'Supernatural': Who believes in demons, but not the Big G?

Supernatural_lO ye faithful Superfans, I’ve been wondering for weeks what you’d think about the big-tent revival meeting that is this season. With Dean (Jensen Ackles) snatched out of Hell by the angel Castiel (Misha Collins), all of a sudden big questions of theology are invading our good-time Thursday nights. This was never more true than last night, with the pour souls the hunters couldn’t save rising from the grave for payback.

Heartless aside: Yes, yes, hunter deaths are bad, but as long as Bobby’s (Jim Beaver) okay. I’m okay. Moving on…

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As the souls came to take their vengeance they raised a point or twoabout the way the hunters do business: Did Sam (Jared Padalecki) andDean really have to kill nearly every demonic soul they encountered,and thus, the innocent human trapped inside? It’s an interesting pointto ponder, but correct if I’m wrong (and I know you will), the answer’salways been: YES! These innocent human host bodies are dead anyway,right? That’s what we’ve been told. So what’s with raising the falsepoints of contention, arguing over whether Sam and Dean are reallyheroes?

To my mind, that line of thinking is of a piece with Dean doubtingthe existence of the big G, Him (or Her) self. Yeah, sure, Dean iswounded and pessimistic. We get that. But is our beloved leader EricKripke really trying to convince us that a guy who’s been fightingdemons most of his adult life really can’t accept that maybe theremight be a God in Heaven, along with ultimate evil down below? It justseems silly for him to believe in one thing, but not the other. It’slike saying, "I acknowledge the existence of Oreos, but this Cookiesand Cream, of which you speak, is unmitigated balderdash!"

Can we deal with what is, please? Dean needs to get with thisapparently imminent apocalypse, accept that this God entity is real,and make with the world-saving. Unless of course Castiel is no angel.Then I take it all back.


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  • Annie

    Dean’s mistake is assuming that this “God” is benevolent, or at all interested in humans. Take those assumptions out of the equation and the existence of whatever they’re calling God makes perfect sense by the show-universe’s rules.

  • Snarf

    I got a friend of mine hooked on the show last week – but as she pointed out, you can’t have the dark without the light. The show so far has tripped around the concept of God as the “absent landlord” same as it has the Devil. Be interesting to see where this is heading.

  • Vicky

    “It’s an interesting point to ponder, but correct if I’m wrong (and I know you will), the answer’s always been: YES! These innocent human host bodies are dead anyway, right?”
    Can’t the demons be removed and the person still alive??? When they removed the demon from Meg in the first season, wasn’t she still alive, but since the guys pushed her out the window…well it did a lot of damage to her human body. Then she died a few minutes later. I think I’m right…right? Someone help me out here. As long as the body isn’t beyond repair, they can still live a “normal” life after the demon is removed.

  • Heather

    The key with the host bodies lies in what the demon’s done to them in the interim. The assumption with Meg is that the push out the window damaged her body horribly and so the body didn’t survive the removal of the demon. Or, well, survive long. But other people who’ve been exorcised on the show as well didn’t survive because of what the demon put them through. All it takes is the demon in the body getting shot. The human won’t survive then after the demon is removed, whether the person shooting them was a hunter or not.

  • Alynda

    See, and I was under the impression that mere demonic possession for any length of time (and who knows how long that is?) so wrecked a person, physically and spiritually, that even if they could be saved, they wouldn’t want to be. Of course, that being just a theory.

  • Kalie

    It makes total sense that Dean would believe in Hell and the existence of demons w/o believing in God as well. He’s seen first hand that Hell exists, but never before had real proof in God’s existence or that there’s a Heaven. Evil is something he deals with every day and demons took his family away from him. Of course he’s low on faith. It’s just another facet of his personality that shows how different he is from his brother. Sam prays every day and is quick to believe that Heaven exists, while Dean thinks it’s all myth. Maybe this season will be all about him gaining some faith.

  • Jennifer

    If Dean doesn’t believe in Heaven then where does he think his Dad’s spirit went after he crawled out of hell?
    Did this episode remind anyone of Flatliners?

  • Kelex

    Dean has pointed out in “Houses of the Holy” that he doesn’t believe in what he can’t see and touch. Sam is the one who has been able to take things “on faith” as it were, and it wasn’t until the impalement of the would-be rapist at the end of his episode that Dean even entertains the notion that there might be another power. It’s revisited again in “Roadkill” when they don’t know where Tricia Helfer’s character’s ghost is going to go; it’s just a pretty light, and then she fades out. Dean’s also addressed several times the lack of angelic documentation in the lore that they use for research, and while there have been lots of angelic texts written, as Bobby proved last night by plunking the stack of books down on the desk, there’s been no physical tangible proof of angels, God, or anything else, as opposed to the documented and in-front-of-his-eyes proof of demons, demonic intervention, and the gates to Hell as well as Hell itself.

  • Not buying it

    I love this show, and I love Dean – a well written character given some awesome lines (“That creeps me out.”) I can totally see him believing in evil – he has seen it since he was a young child – but not believing in God. Nothing good has occurred in his life, he has had no evidence or personal experience with God until now. It will be interesting to see how this new experience is incorporated into the Winchester universe at the season continues (if only TW and CW could work out their differences before next Thursday for my television viewing pleasure).

  • Tigershire

    I dunno, Dean has stated he doesn’t believe in Lucifer either. He says something about “aren’t those bedtime stories told to scare little demons??” or something to that effect.
    And since he’s experienced evil via demons but not good via angels (at least until this point) then I can see why he’s having a hard time with this concept.

  • Anonymous

    My only problem with this is in one of the episodes in Season 2, “Houses of the Holy”, his last line was “It was God’s will.” like he believes there just might be a God. Other than that, I love this show to death and would murder anyone who doesn’t and say that the God of the Supernatural appeared to me and told me to do it, and then I would plead insanity, end up in a mental hospital- oh, wait.

  • Lizzie

    A possessed person only dies if the demon has done something to get them killed. If the possessed person hasn’t been shot, stabbed or tossed out a window, they may well survive, just like Sam survived Meg’s possession in ‘Born Under a Bad Sign’ and the little girl survived Lilith’s possession in ‘No Rest for the Wicked’. The boys even commented last season that demons were being rougher on their hosts than before, and killing more of them.

  • Jason

    Has anyone noticed that this season of Supernatural has been extremely similar to Buffy Season 7? The whole battle with a great evil. On Buffy it was the First Evil. And as for even the second episode of Supernatural was strikingly similar to a season 7 episode of Buffy
    “Conversations with Dead People. I enjoy Supernatural; just wish they could be a little more original.

  • Hey

    How can you say that the new season of Supernatural is anything like Buffy Season 7? The season just started! Only 2 episodes have aired and your going to compare it to an entire season. “Conversations with Dead People” was nothing like “Are You There God? Its me, Dean Winchester”
    If your going to compare any Buffy Season 7 episode to the most recent Supernatural episode, it should be “Lessons”
    In Lessons, the basement of the new Sunnydale High is haunted by the ghosts of people that Buffy apparently wasn’t able to save.
    I just owned you.
    Yeah.

  • Ragna

    In the first episode of last season, when the Seven Deadly Sins posessed some people, weren’t they able to save the people they drove the Sins out of (the ones Ruby didn’t knife, I mean)? I could have sworn some of those people survived.

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