Former 'Biggest Loser' contestant claims show is 'dangerous'; NBC issues response

Kai-Biggest-Loser_320.jpg Image Credit: NBC About twice a year, we tune into the latest season of The Biggest Loser and watch in admiration and awe as a dozen or so contestants quickly shed pound after pound from their bodies, until they’re left looking like healthy, happy individuals. But, if former contestant Kai Hibbard is to be believed, oftentimes Biggest Loser graduates are anything but.

The season 3 contestant — who lost 118 pounds on the show — appeared on CBS’ The Early Show this morning to discuss her claim that the NBC show is hurting its contestants, and promoting an unhealthy body image. (See the video embedded after the jump.) Beginning her interview by voicing appreciation for being part of something that has inspired people to lose weight, Hibbard went on to accuse Biggest Loser of supporting a “myth that’s dangerous,” and claims the show stretches the truth when it comes to its shooting schedule: “I have people that come up to me and talk to me and ask me why they can’t lose 12 pounds in a week when I did. It didn’t happen. It’s TV…a week is not a week in TV.” (Hibbard also discussed dehydration, which is used to affect the outcome on the scales, something Biggest Loser fans are already fairly knowledgeable about.)

The former contestant also went on to explain how Biggest Loser affected her own health: Hibbard says she suffered from an eating disorder after shooting wrapped, which only ended after her husband and friends staged an intervention when they saw her substitute coffee for meals, and began to notice her hair falling out. “I left with a very poor mental body image,” she said on the Early Show. “I found myself loathing what I looked like the more weight that I dropped because of the pressure on me.” What’s more, Hibbard claims at least six former contestants from seasons after hers have approached her to complain about their own unhealthy experiences.

When asked to comment, NBC issued the following statement to EW: “Contestants on The Biggest Loser are closely monitored and medically supervised. The consistent health transformations of over 200 contestants through nine seasons of the program speak for themselves.” Of course, Biggest Loser is not new to controversy — nearly every season, the show comes under fire from viewers and health professionals alleging the show’s lose-weight-fast format is unhealthy for its cast members, especially since the show seems intent on adding bigger and bigger cast members with each new season. (Just see the latest Biggest Loser winner, Mike Ventrella, the heaviest contestant to ever enter the ranch.) But now that a former contestant is alleging the show is dangerous, is it easier to believe?

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  • cubby

    Since NBC’s statement didn’t dispute anything she said, I tend to believe her.

    • ana

      Oh come on. A reality show that distorts reality. Yeppers, that’s new and big news. Gosh golly gee, I can’t believe this! Would they actually edit the show to show a skewed reality? Would a contestant actually make stuff up for attention? Tell me it ain’t so!!!
      Seriously, I’m always amazed at the amount of people who are shocked, SHOCKED mind you to find out that reality shows don’t exactly show reality. It’s just more proof that PT Barnum was right: there IS a sucker born every minute, and apparently they all watch reality shows.

      • jack

        But ana, this isn’t like reality shows where the goal is to screw everyone over and win money. NBC likes to claim this is practically a public service, well gosh golly gee, maybe they should be held to that standard if that’s how they want to present themselves. I’m always AMAZED and SHOCKED how people like you crawl out of the woodwork with posts like this when a large organization is accused of wrong doing. Doomby, doodly dee, could it be that you’re an NBC intern? Gooby, gobby willickers no.

      • Ames

        Jack, you’re hilarious. And totally correct. People watch the show thinking they are getting good nutrition and exercise advice. Then are crushed when they don’t lose weight as quickly. Should they know better? Sure, I guess. But who’s telling them losing one pound a week is great/normal?

      • Question

        What happened to Kim the old trainer on the earlier seasons? Why did they get rid of her? Was it bc she wasn’t as an effective trainer?

    • Linda K

      I would also believe that individuals that subject themselves lose weight on TV also opens themselves up to underlying issues. Psychology is your friend. Fame seeker beware of your real motives

      • levelheaded

        We are a culture of fame seekers. Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, YouTube, we are contstantly finding new ways to broadcast ourselves.

  • Madd

    I don’t watch this show, but I’ve heard very similar critiques of it. Also, with all of those people wanting to sue that Jillian trainer over some diet pill she endorsed, it all sounds pretty sketchy.

  • YES!!!

    NBC = shifty scumbags

    • bgordon

      I agree wholeheartedly! I worked for NBC Universal and a) it;s such a hypocritical show given the number of overweight people working there. We even had an office floor “NBC Biggest Loser” challenge, and b) NBC has a history of glossing over the facts both to the public and internally. The stories one could tell.

      I think it’s time for a major change in programming and executives at that failed wh*re-house

  • Sara

    I’m sure the concern trolls are going to come out and talk about how, well, the contestants are losing weight and surely that’s better than being fat, regardless of the methods used. Of course, that’s just not true – the goal of everyone, skinny or fat, should be health, not weighing a certain size. Promoting these dangerous weight-loss strategies are bad for the contestants, who can suffer long-term consequences and often gain the weight back (since, uh, it’s not normal to lose that much that fast and you’re not going to maintain it when you go back to living you’re life), and it’s bad for viewers who think they should be able to lose weight that fast if they just exercise and eat less. This show is awful.

    • Dan

      I believe her. I have been morbidly obese my entire life, and when I was in high school, I played football. Due to our conditioning and triple practice schedules, I was able to run one to two miles a day after a full practice, in my full uniform, and then do 200 sit-ups. At that point I weighed 285, and no one would have said I looked “muscular”, but I was in damn good shape. There’s a very unhealthy mentality in society nowadays that skinny equals fit, and it just doesn’t. During my second year, I was beating 115 lb kids at sprints. They couldn’t do warm-up exercises without labored breathing, while I made it halfway through practice without breaking a sweat. And honestly, I’m not saying it to brag, because I wasn’t any kind of fitness guru or anything. But I was healthy, and fat.

      • Lorie

        I am with you Dan! At my smallest I was 150 lbs, size 9 and knew I was under “my” ideal weight. I have even hit 200, but could out do any of my friends that were “skinny” when it came to workouts or real work (hard outside labor) I think it is sad how this society is so eat up with being sickeningly skinny. Real women have curves.

      • musica1

        I’m sure that there are exceptions, but most overweight people are not healthy. Excess weight increases a person’s risk for all kinds of health problems, and the more weight you have the higher the risk. So to say to overweight people, “Be happy with your body” is like telling them to accept being less than they could be physically speaking. And in case you’re wondering, I am overweight, and I am far from being in good physical condition.

      • ries

        dan, i think you are misinformed. while you probably were healthy in terms of cardio-vascular health, carrying that extra weight is a health problem as musica1 indicated. you are more prone to strokes or heart-disease, high blood pressure, as well as joint and bone problems later in life. so in a sense, skinnier does typically mean healthier, but obviously there is a limit. men and women both need to maintain a certain amount of fat to stay healthy, but very few u.s. citizens fall into that healthy range.

      • What?

        Beleive here all you want. People who go on there know what they are getting into and they are free to leave at any time. SHE is just NOW coming forward with this? Whatever, I don’t tend to believe someone who has an ax to grind nor anyone who is looking to get $ for their efforts. Nope, she is 5 seasons or 5 years too late!!!!

    • Concern Troll

      The people who come on the show are dangerously overweight, have bad eating habits, and do almost no exercise. I can’t believe that what they go through on the show can be any worse – what’s worse than “5 years away from death”? The “dangerous” strategies they are promoting: exercise and eating less fat and sugar. Of course, you van take anything to an unhealthy extreme – NBC can’t control everything the contestants do on their own. Like, this woman Kai Hibberd substituted coffee for meals — the show specifically says that kind of stuff is bad. They directly tell people NOT to do that. I mean, come on, people need to take a bit of the task on themselves, they can’t expect the show’s trainers to go home and live with them to make sure they don’t do something dumb.

      • levelheaded

        Almost all of you need to check out junkfoodscience dot blogspot dot com.

        This myth about fat = unhealthy is making health companies rich. I’m not saying that being fat is healthy, but someone’s healthy weight is very individual. And all these ‘wellness’ programs designed to help people reach a better weight are actually costing us more in healthcare than all the so-called unhealthy fat people.

        Also, as far as strokes and heart attacks are concerned, WHERE you are carrying your weight and your proportions are a better indicator than just your BMI or your total pounds.

        You can actually take a test for your risks of heart disease at the American Heart Assoc website.

        And ‘5 years away from death’. What health professional can say that sincerely? No one can predict your death. But shocking your system into a very unhealthy weight loss pattern is definitely, not BETTER than being fat. It’s just another kind of bad.

      • BlueDahlia

        @Concern — The real concern is that NBC and the show are now putting super-morbidly obese people through this crash diet and exercise course, which is INCREDIBLY more dangerous than being super-morbidly obese. The human body was not meant to lose drastic amounts of weight so quickly. And, while it’s easier to say that what the contestants do after the show is their own fault, the fact is that the show does not promote true nutritional and physical health — they are essentially teaching the contestants how to have an eating disorder.

      • Holly

        anvilheaded, you have a right to your opinions, but unfortunately none of them is backed by any facts. Losing weight and becoming healthy does not cost the system more than people being fat. It just doesn’t. WHERE the people on the show are carrying fat – EVERYWHERE. And who can say that morbidly obese people have a shortened life-span? DOCTORS. That’s who does, on the show. A doctor.

      • levelheaded

        @Holly, the fact that you can not produce any ‘facts’ yourself and that you resort to name calling shows more about your comments than anything.

        That being said, if you want FACTS go to the two websites I mentioned and look into it.

        I am pretty sure the American Heart Association is a respectable source. And WHERE does matter, if you gain more weight in your mid-region it directly affects your heart health. Whereas the proportion from your waist to your hips is an even better indicator.

        And I said ‘wellness’ programs were costing more money not ‘loosing weight and becoming healthy’.

        Geez. I don’t care if you don’t agree with me, but why the hostility and name calling?

  • Nee Nee

    I totally believe her. It makes for great television, but there is nothing that convince me that a person losing that much weight in that amount of time is healthy. I can’t see how it’s possible to do so fast, and maintain one’s health. It’s probably horribly hard on the body’s organs. And the fact that the contestants are disappointed when they only lose 5lbs in a week, is disturbing. Losing 5lbs in a week is a lot for anyone. Still, I can’t help but watch the show.

  • Trazey

    I’m sure that STAYING 100 plus pounds overweight is way more dangerous than how they lose it???

    • kel

      it depends
      you can do serious damage to your body by crash dieting. Being 100 lbs overweight is considered to have an increase in health risks, but there are both studies and anecdotal evidence that indicates that you can be healthy (or unhealthy) at any size. The bigger concern I have is the development of eating disorders, which have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness

      • Holly

        This show is not “crash dieting”. It is exercise and balanced eating. That is not dangerous. These people are NOT healthy when they come on the show – they are on pills, drink a lot, and eat fast food almost every meal. The show makes this clear at the start — nobody on the show is just a “big” person who is otherwise healthy. They are RED ZONE cases.

      • levelheaded

        This is true Kel. People seem to forget that over-eating is also often an eatin disorder. If you’re not addressing the mental illness part of the over-eating and you get someone addicting to loosing weight, you’ve just substituted one mental illness for another. So, not good.

      • levelheaded

        Wow, typos much. ‘eating’ disorder not ‘eatin’. and ‘addicted’ to loosing weight, not ‘addicting’.

      • BlueDahlia

        @Holly – Are we watching the same show? Yes, they are not healthy when they come onto the show, but a healthy diet and a balanced exercise routine will allow a person to lose weight at a more healthful pace. Losing anything more than 2 lbs a week is not good and can weaken your body. This show is turning not just the contestants, but hundreds if not thousands of viewers into anorexics and exercise bulimics.

      • What?

        Holly is right. BlueDahlia you are not! Everyone who goes on that show knows what to expect. That you will work out for 10 hours a day. (they don’t show this) Of course that is not a normal way to lose weight but come on this is a TV show. This show does provide diet tips and workout regimines. I lost over 50 pounds by going online and hooking up with Jillian. It does work and they give great advice. Don’t you all be stupid here. That girl has an ax to grind and she needs money. So yeah of course NOW she is complaining. 5 seasons too late……..

    • Mark

      Wrong. Losing weight to quickly can cause an immediate strain on you heart and can kill you. Being obese may do it slowly, but losing weight too quickly can do it immediately.

      • Holly

        That’s losing weight in unhealthy ways, like starvation diets. This kind of weight loss (ie. exercise and eating right) is not dangerous.

      • reilly

        Holly, unless you are part of the show, you do not know exactly what the contestants are eating and their exact exercise schedule, so you’re just believing what the producers are showing you. I think one of the points the former contestant Kai is trying to make is the discrepancy in time, and that people are not really losing weight that quickly, that what they show as a week is really longer.

      • Jenny

        The contestants go through a lot of testing to make sure they are okay to be on BL. NBC can’t risk someone dropping dead on their show. The trainers get upset with contestants that don’t stick to their calories and eat much less. They don’t promote crash dieting AT ALL.

      • V

        Anorexia nervosa often manifests not just through undereating, but also through over-exercising. I paid attention in health class.

    • who cares

      being morbidly obese and continuing to sit on the couch and do nothing can’t be better than diet and exercise

    • Sean

      I agree with you. And if you can’t lose that much weight, you won’t.

      I lost 10 a month for 4 months. Went from 192 to 154 (I’m a 6″ guy). As much as exercising, I quit all fast food and all sugar. Between just those two things I was successful. I still exercise and eat right and I will never stop at a McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell or anywhere that sells that junk. Anyone who eats that will get fat.

  • Uwe

    Maybe she should’ve not gone on the show and had a heart attack at the age of 40 after downing a bacon milkshake.

    • A+ trolling

    • Dave

      Now I can’t stop my desire for a bacon milkshake…

      • JennBell


      • Poppy

        I’d like a bacon donut with my bacon milkshake.

      • sweet666

        sounds pretty good right about now!

      • Sean

        Too bad you don’t know what bacon really tastes like; none of us do. It is so laden with salt we have no idea what it tastes like. I would like a chocolate shake though, but gave them up 14 months ago. I gave them up and 38 pounds also; not a bad trade.

    • Maria

      Bacon milkshake? YUCK!

  • Yes

    I would also say that some people have tendencies for certain addictions, perhaps losing weight brought it out for her and for others too.
    But I do agree that shows like this aren’t the best way to do it. It’s a journey, not a race.

    • Elle

      Even one of the trainers, I think it was Jillian, said she doesn’t like the format of the show and how they make it a contest. I know I have lost 80 pounds twice. The first time, when I was 17, I lost it in 3 months, but it all came back by the end of my first year of college. The second time, when I was 20, I took a year to loose it, I so far I have kept it off for 5 years.

    • levelheaded

      Yes, you are probably right. Before thier addictive personalities were focused on eating food, and after on loosing weight.

      Loosing weight does not = healthy individual. Even if it is diet and exercise, some people start being ridiculously motivated to work-out 4-5 hours a day.

      Sure exercise is great, but not when its the only thing in your life.

  • daisyj

    I believe her; you can even see the things she talks about happening on the show. There’s a constant equating of skinny=good, skinnier=better that isn’t tempered at all by the concept of finding a healthy weight for your body and maintaining it. Fat of any sort is demonized in a way that could make an impression on even a strong-minded person, especially if they were sequestered and subjected to it 24/7 for an extended period.

  • jill

    I think she is just trying to get attention. I believe most former contestants are happy with their outcomes and the show. These contestants give up their work & families to concentrate on becoming healthy. Their full-time jobs are to turn themselves into athletes. There is nothing unhealthy or disturbing about losing 5 pounds in a week when you are morbidly obese. The more weight the contestants lose, the more healthy their bodies. There is no possible way to be healthy when you’re 100 pounds or more overweight. To say that these contestants “are losing too much weight,” or “losing it too fast,” aresimply catch-phrases that our society has adopted so that people who are overweight can feel better about not trying too hard to lose weight. ie: I better not work out today; I don’t want to lose too much weight too fast. Everyone should adopt more of the attitude and lifestyle promoted by “The Biggest Loser.”

    • Amy

      Jillian Michaels?! Is that you?

      • Dan

        Haha, seriously. That’s just patently false. Actually, it’s absurd.

    • Liver

      Ummm, really? I’ve been morbidly obese my whole life, but I’ve also been a swimmer for club teams, highschool, college, etc. I’ve never had high blood pressure, never had high chloesterol. I’m healthy and happy. I’ve also talked with doctors and nutritionist who tell me that losing too much weight too fast is VERY unhealthy. But have fun thinking your opinion is medically sound.

      • Lorie

        Agreed. I have been “over weight” my whole life. I have never had any health issues (and yes I do get check ups) yet I have skinny friends on numerous meds.

      • sweet666

        sure, being overweight isn’t all that bad…unless you love arthritis in your lower extremity joints and early knee replacements. I work in PT and overweight people constantly complain about how bad their knees hurt and they don’t understand why PT doesn’t help them. Well, if they were to lose about 30-40 pounds maybe, just maybe, their knees will stop hurting so much.

      • teresa

        sweet666: I agree with you. I’ve lost 8 pounds so far and my knees feel so much better. I can’t wait to lose the next 42 pounds, my knees will feel like they’re 18 again!

      • Marcy

        Okay, so you have had doctors and such tell you it is unsafe to lose weight quickly – I’m bettint the next line out of their mouth is – so LOSE the weight in a safe manner, because being morbidly obese is a threat to your life, no matter how many swim teams you join. So, have fun kidding yourself into beleiveing otherwise, and calling your very dangerous half truth, “medically sound.”

      • Big Girl

        We need more of us larger sized people to speak up and speak out instead of being bullied by size Nazis. In my 20s I was pencil thin but I wasn’t all that healthy. It wasn’t until I finally gained some weight I began to feel comfortable in my skin, and even though I am definitely overweight/obese at over 200 lbs, I can assure you I can hold my own with the best of ‘em. I ride a bicycle 3.5 miles each way to my job 4 days a week, and I also walk a lot! Fit does NOT equate to thin and health. Over the past 9 years I’ve never missed a day on my job sick but there are gals who are easily 100 lbs who catch every bug that comes down the pike…why? because they’re skinny and malnourishing themselves because they’re so darn afraid of having some meat on their bones, that’s why!

      • Marcy

        You know, Big Girl, that may all be perfectly true, but answer this; how do you feel about how you look? Okay, you can scream away about how it “doesn’t matter,” but, you know it does.

    • reilly

      the contestants on the show are not losing only 5 pounds a week. Some are, but only if it’s a “bad” week. From what I’ve seen, most contestants are losing more than 5 in a week, which isn’t healthy.

  • CiCi217

    Dang where can we get one of those bacon milkshakes!!

    These contestants know what they are getting themselves into when they sign on to the show. Sounds more like someone who didn’t win any $$ prizes trying for one last gasp of promotion. she needs to rmember it is a reality show plan in simple. Regular shows do not apply

    • Ames

      does NBC put up a disclaimer saying “do not do this at home.”? That is the issue she’s speaking to. Letting people who watch know they cannot let what happens on the show affect their own lives.

  • ReeBee

    Kai was always a troublemaker and drama queen on the show, so her behavior and comments don’t surprise me!

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    • Lola

      If you watched Kai’s season, she liked to go out and drink heavily with her friends. You can’t come back home and go back to your old habits and expect to stay the same weight. I’m not saying she did this but subsituting coffee for food to make up for any slip ups is her own issue. These contestants leave the show in much better health than when they arrived – just look at their cholesteral levels and how many of them came off medications they were taking because of their weight. Some people are just never happy… maybe she is one of them.

    • Nicole

      Kai is a troublemaker. I remember her being very outspoken when she got voted off the show. This beyotch loves attention. Y’all.

      • Marcy

        I agree. Evidently she wants more of her 15 minutes.

    • Glory


  • molly

    there is nothing wrong with losing weight (or the occasional bacon milkshake) – do it slowly – at home and not for the sake of tv – those who have to go on tv for losing weight, stop hoarding, doing drug rehab, “interventions” of whatever – are just fame hogs in addition to whatever else is wrong with them – I’m a person doing weight loss – taking ideas of different exercises from biggest loser to vary my workouts -their meal plans – I don’t have jillian yelling at me or the ability to work out for 10 hours a day – have this thing called a job – people it’s not the show that is dangerous – it’s who does the editing and those who don’t understand tv time vs real time.

  • jake

    If you know anything about the TV business, you will certainly realize that the only reason Ms. Hibbard is being given any airtime is because CBS would love to try and discredit one of NBC’s biggest hits. Kai was a problematic drama queen throughout the entire season and now uses her R.N. credentials to claim she knows better than the experts (trainers, nutritionists, doctors). Kai was extremely bitter about losing the competition and coming away with no $$ after all was said and done (I guess her health wasn’t as important to her as $$ was). Anyone who watched this particular season can clearly see that Kai is mentally unstable, thus making her a great reality show contestant. Her greatest achievement was creating drama (and swinging moods at the drop of a hat), and now here she is again doing the same thing. She was the biggest liar and manipulator on her season. Maybe she’s hoping it’s been so long since her season aired that people will forget how she behaved? Check it out on YouTube folks…it’s all there. I mean, if she’s got all the answers then perhaps she should write a book. I have also lost 100+ pounds (and have kept it all off for 20+ years thank you very much) and I am in no way affiliated with The Biggest Loser but I know first hand that they have saved and changed many many lives throughout the course of their 9 U.S. seasons (and countless international versions). It is absolutely reasonable to expect that someone who is 300+ pounds to lose 10+ pounds in a week if they are eating and exercising properly. I lost the exact same type of numbers during my weight loss journey and this was long before TBL even aired. What Ms. Hibbard really needs is a good pharmacologist. And although this is irrelevant to the discussion, how hilarious was her clearly whipped-and-silent husband sitting next to her?! Yeah she needs an intervention alright…y’all just intervened on the wrong issue. It’s unconscionable of Kai to sling mud this way towards people who gave her the opportunity of a lifetime, even though her accusations will surely go no further than this page and the CBS News video archives. LAME.

    • suz

      Yup, that was when Jillian took the season off. Kim was the trainer whole lotta drama.


      • Ashley

        They do nothing but work out and learn how to eat right. When you do nothing else – no work, no kids, nothing else to worry you- of course you can lose that amount of weight. If I were a celebrity in Hollywood with a personal trainer, I would lose that weight. The difference is NBC puts it on tv. I agree with NBC- they are monitored by a doctor and a medical staff. If she took it to unhealthy degrees once she was off the show, that’s on her shoulders. NBC can’t be responsibly because someone heard eat healthy and started an eating disorder.

    • Daniel

      CBS is doing just fine with Survivor and Amazing Race; can you say #1 network? It doesn’t need to trash The Biggest Loser just to hurt NBC. The woman’s interview was well done and she was actually complimentary to some aspects of the show. Her main point is that like all reality shows, there was nothing “real” about it and the show manipulated the episodes to make them more dramatic and exciting to viewers. She just wants people to know that the contestants weren’t losing 10-12 lbs a week because a week on TBL was usually two weeks in real time, and they used dehydration techniques to make the weigh-ins more dramatic. She also made a funny comment about the “haters” who would post comments about her, so she was fully expecting people to react strongly to her allegations.

    • levelheaded

      Okay Jake. I’ll follow your line of thinking. So, NBC obviously took a ‘mentally unstable’ person with health issues, and put her in a reality show where those mental health issues and ‘mood swings’ would be increased.

      Hmmm, I think you just proved her point. NBC is not doing this to ‘make America healthy’. They’re doing it to make money.

      Which is fine, they’re a business. But we need to be able to see through the b.s. that is the “Biggest Loser”. Its entertainment, people SHOULD NOT be trying to live their lives based on it anymore than they should “The Hills” or “The Bacherlorette”. Which is what I got from this article.

  • stacy

    I have watched the biggest loser since the beginning. I have listened to jillian’s radio show and read her books. Never did she say to do anything unhealthy or dangerous to loose weight. I think people look for an excuse for being lazy and poor food choices. When it comes down to it YOU are responsible for your own actions. Deal with it. You should be smart enough to know dehydration is dangerous and if you choose to do it to try and win $ then YOU put yourself in danger. Not a TV show.

    • jake

      Stacy is 100% right…although for the sake of argument, Jillian should probably be left out of the conversation altogether since she didn’t even appear on the season that Kai did. But whatev…stacy hit the nail on the head. Kai blamed everyone other than herself on the show for her failures and she’s back to doing the same thing now. Funny how there’s also no mention of Kai’s past as a binge drinker, which is clearly illustrated on her season of TBL. I mean really.

      • What?

        You are right Jake. I am telling you she needs the $$$ so now she is complaining. Why didn’t she complain back then? She is the dangerous one, not TBL. And you can’t blame Jillian for this, she wasn’t even on that season that Kai was. Kim was. Go on Kai, find someone else to blame your poor life on!!!

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