted to create a controversy to keep us talking about the show. If the latter, then, congratulations. Really. Stellar job.

Last Friday, both Nina and Michael declined my interview requests. Today, Heidi Klum and Tim Gunn are doing the declining. Not being able to make sense of the finale with Tim is particularly disheartening, since he’s no longer posting his wondrous vlogs on his Facebook page. But, thanks to a fan who recorded him riffing at a recent Kate Spade event in Pennsylvania, we now know exactly what Mr. Gunn thinks of the whole Gretchen-gate debacle. (Kudos to Blogging Project Runway for first posting the video.) Watch the segment below as Tim explains how Heidi tried to enlist him to sway Nina and Michael’s votes. Then watch how he brilliantly addresses the Gretchen situation. (Pay extra close attention to the sly gesture he makes at the very end.) Tim Gunn, you remain our hero. Always and forever.

What do you think? Are you still raging about Gretchen-gate? Or should we call it Nina-and-Michael-gate? It’s their fault, after all. Does the Tim video cheer you up at all? “Mondo will do fabulously anyway, and Gretchen really needs the money.” LOL!

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  • No More Project Runway

    I no longer watch PR after watching 8 seasons. I am done. I also will not buy Marie Claire magazine. I never bought Kors clothes, so that just goes without saying. But they get none of my patronage – and neither will Gretchen – if she ever makes it that far in the clothing world. “I” am NOT her customer.

    • DW

      I find this attitude completely ridiculous. This was one of the best seasons of Project Runway EVER, filled with delicious drama, backstabbing, and unexpected twists and turns. I don’t think a horrible winner negates any of that, and giving up on the show because of it is the equivalent of sulking in the corner because you didn’t get your way.

      • tma

        I mostly agree with you, but really , the best season EVER? Did you see season 3? That was by far the best season ever.

      • Jacob

        Yes. Season 3 and season 4 were by far the two best seasons. This season was too drama heavy; that’s not why I enjoy the show, really.

      • LTC

        But that’s what I always liked about PR, it was about the clothes, not the drama. Now it’s like any other reality show where drama and conflict are the main ingredient and the clothes are an after thought. I’m not really into fashion, but I absolutely loved this show in the past and nows it’s a soggy mess.

      • Dahlia

        I have to disagree with you, DW. One of the reasons I loved PR to begin with was, for the most part, the lack of emphasis on “delicious drama, backstabbing, and unexpected twists and turns” and the focus on the competition and fashion. Remember Wendy Pepper? She tried so hard to be the “villain” of the season, and it just looked so silly compared to the rest of the group who was determined to make fashion first and television second.

        PR has been on a downward spiral since LA – I think some of the frustration from viewers is not just because the judges were clearly high when they decided the winner, but because it’s time for them to start finding passionate designers instead of people who they think would make the best television.

      • as

        This was the worst season of Project Runway by any talent standard. The show WAS about design, creativity, innovation, high fashion when it was on Bravo. It isn’t anymore. We can watch Big Brother for reality TV backstabbing and silly drama.
        Mondo was the only credible contestant. The results showed that the whole thing was manipulated by Lifetime. There’s no other reasonable explanation for Michael Kors and Nina Garcia’s behavior. Tim Gun deserves better.

      • sarah

        eh, it was definitely not the best season ever. really, let’s measure gretchen as a villain. do we remember kenley collins? can gretch hold a candle in the horrible bitchiness dept? def not.

        it was a dull season, i think. LESS dull than the last two for sure. but very dull results, a couple of decent challenges, and really minimal personalities. really.

      • Rudewaitress

        BY FAR, the worst season…from a design point of view. Practically zero creativity. So many wannabes and plenty of never wills. Personally, I liked Andy’s final collection the best, although I didn’t care for most of his previous looks. It was classy, with wonderful lines and beautiful fabrics. Mondo was a close second but a little too Betsy Johnson Lite. A DISTANT third was Wretched Gretchen. Can you say boring? Three models in tacky diaper shorts screams lack of true talent. The whole collection, including that high school jewelry project, said ‘JCPenney 75% Off Rack, not NY Fashion Week.
        Try WAY harder next time, Heidi.

      • MorgaineChya

        Well, I guess we can see the timbre of the people who will watch PR Season 9.

        If I wanted to watch a group of people conspire to scapegoat someone who has done nothing to them, I’d join the KKK.

        But you go for it. It sounds like it is just your cup of tea.

      • Alexis

        I definitely agree that Mondo deserved to win over Gretchen, but I don’t shre the view that her win was producer manipulated. Mondo was such a fan favorite contestant, and Gretchen was made out to be the seasons “villian” it would have been much better press for him to win. No I think that one was all Nina and Michael, they just prefer Gretchen’s aesthetic to Mondo’s, sad but true

      • Alexis

        *share

      • jezoebel

        If I want drama, I’ll watch one of those “Real Hosewives” garbage. When I watch PR, I want to see the process of creating beautiful garments with whatever obstacles thown at them. I don’t need stupid petty fake “drama” because it’s stupid, petty, and most of all, fake.

      • amelia in portland

        I know PR is reality tv but the fashion is what brings must of us to our teevee on Thursday nights. This was one of the better seasons in terms of talent. I still miss Ramone and secretly wish for an “All Star Project Runyway” season. THAT WOULD BE FIERCE:) Anyway, the fashion was great and I really thought it was going to come down to Mondo and Andy. Mondo has a unique eye for color, texture, flair – serious wearability, I think to women to all ages, if you buy in separates. I would kill for his Jackie design! Andy showsed impeccable skill with sophistication and edge. Andy’s resort wear was beautiful, sophisticated, sexy and kinda slutty all at the same time! And surprisingly, they’re both people of color – and sexy cute. Gretchen didn’t deserve her win. MK and Nine should be out. True fashion lovers of PR want to see a show of talent, design, imagination, passion and fearlessness of this art. We don’t want to see someone drab-down and put a little different spin on what we’re already wearing on everyday-street.

      • No, Alexis

        If Mondo won, we wouldn’t still be talking about this mess. There is much more press now because he DIDN’T win.

      • jj

        thanks, there is hope in america!

      • stevenjaba

        This was a great season, despite the horrible ending. The last 2 seasons – just after Runway moved to Lifetime – were the worst.

      • Elizabeth

        Well, there are those of us who tune in for the creativity and what the designers can create with material, and there are those who tune in to watch all the hot mess bitchery of shallow people.

      • Krystal

        I did love the drama not going to lie but I loved season 3 too! I loved Seth Aaron last year… I think it’d be awesome to get the winners in a show like the best of the best and see what people come up with.

      • elr

        To DW: Then I will be a corner sulking.

      • Reed

        If Posh had been the guest judge this season there’s no way Retchin’ would have won. Posh would never be seen in those clothes – she would have been team Mondo.

      • Peggy

        This is supposed to be a design show, not a soap opera. If I want drama, I can go to my local city council meeting. I want to see good design, forward thinking, and fresh ideas. Not 7 year olds squabling in a sandbox.

      • Coco

        I do not think this has been a good season. The clothes were terrible and the bullying uncomfortable to watch.

      • DebraDennis

        My favorite season was season four, partly because that was my first season watching it. I disagree about the “delicious” drama this season, and actually found it painful to watch at times. That whole anti-Michael C period was cringe-worthy, and Mondo’s tuen-around regarding him was just one of many moments that showed what a mature and wise person he is. After reading this interview, I like him even more.

      • Liz in CA

        No DW, if you want all that backstabbing crap, go watch some other show!!! I watch this as pretty much my only reality show, for the TALENT and CREATIVITY. Now it’s gone. Sad. As I figured, Lifetime has flown it into the ground.

      • ewwww

        So you’re obviously watching for drama not the clothes. If that’s what floats your boat, then go for it. But some of us actually watch for the clothes; not to watch people being “thrown under the bus” nor a no-talent scarecrow looking person obviously jealous of others to put her venom on the screen. Mondo will go far. Gretchen, well maybe she can design for JC Penney

      • sewcamille

        I watch project runway because I LOVE fashion and fashion forward designers. I thought this was the worst season for the reasons you thought it was the best? Most designers want what others to succeed if they can’t. This was the most Caty season to date, and in large part that is due to Gretchen. To top it off she was not the best designer! Those of us with a passion for fashion are irate and rightly so because the most talented designer did not win. PERIOD

      • Morgaine

        If I wanted transparent and moronic drama, I’d watch Survivor.

        PR WAS a class act, and the best reality show I ever watched. I’ve watched it the longest, too.

        Shows like Survivor, and now PR, are a dime a dozen, just like viewers who like those shows are a dime a dozen.

        For both the shows and the designers, it’s pure laziness– it’s much easier to do a reality show if you use made-up drama as a crutch, and it’s much easier, and less mentally taxing, to watch a made-up drama show.

      • Tony Beetes

        COUGARWEAR WINS! Nina and Michael showed what dinosaurs they are. Nina used to set fashion in her magazine, not “follow its pulse” by “flipping through (other) magazines”. Now she goes for Gretchen’s cougarwear. I guess cougar is as cougar does. Michael was just a witch; 2 out of the 3 women there say they’d wear Mondo’s dress, but he (rudely) challenged Heidi to wear it. He seemed mad that Mondo hadn’t followed his every command. Michael, all I can say is, nobody will remember Gretchen’s work 6 months from now. Except cougars. (And get a new set of clothes, will you?) Mondo is the Andy Warhol of fashion, a true once-in-a-lifetime genius. Anyone who would pick Gretchen’s cougarwear over his art is an old has-been. The only way I might possibly watch PR again is if NG and MK are not there.

      • Emily

        I watched Project Runway because, at least initially, when it was on Bravo, it was about the talent and the creativity and seemed to reward both. They (woefully) only started getting into “dramatics” with the finales.

        Ninety minutes is too long, for one thing, and, of course, it’s Lifetime, so it’s all about the usual reality TV show tropes of tears and drama and backstabbing. I’m not particularly high-minded, but I don’t watch that stuff.

        So this was the first PR I’d watched since maybe the 3rd or 4th season. The judges went from ragging on the contestants for being too commercial and not creating fashion, to rewarding Gretchen because her clothes WERE commercial (and ugly).

        So, nope, I’m not watching it anymore either. I wanted to see a show about fashion talent, not another Real Housewives redux. I do have a couple of MIchael Kors things (one’s a coat, which I’ll have to keep, out of necessity), but I won’t be buying anything of his again either.

    • nodnarb

      Get a grip, Mary! It’s just a TV contest.

      • A TV Contest…

        A TV contest, where the worst person is rewarded, is an awful one. And I won’t reward the TV contest/show/producers/advertisers/judges with the ways that are in my power. I am displeased – and I only have a few methods to show my malcontent: reducing viewership of said show, and not giving money to the judges who rewarded the worst person.

      • nodnarb

        I actually thought the people who watched Project Runway were a tad more mature than the average American Idol fan. Thanks for proving me wrong.

      • A TV Contest…

        Anytime. I watched part of one season (the Clay Aiken one) of American Idol and hated it – if that helps gather evidence in your debunking.

      • Brandon’s a douche

        Yo, ‘narb. What’s your damage? Has anyone contributed anything to these boards that you have ever once actually agreed with? You are condescending, argumentative, finger-waggy and just generally disagreeable.

        You’ve already crafted everyone else’s rebuttal in your own post: “it’s just a TV contest.”

        The POINT – pay attention, please – that longtime fans (the ones who say they’ll never watch again, one of which I happen to consider myself) of PR have been trying to make is that this show has always been more than just that. It’s people with dreams and actual skills and talents who are willing to put it out there and WORK for it. They’re not “actors slash models,” and hey, some of them are actually over the age of 22 – imagine that!

        Loyal fans who have been jerked around these past few seasons feel betrayed by the slow deterioration of a once-great show. And regardless of your opinion, we are entitled to feel that way.

      • nodnarb

        Oh, you’re definitely entitled to feel that way. But you’re still an immature and pathetic loser. I assure you I don’t feel remotely degraded by someone who gets that worked up over a silly TV show. I mean, honestly, you people are just as bad as Adam Lambert fantards who freaked out when he didn’t win Idol. How sad for you.

      • Yep, still a douche

        I’m still struggling to figure out what American Idol has to do with this, other than serving as yet another thing upon which you can seize to make yourself feel superior to others. You quite regularly get “worked up” into knicker-twisting fits over pretty much every article on this site, yet you appear to derive such glee from in measuring and pointing out this quality in others. If disagreeing with you makes me an “immature and pathetic loser,” rest assured I can live with that.

      • nodnarb

        Sweetheart, hate to break it to you, but I AM superior to the people like you threatening to boycott a TV show because your favorite contestant didn’t win. That’s lame. Enjoy being a pathetic loser… you seem to excel at it.

      • stevenjaba

        Ignore nodnarb guys. Everything he/she’s saying is belied by the fact that he/she is taking time to argue with people on a comment board about a TV contest. Probably a troll.

      • nodnarb

        Good grief, the people here just get stupider and stupider! Um, everyone on this comment board is taking time to argue about a TV show, so by your 4th grade logic, everyone is a troll. Were you dropped on your head as a child, or does that sort of lunacy occur over time?

      • Jamie

        My decision to not watch PR has nothing to do with maturity – it has to do with taste. I have been questioning the taste of Michael Kors and Nina Garcia for the past 4 seasons, and for me this season was the final straw. Why invest time in a show that your end up not agreeing with 90% of the time? Maybe for some people that’s OK, but for me I’d rather spend my time at home away from work watching something that brings me pleasure. Plus, I HATED the 90 minute show. There was not 1 week that went by where I didn’t fall asleep during the runway show at least once. So for me it doesn’t come down to “I hate Gretchem – how DARE they!” it’s about how I spend my time at home. During all of the hoopla about Americal Idol changing judges I said time and time again that the show that needs to change their judges is PR. In fact, I was one of the few that liked the LA Season for that reason – less Michael and Nina was a GREAT thing for me.

      • nodnarb

        That’s fair, Jamie. The whole boycotting the show, Michael Kors, Marie Claire, etc, temper tantrum that some people are having seems extreme to me. But if you quit watching because you’re not enjoying it anymore, that’s understandable. I’m not really that affected by who wins, so I still enjoy watching it even though the person I wanted to win didn’t.

      • Anne

        That’s just great trying to insult someone for reacting passionately to a T.V. show. I think its okay to be indigant that the producers, or judges, disappointed us. You, however, are evidently spending way too many hours on the internet, responding to these comments. You are the one who is immature.

      • nodnarb

        Considering I work for an internet company, I agree … I do spend way too many hours on here!

      • DebraD

        Who’s Mary? and, it’s not just a TV show..these are peoples’ livelihoods we are talking about, the fulfilling of their hopes and dreams. It seems that most of these designers are low on money, and the $100,000′ year of management, etc, goes a long way toward fulfilling their dreams of being a fashion designer.

    • Tarc

      All this season did was to underscore that the winner had nothing to do with fashion, and hence I will have nothing to do with the show from now on.

    • Rudewaitress

      If it was a 2-2 tie, Tim should have been the deciding vote. Gwretched only won because she was a woman. Too many men have won in the past. It’s Lifetime, after all. She should have come in fourth…hands down. So looking forward to those sexy diaper shorts on all those Lady Gaga’s grandmother. Will she find them at Penney’s, Sears or Big Lots?

      • Surya

        My hope is that Gretch the Wretch will be forced to work with Naomi Campbell as her model. That should be a good start for her punishment for ripping off the title with her phony act. With the money she has left after she’s drummed out of the business, maybe she could get that overbite fixed and stop annoying the people who have the misfortune of running into her at Fashion Bug.

      • mike

        By far the funniest and well said comment here, thank you

    • caroline

      this is kind of an extreme response…..you all need to get lives.

      • Morgaine

        If you care so little about it, why are you posting here?

        Obviously, we do feel strongly about it, as do about 98% of the posts I’ve read, on many message boards, about PR S8.

        So it looks like you are in the minority.

        Again, why are you posting here?

    • NinaKnowsNada

      How long before we see Gretchen’s Granny Diaper Short Shorts being hawked on QVC? Yes, Nina, you know fashion. About as much as Michael knows hockey. Both of these bores need to go next season to make the show more interesting. It’s become a bore with the same old critiques and drab designs. Try kicking up the skill level a notch or three. And how about a few less queens and a few more hotties? Make it worth my time and the sponsors’ money!!

    • ladoris blake

      I think this was a tragedy just like Gretchen clothing. I think they just wanted a female winner. First of all she should have never made it to the finale. Mondo is the clear winner and everyone knows that. I have followed Project Runway since the beginning but if the show is not going to based on talent I wont be viewing it any longer

    • jml

      I say a boycott of Marie Claire and Micheal Korrs for the Holiday Season! Happy Holidays, Mondo should have won!

    • Marin

      I agree. I am done.

    • HRW

      I so agree with you. I will never watch Project Runway again and it used to be my favorite show. If we must have reality TV, let it be real and not something manipulated by the producers.

    • Tony Beetes

      Cougarwear wins!
      Message to Nina: cougar is as cougar does.
      Message to Michael: Mondo is the Andy Warhol of fashion, I can see why his bold, new designs make you feel inadequate, as your styles are mostly yesterday’s news.
      Heidi: get new judges, or lose a lot of viewers.

    • susypatrincof

      Don’t be ridiculous. It’s a TV SHOW!!!!!!!!!!

    • Chelsea

      It’s funny to read this article over a year later. You claim Mondo was fashion-forward, but looking at the final collections of all the final three PR contestants, Mondo’s looks the worst by far – like a well created Hot Topic collection. Gretchen’s looks superior and still current.

  • karen

    He was supposed to be mentor and teacher to them all and to talk this way is classless and rude regardless of outcome. Maybe he’s been doing this too long.

    • Organic Canfield

      I hear what you’re saying, Karen, but the season is over – what he says now isn’t going to affect the outcome.

      • karen

        I’ve been a teacher for years and I’ve had some difficult students but still wouldn’t gossip in such a nasty and public way. He stood by her and said so many nice things to her face at the show, etc and then gets up when she’s not around and takes really cheap shots? I don’t even like Gretchen (love Mondo) but I find the whole thing beneath a man of his vocation and experience.

      • Jill

        tim has never really been a fan of gretchen’s… did you see the group challenge when they all had to make a fashion line? he blatantly told everyone how disappointed he was that they let gretchen bully them into making hideous clothing.
        mondo really should have one. not only were his designs great but he also truly put himself out there. i mean he admitted that he was HIV positive! you think that the producers/judges would appreciate that but no… stupid nina and michael, they’re getting kind of old anyway.

      • Tarc

        Gretchen wasn’t Tim’s student – he’s just the host-advisor of a TV show.

      • DiDyouListen

        I disagree! TG did not say anything that was not already know about Gretchin or Mondo. So to imply he was gossiping or being rude is off the mark. As for what he was saying about Heidi & the others, it is very clear he was joking and says he voiced the same to Heidi. Now Gretchin’s behavior & comments toward TG & others were rude & horrible

    • jmcg

      What’s so classless about voicing his opinion about the outcome? The great thing about Tim is he is always straightforward-he will tell you what he thinks.

      • KC

        Exactly! Love Tim!!!

      • madeleine

        yes! Love Tim Gunn! Mondo was robbed.

    • Katja

      Karen, I kind of agree in that I think it actually seems a bit unprofessional for him to do this because it comes across as a bit gossipy. On the other hand, he has always been very honest with his opinions. I think he liked Gretchen’s collection all right, I just think he thought Mondo’s deserved the win. Gretchen has discussed her being nice to other designers while b*tching about their designs behind their backs (kind of like Tim being nice to her while saying she shouldn’t have won to other people) – she said that it’s nothing personal to these other people, she just doesn’t like their designs and it’s subjective and all that. I think she should be able to see that Tim’s comments are similar. He likes Gretchen, he was proud of her (as he is proud of all of them at Fashion Week), but he personally thought Mondo deserved to win. Just because he used to be the mentor to these full-grown adults doesn’t mean he has to coddle them, especially now that it’s all over.

      • RaRa

        I think Tim understands that the fans feel strongly about the show and about what happened. He probably felt that the fans deserved at least to hear his opinion. He has always been very honest [with us] about how he feels, good or bad.

    • Shellie

      I disagree. He never said “Gretchen’s stuff is crap, she’s a hack” he was just explaining his support for another designer. Just because he said Nina and Micheal Kors were “smoking crap” (which they were) wasn’t saying much against Gretchen, just more on how absolutely FABULOUS Mondo was. He blew all of them out of the water. I love Tim & his insight.

    • Tarc

      And he was – during the show. And telling the truth is also a virtue, and it defines classy to be truthful *and* fulfilll your obligations.

      • Gabby

        Telling the truth with class is a virtue, and it is sorely lacking in society at large. That is why Tim is so special

    • Janell

      Gwetchen was a bully and Tim was right to call her out in the early episode. Her side-kick “Ivy” was just as bad and I only wish he said something to that rag!

    • Ana

      Tim’s always been like this. He didn’t get along with Kenley, Vincent and bunch of other people. Besides I don’t think Tim actually dislikes Gretchen. In this clip, he’s really bad-mouthing the judges. All he really said was that he didn’t like Gretchen’s collection and he hated the judging all season.

      • MsDaisy

        Does anyone get along with Kenley? Even her cat hates her, especially after she threw it at her boyfriend.

      • Morgaine

        There is a difference between a contestant being an a$$hat and a designer being an a$$hat AND recruiting other designers to target one designer, who has done nothing to deserve it, for scapegoating/ bullying.

        With the two suicides by teen boys so recently occurring, it raises the heinousity rating for the acts of Gretchen and her lynch mob.

        Indeed, PR workroom is a very isolating environment, even without the scapegoating. Everyone is without their normal support group, and scapegoating in that context can have very bad results.

        PR should have booted Gretchen when it started. Instead, they let it continue until Mondo stood up for the victim. If anything would have happened, it would have been the end of PR and anyone associated with it, as well as the beginning of several huge lawsuits.

    • Caljit

      What’s clear in this video and in Tim’s earlier vlogs is that he is as frustrated with the judges this season as so many of us viewers. Tim is not a person who is afraid to speak his mind, and he is a paragon of integrity.

    • Dominic

      Karen, these aren’t children, they’re adults! And they’re not students, they’re contestants on a reality show. They let Wretchen push them around and Tim, quite rightly, told them all to grow a pair. Which few of them did. Tim is one of the only ones who emerged from this season without looking like a poopy-head.

  • steph

    i love him.

  • Emily

    I like Gretchen and her designs and I’m glad she won. I think that many male designers have come on the show and acted just like her and people still can respect their work. But for some reason when a women acts the same way her entire being becomes terrible and loathesome. What she said in the runion is true, at work when a man is vocal and sharp it’s accepted, when a woman does it she is a bitch, or touchy, or catty. It’s not conscious sexism but for some reason it still exists. Just look at the way Santino acted when he was on the show. Did people hate him this much?

    • Jesus Christ, I am so sick of the sexism card being played. Gretchen acted atrociously during the entire season and that is not okay. At all. Regardless of gender. Have you not watched more PR than this season because people like Santino and Jeffrey (for example) have both acted awfully and consistently got called on it? How about you save the sexism talk for actually important things and not a reality show result?

      • Emily

        Yes they’ve gotten called on it but did people HATE them with this much passion. No.

      • Gabby

        Santino and Jeffrey were not hated half as much as Gretchen. People were always defending Jeffrey’s vileness, esp. on Project Runway blogs; i’d say it was 50/50

      • K. Harker

        Maybe it’s just me, but I detested Jeffrey, much more than Gretchen (she’s a B, you bet, but at least she didn’t make someone’s mother CRY!!). I’m a feminist, but thought Gretchen pulling that card out was weak sauce. Yes, maybe en mass, people disliked her more than other villains in the past such as Jeffrey or Santino (again, not me; I thought those guys were d-bags), but it doesn’t excuse her on-set behaviour. They can’t give you the b*tch edit if you don’t give them material. There are likely *some* sexist things going on in the audience’s reaction to her, but Gretchen can hardly blame her bad behaviour on that. It was a lame excuse.

      • TM

        I agree with K. Harker. I’m a feminist too, and I was annoyed at Gretchen calling sexism here. Sure, some audience reaction may be harsher than if she were a man, but plenty of us who are aware of such things are reacting to how she behaved on the show. There’s a difference between getting crap for being outspoken and getting crap for being a jerk.

      • Caljit

        It is also important to note that Santino and Jeffrey were clearly and infinitely more creative and talented than Gretchen, regardless of personality or gender. The viewers who recognize and react to Gretchen’s limited abilities are not sexist, as plenty of us ackowledge real talent from the many female designers that have been finalists and winners in past seasons. The examples are too numerous to mention.

      • Liz in CA

        On the contrary, I loved to despise Santino. He was savvy, knew he was being cast as the ‘cad’ or villain, and played it to the hilt. He did it right.

    • Dorothy

      please…when the guys acted like Gretchen we didn’t like them either. Enough of the sexism b.s. Gretchen was a bully and a backstabber. That’s gross by any standard and by any sex.

    • Janell

      Gwetchen is the smart girl in H.S. who thought she was better than everyone else. It is what came across and no amount of editing could have made her look like someone you’d root for. She redeemed herself a little in later episodes, but she still came off as know-it-all. But, hey, she won the money! I wonder how far her career will go with those boho brown designs.

      • Wanda

        Gretchen is (and was) truly skilled and talented. She definitely deserved to be a contender; I can’t decide who wins, so it is what it is. It’s good enough for me that two industry leaders strongly supported her, even though I think they were wrong, well, whatever.

        Yep, she is a narcissist, but that isn’t a reason for her to lose. Mondo had his ego-centric moments himself.

        In short, I think Gretchen and Mondo were well deserving. I wish Valerie made it to the finals too, because I think she had the skill and artistry to make it happen. Although Andy had his moments, I was surprised to see him in the finals – I thought Michael C’s collection was considerably more deserving.

    • Katja

      Haha, Emily, I absolutely LOATHED Santino and Jeffrey in their season because they were such a-holes. It’s not the strong-women-are-seen-as-b*tches thing. She was a bizarre specimen of oblivious tactlessness and ugly designs.

    • AKP

      Who cares about her attitude? She made such ugly, unflattering clothes. Her win is still baffling me.

      • Dahlia

        Exactly! How the heck are silk diapers dyed poo/puke-brown considered ready to wear?

      • Dominic

        Agreed. Forget how she acted – Wretchen made horrible, boring clothes – ‘sad clothes for anorexics’ clothes as we dubbed them in our house. She’s going nowhere in fashion.

    • yayforfreethings

      Gretchen?

    • Natalie

      Yes.

    • juju

      Santino. Didn’t. Win.

      • Liz in CA

        And yet has his own show now with Austin. That, is ‘winning.’ Would you watch a show with Gretchen in it? I’d throw my TV out the window.

    • merilee

      Emily, from what I recall with Jeffrey and Santino, they just acted like big jerks to everyone. Gretchen and Ivy seemed like the leaders of the “I hate and let’s bully Michael Costello” club. Then they got the younger designers on board as well. That’s seems so much more hateful than anything Jeffrey or Santino did. And also the group challenge where she contradicted herself and blamed Michael after she had them all promise not to blame anyone. It has nothing to do with being a woman, everything to do with being a mean hateful person. Getting everyone to gang up on one particular person is so much worse than just being a general jerk to everyone.

      • Jenks

        Totally agree. Santino and Jeffrey were not bullies like Ivy or wildly narcissistic like Gretchen. They were just loud-mouth jerks and Santino was actully sort of fun to watch, in a love-to-hate-him sort of way. (Jeffrey, not so much.) The big difference is the bullying nature of what Gretchen and Ivy did to Michael C. The reaction people had to those two had everything to do with their hateful attitudes and actions and nothing to do with their being women.

      • TM

        Jeffrey was a bully to (forgetting her name)’s Mom. I wasn’t upset by his win since his final collection was so strong. That’s why Gretchen’s win bugged. I didn’t like Irina, but I liked her work. Big difference.

    • Morgaine

      Sweet Jesus, Shepherd of Judea! How weak are you if you must stoop to playing the misogynist card where it clearly doesn’t apply.

      The decision made was not based on who had the best prospect of being a top designer with a sustained career, but on other criteria.

      It is clear MK and NG were very angry at Mondo at the last judging, and it had to do with Mondo refusing to make the changes they ordered him to make on his final runway collection. Gretchen, of course, not having faith in her own vision of fashion design, immediately caved and did exactly what MK and NG ordered her to do.

      PR viewers are basically addicts. We would merit our own 12-Step group, except it’s so hard to find someone to run it who is NOT an addict.

      So, when such a large majority of PR viewers say they are finished with PR and will never buy MarieClaire again, that is a very serious thing, for both MarieClaire and PR.

    • Eric Carter

      But your all forgetting the one person that was even worst then Gretchen. Ivy, that dragon lady tried her best to get Mioheal put off the show. Even after she was off the show.She swore her work was so good and it was horrible. She was the resl Dragon lady of the show. Gretchen was just a bitch.

  • Rock ‘n Roll Ghost

    Love Tim Gunn and he’s right on the money. I think what it came down to is this: yes, Jessica Simpson’s vote had some leverage, but ultimately, it’s 3 people voting and Heidi was out-voted 2 to 1. It’s a real shame and I think they voted against Mondo for not listening to them. Catty bitches that they are.

    • Keli

      Truly, if Jessica’s vote was not going to be considered, they should NOT have chosen her for guest judge for the finale. That was ridiculous. They should have chosen someone whom they respect as a designer. Then it would have been a true tie and we might have had a better outcome.

  • Ashley

    This is why I love Tim Gunn!

  • Iakovos

    Well… agree or not, RUNWAY followers… it is a reality competition show and that’s all it is. A RUNWAY winner is not the arbiter of fashion’s future much less leader of the free world. I think all three finalists were talented and surely will enjoy benefits from the experience. Sometimes the one loved most or the one does the most work is secondbest. And sometimes it is not the winner who gets the spoils in the end.

  • Gunn needs REAL Fashion Show

    Tim must be sick.. he cares about all of them all this did was tarnish the show and create uneeded hate mail for Gretchen who only did her best I feel for her to see the hate that really belongs with MK and Nina G

    • Cinders

      I am sorry but did you miss all of Gretchen’s bitchy comments about the other designs throughout the entire run of the show. That is also part of the reason why the audience did not like her. It was not just about the clothes but her obnoxious personality.

      • Cinders

        *designers

      • sl

        no. its about the ugly clothes.

      • umbrella

        I remember Tim making a comment earlier in the season about a designer that was going around to the others giving advice as if she were Tim. I thought it was Gretchen.
        Even early in the season, Ifelt that they were favoring her for some reason, making a big fuss over designs that were too simple.

      • Liz in CA

        And a CAMERA HOG! Jeez, she made sure she inserted herself narcisstically into practically EVERY shot and situation, even when it had nothing to do with her. And remember when she met with her mom? Everyone else was like following dreams and family love and support. Her mom? “You got the magazine spread. That’s what we wanted.’ Go watch it again. Disgusting. Does anyone BELIEVE her constantly-changing sick-family-member, last-tank-of-gas-to-get-here Bwahbulancing?

    • Morgaine

      Oh, give it a rest.

      It was Gretchen who:

      a) Made dishwater-grey, hand-knit granny-panties in her collection–in 3 looks. Let’s not forget the huge brown load-ed diaper look, either.

      b) Who recruited other designers for scapegoating of MichaelC, which might have ended up very badly if Mondo hadn’t publicly said that, after working with MC, he learned that all of the krap is just heresay and not true, thus ending the scapegoating.

      c) Used the most underhanded tactics to advance in the competition. It wasn’t just scapegoating MC to drive him from the competition. She also made it a point to target the vulnerable designer in each challenge, advising them to make changes on their garment that–surprise!–made the designer get kicked off the show. There were 3 designers who did not take her advice: Mondo, MichaelC and Andy. The fact that they, with Gretchen, were the Final Four is not a coincidence.

  • Trisha

    I will never watch another season of this show. Michael C shouldn’t have been eliminated & Mondo should have won. Gretchen’s prints were ugly & boring and her designs were average.

    • Deanna

      I was ready to give up on the show halfway through the season, but continued because I liked Mondo. The last three seasons it has seemed like a chore to watch the show and I really think that all this season was high drama and boring clothes.

  • Mary

    my eyes are bad and i’m watching this as small as possible since i’m at work… what was the sly gesture?

    • Katja

      I didn’t see one either, honestly. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place somehow?

    • KWo

      I’m not sure either-did he use his middle finger to wipe his eyes?

    • Mo

      At the very end, he makes like he’s smoking a doobie. Or maybe it’s crack, since he had said that this season it looked like the judges were smoking crack. But since (luckily) I have never seen anyone smoke crack, I don’t know what that looks like. I know there’s a difference between the way a cigarette and a joint are held (and why that is, I don’t know) but I always thought crack was smoked with a pipe. What do I know (again, luckily.)

    • Morgaine

      He did a one-finger salute at the end of that comment.

  • jmcg

    I Love Tim! He’s absolutely right about the judges smoking crack. I try not to think about it cuz it just pisses me off that Wretched won this thing. This just proves the point that its time for new blood with fresh eyes in the judges chairs.

    • Morgaine

      Bravo’s Fashion Show sounds very interesting, and vastly improved from its first season. I recorded it last night, and will watch it tonight. The judges sound so much better than the two Ooompa-Loompa-Orange twins on PR.

  • SAM

    I would like to point out to Karen that Tim Gunn always was direct with the contestants about his opinions, which is why he is so fabulous. I’m not going to be watching the show anymore but it is due to the show being too long and a relatively uninteresting season except for the outcome. With the exception of Mondo, I was not impressed with the creativity and talent of this season’s contestants. I’m not boycotting Michael Kors’ clothes or Marie Claire but that’s because I didn’t buy them anyway, not because I disagreed with the judge’s opinions.

    • karen

      Direct is a critique to your face what he did is a cheap shot behind her back. Sorry but I find that very different.

      • jmcg

        Did you even look at the video? Tim didn’t take any cheap shots at Gretchen; if anything he took a shot at the judges by saying they smoked crack. Is that you Gretchen?

      • SAM

        Karen, we don’t know if Gretchen and Tim Gunn talked about the outcome but after watching him all of these years, I think it’s pretty clear that he wouldn’t say anything behind her back that he wouldn’t say to her face. Besides, jmcg is right – he was talking about how Heidi Klum and he disagreed with Michael Kors and Nina Garcia. Mr. Gunn is entitled to his opinion, just as Ms. Klum, Ms. Garcia, Mr. Kors, you, and I are entitled to expressing ours.

      • Morgaine

        It is not “back-stabbing” when Tim Gunn speaks at a public event where the focus is fashion and, indeed, with the majority of the attendees being very outraged PR fans.

        A “cheap shot” is not what Tim did: relating the events as he saw them.

        The criticisms of PR, MarieClaire and Gretchen are because of the actions of PR, MarieCLaire and Gretchen.

        If you have issues with what Tim is saying about Gretchen and/or PR, you might want to talk to THEM about it, since they themselves are the sources of the actions which Tim speaks of.

  • SAM

    Oops. I meant to write “judges’ opinions,” not “judge’s opinions.”

  • AT

    <3 Tim, always and forever. Leave that sinking ship, Mr. Gunn!

  • LaLa

    Go Time Gunn. Love this man. You make an interesting point that they were swayed by producers to pick a winner that would appeal to the Lifetime crowd. There is a PR crowd that aren’t regular Lifetime watchers. I think the PR crowd is shrinking dramatically after this season.

    • Katja

      I have to say, I think all the talk about Lifetime wanting a female winner because Lifetime is a female-oriented channel is total conspiracy theory BS. I couldn’t swear to this, of course, as I’m not a Lifetime exec…but the idea just sounds too absurd to me.

      • Well, the three winners since they’ve changed to Lifetime have been a 20-something female, a 40-something dad whose family backstory was pretty prominent, and a 40-something struggling female. They’re all kind of “appropriate” winners for the channel.

      • Katja

        @ … – I just don’t think you can use Irina and Seth Aaron as examples because they were the clear winners in their seasons. I didn’t like Irina, but I thought she deserved to win and that all three of those ladies deserved to be at fashion week based on their designs rather than their ovaries. And Seth Aaron just blew Mila and Emilio (whose colors were atrocious) out of the water. They’d have had to push Mila into winning that season for me to believe it’s some conspiracy.

      • Morgaine

        The designers who many PR fans have considered vile (Jeffrey Sebilia, Wendy Pepper, and Kenlee) weren’t a problem for me.

        Kenlee was pathetic–I mean that: really pathetic. But, lord, was she talented at what she did. She was so emotionally brittle, however, she just couldn’t work well in the pressure-cooker PR workroom environment.

        I actually liked Wendy Pepper because she stood up to the fake-sweey-face Kirasan,who turned out to be a fraud and cheater. I didn’t see any of Wendy’s actions to be so objectable. Indeed, like Jeffrey, she would not bend over and kiss the ring of the very transparent and manipulative fan favorites (Laura Bennet, in Jeffrey’s case).

        The mom Jeffrey is supposed to have “made cry” came into the workroom with an agenda. She made her own experience at that challenge. The mom was as manipulative as her daughter (Angela) was, and as ready to climb on the pity cross at the drop of a hat. Jeffrey could have handled it better than he did, Angela’s mom she was going to climb on the cross to make him look bad no matter what he did.

        I really liked Jeffrey Sebilia, both his designs and him as a person (at least, what we saw on PR).

        In fact, this is the first season I can remember when I actually liked the fan favorite, genuiely believed the fan favorite should win, and was upset when the fan favorite didn’t win.

    • Tarc

      Onviously the decisoin wasn’t about fashion. Ten of the designers presented, and Gretchen’s work was flat out worst of the ten.

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