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Mar 19
2010
05:34 PM ET
Doc Jensen Weekend Edition: Do Sawyer + Juliet = The Smoke Monster?
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Smokey & Widmore working together – That is what Widmore means saying Sawyer does not understand what is going on. Widmore gets island back, Smokey goes home, no fighting. However, rules being rules – someone must take Smokey’s place, man in closet – Desmond. Parallels – Smokey knows what it meant to love and lost, being tricked to become Smokey and not being able to go back to his love. Desmond tricked to go on boat race to be taken by island to be new smokey, didn’t work out. Back now and will be trapped from seeing Penny and forever. Widmore wins – island and no Penny with Des, Smokey has replacement and can leave. Last scene – Desmond (new smokey) to Jack (new Jacob), do you know how much I want to kill you (because you brought them back and provided Widmore the tracking to bring me here). See you in another life as Smokey and Jacob. Food for thougt
I like this theory. It is just hard to believe that after all the set up of Desmond being special, he would just drop out of the story. Of course, this could apply to Walt or Aaron as well, but I don’t think the writers would put a child in the role of “New MIB” or “New Jacob”
Desmond is coming back at some time. As for Aaron, I think the last episode gave us a big clue about his future when Fake Locke compared himself to Aaron and their similar mothers.
Greg, I like your theory, but MIB didn’t have to wait that long to get his replacement. He could easily convince the real John Locke to take his place, because he loved the island and he didn’t have a reason to go back!
just my point that Locke didn’t have to “trick” anyone, and especially wait that long to “trick” someone. If that’s gonna be the case, then the storylines don’t make sense. I believe they can all leave, no one has to stay, but something may happen when they all leave.
I don’t think that THE END will be just a mere replacement of these two figures — quite anticlimactic.
wow. you really are nutsy-cuckoo, but it’s fun.
Doc, please quit while you’re ahead. No, seriously. Your theories are always 95% batsht insane.
But that 5% is nothing but progress!
Doc, you need to come back down to the real world, this is some seriously ridiculous bs.
That’s a pretty interestin theory, even if I don’t understand it completely.
But if Miles is to be believed, Juliet’s already gone over to the sideways reality. And Doc Jensen really needs to get outdoors more often. I’m used to him contradicting himself week to week, but this one has crossed over into hysteria.
Here’s my problem with the belief that Juliet has gone over to the sideways. That MIGHT be true if we believe Jughead was responsible for the split in realities. But I think it’s increasingly becoming obvious that something else caused it. Another clue is Miles saying that his dad worked at the museum and Roger regretting leaving the island. I’m not sure he’d regret leaving a place he had to evacuate. My opinion of what happened there was that Juliet was still time traveling in her mind. Much like Minkowski did when he died and much like Charlotte did when she died. I might give you that her mind traveled but I don’t think she’s in the sideways. Nor do I think they get a happily ever after there.
I won’t disagree with you Leslie, but another possibility is that Jughead caused time travel in both worlds, which would explain the changes in Sideways world that would have had to have happened previous to 1977. I just find it very intriguing.
Hmm. Explain how jughead would have caused time travels in both worlds. Seriously, I’m interested in your theory. Are you saying that not only did it split the realities but it also caused time traveling? And they are still doing it? My theory is I think the castaways time traveled from 1977 o 2007. I also think that it had nothing to do with Jughead and that Juliet died from one too many time traveling adventures because she wasn’t protected by Jacob’s touch. I think what caused the shift is Jacob dying.
Possibly the detonation of Jughead interacted with magnetic force at what would become the Swan. In the original timeline, the Losties were sent forward to 2007, as they always have (and The Incident happened as it always did). The original timeline is the ‘whatever happened, happened’ world.
Another effect may have been that a split timeline occurred with the island traveling back in time, whether a few years or more. I think it still went back to when Dharma was there (since the undersea world had the barracks and Roger mentioned going there), though something could have happened earlier to set the events in motion. In this timeline, something happened to possibly cause Dharma to fail. I think it may have been the volcano, which could have sunk the Island. Whatever the cause and however far it went back, the influence of Jacon and the Island on the lives of the Losties was lost, or severed. So we are seeing their lives in Sideways World as they would have happened without this manipulation. This has implications as to what the Island actually is and how it affects the world at large.
What??? This episode had nothing to do with Juliet. Did you even watch it? It was all about getting Sawyer and Kate back in each other’s orbit.
Absolutely. I don’t ship or whatever but it was screaming KATE. KATE. KATE. I think you just need to look at that last scene in the sideways to see the clearest clue the writers have given.
…You’re kidding right? This episode SCREAMED juliet. The reason for the fakeout of Charlotte? Because they’re saving Juliet for the end. Him finding Kate had nothing to do with Him and Kate, it was only about how all the characters are connected, which is why everything will come to a head a Lockes wedding.
OY. OKKKK. We’ll believe what ever is in your head. NOT what was shown on the screen.
You are completely delusional Skip182. Sawyer had 6 centric episodes on Lost. 5 of them featured Kate heavily and only 1 of them had a big Juliet involvement. What does that tell us? That his relationship with Kate has been defining storyline throughout and the thing with Juliet was only a little detour in his character arc. Get that into your head.
I meant his relationship with Kate has been his defining storyline throughout. I forgot to type a word there.
I’d love to respond, but no spoilers…
I still hope for a logical ending. I want Smokey to be a hologram, a collection of forces at work, maybe a figment of the dark matter that fills unknowingly to us our Universe. I don’t want deities or sorcerers. I’d much prefer Smokey being an inhabitant of an alternate universe where they got short on human beings and they collect the best candidates from this one (?!)
It’s a great theory and all, but how would they ever have time to reveal all that in the 8 hours left? Not at they pace they’re currently going…..
I have never been so confused in my life. Not even in math class….. woah.
I really really like the idea of Smokey having all the memories of LOST and drawing from them to manipulate the castaways. Also, the idea of him wanting them to die so he can take on their essence. Good theory, Doc!
Doc, did your mother let you fall on your head when you were still a little boy? That’s the only way I can explain to myself how you can possibly come up with so much batshit in one single column.
I can’t believe I wasted ten minutes of my life reading this BS. Doc, maybe you should concentrate on a theory that begins with the premise “how do we (the writers of Lost) tie up these characters and their story without pissing off every fan of a television show called Lost?” I think you’ll find a lot of more ridiculous, convoluted possibilities are automatically eliminated.
Absolutely. I know Lost makes us think, but thinking to the point where it makes sense in relation to the show, not to the point of having stars float around your head. Sorry Doc, but I think you’ve ‘lost’ it on this one! The MiB/Jacob agendas are still playing out but I imagine their real deal won’t nearly be as complicated as you make out.
And I agree with previous commenters here, this Sawyer episode was chock full of Kate, how much she’s been a part of Sawyer’s life on island and how much he still thinks of her and now, how she has literally crashed into his life in the Alt. Where were the Juliet references in this ep? A nod to LaFleur, which was fake, just as James Ford used it to confuse his Alt lover, Sawyer used it to cheat his way into Dharmaville and his unrealistic life there. And sunflower #2 to Charlotte has me thinking it’s the writers’ way of simply saying a sunflower is merely Sawyer’s way to charm the ladies. Not to mention that both refs were made with his one-night stands. Surely this tells us more about the (non)relevance of Juliet in Sawyer’s life as a whole? She wasn’t meant to last, like lafleur and the sunflowers.
I have to agree. We can appreciate how comforting that relationship was for both Sawyer and Juliet. But at the end of the day this episode shows us pretty clearly that Kate is and always will be a force in Sawyer’s life.
I disagree. All it shows is that the characters are connected. Just because he sees her there doesn’t mean he wasn’t to get it on with her. Not unless you think Jack and Dogin want to bone too. Or Seyeid and Jin. Or Kate sleeping with Claire. Or Sewyer and Charlies brother. You’re confusing lives destined to entertwine with lives destined to be spent together.
Are you kidding me?! So when we see Ben and Alex together in their sideways reality we don’t think it’s because their relationship was/is special? Or Sayid or Nadia? Or Locke and Helen. Come on. Clearly Kate and Sawyer are important to each other. And it’s just a mistake that they recreated that epic throwing up against the bars scene?
I think we’re disagreeing on the meaning of “relationship.” All of the characters relationships are important, but I don’t mean it in a sexual way, which seems to be your view. We are seeing more than just those invovled in sexual relationships cross paths in the Sideways world, and I maintain that’s all the Sawyer/Kate encounter was. Are Sawyer and Kate important too eachother? Yes. More important than any other characters on the show? I don’t think so. Sawyer (the version with Juliet) is better than Kate deserves.
I would never suggest that Alex and Ben had a sexual relationship, but if you actually responded to what I said instead of your knee jerk reaction you wouldn’t have said that. And I don’t think anyone has entered into a argument that their relationship is MORE important than anyone elses. Just that is IS importnat.
That relationship being Kate and Sawyer. Also, for me i t doesn’t have to be a sexual relationship, but the fact that no matter where they are that Kate and Sawyer will find each other says LOADS.
I feel that I did respond to your statement and it wasn’t knee-jerk. What I’m saying is that the way you are interpreting the Sawyer/Kate Sideways encounter is as the first stages of a sexual relationship, as opposed to the way I view it, as just a relationship. You view it as 2 souls meant to be together, and I view it as 2 souls who were destined to meet. Is that basically where we’re at?
Exactly where did I interpret them having the first stages of a sexual relationship? I said that in any reality Kate would be a force in Sawyer’s life and she is. I’m sorry, I’m just going by what I see. And the fact that I see Sawyer and Kate interacting in every sideways and island reality I’m gonna go with my interpretation and also with the interpretation I see with others here.
The way I interpreted your “strong force in his life” was that it was a sexual relationship between the characters. If you instead are only saying that they were destined to cross paths, yes I agree, but that can be said about ANY of the characters. They are all interecating in the Sideways world, so to say that Kate will always be a strong force in his life is the same as saying any of the characters are strong forces in eachothers lives. What happens if he runs into Juliet in the Sideways world? Would that not also mean that Juliet will also always be a strong force in his life?
Skip – I think we’re on the same page in what we’re seeing as far as the relationships are concerned. And these relationships – for instance that of Jack and Locke – could very very different in the Sideways world (though Jack and Locke started off not as adversaries in Island world, too). Sawyer arresting Kate is a far cry from Sawyer and Kate being in a relationship.
What in gods green earth are you going on about?
You need to remove yourself from Suliet’s rectum and return to the real world for a sec.
No seriously, ‘The Other Woman’? There’s reaching and then there’s this.
You just made yourself look like a sad, sad man.
I don’t even know what to say to this.
I adore Doc. And enjoy reading his theories no matter how far-fetched they are but he really does misread the Sawyer/Kate/Juliet stuff.
I have said that Kate is pregnant with Jack’s baby since they slept together right b4 the Aijra flight..and I can see that I am not alone. Also, in Sideways James Ford’s storyline did anyone else notice the St. Francis statue on his desk and the “religious” bracelet he was wearing? St. Francis is the patron saint of animals, but my dad gave me a statue when I was a teenager and told me it would help me find a good husband. This definitely seems to fit the episode better.
The statue was St. Anthony, patron saint of finding lost things, even lost souls. Sometimes an unofficial patron saint of cops too. Both he and St. Francis were Franciscan monks, so they’re easy to mix up. St. Anthony always has the baby Jesus in his arms, and often holds a lily or bible as well. Det. Ford’s statue had the lily.