The New Yorker film critic David Denby is usually such a doom-sayer about the state of contemporary cinema that, on those rare occasions when he hints that the entire art form may not be going to hell in a hand basket, I sit up and take notice. So it is with his essay this week on the state of the romantic comedy genre, something he thinks is looking up because of Knocked Up (pictured), which he believes has put the genre on a new path, towards greater psychological insight, humorous sexual candor, and appeal to male viewers. Of course, he still has grumbling reservations about the movie: to him, it represents the latest in a recent trend of romantic comedies in which schlubby, slacker-y guys get the girl, and in which the girl doesn’t really get any funny lines. Both situations are unfair to women, Denby argues, leading to the inevitable moan about how far the genre has fallen since the sparkling "screwball" romantic comedies of the ’30s and ’40s, when women were stronger and wittier and the men were worthy of them.
Denby’s essay has spawned a lot of vehement reaction in the blogosphere (here and here, for instance), suggesting that, for all his praise of Knocked Up, he doesn’t really get the movie or why it works. To me, it seems Denby has to ignore a lot of cinema history to make his argument, both recent (particularly, Knocked Up director Judd Apatow’s last film, The 40-Year-Old Virgin) and vintage. There’s a long venerable tradition of the slacker guy (lazy or unambitious) and the schlubby guy (not nearly as attractive or charismatic as his costar) getting the girl, in movies like Holiday and The Philadelphia Story (both of which have slacker Cary Grant landing Katharine Hepburn) or Preston Sturges’ The Lady Eve and The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek (where the male romantic leads are a geeky Henry Fonda and a nerdy Eddie Bracken, respectively). Not to mention every romantic comedy Woody Allen ever made. Recently, we’ve started to see movies where schlubby girls land hot guys; think My Big Fat Greek Wedding and the Bridget Jones movies. So there’s some of the parity Denby is looking for, though I think he hoped movies would achieve balance by raising the bar for the guys, not by lowering it for the gals.
I agree with Denby that the women don’t get to be as funny as themen anymore, unlike in the days of Hepburn and Rosalind Russell, or (inthe ’70s) Diane Keaton and Barbra Streisand. Part of the issue, whichDenby hints at, is that today’s romantic comedies are really about (asthey called it on Scrubs) guy love. Wedding Crashers isthe best example; it’s really about how Owen Wilson breaks up withVince Vaughn, mopes around, then gets back together with him — but ina totally not-gay way, dude. In Meet the Parents, Ben Stiller’s already got the girl; now he has to woo and win over her dad. Virgin and Knocked Up (along with Old School, Anchorman,and other movies involving Apatow and the Frat Pack) are about men whomust choose between remaining in arrested adolescence with their malebuddies or growing up in order to win the love of a mature woman. Inall these scenarios, the woman is the straight man, and there’s notmuch opportunity for her to wisecrack with the guys, whom she’ssupposed to outclass. (Exception: Catherine Keener in Virgin, who gets a couple chances to show she can dish it out as well as Steve Carell’s male pals can.)
To be fair, though, where is the actress who can hold her ownagainst the dazzling verbal ranting ability of a Vince Vaughn? Theromantic comediennes of the last decade or so — Julia Roberts, SandraBullock, Meg Ryan — all have their comic gifts, but none of them cando repartee like the actresses of the screwball era — Hepburn,Russell, Carole Lombard, Jean Harlow, et al. Who knows, maybe a KateWinslet, a Scarlett Johansson, even a Lindsay Lohan could handle thebanter; someone should try to write some for them and see.
Meanwhile, there are whole laboratories for the next advance inromantic comedy that Denby all but ignores. There’s TV (where, for manyyears, Sex and the City brought back all the strong heroines,witty repartee, and champagne fizz of classic screwball films), andthere’s overseas cinema (look at how Richard Curtis has beenexperimenting with structure in movies like Four Weddings and a Funeral and Love Actually). Finally, there’s gay romantic comedies — okay, there have hardly been any of those (Chasing Amy, perhaps? Kissing Jessica Stein? The Broken Hearts Club?),but imagine how that would open up the possibilities. After all,romantic comedy thrives on obstacles and taboos, something to keep thelovers apart until the end of the movie, but most of the traditionalones (money, class, religion, chastity) aren’t so insurmountableanymore. If we need funnier parts for actresses, and nimbler actressesfor those parts, we also need new challenges for them to overcome onthe road to true love.
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Are you seriously comparing Cary Grant with that guy from Knocked Up???? WTF!!!
A few good women I’d personally like to see carrying a romantic comedy:
Judy Greer, Maggie Gyllenhaal (LOVED her in “Stranger than Fiction”), Sarah Chalke (she’s hilarious on “Scrubs” AND sexy…what’s better than that?), Sofia Vergara, Aisha Tyler…if you’ll notice a lot of these women get work on TV…
It’s time to move past the old Reese/Sandra/Julia model and give this new guard a chance to carry a rom com.
It’s a little unfair of you to say woman aren’t up to saying lines that are not even being written. And did you see “When Harry met Sally?” Meg Ryan more than held her own. The material has to be there, though.
You also compared Cary Grant with Woody Allen. That part of your argument is extraordinarily absurd.
By the way, in The Philadelphia Story, Katharine Hepburn ends up with James Stewart – not Cary Grant.
Kate Winslet can definitely hold her own with the banter! So can Rosario Dawson (see Clerks 2) and anyone who’s ever been in a Jane Austen movie. Who writes banter better than Jane?
And Nia Vardalos and Renee Zellweger are nowhere near as “schlubby” as Seth Rogen or that guy who hooked up with Amber Valetta in that Will Smith movie (I forget his name, and the name of the movie).
I think it’s a little strange that Denby allegedly wants women to be treated more fairly in romantic comedies, yet one of his definitions of a good one is that it “appeals to male viewers.” Listen, when they start tailoring all action movies to appeal to female viewers, we can worry about tailoring the romantic comedies to male viewers, okay?
Also, I don’t want to see Scarlett Johansson in any romantic comedies. She’s not a very good actress, and I’m totally sick of her. That is all.
Chip, she doesn’t end up with Jimmy Stewart; she ends up with CK Dexter Haven; “I’ll try to be yar this time.” Also, Cary Grant is totally not a slacker in Holiday.
David Denby should be looking for strong, witty women on tv. In “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” all the women were smarter and wittier than the men (as was Cordelia on “Angel). And Lauren Graham is as strong and witty as any of the women on the silver screen in the 30s and 40s.
David Denby should be looking for strong, witty women on tv. In “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” all the women were smarter and wittier than the men (as was Cordelia on “Angel). And Lauren Graham is as strong and witty as any of the women on the silver screen in the 30s and 40s.
Where’s the “Something’s Got To Give” love? Diane Keaton was great in that. Or do female-led romantic comedies play more like “Chick Flicks” these days?
It’s tricky to find a good comedic actress because she has to be unafraid of humiliating herself. With such an emphasis on being sexy, many of today’s young actresses (specifically Scarlett Johansson, who is just terrible, and Lindsay Lohan) seem just too self-conscious to be goofy. However, great comedic actresses are out there. Jennifer Garner was excellent in 13 Going on 30, Isla Fisher stole scenes in Wedding Crashers, Amanda Bynes has enormous potential and Leslie Mann was downright hysterical in the movie you’ve been discussing, Knocked Up. And let’s not forget the ladies on SNL, particularly Amy Poehler and Kristen Wiig who have been breaking into film recently. And what about Anna Faris? I could see her doing a screwball romcom.
Sometimes it works when the man is shlubby (Knocked up) sometimes it works when the woman is shlubby (Bridget Jones). Why does everything need to be dissected and analyzed to unbearable degrees? And for the record, I though Mr. Shlubby in Knocked up was enduring and sweet and totally deserved her. Was he crude and immature? Yes. But then so were the women at times (especially her sister). It was funny. Mission accomplished.
Catherine Zeta-Jones is as close as it gets for me to a old-time screwball comedy counterpoint to the male lead. She’s got the glamour factor, but more importantly, the ability to trade barbs with the best of them.
Uh, Katherine Hepburn for sure ended up with Cary Grant in the end of a Phildelphia story. They got married!
“To be fair, though, where is the actress who can hold her own against the dazzling verbal ranting ability of a Vince Vaughn?”
Oh, dude. Shake Jodie Foster off her high horse and she would blow you away with the funny. I second Judy Greer, throw in the original eviscerator–Janeane Garofalo–and add Amber Tamblyn, Julianne Moore, Holly Hunter, Lauren Graham (DUDE Lorelai WAS a Hepburn throwback!), Parker Posey, Laura Linney and back up Bullock, who somehow gets no respect while Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler and Will Ferrell have done 10 variations on the same thing.
Where are the actresses? SERIOUSLY? Where’s the MATERIAL? With Apatow having a dozen projects in some state of development, we’re stuck with these guys for the next few years at least.
I think Amanda Bynes is great at comedy and she was so funny in She’s The Man.
Lauren Graham could totally handle Vince Vaughn.
Maybe Hollywood needs more female comedy writers to write better lines and funnier roles for women. The only female comedy writer that comes to mind is Tina Fey! She seems like the only one.
Besides, all (or a few) of the big box office actresses (Bullock, especially, Roberts or Witherspoon) seem like they want to focus more on dramas and not get typecasted like Meg Ryan. Did she ever make a drama that anyone wanted to see? I think not!
i think from the young Hollywood set, Rachel McAdams, could hold her own. Scarlett? Oh no. I think she proved she was funnier than i thought on SNL but her style still doesn’t sit well with me. SJP and Catherine Zeta Jones would do well to name a couple.
I would love to see more gay romantic comedies. Not that I didn’t love The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Knocked Up, Love Actually, Four Weddings and a Funeral, Meet the Parents, Wedding Crashers, etc., but it’d be nice to see more movies devoted to portraying the funny, frustrating, and realistic trials and tribulations of love in the gay community.
Oh, I totally have to second miv’s point on Rachel McAdams. I love her! With the right material, she (and many other young and old actresses listed on this blog) could EASILY carry a romantic comedy with a heavyweight male comedic actor. For some reason, Diane Keaton pairing with Vince Vaughn just popped into my head. I don’t know why, but a pairing like that could definitely work (and, no, I don’t care about the age difference).
So lame to say that there aren’t women who can hold their own with Vince Vaughn. Did you see Isla Fisher with him in Wedding Crashers? When does she get to be the lead in a comedy? I also agree that Anna Faris and Amanda Bynes are more talented than the material they get–Bynes is absolute slapstick genius in She’s the Man, an admittedly kinda dumb movie. And yes, Leslie Mann is funny in the Judd Apatow movies, but we are laughing *at* the character, not at *jokes* the character is making. The female characters don’t get the “You know how I know you’re gay, because you like Coldplay” kinds of lines. That’s where the discrepancy lies. I love Judd Apatow, but why can’t he write a script where the women actually make jokes instead of just acted drunk or exasperated? Busy Phillips, who played Kim Kelley on Freaks and Geeks, would be perfect for something like that.
Amy Adams – the young lady from “Junebug”. She is fabulously funny and witty! She seems like she would be able to trade barbs with the best of them.
Was this post just meant to rile up the fem-nazis? I enjoyed the movies you listed, both old and new. But saying that there aren’t any actresses that can handle guys like Vince Vaughn seems a little ridiculous. Even though the comedic writing for actresses is lacking, many female performers have showed their skill and then some. Others have mentioned Lauren Graham among many talented actresses who could easily put Vince Vaughn in his place…if given the opportunity and some good ammo from the writers.
Sorry about the feist…it’s been a slow morning at work.
I definitely agree with everyone mentioning Isla Fisher as someone who can more than hold her own with today’s comedy frat brothers. Also, Cheryl Hines is absolutely hilarious. Anna Faris as well, and Sarah Chalke, Aisha Tyler, Amy Poehler, Amy Adams and Tina Fey, to name a few.
But seriously, Leslie Mann is, in my opinion, comes the closest to at least this kind of male-oriented romantic comedy stuff. I actually think she’s a little bit LIKE Vince Vaughn, come to think of it. I just adore her and laugh at pretty much everything she does or says. She is an awesome comedienne.
But yeah, the material has to be there, too.
Another example of a kick-butt “t.v. actress” that can conquer banter witht the best of them – Kristen Bell.
Women who can seriously handle comedy include:
-Tea Leoni
-Deborah Messing
-Lauren Graham
-Isla Fisher
-Allison Hanigan
-Reese Witherspoon
-Kate Beckinsale (maybe)
-Kate Winslet
-Cameron Diaz
-Drew Barrymore
-Calista Flockhart
-Julia Stiles
-Angelina Jolie (possibly, did a good comedic turn in Mr & Mrs Smith, I thought)
What about the sistas? I’m sure Regina King and Wanda Skyes could MORE than hold their own if given the chance. Maybe even Gabrielle Union could come to play too. I’d even settle for Rosairo Dawson, even tho she’s just part black/Puerto Rican.
Black romantic comedies are virtually non-existent. Where is the love?
On another note, can we just KILL the fat schlub/hot girl combo for good? I’m so sick of tubby dudes telling girls with minor flab to lose a few pounds.
In what movie was Cary Grant a “slacker”? ‘Cause it wasn’t “The Philadelphia Story” and “Holiday”. He’s always had more class in his little finger then most everybody has in the whole body, regardless of the role.
>Finally, there’s gay romantic comedies — okay, there have hardly been any of those<
Obviously you haven't been in the gay/lesbian section of the video store lately. That is pretty much ALL that has been made lately, despite "Brokeback Mountain". See here:
http://www.afterelton.com/movies/2007/7/queercinema
-kch, http://moviedearest.blogspot.com/