It’s not like I was looking forward to seeing Madonna sing "Live to Tell" while mounted on a disco-mirrored crucifix anyway. Read the full post.
Oct 20
2006
03:48 PM ET
Madonna's crucifixion act won't 'Live to Tell' on NBC
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Well she would have been paid by NBC if the concert was shown on tv or not. So it wasn’t about the money at all.
Well she would have been paid by NBC if the concert was shown on tv or not. So it wasn’t about the money at all.
From my line of work, I know people who claim to be religious that swear, cheat on spouses, lie, steal, get high, need I say more.
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Therefore, NBC should air the “Live to Tell” segment the way it was performed, so that these Madonna haters can question their own merits.
To all Madonna fans, I have been hearing “Jump” on the radio
“It’s not like I was looking forward to seeing Madonna sing “Live to Tell” while mounted on a disco-mirrored crucifix anyway. Madge’s martyr complex may be the most tiresome element of her persona.”
Gary Susman, with the statement above, you prove how much of an idiot you really are. Thanks for showing once again why you work at Entertainment Weekly and not on an actual news media paper since you are a sorry excuse for a journalist. If you were a real journalist, you would at least have mentioned the message behind the crucifixion and what she hoped to accomplish by promoting real Christianity and it’s message of compassion, love and a cry for help for people whose lives are in a state you could never possibly understand. Voicing YOUR opinions instead of being objective, as a real journalist should be, shows anyone who visits this site and reads this thread, what a fraud you really are.
The excuses people make trying to “justify their love” for Madonna’s Live To Tell, a mediocre song at best, juxtaposed with a crucifixion imagery (complete with crown of thorns), is… just plain embarrassing for them. Don’t you know what a crucifixion signifies?!? It doesn’t signify “having a secret that’s she’s keeping inside of her and she’s conflicted about it.” Ummm… did Jesus have a secret that He kept inside of Him and He’s conflicted about it? Was Jesus crucified because His secret was literally putting Him up on the cross?
If only Madge would make sense with her imagery.
After reading all the comments, I can see both sides of the story on this. But I am leaning more to the first amendment side. I’m glad that they are showing her on TV, as she is a FAB performer-and her music is something I’ve grown up to-starting from the age of 10 until today. I agree that when it comes to TV, people have a choice-to watch or not to watch. Unfortunately, for those who might have wanted to see the concert in full…..we don’t have a choice.
Nick,
No one is trying to make excuses for Madonna’s decision to use the cross and perch herself on one to convey her message, however crass that may be. I think there are far worse things that others have done with the cross in the name of “Christianity” while doing something completely un-Christian. Tell me, how does it feel to have so many so called “faithful” use the cross to convey a message of hate, bigotry, discrimination, racism and exclusiveness? You don’t think it happens? I suggest you take a quick trip down to the bible belt and see for yourself. There are many baptist pastors who use the cross to divide and instigate hatred among their followers and other Christians. If the cross means so much to you, why aren’t you boycotting them? Do you approve of these pastors stripping every last cent from their followers while they live in extravagantly furnished homes and drive expensive cars? Do you approve of the cross as a tool to instigate hatred towards gays? Fred Phelps thinks that “God Hates Fags” and has written this on a cross at many demonstrations, is that OK with you?
Do you know what Christ’s messages were while on earth? Leaving Madonna aside, let’s assume it were another performer.. how is the message she was trying to convey against anything that Christ preached while giving the sermon on the mount?
I leave you with these quotes from Christ’s most powerful sermon about the lord’s prayer, the beatitudes, the warnings:
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.”
“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”
“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?”
“Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Many will say to Me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?” And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you. Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”
These can be found on the 5th, 6th and 7th chapters of the book of Matthew in their entirety.
I don’t mean to confront you and argue about Madonna but rather discourse with you regarding the hypocrisy displayed by so many “Christians” who are more concerned with one woman’s misguided use of the cross while completely overlooking her very Christian message of humanity, goodwill and charity.
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“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.
whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did to me.”
Nick: What the they are implying is that Madonna has taken her song Liv to Tell and made it relevant to the message she is sending in that particular segment, while on a cross. No one is saying that Jesus is saying the words to this song, just that it is a valid point. The screens behind the crossn and Madonna show images of poverty, war, etc and words from the bible (see Devin’s post below).
No one seems to know these facts unless they have seen the performance, especially those Christian groups, and now NBC are not going to show it in its entirety, which is a total cop out.
Ron:
EXACTLY! How many times have the subjects of rape and murder been used in cop, law, and medical shows? There is too much violence on television as it is and religious people have absolutely no problem with it being shown, but have a problem with nudity or some stupid stunt of Madonnas? That’s silly.
Devin…
If you want to complain about hypocrisy in religious circles, by all means, do so… but you should wait until EW does an online popwatch article about such. As it stands, the story here is about Madonna, and not about what you write of. Therefore, what I comment on pertains to the subject matter.
Your use of Bible quotes ignores the fuller context of the fact that just because somebody sins, or does something erroneous, does not give them a full blanket excuse to continue sinning/offending. Jesus confronted the adulterous woman and said, “does anybody condemn you?” She responded, “No, my Lord.” He responds, neither do I condemn you–GO and SIN NO MORE.” Had the adulterous continued, she would be guilty. But if she were truly penitent, she would not sin anymore.
As it stands, Madge will continue with her charade.
Shelby…
When NBC said they will not show Madge on the cross, that does not mean that the images behind her will not be shown. I guess that it will show those images, which will be cool, which you now freely admit is the better part of the performance, and not the ill-chosen offensive cross-theatrics, which do everything in its power to overshadow the real meaning of her message.
Peace all… you all gotta lighten up a little.
Nick,
With that response you show how narrow minded and biased you are. Regardless of what argument, reason or plea anyone makes, you have made your decision to judge Madonna no matter what. Who are you to judge her?
I hope God forgives you but just know that he will judge you with the same measures you are judging others.
Devin…
Take the plank out of your own eye before you administer it to others, (namely, me).
Coz, to you, the only terrible sin worth a confrontation is standing up against mockery. And you have yet to prove that it is not mockery.
But then you come out against me with the furor of a Robert Tilton on amphetamines. Maybe if you stop judging an entire religious denomination with your venom you would see that there’s some serious stupidity on Madge’s part.
Nick,
I’m not judging you for I’m sure there are far worse things I have done. The earlier comments on the first thread were co-related to Madonna’s decision to use a cross, even if her message was that one of peace, compassion and humanity which are at the core values of true Christianity. I simply asked if you felt as strongly about others who have also used the cross only to convey a completely different message and one of hatred and bigotry which are not part of the Christian dogma.
My second posting to you again was not judging you, I only pointed out you feel you can judge Madonna for her use of the cross without acknowledging her message while all the same not judging others who have done far worse. If someone using a cross to promote Christianity offends you, why are you not offended when someone uses the cross to promote hatred and discrimination?
One cannot pretend to be a righteous Christian and cherry pick who is or isn’t righteous or sinner because we are all sinners.
Devin,
There is a BIG difference between conveying a cross to promote Christianity, and mimicking the crucifixion in the most obsene manner. As awful as a charlaton preacher is, that preacher, or NO preacher, would ever dare put themselves on a disco cross, with crown of thorns intact. (Other people may have crucified other Christians like this in the past, but even Peter refused to be crucified in the same manner, prefering to be crucified upside down). The imagery is that holy to Christianity.
Two: Madge has long abandoned Christianity for Kabballah, a Jewish sect. Good for her. Thus, she is not “endorsing Christianity.”
Three: Just because I find holes in the argument that Madge is “promoting peace, love and harmony” does not mean I am judging her, any more than you trying to find holes in my argument. I sincerely believe (as most people in this thread) that Madge is simply using a shock tactic to create free publicity. That she does so under the guise of “promoting peace, love and harmony” is particularly insulting to those of my faith.
To “judge” somebody, is to say that person is going to hell if they do A, B, and C. I do not lay any such claim. But to criticize somebody, for insulting my faith, (even if others from the same faith do not feel insulted), is valid. NBC did right for removing the offensive imagery, but they would even improve upon Madge’s presentation if they kept it to those images that play behind her.
Because (remember, this is not judging), the song “Live to Tell”, the plea for peace, and a mock crucifixion on a disco cross–none of this makes logical sense. Even those who support the performance have yet to make logical heads or tails about it.
Christians may be getting upset over Madonna, but at least she isn’t molesting little kids like them catholic priests have been doing.