SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT! A MILLION TIMES I SAY, “SPOILER ALERT!” (Although I hope we can let these three declarations stand in for the rest.) Seriously, I’m sure I really don’t need to be saying this, because you are not stupid people. If you’re reading these words, you watched tonight’s “Happily Ever After” episode of Lost, and so you’re ready to talk and critique and theorize. If you’re reading these words and you didn’t read tonight’s episode… well, you are strange. But we’ll take your eyeballs, anyway. Okay, enough with the preamble: This one was gooooooooood. And downright essential. “Happily Ever After” was the episode we’ve been waiting for all season. At last! Contact! Connection between the Island world and the Sideways world—a close encounter of the Sliding Doors kind. The moment came in ingeniously unexpected form—an ironic reprise of Charlie’s unforgettable sacrificial death inside the Looking Glass. The scene was simultaneously unsettling and exhilarating, and next to Jacob’s allegory of the wine bottle, it stands as the most significant moment of season 6 so far. For Sideways skeptics, I’m guessing the episode either won you over or scared you away for good. Let me more provocative: If you’ve been a Sideways hater, and you remain one after last night’s episode, you may as well call it a wrap on your Lost interest and skip ahead to the rest of your post-Lost life.
For the rest of us, I’m guessing “Happily Ever After” moves into the arena where Best Ever Episodes are debated. I thrilled to see old friends again, including Daniel Fara—err, I mean, Daniel Widmore, Eloise Hawking (sporting a poofy cloud of parachute ball hair and a new symbolically loaded broach), Charlie Pace, and the woman we knew once as Penelope Widmore, though I believe I heard her Sideways iteration identified as Penelope Milton. (As in Paradise Lost author-poet John Milton?) “Happily Ever After” was an episode that will force us to reconsider everything we’ve seen in the Sideways world to date while also directing our attention to the end game of the show, which appears to be some kind of psychic exodus out of Island captivity into the quasi-Canaan of Sidewaysabad. Which souls will make the transmigration? Can some decline the opportunity? Indeed, the most intriguing possibility to come out of “Happily Ever After”—just a smidge more intriguing that the possibility that Charles Widmore could actually be a good guy—is that the castaways might actually have a choice in their fate, and even a choice between happily ever afters. See Juliet? Free will does exist on The Island, after all!
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Finally all the Sideways World haters will zip their mouths.
It’s like in the Sideways world, the very identity of each of these characters, how we define them, has been altered: Sawyer is cop, Daniel being allowed to love music (at the piano as a child) instead of being forced into physics, Locke is not an angry man, Ben is driven more to help people than to achieve power, Desmond was driven by professional success & Widmore’s approval instead of Penny’s love…
(sorry for stating the obvious, just really really excited by this episode and that the sideways world actually MEANS something to our first reality
no need to apologize, love. we’re all feeling the same thing you are right now….it’s great isn’t it!
i feel you sista, i think we are all happy the island world wasnt a waste of our time. i would hate to have invested that much in these characters for the writers to tell us their development doesnt mean squat. horray for des. and im back to having my girl crush on penny
They have been promising to tell us what the numbers mean. No mention in this episode. Another waste of our time.
I guess Crispy skipped the two episodes in a row where we were told exactly what the numbers mean…
The numbers are points of degree on Jacob’s lighthouse torch. They correspond with each of the candidates: Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid, Locke and Sun (or Jin but my money’s on Sun). The numbers created bad luck in order to pull each of these people to the island. For me, that’s more then enough of an explanation.
I agree, “actress”, and I think any further explanation would diffuse the impact of the numbers. But I think 42 refers to Jin, which is why Sun didn’t travel back in time.
It’s the “House of M” theory. For those of you (most of you probably) who don’t read the funnies, in this case especifically The X-Men, there was a storyline where the way there enemy temporarly subjugated them was they warped the entire world, creating another world, where most if not all of their dreams and aspirations became a relity. That way they stopped fighting, stopped pursuing their ideals, since most was already happening in their lives; see Ford is cop, Locke’s got Ellen, Dr. Linus is a teacher who got the love and admiration of his father, etc. Not all ios perfect but sideways world is fullfilling some of their dilemas and aspirations, challenges they once thought could never be accomplished, dreams that were lost to them. Of course just like in the funnies, Eloise says something to the effect that Desmond should be happy and tamed now that he’s got Widmore’s admiration and is no longer a bum. Faraday was not forced into a life of Science etc. But that is the Ruse. there’s a curtain somewhere and these guys were manipulated by TPTB, there world is only as real some of their simplest wishes. In comes Charlie the first to fully understand that “this is not it” and then Super Special Desmond many worlds traveler gets an idea and a way to throw a huge monkey wrench on this here donkey wheel.
I really like the House of M theory because the idea that the Sideways-reality is the epilogue is really dissatisfying to me. They all achieve their dreams but their lives are empty of purpose.
Respectfully, Lisa, I think the reason she didn’t travel back in time is because she was the only member of the oceanic six not visited by Locke. The reason I think she’s a candidate is because every character of importance thus far (Jack, Locke, Sawyer, Charlie, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Ben, Juliette, Miles, Daniel, Charlotte, Hawking and Widmore) has appeared on the show as a child. Even Desmond who was off-screen during Charlie’s swimming flashback in Greatest Hits. Jin however is conspicuously not on that list.
Humme, if only you could spell I think i really would have enjoyed your theory. It sounds really, really well articulated and thought out and then you lost me with all of those errors. Very distracting indeed.
Okay read all the comments through page 7. Responding here since Skip is the “sideways apologist” of the comments section. Fair enough.
But I’d disagree with Doc (and by association Skip) that the episode would either hook people on the sideways world or scare them away forever. Why? It answered some key questions and opened up new ones… but it’s not a moment-of-truth event after you’ve watched for 5 2/3rd’s seasons! Doc J. certainly seems rather defensive about sideways world lately.
The episode was very, very good.
That said, we all speculated Desmond was the one who could travel between the two worlds, so that was no great shock when we got the big reveal. It was very well done. Also wonderfully ironic how Island Charlie was destined to die, but Sideways Charlie can’t die — not for lack of trying!
Questions to ponder:
How much does Eloise know?
How accurate is Daniel’s statement about what happened with the bomb (did you notice the words “imaginary time” written in his notebook?)
What about that painting with the scales in Widmore’s sideways office (someone pointed that out later in the comments section, and noted white and black rocks on them!)?
What will Sideways Desmond tell the passengers?
Will he even get to tell them?
All things to ponder as the endgame nears.
As I’ve said all along, we’ll see if it’s all been worth it. But I am intrigued.
And I can see, for the first time, how they are moving to reconcile the story paths involving the island gods (Jacob/MiB), with the electromagnetic, Darma, Widmore events from past episodes. A good thing.
Well that’s all us “sideways apologists” are asking for. Just give it a chance to play out. You may see the finale and very well hate where the Sideways world leads, which is fine, but far too often on these boards people slam it saying it’s pointless. I personally love it (though I’ve watched Star Trek and sci-fi my whole life, so it’s second nature to me), and I just hope others give it a chance before they tune out. I’d hate for people to jump ship now.
Summed up oh so eloquently by Mrs. Widmore (so weird…) when she said “What happened, happened.” Only to be postscripted by her son Daniel Widmore (even weirder…) when he said “What if this WASN’T supposed to be our life?”
hello,zjm
I understand that how some people could get impatient with the Sideways stories, but I personally enjoyed them.
I think they were very rewarding for people who’ve seen every single episode and could appreciate the subtle differences in the stories themselves and in the choices each character made.
On top of that, I have faith in these writers. I trust them enough to believe these Sideways stories are going somewhere. I also realized that the writers also had to establish every main characters’ Sideways reality (which I think is where a lot of people got impatient).
Now that most of the Sideways world has been established (I think Hurley’s the only one left) and in light of this Desmond episode, I think things are about to kick into high gear.
I have been loving the sideways stories, and I really hope that Daniel was wrong about that life not being supposed to be theirs. Hey, at least in this one he’s alive!
Oh come on people the answer to Lost is simple It’s all part of Desmond’s illusion, in reality he’s locked up in some hospital somewhere undergoing treatment and this whole show has been a figment of his imagination. Whether backwards, forwards, sideways or 160 degrees longitude & 20 degrees latitude I doubt the end will justify the bizarre plot twists.
Growler, don’t you realize that it has to be good or evil, love or hate?
The most hard-hitting ep is the season (suprising after Richard’s ep)! LOST is working towards one thing…enhancing the rewatchability of the entire series. If there are haters, then they truly haven’t been watching all these years. If you accepted Desmond’s Charlie death dreams years ago, then this current motif should only move you!
It’s not just Desmond, though (or, more precisely, not just Desmond’s consciousness). Daniel and Charlie also had big doses of bleedthrough – Daniel’s detailed enough to produce physics diagrams even though in sideways world he’s a musician.
@Mrs. Alpert – not only did she say “what happened, happened” she also said “it’s a travesty we haven’t met before – IT’S ABOUT TIME”
The Sideways world just feels wrong. Like Daniel said “What if this wasn’t supposed to be our life?” As much as Doc wants his Suliet love fantasy to play out, there’s is something very off about Sideways reality & I don’t see it being THE endgame place where they’re supposed to be. The people that have died on the Island died for a purpose and served their purpose. The whole idea of Sideways world being some sort of “afterlife” for the Islanders when they die feels like such an easy way out.
As to how much Eloise knows, it certainly seemed to me after this episode that she and Widmore are the only ones in the sideways world that know everything that really happened in all timelines.
I am reminded of Richard saying “I saw them all die.” and that he was with Eloise at the time. So, she was there in 1977 when the bomb either did or didn’t explode.
This could also explain why Richard,on the island is supposedly the one who, according to Jacob, knows what to do.
Amy Leigh: you’re right… and so is Daniel, and Charlie… the Sideways world just feels wrong… which is what keeps running through the all characters’ minds when they look in the mirror.
This isn’t a comment as much as a plea for help. I watched this episode three times and have watched all 5 1/2 years, but I don’t get it! What did I miss. Everyone is raving about it and putting it up with “The Constant” as the best one yet and crying during the episode and I’m sitting here saying “HUH”?
with the various conversations between Des & Charlie & then Danial FaraWidmore, did anyone think about Flash Forward’s key phrase, “What did you see?” Holy smokes, Flash Forward is another Lost reality and Penny is a doctor! Just saying….
i love that! you made me LOL!
Ahahahaha. Daniel FaraWidmore.
I kept expecting Penny to show up as a doctor in the hospital with her husband from FlashForward following behind!
Wouldn’t in be Daniel Faramore? Or Daniel Widday?
Fardmore.
lol just like I keep thinking “V” is Juliet’s sideways reality and she’s an FBI agent instead of a doctor…
after reading all these comments, lets just group hug. this was a great episode and finally, im feeling optimistic about the final journey the writers are taking us on.
Absolutely. I’ve been cringing at the direction they seem to be taking most of this season, but no more.
I agree, best episode yet this season! I cannot wait to see where we go from here now.
Yep, had goosebumps pretty much the whole episode. AMAZING. And I love that this gives new meaning to “See you in another life, brotha”!!!!
And amazing hair, I must say
(AMAZING EPISODE)
I have to admit that I was a sideways hater, but I always trusted that the writers would eventually win me over. And alas, it has been done. Last season was amazing and now this season is starting to get really good too. I’m so happy that I’m starting to really like it again. Yeah Lost!
My sentiments exactly. Although I’m not really a sideways hater. My feeling about it has pretty much been “Meh”. But now I’m MUY EMOCIONADO about the rest of the episodes!
Hated last season, digging this season!
They didn’t explain the meaning of Hurley’s numbers. So it continues to suck. End of story.
Crispy — really? Have you not been paying attention to what the numbers mean? That was explained long ago. They’re the numbers Jacob used to refer to each person considered a “candidate.”
Crispy, you don’t have to post the same comment more than once. We get it – you’ve obviously missed all of the significance of Hurley’s numbers, so you’re waiting for something that we’ve already received. Sucks to be you, I guess.
why does anyone even engage Crispy? Just ignore, ignore, ignore!
And how do you guys not realize that that’s not the REAL crispy?
So… they are having flashFORWARDS to memories they haven’t yet made (chronologically speaking)in an alternate reality? At what point does even a fictional show have to keep things at least logical?
They aren’t flash forwards to memories they haven’t made–they are flashbacks to their lives at the time of the crash, but because they detonated the bomb things are different. Their plane didn’t crash, and things are at least slightly different with all of them because the bomb changed things. However, if pressed, they slightly remember their lives as they were when the plane crashed.
where the hell is the recap?!! dying here!!!!!!
That was AMAZING.
So, so, *so* amazing.
I loved ever. single. second. I am literally eating this season with a spoon… and it’s freaking delicious.
Do you understand what “literally” means?
How do “literally” eat a TV season?
Let’s try “figuratively” next time, okay then?
Grammar Police OUT!
I love the irony of posting a comment addressing an error in grammar that itself contains an error — in this case a missing word.
Grammar Police hangs her head in shame.
Whenever the grammar police come around, just pull out your poetic license. How can you pull out an intangible license? Here, you can consult mine.
As long as you don’t literally pull out your poetic license, you’ll be okay.
I’m with you Grammar Police. The word literally is used way too often. It’s like nails on a chalkboard for me.
So then… wow. I mean, just. Yeah. Wow.
Exactly.
Yes…I just, wow. I mean…wow.
Brilliant! ♥
bloody brillant, brotha
Ok, when you get lucid again, try the quiz “LOST characters by limerick” – http://www.sporcle.com/games/rockgolf/Completely_LOST – It’s been played so far over 24,000 times.
The SECOND Charlie put his hand against the cardoor window and Desmond saw “Not Penny’s Boat,” I just started laughing for JOY! This show is SO GOOD! And I am so glad I stuck it out. THANK YOU Mr.s Cuse and Lindelof!
I totally agree with you. There was no doubt I would “stick it out”. I don’t stop reading a good book so I’m not gonna stop watching a great show. I loved seeing the cross-over to the island. The two worlds have to cross over and they finally did. No longer are those long glances a figment of our imaginations. Now we know there is substance there. On the island, it was Desmond who told Charlie that he had to sacrifice his life to save Claire. That hasn’t exactly worked out yet, although Claire’s not dead, just a Zombie, but after last night’s show, perhaps it will. I love the journey Lost has taken me on. I don’t want it to end but all great stories do.
teresa: You had a very interesting observation about Desmond’s vision of Claire. I’m gonna have to think about that some more. Very Good!
hahaha…yeah, exactly! I’ve been left rather speechless after a few episodes this season, but this one…couldn’t have said it better than that!
So many great moments in this ep, but the Charlie/Des moment in the water! Wow!!! Seeing “Not Penny’s boat” on Charlie’s hand as Des was seeing it literally gave me goosebumps!!! Awesome ep!!! There’ve been so many good eps this season, but this one definitely ranks as one of the best ever!
Simply the best episode of the season so far…I’m speechless
Not just that, but besides for Walkabout and the Constant, this was the best episode ever.
Nu-uh. The Holy Trinity is Through the Looking Glass, The Constant, and The Incident. And no non-finale episode could ever beat The Constant.
Nu-uh. The Incident does not replace Walkabout.
TOTALLY – walkabout, the constant and this are the 3 best episodes ever
1. There’s No Place Like Home.
2. The Constant
3. The Incident
4. Walkabout
5. Either Ab Aeterno, Happily Ever After
6. Man of Science vs. Man of Faith
7.
After the top 4, the rest is purely based on personal liking.
7. The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
Manolo-
No love for “Through the Looking Glass”? Charlie’s death! The reveal of the flash forward!
It’s good, but like I said, it’s a matter of preference. Through the Looking Glass was great, I would correct it and put it #6 or anywhere in the top 10. I think that episode was more of a shocker if you saw it premier night and had no idea wtf was going on until they revealed it.
Nevertheless,
I guess everyone’s top 10 list will massively shift when these final episodes premiere. These last 6 could ALL be TOP 10 material.
Ceballos, you are correct. Through the Looking Glass is the greatest two hours of television of all time.
However Happily Ever After will probably end up being in my top 5. Great episiode, and I have a feeling the last 6 will all be incredible.
My LOST all-time best:
1. Walkabout
2. Incident
3. Jughead
4. LaFleur
5. Lighthouse
Check that:
The Variable and Outlaw are in that top 5(ish) as well.
The Incident had a great ending, but it was a weakish episode overall. My Ranking:
1. Through the Looking Glass/The Constant
3. Walkabout
4. Pilot
5. Ab Eterno
It’s too tough to chose between TTLG and The Constant. TTLG was just amazing – Charlie’s Death, Rousseau/Alex reunion, the prospect of getting off the island, the flashforward – the most action packed episode of the series by far, that also packed an emotional wallop. The Constant, meanwhile, was just amazing.
LOL, Manolo. And the first four are based on Faraday-like pages of scientific formulas?
Definitely the best episode so far this season. Ranks high up there with Through the Looking Glass and The Constant.
I’m chuckling as I read the best ep debate. It’s just a testament that this show is amazing in general and it makes me too sad to think how quickly it’s all going to end. What will I do without my Lost/Doc Jensen fix?
How come no one is including “Flashes Before Your Eyes?” That’s the real game changing episode of the entire show. It introduced us to the issue of time travel and the fact that the drama extended outside of the island. “The Man Behind the Curtain” has to follow, because that was one of the first episode to provide so many answers in relation to the Others and Dharma. Both, Flashes and Curtain pretty much spawned season 5.
What, no one’s including “Orientation” in their top episodes list? The epi that introduced us to the button and the DI? That’s the one epi you could point to as the starting point of the narrative of the last 4 seasons.
Yeah, I always have a tough time deciding if I liked LOOKING GLASS or CONSTANT better…they’re both tied for #1 for me too. Love Walkabout, Love Flashes Before Your Eyes (all of the Desmond episodes are top notch). Happily Ever After is another great one…but I agree, it’s tough to top CONSTANT and LOOKING GLASS. But it’s all personal opinion! lol
http://www.lostaddictsblog.com (recap is up for Happily Ever After – I ramble on as long as always. If you have a couple hours to kill at work…this is for you! LOL)
I’m in for Walkabout (the moment we realized Locke was in a wheelchair was the moment I knew this show was going to be very special), Through the Looking Glass and the one that starts with Desmond in the hatch (cant’t remember the title).
Surely, Flashes Before Your Eyes must be on somebody’s list besides mine.
To me, that episode it almost the key to the entire series.
It also sort of explains the whole, ‘see the love of your life when you have a near death experience’ thing that Charlie was talking about.
I never really ‘got it’ before. But the meaning of that title was not just that Desmond was having flashes of the future after the explosion, but that his own near death experience caused his own life to ‘flash before his eyes’.
That is what Charlie experienced this time around, except that when his life flashed before his life, it was the life he had with Claire. Because, even though they are living in an alternate 2004, the original 2004 experience is still a part of his life and his memory.
Okay, I need to vent about TTLG. I loved the intro of the flash-forward, and I have no problem from a story point of view with Charlie’s death, but HOW he died was just so stupid. Forgive me if this has been covered here before (I’m relatively new here), but:
1) He ran to the hatch and closed it as Mikhail detonated – he could just as easily gone through the door before closing it.
2) The porthole that blew out with the explosion looked wide enough for little Charlie to fit through and at least TRY swimming for the surface
And most importantly, 3) With the door tho the room sealed, and the broken porthole halfway down the wall, the laws of fluid dynamics would make it physically impossible for the room to completely fill with water – there would be air trapped above the level of the porthole. This is (for me) a fatal flaw with that episode.
Back on topic, I loved the new ep, and I wish I had the discipline to wait until the season was over to watch the remaining eps in a marathon…but I know I don’t.
to Zampano – Charlie realized he had to die, as evidenced by the many times Desmond tried to save him, only to have another catastrophe happen to him – sort of an acceptance of the inevitable.
There are a lot of great episodes and all of the ones mentioned here belong in top 10 even if you have to make it a top 15, but the emotional payoffs we got from both Dr. Linus and Ab Aeterno this season have been some of my favorite experiences watching television. I realize they wouldn’t have the emotional impact without some of these other episodes laying the foundation, but all the symbolism in both of those episodes rank them within the best television viewing of all time.
ZAMPANO: I once had the same argument, but who said that the ceiling was airtight? The air pushed through the ceiling, slightly increasing the pressure in the rest of the looking glass, perhaps lowering the level of the pool by 1/32 of an inch.
That liked LaFleur?
Amen. It was transcendent!
agree, the best episode of the season. i knew Des and Penny wouldnt disappoint, they really are the heart of this show.
Wasn’t everybody also saying that about the Richard abs episode? I think every ep for the rest of the season will be this good.
Just wait til we get the Hurley episode. Next week maybe?
Best. Episode. Season 6. There I said it! I still reserve that “The Constant” was the best episode ever, but this is a very, nail-biting close second. Desmond! Charlie! Daniel! Penny! *swoons*
This episode had the best revelation into alt universe but it took a half hour for the important stuff to fall into place. It was an informative episode but no the best episode this season. The best revelation then yes.
This epi took off like a bat out of hell! Even the “getting to it” was packed! I didn’t even notice til 5 mins left that we hadn’t seen “the island”…it was that good.
The Substitute is the best of the season, followed by Ab Aeterno and this coming in 3rd.
Agreed Mrs Alpert. When the show ended I was shocked. An hour went by! I thought there were at least 15 minutes left.
How do people like Ab Aeterno? The acting was fantastic, but the actual storytelling was very disappointing. They only rehashed everything you either already knew or would have guessed if you’ve been watching the show (Richard coming in as a slave on the Black Rock, for instance).
This was far and away the best of the season. I’d imagine that the next best will be the upcoming Jacob-centric episode (I believe that’s planned).
The Daw, I completely agree. I really disliked Ab Aeterno because almost nothing was revealed–it was like a bad mystery story in which what ends up happening is EXACTLY what you expected from page 2. I don’t see how people could like that. Whereas, for me, this episode was AWESOME. I’m so relieved!
I retract my previous statement about it taking a half hour to get interesting. I re-watched the episode w/o commercial breaks and found it to be a lot better. Every des-centric episode is nothing short of fantastic and I’m glad he will be a part of both story-lines for the remaining episodes.
possibly the best ever… desmond is the key to everything… i knew it would be him, somehow!
I did too! Desmond *sigh*
I actually cried and jumped up and down thanking Lindelf and Cuse when Desmond asked for that Oceanic’s manifest. THIS was THE ONE wrapped as a beautiful gift to use devoted Losties!
I agree, I too always figured Desmond was the key. And, yes, asking for the Manifest..awesome! I cannot believe we only have 7 hours left!!!! How can that be?
Desmond has the most compelling story — it’s not wrapped up in the drama of being 815 crash survivors on the island. Loved this episode.
First, great episode.
Wrong, but great episode yes.
EPIC!! Just epic. I’m giddy right now.
Giddy is the exact word for how I feel. Desmond and Penny “meeting” again. Charlie! Daniel! Eloise berating Desmond. Good times!
Me three giddy. What we just watched was exhilarating. “The Constant” is still my favorite episode, but this was superb. And, just like “The Constant,’ this ep managed to give us lots of intel, advance the larger story and also give us the wonderful intimate story of Des/Pen meeting (again). Swoon indeed.
A lot of the players from The Constant were present too – Desmond, Penny, Daniel, Widmore, even Minkowski
This episode was the companion piece to The Constant. Like other episodes this season, it ties thematically with a previous season ep. This one followed a lot of the same basic ideas and chars as the Constant. And did so brilliantly I would add.
ME FOUR! I am also very very giddy! I have been super wound up since the episode finished….wow that was amazing. I spent most of the episode gaping at the TV with pure and utter joy. Minkowski! The stadium! Flashes of Charlie dying in the island world! Eternal love being the bridge between realities for Charlie, Daniel, and Desmond! Good God, this was amazing TV. I am just so happy. I trusted that the Sideways thing was worthwhile and I enjoyed it for what it was before, but I love that they’ve connected them now. I seriously might need to go have a drink right now just to chill myself the hell out. Wow.
Just imagine how we’re going to feel after the finale! I took May 24th off from work already so I can re-watch the finale like 10 times!
Iggy, good thinking ahead!!
That’s so funny you mentioning eternal love as being the bridge between realities, because it didn’t look like Kate and Sawyer had a great revelation when they looked at each other in the airport. Did Kate and Jack see each other then? Does that mean that what they have is not that great a love at all?
I defo agree about love being a bridge, especially the way the episode went today. As for the lack of revelation between Kate/Jack/Sawyer. I dont think Kate/Jack or Kate/Sawyer have eternal love; hence no reaction. I’m almost positive there will be a reaction (maybe very brief) when Sawyer meets Juliet. A few other thoughts: I think Eloise and Charles, are aware of exactly what sideways world is. They know of many of the islands mysteries, and charles has demonstrated that he also has an understanding of what the man in black is, and of his agenda. The same situation seems to exist in sideways world. They know that this reality exists only because of the island.
Something I’m pondering after Desmond asked for the manifest, is did he see more of the island world when he fainted? Any thoughts?
I think Kate and Jack had an aha moment at the airport.
I think Desmond requested a manifest, because he may be aware that he needs to find his constant? yes/no? The first time his consciousness was “skipping” in time the Island Desmond was not aware of his island world/friends. When his consciousness is skips now, which consciousness does he have. it seems that he has sideways consciousness because he doesn’t remember the island , then who is he on the island after waking up. Does he remember all of them?
Iggy, too bad you didn’t live in Canada..the 24th is a Stat Holiday
@MB–Jack or Kate have NOT had the recollection (for lack of a better word)that Charlie, Des, & Dan have had…not AT ALL. She went on & helped with Claire…he with his mom & David, NOT a HINT of the kinds of revelations we had last night in either of those epis. NO, nuh-uh, no way. After Des finds them with the fabled manifest, though, who knows…
That episode was definitely my favorite of the season. And once I watch it again possibly of the entire series. I got chills so many times throughout
I read an eonline article stating that if you did not cry during this episode then your not human. There was really no emotional moments. It was good to see charlie and penny back, I cant stand eloise or farraday, they are important characters but they bother the hell out of me.
no, that was about episode 15, i read.
I cried. When Desmond was watching Penny run – “I’ll see you in another life, brother”.
The most recent E!Online article from Kristin says that, according to Damon Lindelof, she is the first person to figure out what Lost is all about: LOVE. She said this episode makes that very clear. Veeerrrry interesting! And awesome!
I cried WAY more at the preview of next week’s episode…starting when Hurley put the flower on Libby’s grave. I want closure on that soooo bad…Please let it happen next week!
I don’t think I actually came to tears but it was definitely emotional. Desmond seeing her run, he just had that look like “he already loved her.” LOVE THAT LINE!!
OMG, unreal, unbelieveable, amazing, and absolutely what was needed to start joining the worlds!
Nuff said!
This episode was TOO good. There, I said it.
Thoughts going through my head as the car went over the dock – “They better not kill Charlie again in the water” – “They better have Charlie put his hand on the window” – “OH YES THEY DID!!!!!!!!!!!” – “Wait that was a flicker to the past. Wait “Not Penny’s Boat” – “OMG – what they just did blew my mind!” Amazing simply amazing!
“Through the Looking Glass” is my favorite episode of “Lost” (and maybe my favorite episode of any TV show) so seeing the callback to that once they went in the water was absolutely exhilirating.
Me too! I yelled “NOT PENNY’S BOAT!” and my husband just looked at me like I was crazy, lol.
I agree Ceballos. “Through the Looking Glass” is where I stopped being interested in Lost and went full-blown nuts for it.
I did the same thing. Yelling at my TV again.As soon as Charlie started to lift his hand to the window I yelled “Not Penny’s boat” and started laughing
Screamer here too! I’m sure the neighbors were wondering who the hell Penny was!
I said the same thing out loud too when they went into the water! When Charlie put his hand on the window…I just died.
oh god … me too.
But this time Desmond saved Charlie! I loved it.
awesome episode! Can’t wait for the recap tomorrow. Already counting the days for the next episode!
And you know it’s going to be like 30 pages long…
I don’t have a problem with that.
Wasn’t Desmond wearing a wedding ring in the season opener? Wondering where it went, and the significance of its disappearance….
Yah I thought he was wearing it as well. I put my hand up in protest about that. For a while I thought well maybe he is married to Penny but has to keep it hush hush (like another relationship that needs to be kept from a father figure that we’ve seen in the show), but I guess my theory was wrong on that account. But what about that ring?
He wasn’t wearing a wedding ring in the season opener.
It appeared that he had a ring imprint on his finger.
i had that same question too! it was even written on lostpedia that he had one. just a continuity error. because of the awesomeness of this episode ima let it slide
Desmond was indeed wearing a ring. You could see it when he got up to let Jack into his seat on the plane. (Thank you DVR.)
Perhaps this is similar to Jack’s deja vu over his mystery neck gash and non-memory of his appendix scar?
It is my understanding that Widmore took Desmond from the hospital. I just assumed that Desmond’s wedding ring was removed there. Or Widmore took the ring off of Desmond. Remember Widmore’s lackey asked if Desmond had any metal on him and Widmore answered “no”?? So, maybe Widmore has it.
Now debate this… did Desmond make the sacrifice by going with Sayid? Or was he supposed to sacrifice the opportunity for the sideways life?
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think we’ve yet to see the sacrifice Widmore was referring to.
I bet the sacrifice is he has to give up Penny.
Ugh, that would be awful!
However, I really don’t think that’s it. I mean, Widmore has already had to make that sacrifice. (Also, it would make me very angry.)
didn’t see it either. hoping he doesn’t have to die just to let penny and little charlie live a happy life
I definitely got the feeling that his sacrifice will be his sideways life. His “Happily Ever After.” Maybe when everyone else gets theirs, he will have to stay on the island?
the sacrifice is to give up his current life and thus his kid, charlie in hopes of having him agin in the sideways world.
I am thinking/hoping Desmond’s sacrifice is his easy, no strings-attached Sideways life. His Island life has been harder and messier, but more emotionally fulfilling because of Penny and his son. Perhaps that’s the choice all of the Losties will have to make. Yeah, Charlie died in Island life, but kicked the drug habit, loved Claire and Aaron, and died a hero. Kate lost Aaron but got rid of her fugitive past and made a decent mom, etc. Makes me think of the quote “‘Tis better to have loved and LOST than never to have loved at all.”
Dang Lola! Love it
Wow. That’s good!
umm, no. that is wayyy too easy, and Widmore would not need to know if he could survive the electromagnitism if that was it. thanks for playing though!
Oh my gosh, I used that EXACT same phrase (to have loved and LOST …) a little while ago on another board. I am seeing this exactly the same way – the easier, but no redemption life is the life MIB is (implicitly) promising to everyone if they follow him.
Really tina? ‘Thanks for playing’? shesh